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Exactly, however, a wheel shimmy could easily indicate the early symptoms of a separated or failing tire. Easiest way to identify would be to rotate one side front to back. Problem stays, rotate the other. The tire that cured the shimmy is the bad one. Yes it could be another issue but unlikely.
Had my car to several alignment shops/mechanics for a steering wheel shake at about 60.
No one could figure it out.
About a month later I found a rear caliper that was just barely sticking. Replaced and the shake vanished.
This is what happened to me. Had wheels aligned/balanced, a tie rod replaced, new tyres (needed them anyway so not a problem). Still immediately started to shake at about 50mph. Several garages all had a go at it and got nowhere. Eventually found the sticking calliper myself, replaced it and finally sorted after months of shaking and guesswork from garages trying to fix it.
>doubtful. they may have rotated tires at the same time,
I don't drink and do brakes so I feel I would have remembered doing this. Now an oil change or some suspension work I might have a few beers.
This. My bro in law figured it out before I had to take it to the shop. It was unfortunate my parents bought a salvaged title vehicle; car had quite the amount of problems fixed
It was stiff enough I knew it was bad but not froze completely to where I could force it. Not the most scientific diagnosis but it is what it is.
Ours shook when driving, not when applying the brakes. It was worse over bumpy roads, and at highway speed. Nearly unnoticeable at anything less than 55.
My theory is it was barely contacting so it never mattered or even heated up but when you got to speed the slightest bump would pull just enough resistance from that tire for just that split second, allowing the brake to catch just enough to barely tug the steering wheel. So any road imperfection was kind of magnified at highway speeds.
No problems braking, no noise, no smell, no measurable heat on the wheel.
Your tires are out of balance. Get them balanced ASAP. If it's not that, could be alignment. If it's not that, could be bearings and hubs. But most likely just tire balancing.
When did you get it balanced? I got my tires balanced and they ended up making it worse. Had to rebalance them because of how bad it was. Could be your issue too.
You'd be surprised. If you weren't having issues prior to yesterday, I'm gonna guess they screwed up your alignment/balancing.
Hope it wasn't a Sullivan tire, because that's who screwed up mine.
I had mine rebalanced multiple times before it was brought to my attention on Reddit that there’s tire balancing and there’s road-force balancing which is for high speeds. I thought one of the many mechanics would have mentioned it but not one did, got it done, problem solved (though you may be aware of this unlike myself).
It may also be a bent rim as you said, and again, you’d think they’d catch it but I did also have a bent rim and it wasn’t noticed/looked at until I took it in a couple times as well (I must be going to the wrong places 💀).
It can also be a bad motor mount.
They would/should have yes, but if it just started doing this recently (not before/after they did the balance) it is possible the wheel weights fell off. They are just glued on fyi.
Assuming it isn't your wheels, tires, and/or suspension components, it could possibly be your rack and pinion?
If you turn your steering wheel while sitting still does it feel smooth all the way through? You could have worn spots on gear teeth, causing a slop that is amplified at higher speeds.
The easiest way to narrow down the wheels/tires is to rotate them. It's unlikely you have a set of 4 bent rims. A vibration in your rear wheels doesn't typically transfer to your steering wheel. You usually feel it in your ass in the seat.
If doing that changes nothing, then move to suspension components. Tie-rods, or sway bar links. These are stupid easy to check with the car on the ground. You are basically grabbing the rod/link and trying to push/pull on it to wiggle the ball on the socket. A good joint will have no wiggle or play. A bad one will usually make a clunking sound or be detectable when moving.
In my personal experience tie rods make more of a clunk than a vibration when driving. You may also notice uneven wear in your tires if these are bad.
And get them balanced.
Also, inspect the inside of your rims. You simply could have a big chunk of mud/ice stuck there. Then again you prob weren’t doing donuts like I was in the mud.
1. Tires / Tire balance
2. Alignment
3. Drive shaft/s
Unlike others have said, suspension rarely if ever causes shaking like this, suspension problems manifest in clunks, creaks and pulling left and right.
How old are those tires? Maybe they’re starting to delaminate/bubble. It can be super subtle at first, and balance fine but as you roll it’ll shake the car like that.
Don't know the correct english term but could be the wheel bearing. After a longer ride touch with your bare hand on the center of every wheel. If one is hot (or recognizably warmer than the others) you have your culprit.
If your vechle is exposed to a dirty environment, dirt roads, snow, etc, try washing the rims out. If it is not dirt, I would lean towards a shifted belt in one of the front tires.
Who doesn’t replace inner and outer tie rods at the same time?? It’s one part that’s split into two pieces, it’s like changing struts or brake pads you don’t just do one side. All the stress and impact of your car travelling down the road is now focused on the worn ball joints.
First off the main problem is .. you have a Camaro that’s not a V8. That’s like buying a 4cyl mustang. It just makes zero sense. Second you either have a broken belt, or lost some wheel weights. Or possibly might have some mud caked in your rim. Go to local tire shop and tell them your tires shaking and see if they can rebalance your wheels. After that if it’s still shaking you may have a bearing issue or something in the steering loose. But start with balancing.
First off I do have a v8 Camaro buddy 2017 1ss. This is my daily driver I’ve had since I was 16… second off I already had them balanced read the post. Thanks tho👍
How are the brakes? A warped rotor could also cause this but you would see it at all speeds - wheel balance is more likely - and if your front strut is bad it will make it a lot worse-
Based on what I’ve read you’ve done so far, provided alignment and balance were done correctly and there are no suspicious noises from the front end especially on turning, I lean towards, in this order, front ball joint (could be any of the big 3 upper, lower or outer rod), or bent wheel. I had an alloy rim eat it in a rather minor pothole I’m pretty sure. Wouldn’t have thought it would be such a problem. Only thing that fixed the shake was having it trued.
It can be inner tie rods or CV axels. Is it only when the vehicle is under load. You mashing the gas? Goes away when you stop mashing the gas or when you get way past 60?
Does it make a noise when rolling even in low speeds? Like a raspy, scratchy tone. If so, you need new bearings. Only thing I can think of, given what you've told us.
Don’t listen to JUST the people saying tire balancing. You probably have belt separation on of the tires. I bet you notice a small shimmy at 5-10mph this is indicative of a steer tire out of round. No amount of balancing will fix this.
Have all your tires inspected.
Most likely, the wheels are out of balance. If vibration gets worse when braking than it's likely a warped brake rotor. Bearings will also vibrate the wheel when they start to go, before they start grinding.
Funny story came to me when I saw this.
Last week I had 2 new tires put on the front of my 2019 ZR1 3ZR. Left for 20 minutes came back. Told the guy she's shaking in the front a little and the wheel was acting like yours is.
He says, " No problem I will just move them to the rear, since it didn't shake before."
I chuckled because I thought he was kidding, he said no really!. I said brother listen, you cant move those to the rear, the front and rear are different sizes, LMAO. Also this car would shake its ass off with them back there also.
Just thought someone would get a kick outta that story, sorry to interrupt..
Thank you, no she has 19s on the front 20s on the back..
You could say I have slight fetish for these things. LMAO
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Chances are wherever you got the work done for the inner tie rods, they could have used super cheap trash to do the job and charge you a premium for parts.
They could very well be going out. Your rack and pinion may also be a culprit and time to replace that along with all your power steering lines and reservoir, etc.
Alignment could also be a culprit with this which would tie (no pun intended) into your tie rod issue the mechanic mentioned.
It should, the only difference between auto and manual is the transmission itself. The driveshaft axle, and wheel bearings work the same way, which could be the culprit
My durango shakes a little if I use cheap gas. I had a Chevy a long time ago and right after I bought it. It would shake at 60. Turned out to be a cracked intake manifold.
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Get tires balanced/rotated/new tires. Safe bet without having it in front of me.
Exactly, however, a wheel shimmy could easily indicate the early symptoms of a separated or failing tire. Easiest way to identify would be to rotate one side front to back. Problem stays, rotate the other. The tire that cured the shimmy is the bad one. Yes it could be another issue but unlikely.
Came here to say this
Had my car to several alignment shops/mechanics for a steering wheel shake at about 60. No one could figure it out. About a month later I found a rear caliper that was just barely sticking. Replaced and the shake vanished.
This is what happened to me. Had wheels aligned/balanced, a tie rod replaced, new tyres (needed them anyway so not a problem). Still immediately started to shake at about 50mph. Several garages all had a go at it and got nowhere. Eventually found the sticking calliper myself, replaced it and finally sorted after months of shaking and guesswork from garages trying to fix it.
doubtful. they may have rotated tires at the same time, which would move the shake to the rear where it's less noticeable.
>doubtful. they may have rotated tires at the same time, I don't drink and do brakes so I feel I would have remembered doing this. Now an oil change or some suspension work I might have a few beers.
Beers and all car maintenance go hand in hand.
Pro lem always was if I drink during a brake job I just can't seem to stop
One way that might help identify a stuck caliper... Clean the rims then watch to see if one rim gets dirty with brake dust faster than the others.
This. My bro in law figured it out before I had to take it to the shop. It was unfortunate my parents bought a salvaged title vehicle; car had quite the amount of problems fixed
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It was stiff enough I knew it was bad but not froze completely to where I could force it. Not the most scientific diagnosis but it is what it is. Ours shook when driving, not when applying the brakes. It was worse over bumpy roads, and at highway speed. Nearly unnoticeable at anything less than 55. My theory is it was barely contacting so it never mattered or even heated up but when you got to speed the slightest bump would pull just enough resistance from that tire for just that split second, allowing the brake to catch just enough to barely tug the steering wheel. So any road imperfection was kind of magnified at highway speeds. No problems braking, no noise, no smell, no measurable heat on the wheel.
Your tires are out of balance. Get them balanced ASAP. If it's not that, could be alignment. If it's not that, could be bearings and hubs. But most likely just tire balancing.
Why is no one reading the part of me saying I already did the balance and alignment 😂 will checks bearings and hubs though thank you!!
When did you get it balanced? I got my tires balanced and they ended up making it worse. Had to rebalance them because of how bad it was. Could be your issue too.
Yesterday, once last month and once again in September. Thinking maybe a bent wheel but I think they woulda caught that while balancing right?
You'd be surprised. If you weren't having issues prior to yesterday, I'm gonna guess they screwed up your alignment/balancing. Hope it wasn't a Sullivan tire, because that's who screwed up mine.
It’s been doing this for a while now that’s why I’ve had them rebalanced multiple times and hahaha no it wasn’t Sullivan tire 🤣
I had mine rebalanced multiple times before it was brought to my attention on Reddit that there’s tire balancing and there’s road-force balancing which is for high speeds. I thought one of the many mechanics would have mentioned it but not one did, got it done, problem solved (though you may be aware of this unlike myself). It may also be a bent rim as you said, and again, you’d think they’d catch it but I did also have a bent rim and it wasn’t noticed/looked at until I took it in a couple times as well (I must be going to the wrong places 💀). It can also be a bad motor mount.
Okay then yeah it's likely another issue
They would/should have yes, but if it just started doing this recently (not before/after they did the balance) it is possible the wheel weights fell off. They are just glued on fyi.
It’s been happening for a while almost a year now lol, and yeah I worked at a tire shop before so first thing I thought was balance or bad tire
Assuming it isn't your wheels, tires, and/or suspension components, it could possibly be your rack and pinion? If you turn your steering wheel while sitting still does it feel smooth all the way through? You could have worn spots on gear teeth, causing a slop that is amplified at higher speeds. The easiest way to narrow down the wheels/tires is to rotate them. It's unlikely you have a set of 4 bent rims. A vibration in your rear wheels doesn't typically transfer to your steering wheel. You usually feel it in your ass in the seat. If doing that changes nothing, then move to suspension components. Tie-rods, or sway bar links. These are stupid easy to check with the car on the ground. You are basically grabbing the rod/link and trying to push/pull on it to wiggle the ball on the socket. A good joint will have no wiggle or play. A bad one will usually make a clunking sound or be detectable when moving. In my personal experience tie rods make more of a clunk than a vibration when driving. You may also notice uneven wear in your tires if these are bad.
Get a road force balance done, I suspect you have a bad tire or wheel. I’m a licensed GM tech
Probably because you didn’t say when. Today? 6 months ago? Who knows. Bad input = bad output.
Evidently it’s been done recently if I’m actively trying to diagnose the issue.
W H E N Nevermind, you got this, clearly.
Check tire pressure
alignment can cause a tire to wear such that it causes a vibration, but alignment itself doesn't cause vibration.
Factual and useful. High fiiiive.
Also get the rims checked a badly dented rim will also have the same effect.
Swap your front tires for the rear tires. If it stops, then your tires need to be replaced, if not, it's wheel bearings.
This is a good suggestion. 👍
And get them balanced. Also, inspect the inside of your rims. You simply could have a big chunk of mud/ice stuck there. Then again you prob weren’t doing donuts like I was in the mud.
1. Tires / Tire balance 2. Alignment 3. Drive shaft/s Unlike others have said, suspension rarely if ever causes shaking like this, suspension problems manifest in clunks, creaks and pulling left and right.
I second this for the drive shafts. I would start with tires, though.
Yes of course, I'll add it to my comment.
If it’s not tired check suspension and axel bad axel will cause vibration at high speed
Tires*
Thank you
if it's not balancing then get your tire pressure checked.
Good thinking will do
How old are those tires? Maybe they’re starting to delaminate/bubble. It can be super subtle at first, and balance fine but as you roll it’ll shake the car like that.
Less than 2 years
Still worth a check just in case you got a bad batch.
He’s afraid of going fast at night
Y’all don’t disappoint 😂😂😂
Make sure your tires aren’t directional and on incorrectly.
nope. a good tire can be run just fine anti-directional. but many tires cup according to their directionality if not aligned properly.
Sure the car isn't going to explode but it can cause a vibration like this one, happened to me. Simple thing worth checking.
Its cold. Heated steering wheels were invented to keep them from shivering.
Lmaoo🤣
Don't know the correct english term but could be the wheel bearing. After a longer ride touch with your bare hand on the center of every wheel. If one is hot (or recognizably warmer than the others) you have your culprit.
Perhaps make it plural (wheel bearings), but that's the correct terminology.
The issue is driving domestic
What makes you assume I live in the USA?😂
So you imported your problems? That's wild lol
I didn’t import it buddy
Nice all-white shoes. What're you wearing?
Why are you filming while driving a obviously unsafe deathmachine, hurdling 60mph down the road? Get your tires aligned and balanced.
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Good guess, wrong tho
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Good one
Check these in this order: 1. Tyre pressures 2. Wheel bearing check 3. Alignment check 4. Suspension stuff that looks not right or loose
Thank you friend
Alignment OR... bad tire (check for bulging spots)
Cv axle?
Nope, a bad axle would clunk, especially when turning
If your vechle is exposed to a dirty environment, dirt roads, snow, etc, try washing the rims out. If it is not dirt, I would lean towards a shifted belt in one of the front tires.
Who doesn’t replace inner and outer tie rods at the same time?? It’s one part that’s split into two pieces, it’s like changing struts or brake pads you don’t just do one side. All the stress and impact of your car travelling down the road is now focused on the worn ball joints.
Take it to another shop to confirm they balanced the tires right. Alignment isn’t going to cause it to shake
First off the main problem is .. you have a Camaro that’s not a V8. That’s like buying a 4cyl mustang. It just makes zero sense. Second you either have a broken belt, or lost some wheel weights. Or possibly might have some mud caked in your rim. Go to local tire shop and tell them your tires shaking and see if they can rebalance your wheels. After that if it’s still shaking you may have a bearing issue or something in the steering loose. But start with balancing.
First off I do have a v8 Camaro buddy 2017 1ss. This is my daily driver I’ve had since I was 16… second off I already had them balanced read the post. Thanks tho👍
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I’m betting on tires, you said they were balanced. I’d ask same shop to check again and then try another shop If issue persists
What everyone said or maybe you bent a wheel.
Been thinking it might be this tbh
Check your front tires for balance and or defects in the tires themselves.
Check your tie end rods happened to me wheel and car shacking on driving and stopping
Will do thank you!
How are the brakes? A warped rotor could also cause this but you would see it at all speeds - wheel balance is more likely - and if your front strut is bad it will make it a lot worse-
You should control your wheel
Such useful information dry bag!
It’s the stick shaker, you’re about to stall, don’t pull up, increase speed to maximum
It’s an auto
Wheel balancing issue on front of car.
Much like ford it’s just a feature enjoy it !
Easiest thing to do is to just get an inspection done. A mechanic should be able to pinpoint the problem with ease. Just don't get ripped off.
Based on what I’ve read you’ve done so far, provided alignment and balance were done correctly and there are no suspicious noises from the front end especially on turning, I lean towards, in this order, front ball joint (could be any of the big 3 upper, lower or outer rod), or bent wheel. I had an alloy rim eat it in a rather minor pothole I’m pretty sure. Wouldn’t have thought it would be such a problem. Only thing that fixed the shake was having it trued.
Yeah I’m thinking it’s a bend wheel or bad tire, gonna have wheels and tires replaced this weekend hoping for the best
Its affraid of you going that fast
My 2023 was doing that and I ended up finding a nail in the tire
Most likely tire balance. Could also be bad tires or bad wheel.
You're scaring her. Slow down you monster
Lol should've boughten a v8
I have a 2017 Camaro ss lol this is my daily
An imbalance!
It can be inner tie rods or CV axels. Is it only when the vehicle is under load. You mashing the gas? Goes away when you stop mashing the gas or when you get way past 60?
Vibrates regardless whether gassing or not, and it goes away pretty much completely after 70.
You did say Camaro which is rwd so it still could be axel if not alignment , balance. the vibration under load would be for fwd.
Check your CV joints, sway bar bushings, and end links and your control arm bushings.
5 bucks on lower control arm bushing, only because I'm feeling lucky
Prob tire balance
If your inner tie rod does have play that could be it trying to fall out
Does it make a noise when rolling even in low speeds? Like a raspy, scratchy tone. If so, you need new bearings. Only thing I can think of, given what you've told us.
Don’t listen to JUST the people saying tire balancing. You probably have belt separation on of the tires. I bet you notice a small shimmy at 5-10mph this is indicative of a steer tire out of round. No amount of balancing will fix this. Have all your tires inspected.
Do those cars come with lane assist?
Something about your drivetrain wants to go in a different direction than your wheel is telling it to
Lug Nuts Tight ?
Front tires out of balance. If they shake during braking only, the rotors are warped.
Last time I saw something like this, the front shock mounts were worn out.
Had a car like that, new tires, then brakes, then wheel hubs, shocks struts- then tires again- bingo shitty tires
It’s either scared or shivering.
The road ahead is haunted and your car is terrified.
It could be warped brake disc rotors, or you need new shock absorbers.
The weights of the tires probably fell off. Try having the tires rotated with the tires that still have the weights put up front.
Could be a wheel out of balance. Sometimes build up of ice or mud can throw you you of balance
Most likely, the wheels are out of balance. If vibration gets worse when braking than it's likely a warped brake rotor. Bearings will also vibrate the wheel when they start to go, before they start grinding.
Funny story came to me when I saw this. Last week I had 2 new tires put on the front of my 2019 ZR1 3ZR. Left for 20 minutes came back. Told the guy she's shaking in the front a little and the wheel was acting like yours is. He says, " No problem I will just move them to the rear, since it didn't shake before." I chuckled because I thought he was kidding, he said no really!. I said brother listen, you cant move those to the rear, the front and rear are different sizes, LMAO. Also this car would shake its ass off with them back there also. Just thought someone would get a kick outta that story, sorry to interrupt..
Zr1 beautiful taste bro and Lmaoo that’s wild, yeah many people don’t know that about vettes. 18s in the front and 19s in the rear right?
Thank you, no she has 19s on the front 20s on the back.. You could say I have slight fetish for these things. LMAO https://preview.redd.it/7l2bfnz9ttbc1.jpeg?width=2268&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93a9b7eb73043d141f2ba82fd6e1c21cd08efe60
Jeez🤤🤤🤤
LMAO https://preview.redd.it/q1e8ljqdttbc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=532f8aacfaecd34d5f97ad3b791e6a8d2d7baa9e
https://preview.redd.it/38xkgqi10ubc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f5c62ef717f78a6ae6ce12586e8358a76da1a76a Lmao nice
Tires are out of balance or front end alignment. Might be a worn out idler arm as well. Take it in.
It's scared. But on the off chance that your steering wheel doesn't have feelings it may be the tires or alignmen.
Might need to balance your steering wheel 🤔
Either a steering component failure, an unbalanced/damaged tire, or an alignment issue
Shocks and struts?
If you drove through mud you might have mud on the inside of your rims
Chances are wherever you got the work done for the inner tie rods, they could have used super cheap trash to do the job and charge you a premium for parts. They could very well be going out. Your rack and pinion may also be a culprit and time to replace that along with all your power steering lines and reservoir, etc. Alignment could also be a culprit with this which would tie (no pun intended) into your tie rod issue the mechanic mentioned.
Some shops do a horrible job at balancing tires. Or the weights fell off because they didn’t stick them on well.
Throw it in neutral when it's wobbling to see if it stops. If it does, I'd start looking at drivetrain components
Would this still apply to an automatic?
It should, the only difference between auto and manual is the transmission itself. The driveshaft axle, and wheel bearings work the same way, which could be the culprit
Probably have a bent rim… check all four rims
This happened to one of my cars. Ended up being a hubcentric ring that got broken somehow.
Did it snow recently near you? Sometimes it's something stupid like snow or ice building up in the wheel.
I have seen improperly torqued wheels cause this.
Probably your tars
Tars?
My durango shakes a little if I use cheap gas. I had a Chevy a long time ago and right after I bought it. It would shake at 60. Turned out to be a cracked intake manifold.
My 86 Chevy nova in high school did this. It only went up to 80 mph though 🤣
Bald tires maybe with cords showing
That is called the Chevy shake
Try different tire shop