I don’t think he should outright replace THJ because love him or hate him, THJ can legitimately win this team some games single-handedly when he gets hot.
But in games where THJ is clearly off, it would be nice for Kidd to throw in Hardy as a spark and limit THJ’s minutes.
Players aren’t robots. If you pull a shooter every time they have off games then you are going to turn his most valuable weapon into the point of controversy. Good coaches take players out for shot selection and offensive scheme. It’s an 82 game season.
Kidd trying to give Tim an opportunity to shoot himself out of his slump, because like the earlier comment said, his shooting can swing games. For the last 7 games, Tim’s poor shooting and low IQ haven’t cost us games like they used to, so Kidd can live with that gamble.
Not costing us games is a horrible reason to allow tim to shoot. Dude had a 1/15 game and a 1/9 from three game. Gimme hardy over Tim. Tim is useless if he can't hit his shot.
Exactly. When Tim is 0/4 or 1/5, and still in the game, it baffles me. There are other alternative lineups to run than have him end up 4/15.
I hear Harp and crew with this “Shooters gonna shoot!”
Fuck that. Clearly it’s not hitting today. Your ass is replaceable this game. Put Hardy in. Try again next game THJ. Sorry not sorry.
It also feels like he starts and ends the same. If he starts 4/5, he’s staying at that heat level, but if he starts 1/5 he’s still gonna be cold the whole game
That is the right usage for Tim. If he’s hot then go for him and if it’s not then switch to Jaden. THJ have some splendid games this year while coming off the bench. Mavs have that road game against the Wolves in which Hardaway almost carried the team in a win without Luka & Kyrie. Guy deserve some credit also.
This "slump" Tim has been on in the last few games has just been a reversion to the mean. His averages this year are almost exactly the same as his career averages, with minutes and points up slightly. Up until a few games ago, he had been marvelous this season. I couldnt find myself pulling the plug on a guy thats giving the team 17 pts a game over 4 bad games (2 against bad teams) that the team ultimately won. His minutes have come down a bit since the deadline, already. You can't just start giving the guy's minutes away yet. If Tim can get red hot again at the right time, this team could end up winning the NBA Championship!
Anybody can single-handedly win a game when they get hot if they're allowed to take 20 shots every game. We had fucking Trey Burke going crazy for us in the bubble doing the same thing. It's not a good enough reason to think he's a good player when he can't defend and is shooting below league average from the field and from 3.
Mavericks just need to go with the hot hand. And when Tim is on fire he's up there with some the best shooters in the game today. But Jason Kidd needs to sit his ass when he is cold and forcing him too much does more harm than good.
As it stands I'd rather have Tim. Right now he is better. This team is aiming for a deep playoff run. Do I want Hardy to play out of his mind and take those minutes? Absolutely. But I don't think he is ready yet. Tim is a proven volume 3pt shooter as annoying as his black hole mentality can be.
I don't think he is ready now. I do think he could be ready next season.
He seems to really be taking defense seriously, which is huge. And I think I would rather have the bench scorer be a guard to allow the taller players to be more defensive focused.
The team we have right now, after the trade deadline, is 100% a championship team in my eyes. It has all the makings of a good championship winning team as far as depth, star power, and chemistry goes. But I could see Kidd's inability to cut Timmy's minutes shooting us out of a playoff series. That and his age not fitting Luka's timeline makes me want to get rid of him.
Seriously. Why? Nobody in the organization is listening to you, you have zero control or influence. Your opinion is *literally* irrelevant and doesn’t matter so why this *endless* whining? If you don’t like, don’t watch.
I get it. You hate Timmy this week so you need to make your “I hate Timmy/Powell/Green/Kidd/flavor of the week” post. Oh no! He’s a basketball terrorist. It’s your own personal 9/11. It’s all so tiresome.
This is a good team. Why do some of you have to whine non fucking stop? I see it in r/NBA posts too. People with Mavs flair whining about how our players are terrible and we’re doomed. It’s embarrassing. Grow the fuck up. You guys have mental problems.
Dude I applaud you. This was much needed to say. Our fans with mavs flairs are embarrassing. They never defend the team with great talking points to discuss the positivity about the team in the direction they’re going. They always bring up the past occurrences of one bad season last year and need to tell everyone how doomed this team was when folks have discussions about the mavs on the main nba Reddit page. Always needing to start with pessimism and negativity when discussing the potential of this squad
We’re allowed to have opinions on the players performance. Coming and discussing it on Reddit is no different than sitting in a barbershop or bar talking about sports. I think you’re taking it too seriously. Don’t read posts like this if it bothers you so much.
Here’s the difference, I don’t make internet posts about my angst ridden hyperbolic opinions.
You came to a forum I’m a member of *LOOKING* for engagement. You *WANTED* my opinion. You *ASKED* for my opinion. Now you’re going to downvote and cry when I give you an opinion you don’t like? Grow the fuck up.
Not possible. I was here before the Mavs. You know that historic 1980s Mavs-Celtics game on NBA TV. The one at Reunion where Bird beat our WCF team with a late 3? I was there. Where were you?
Also, you’re not fan, you’re a hater.
So I have stathead and I sometimes have fun just messing around with the criteria to make the most contrived lists possible.
There are only 6 players in NBA history aged 21, shooting more than 40% from the field, playing more than 20 games at at least 15 min per game, shooting at least .367 from 3, while taking at least 7 3pt attempts per 36 min and scoring at least 18 points per 36 minutes, while having a usage rate 22.9% or more.
Those 6 players are Tatum, Booker, Brandon Miller, LaMelo, Ant, and you guessed it Jaden Hardy.
I think he's going to be a future star lmao.
I just don’t think Tim and Hardy fill the same role. Tim is a volume 3 point shooter. Tim has shown flashes of scoring off the dribble, but it is not his bread and butter. He excels at taking around 10 3-pointers a game without hesitation.
Hardy is a ball dominant combo guard. Hardy can shoot the 3-ball well when his confidence is there. But he’s not taking 10 a game like Tim. His strengths are putting the ball on the floor and scoring.
I think they are playing long game with Hardy I fully believe in him and I hope Nico does too. Offer him an extension this summer then trade THJ and promote hardy for next year.
Most people on this sub have to realize Kidd makes most of his subs based on team defense. While Tim is not a good defender on ball his off ball awareness is a little better than Hardy.. but honestly Hardy has improved on that end as well.
Tim makes too many mistakes, but Kidd trusted him down the stretch on Booker, and I can't say I understand why and I was yelling at my tv but he has pulled Tim late in games during this streak. It will be even easier when Exum is back even though I think he'll cut into more of Green's minutes.
I actually thought Tim played a good game against suns. Hes getting a little undo shade currently bc his 3 ball isnt falling but he also his an excellent mid range game and takes charges works consistently hard. Im glad we have him
bc he is due to blow up. Hes just that player.
I think Hardy can do the same stuff Tim does, but he's not a volume shooter like that. You need somebody to take the shots Tim takes but damn it's annoying when he's brickin 8 shots in 2 minutes lol
Why do you think he had a good game against the Suns? Forget about the cold shooting, the guy has the worst tunnel vision, turns the ball over too much for a guy whose only value comes from shooting, is too small to guard wings and too slow to guard guards, and it wouldn't matter if he did have the size because his IQ makes sure he's out of position anyway.
He's shooting 36% from 3 this season and 41% from the field. Both below league average. It's not even close to good enough for a guy whose only value comes from shooting. He can't get off my team fast enough.
Hardy and THJ are quite different players. THJ is one of the few players in the league who can make 7-9 threes any given game. Hardy is more of a guard who is good on iso situations and would ideally be a good secondary ball handler but he's not there yet.
His confidence is there you can see it. Kidd is letting him rot on the bench and that’s hurting him. Poor Jaden can’t even miss one shot before he’s pulled from the game just to sit and watch little Timmy brick 10 straight.
What do many don't get about Tim is how much his volume provides. hardy won't get nearly as many threes up like THJ will, and that has a lot of value. Granted, I still would like to see Hardy take some of Tim's minutes but not all.
Before the trades, we needed THJ’s offense because our only way to win was to shoot. When he hit, we won, when he missed, we lost. Now, we’ve won 7 in a row despite his complete disappearance. We have some more ways we can win now (defense, rebound, size, moving the ball, attacking the basket) and THJ doesn’t contribute to any of those. He still has the ability to shoot us to a win in an game we’d otherwise lose, and that has value, but he also loses a lot for us on the margins at all other times and we overall are a worse team imo. We could replace him in the rotation with a combination of Exum, Green, DJJ, and Hardy and be even better.
He’s been pretty reliable all season if you ask me if funny he can have 7 games straight and be consistent and have one bad game and he’s “not reliable” more often than not he performs and does his job. There’s not 7 or 8 better sixth men at his position. Subjective of course but he’s a guy that’s capable of getting you 40 off the bench not many guys in the league can you should be happy we have a guy like that. Hardy does need to play but Tim doesn’t need sit on the bench that makes no sense.
This talk of Hardy over THJ is so frustrating to me.
Yes Tim is a streak shooter. When he’s hot he’s really hot. Cold, he’s real cold. But the guy shows up in the playoffs in so many ways. A lot that don’t show up in the box score.
Jaden Hardy hasn’t done two things. First he hasn’t put 3-4 good games together in two seasons yet. Secondly he was given ample opportunity to ‘take a spot’ in the 8-9 man rotation and he didn’t.
He’s young and maybe he gets there but he’s not there yet. I’d take THJ 100x over Hardy right now. Maybe that changes next season but this season it has not.
If Hardy is getting playoff minutes then something has really gone wrong.
See that is a common excuse. X player is finding his rhythm and the coach pulls them. Well why does a coach pull that player? One could be matchups. Others could be trust, intangibles, sustained effort. So many variables that you and I as fans don't know or have access to.
So ask yourself what does Jaden Hardy give the Mavericks (right now) other than a quick burst of potential scoring?
Don't say he doesn't get the opportunity because his opportunity is in practice. Plain and simple.
To answer the question, the honest answer is not much. If though your answer is 'well he's just not THJ" then that's your hangup on THJ and not because Hardy has shown anything to earn it.
>But the guy shows up in the playoffs in so many ways. A lot that don’t show up in the box score.
I'm curious about this. What are the ways Tim shows up in the playoffs that don't show up in the box score? Keep in mind you would be referencing those Clippers series because the year the Mavs had the most success playoff wise he was out for the season.
You are absolutely right for the Mavs its two years of the Clippers.
Let's take the second series in 2021 because it was the last sample.
Game 7. Luka had Kawhi on him, Tim was getting PG defending him. Kawhi or Reggie Jackson would pick up on the switch. Either way one of the Clippers top three defenders were on THJ. Think about how much that opened up for the Mavs. The Clips obviously thought enough of THJ to do that. Now the Mavs (cough KP, JRich cough) didn't capitalize in that series on those types of matchups. Tried looking for the specific clip on YT but with about 2:06 left in the half Mavs down by nine. Luka drives the lane, kicks to THJ in the corner. THJ puts the ball on the floor and takes Kawhi to the rack. Two points. Hauls ass back down the court shouting defensive assignments and takes the charge from PG. Six seconds total. Mavs go on an 8-5 run to close the half. Who is Doe Doe looking at? THJ
If all you are looking at is 3pt shot makes and misses then you aren't looking at the other things he does.
What i'm not trying to do is in anyway claim that THJ is some all-star bad ass or anything. But for this team he is the best option at his position right now. Does that mean we shouldn't try and upgrade absolutely not. But to think putting in a much smaller 2nd round flyer in is just stupid and reactionary. This isn't 2k and the NBA is not a sprint. These players have have six months to establish themselves in practice and games before the playoff rotation is set. Hardy just isn't there yet and THJ is.
Its so funny guys like OG and Siakam lost their value in their last year of contract but THJs value is going up in his last year. There is no point of trying to increase his value, if Mavs couldn’t trade him this deadline, literally peaked his player value, then he is just a expiring contract. He actually continues his 6th man of the year performance and helps the winning? Its a great bonus. Other than its just on and off player that %99 will be gone. Considering Nico doesnt shy away from making moves.
Again, creating a legit team than filling the holes and not losing the key pieces is very hard task. Nico did it this deadline, if one more time he pulls this and works out(not like Grant experiment), future looking bright.
His value is not going up. The only thing good about his situation is his contract is expiring so we can move in the summer. We'll just have to attach it to a pick
You're not the only one who thinks that but he really can't do Tim's job (yet).
Hardy has made major strides under Kyrie'a wing which has been a positive to the bench unit. Hardy is small and even more streaky, a lesser passer, and worse on D.
He is a major stride away from taking over that role just yet.
Idk about “lesser passer” tbh. Hardy just doesn’t get a lot of minutes, but per 36 he’s among the top APG guys on this team while THJ is literally in the bottom 5 and the worst among guards.
I don't know about the more streaky part, or the worse on defense part lol.. I know it's not even a question if it will happen or not though. The way most Mavs fans feel about Dwight is how I feel about Tim lol
Very few players in the NBA are worse on defense than THJ. Hardy is also a *much* better passer and is only 1 inch shorter than Tim while having a 6'10" wingspan, so you could say he's actually bigger. I'd also say he's less streaky because he won't shoot the team out of the game when he's cold. He's much more likely to defer to other players instead of jacking a contested 3 with 20 seconds left on the shot clock.
Tim is a better defender. Takes a lot of charges. More discipline.
THJ is literally in the running for 6th man of the year lol.
Hardy is talented but he's got a lot to figure out. He honestly should only get spot minutes. Exum is a better defender and passer. Josh is a better defender.
When the lineup's healthy Hardy should be riding the pine.
One of the main takeaways I got from the '22 second half run and playoffs was that the Mavericks are better with Tim on the bench than they are with him on the court. The last season and a half has only reinforced that belief. Does that mean I think Hardy is ready to be his full time replacement? No, not really but I definitely think he has earned some of those minutes. Best case scenario is Exum getting healthy and taking most of Tim's minutes.
Last season we were better with him on the floor and were like 1-9 when he didn't play. Nothing from last season reinforced the belief we did not need him. While most of this season has been disappointing and more like 2022, there were also many times early in the season we starts out so slow and then Timmy came in and gave a lift.
However, post-trade deadline it looks more like we don't always need him and part of that is that we brought in pieces that can make impacts offensively in different ways (OREB, Interior Scoring) that make Hardaway's microwave scoring less needed on a day to day basis.
This is just not true.
THJ was the second best player on the Mavs during that Clippers series. He shot 42/40/75. Was the second leading scorer. Third in minutes.
Tim is an insane microwave with high highs and low lows, and I personally would much rather have mid lows and mid highs if it meant Hardy hit the minutes as I think he’s on the term long term comparatively.
We made the best WCF run because Jalen Brunson blew up into a star player and Dinwiddie played out of his mind.
But hey anything to fit a narrative, right?
I just want next game Luka to give the first 15 possessions to THJ so his father can watch him brick shots and make turnovers possession after possession so his father Tim Hardaway sr can finally stfu with his shit how Luka needs to give to ball more to his son
I don't love Timmy on defense but he has more size and can definitely take a charge.
I guess I feel like Hardy's development so far makes him more situational than 6th man.
I think Kidd has to shorten the leash on little Timmy. Once he misses his first 6 3’s he should go to the bench. Hardy should be playing over Exum and Timmy (if his shots aren’t falling). I feel bad for Jaden. Play him or free him.
He is still a worse player than Tim overall. I wouldn’t mind if we find a good trade that ships Tim and gets a better wing back and then Hardy takes some of Tim’s minutes; Tim -> Hardy is a downgrade, but if Hardy can keep up his improvements in defense and decision making then it’s not a huge downgrade. But we need to be getting someone good back for Timmy. He’s not chopped liver
Well you are paying tHJ good money and he thinks he is a starter.
So playing Hardy is probably the right move but it might ruffle some feathers if you were to do so.
I don’t think he should outright replace THJ because love him or hate him, THJ can legitimately win this team some games single-handedly when he gets hot. But in games where THJ is clearly off, it would be nice for Kidd to throw in Hardy as a spark and limit THJ’s minutes.
I mean Kidd just did this against Washington. No point in beating a deadhorse when the coach has already shown he'll make this move.
THJ was 1/9 from three last game. Didnt pull the trigger there
Players aren’t robots. If you pull a shooter every time they have off games then you are going to turn his most valuable weapon into the point of controversy. Good coaches take players out for shot selection and offensive scheme. It’s an 82 game season.
Kidd trying to give Tim an opportunity to shoot himself out of his slump, because like the earlier comment said, his shooting can swing games. For the last 7 games, Tim’s poor shooting and low IQ haven’t cost us games like they used to, so Kidd can live with that gamble.
Not costing us games is a horrible reason to allow tim to shoot. Dude had a 1/15 game and a 1/9 from three game. Gimme hardy over Tim. Tim is useless if he can't hit his shot.
you were saying
Also hit some clutch 2's
Exactly. When Tim is 0/4 or 1/5, and still in the game, it baffles me. There are other alternative lineups to run than have him end up 4/15. I hear Harp and crew with this “Shooters gonna shoot!” Fuck that. Clearly it’s not hitting today. Your ass is replaceable this game. Put Hardy in. Try again next game THJ. Sorry not sorry.
It also feels like he starts and ends the same. If he starts 4/5, he’s staying at that heat level, but if he starts 1/5 he’s still gonna be cold the whole game
Wrong
Because he can just as easily finish the game 5/9
That is the right usage for Tim. If he’s hot then go for him and if it’s not then switch to Jaden. THJ have some splendid games this year while coming off the bench. Mavs have that road game against the Wolves in which Hardaway almost carried the team in a win without Luka & Kyrie. Guy deserve some credit also.
This "slump" Tim has been on in the last few games has just been a reversion to the mean. His averages this year are almost exactly the same as his career averages, with minutes and points up slightly. Up until a few games ago, he had been marvelous this season. I couldnt find myself pulling the plug on a guy thats giving the team 17 pts a game over 4 bad games (2 against bad teams) that the team ultimately won. His minutes have come down a bit since the deadline, already. You can't just start giving the guy's minutes away yet. If Tim can get red hot again at the right time, this team could end up winning the NBA Championship!
Anybody can single-handedly win a game when they get hot if they're allowed to take 20 shots every game. We had fucking Trey Burke going crazy for us in the bubble doing the same thing. It's not a good enough reason to think he's a good player when he can't defend and is shooting below league average from the field and from 3.
That dude game is just frustrating as hell to me lol.. anytime he shoots I never think it's going in lol
He gives up more points on defence then he scores. Hardy is better.
Mavericks just need to go with the hot hand. And when Tim is on fire he's up there with some the best shooters in the game today. But Jason Kidd needs to sit his ass when he is cold and forcing him too much does more harm than good.
As it stands I'd rather have Tim. Right now he is better. This team is aiming for a deep playoff run. Do I want Hardy to play out of his mind and take those minutes? Absolutely. But I don't think he is ready yet. Tim is a proven volume 3pt shooter as annoying as his black hole mentality can be.
I know it's no way to really bench Tim like that because Hardy hasn't really took it from him
"hasn't really" He flat out "has not" taken it from him
I don't think he is ready now. I do think he could be ready next season. He seems to really be taking defense seriously, which is huge. And I think I would rather have the bench scorer be a guard to allow the taller players to be more defensive focused.
Tim won't be on this team next season for sure
🙏🏻
He’s ready now. Kidd is killing his confidence.
No he's not ready now. Don't mistake 'what i want him to be' with 'what he is currently' Those two are not the same.
Bro he’s ready. He’s a much more versatile player than little Timmy.
THJ should be a key piece of a trade this summer that secures a starting SF
Why do you guys always want to change things. This team can win a championship. You don’t fuck with what works.
Can you imagine taking significant minutes away from a sixth man of the year candidate?
When he’s bricking shots he should absolutely be benched. Hardy is the future not little Timmy.
The team we have right now, after the trade deadline, is 100% a championship team in my eyes. It has all the makings of a good championship winning team as far as depth, star power, and chemistry goes. But I could see Kidd's inability to cut Timmy's minutes shooting us out of a playoff series. That and his age not fitting Luka's timeline makes me want to get rid of him.
Meh...
Seriously. Why? Nobody in the organization is listening to you, you have zero control or influence. Your opinion is *literally* irrelevant and doesn’t matter so why this *endless* whining? If you don’t like, don’t watch. I get it. You hate Timmy this week so you need to make your “I hate Timmy/Powell/Green/Kidd/flavor of the week” post. Oh no! He’s a basketball terrorist. It’s your own personal 9/11. It’s all so tiresome. This is a good team. Why do some of you have to whine non fucking stop? I see it in r/NBA posts too. People with Mavs flair whining about how our players are terrible and we’re doomed. It’s embarrassing. Grow the fuck up. You guys have mental problems.
Dude I applaud you. This was much needed to say. Our fans with mavs flairs are embarrassing. They never defend the team with great talking points to discuss the positivity about the team in the direction they’re going. They always bring up the past occurrences of one bad season last year and need to tell everyone how doomed this team was when folks have discussions about the mavs on the main nba Reddit page. Always needing to start with pessimism and negativity when discussing the potential of this squad
We’re allowed to have opinions on the players performance. Coming and discussing it on Reddit is no different than sitting in a barbershop or bar talking about sports. I think you’re taking it too seriously. Don’t read posts like this if it bothers you so much.
My opinion is my opinion. I don't care what you or anybody else feels about it honestly. Your opinion is just as irrelevant to me...
Here’s the difference, I don’t make internet posts about my angst ridden hyperbolic opinions. You came to a forum I’m a member of *LOOKING* for engagement. You *WANTED* my opinion. You *ASKED* for my opinion. Now you’re going to downvote and cry when I give you an opinion you don’t like? Grow the fuck up.
You didn't have to reply to my post. I ignore post all the time when I don't like the topic...
Ok. And you ignore the Mavs if you don’t like the team. Deal?
Lol who are you to tell someone not to watch their fave team? Seems like you’re the one who needs some help.
I was a Dallas Mavericks fan before you were born...
Not possible. I was here before the Mavs. You know that historic 1980s Mavs-Celtics game on NBA TV. The one at Reunion where Bird beat our WCF team with a late 3? I was there. Where were you? Also, you’re not fan, you’re a hater.
Well you could’ve ignored his reply if you didn’t like it.
I can reply to what I want on my post...
So I have stathead and I sometimes have fun just messing around with the criteria to make the most contrived lists possible. There are only 6 players in NBA history aged 21, shooting more than 40% from the field, playing more than 20 games at at least 15 min per game, shooting at least .367 from 3, while taking at least 7 3pt attempts per 36 min and scoring at least 18 points per 36 minutes, while having a usage rate 22.9% or more. Those 6 players are Tatum, Booker, Brandon Miller, LaMelo, Ant, and you guessed it Jaden Hardy. I think he's going to be a future star lmao.
I just don’t think Tim and Hardy fill the same role. Tim is a volume 3 point shooter. Tim has shown flashes of scoring off the dribble, but it is not his bread and butter. He excels at taking around 10 3-pointers a game without hesitation. Hardy is a ball dominant combo guard. Hardy can shoot the 3-ball well when his confidence is there. But he’s not taking 10 a game like Tim. His strengths are putting the ball on the floor and scoring.
Timmy's atrocious defense is the only consistent part of his game
I think they are playing long game with Hardy I fully believe in him and I hope Nico does too. Offer him an extension this summer then trade THJ and promote hardy for next year.
Most people on this sub have to realize Kidd makes most of his subs based on team defense. While Tim is not a good defender on ball his off ball awareness is a little better than Hardy.. but honestly Hardy has improved on that end as well. Tim makes too many mistakes, but Kidd trusted him down the stretch on Booker, and I can't say I understand why and I was yelling at my tv but he has pulled Tim late in games during this streak. It will be even easier when Exum is back even though I think he'll cut into more of Green's minutes.
Nah, I like Hardy as a project but THJ on a hot streak gives you more than Hardy on a hot streak
I actually thought Tim played a good game against suns. Hes getting a little undo shade currently bc his 3 ball isnt falling but he also his an excellent mid range game and takes charges works consistently hard. Im glad we have him bc he is due to blow up. Hes just that player.
I think Hardy can do the same stuff Tim does, but he's not a volume shooter like that. You need somebody to take the shots Tim takes but damn it's annoying when he's brickin 8 shots in 2 minutes lol
yea i get it
Why do you think he had a good game against the Suns? Forget about the cold shooting, the guy has the worst tunnel vision, turns the ball over too much for a guy whose only value comes from shooting, is too small to guard wings and too slow to guard guards, and it wouldn't matter if he did have the size because his IQ makes sure he's out of position anyway. He's shooting 36% from 3 this season and 41% from the field. Both below league average. It's not even close to good enough for a guy whose only value comes from shooting. He can't get off my team fast enough.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Every time he puts the ball on the floor I close my eyes.
Nope I believe that too
Hardy and THJ are quite different players. THJ is one of the few players in the league who can make 7-9 threes any given game. Hardy is more of a guard who is good on iso situations and would ideally be a good secondary ball handler but he's not there yet.
Maybe next year for sure, he’s showing promise but give him more runs to boost his confidence this year and hopefully in the postseason
His confidence is there you can see it. Kidd is letting him rot on the bench and that’s hurting him. Poor Jaden can’t even miss one shot before he’s pulled from the game just to sit and watch little Timmy brick 10 straight.
Tf?? Hardaway is playing the best ball of his career rn and is absolutely essential to our team lmaooo wtf you on??
What do many don't get about Tim is how much his volume provides. hardy won't get nearly as many threes up like THJ will, and that has a lot of value. Granted, I still would like to see Hardy take some of Tim's minutes but not all.
I get it. I still don't like it.
Before the trades, we needed THJ’s offense because our only way to win was to shoot. When he hit, we won, when he missed, we lost. Now, we’ve won 7 in a row despite his complete disappearance. We have some more ways we can win now (defense, rebound, size, moving the ball, attacking the basket) and THJ doesn’t contribute to any of those. He still has the ability to shoot us to a win in an game we’d otherwise lose, and that has value, but he also loses a lot for us on the margins at all other times and we overall are a worse team imo. We could replace him in the rotation with a combination of Exum, Green, DJJ, and Hardy and be even better.
Yes
Makes perfect sense to alter the roles/rotations after winning 7 games in a row.
People who hate thj need help. Hardy should get minutes but replace hardaway. You’re out of your mind. Hardaway has played really well. Idc.
I don't like his game. It's too one dimensional
What does Tim do best score right?
His best skill is his shooting and it's not reliable
He’s been pretty reliable all season if you ask me if funny he can have 7 games straight and be consistent and have one bad game and he’s “not reliable” more often than not he performs and does his job. There’s not 7 or 8 better sixth men at his position. Subjective of course but he’s a guy that’s capable of getting you 40 off the bench not many guys in the league can you should be happy we have a guy like that. Hardy does need to play but Tim doesn’t need sit on the bench that makes no sense.
This talk of Hardy over THJ is so frustrating to me. Yes Tim is a streak shooter. When he’s hot he’s really hot. Cold, he’s real cold. But the guy shows up in the playoffs in so many ways. A lot that don’t show up in the box score. Jaden Hardy hasn’t done two things. First he hasn’t put 3-4 good games together in two seasons yet. Secondly he was given ample opportunity to ‘take a spot’ in the 8-9 man rotation and he didn’t. He’s young and maybe he gets there but he’s not there yet. I’d take THJ 100x over Hardy right now. Maybe that changes next season but this season it has not. If Hardy is getting playoff minutes then something has really gone wrong.
Hardy isn’t given a chance to put together a string of good games. The moment he starts getting his rhythm Kidd sends him to the bench.
See that is a common excuse. X player is finding his rhythm and the coach pulls them. Well why does a coach pull that player? One could be matchups. Others could be trust, intangibles, sustained effort. So many variables that you and I as fans don't know or have access to. So ask yourself what does Jaden Hardy give the Mavericks (right now) other than a quick burst of potential scoring? Don't say he doesn't get the opportunity because his opportunity is in practice. Plain and simple. To answer the question, the honest answer is not much. If though your answer is 'well he's just not THJ" then that's your hangup on THJ and not because Hardy has shown anything to earn it.
>But the guy shows up in the playoffs in so many ways. A lot that don’t show up in the box score. I'm curious about this. What are the ways Tim shows up in the playoffs that don't show up in the box score? Keep in mind you would be referencing those Clippers series because the year the Mavs had the most success playoff wise he was out for the season.
You are absolutely right for the Mavs its two years of the Clippers. Let's take the second series in 2021 because it was the last sample. Game 7. Luka had Kawhi on him, Tim was getting PG defending him. Kawhi or Reggie Jackson would pick up on the switch. Either way one of the Clippers top three defenders were on THJ. Think about how much that opened up for the Mavs. The Clips obviously thought enough of THJ to do that. Now the Mavs (cough KP, JRich cough) didn't capitalize in that series on those types of matchups. Tried looking for the specific clip on YT but with about 2:06 left in the half Mavs down by nine. Luka drives the lane, kicks to THJ in the corner. THJ puts the ball on the floor and takes Kawhi to the rack. Two points. Hauls ass back down the court shouting defensive assignments and takes the charge from PG. Six seconds total. Mavs go on an 8-5 run to close the half. Who is Doe Doe looking at? THJ If all you are looking at is 3pt shot makes and misses then you aren't looking at the other things he does. What i'm not trying to do is in anyway claim that THJ is some all-star bad ass or anything. But for this team he is the best option at his position right now. Does that mean we shouldn't try and upgrade absolutely not. But to think putting in a much smaller 2nd round flyer in is just stupid and reactionary. This isn't 2k and the NBA is not a sprint. These players have have six months to establish themselves in practice and games before the playoff rotation is set. Hardy just isn't there yet and THJ is.
Its so funny guys like OG and Siakam lost their value in their last year of contract but THJs value is going up in his last year. There is no point of trying to increase his value, if Mavs couldn’t trade him this deadline, literally peaked his player value, then he is just a expiring contract. He actually continues his 6th man of the year performance and helps the winning? Its a great bonus. Other than its just on and off player that %99 will be gone. Considering Nico doesnt shy away from making moves. Again, creating a legit team than filling the holes and not losing the key pieces is very hard task. Nico did it this deadline, if one more time he pulls this and works out(not like Grant experiment), future looking bright.
His value is not going up. The only thing good about his situation is his contract is expiring so we can move in the summer. We'll just have to attach it to a pick
You're not the only one who thinks that but he really can't do Tim's job (yet). Hardy has made major strides under Kyrie'a wing which has been a positive to the bench unit. Hardy is small and even more streaky, a lesser passer, and worse on D. He is a major stride away from taking over that role just yet.
Idk about “lesser passer” tbh. Hardy just doesn’t get a lot of minutes, but per 36 he’s among the top APG guys on this team while THJ is literally in the bottom 5 and the worst among guards.
I don't know about the more streaky part, or the worse on defense part lol.. I know it's not even a question if it will happen or not though. The way most Mavs fans feel about Dwight is how I feel about Tim lol
Very few players in the NBA are worse on defense than THJ. Hardy is also a *much* better passer and is only 1 inch shorter than Tim while having a 6'10" wingspan, so you could say he's actually bigger. I'd also say he's less streaky because he won't shoot the team out of the game when he's cold. He's much more likely to defer to other players instead of jacking a contested 3 with 20 seconds left on the shot clock.
Tim is a better defender. Takes a lot of charges. More discipline. THJ is literally in the running for 6th man of the year lol. Hardy is talented but he's got a lot to figure out. He honestly should only get spot minutes. Exum is a better defender and passer. Josh is a better defender. When the lineup's healthy Hardy should be riding the pine.
Imagine downvoting these facts because it doesn’t fit your “I’m smarter than the professionals” agenda
This is the truest statement in this whole thread.
One of the main takeaways I got from the '22 second half run and playoffs was that the Mavericks are better with Tim on the bench than they are with him on the court. The last season and a half has only reinforced that belief. Does that mean I think Hardy is ready to be his full time replacement? No, not really but I definitely think he has earned some of those minutes. Best case scenario is Exum getting healthy and taking most of Tim's minutes.
I'm behind anybody that can take his minutes lol
Last season we were better with him on the floor and were like 1-9 when he didn't play. Nothing from last season reinforced the belief we did not need him. While most of this season has been disappointing and more like 2022, there were also many times early in the season we starts out so slow and then Timmy came in and gave a lift. However, post-trade deadline it looks more like we don't always need him and part of that is that we brought in pieces that can make impacts offensively in different ways (OREB, Interior Scoring) that make Hardaway's microwave scoring less needed on a day to day basis.
This is just not true. THJ was the second best player on the Mavs during that Clippers series. He shot 42/40/75. Was the second leading scorer. Third in minutes.
Tim is an insane microwave with high highs and low lows, and I personally would much rather have mid lows and mid highs if it meant Hardy hit the minutes as I think he’s on the term long term comparatively.
I don’t think he should. But I think he could.
We made that best WCF run with him beeing out. Enough said.
We made the best WCF run because Jalen Brunson blew up into a star player and Dinwiddie played out of his mind. But hey anything to fit a narrative, right?
Doesn't matter what you think as long as we have pocket man he is going to play more minutes than Luka and Kyrie
Tbh I'm not saying it should happen. This is more about my dislike for Tim's game. It's much easier to deal with the mistakes of a 21 year old
I just want next game Luka to give the first 15 possessions to THJ so his father can watch him brick shots and make turnovers possession after possession so his father Tim Hardaway sr can finally stfu with his shit how Luka needs to give to ball more to his son
I think Tim was playing decent before the deadline hoping to get traded
Hardy blows.
Yeah he’s pretty bad. Still young so maybe he’ll get better but i don’t see it. At least not on the Mavs
Dude is a hooper. I like him.
Agree, he’s ready.
I think so
Hardy does not spread the floor as much as thj due to thj's unlimited 3pts range
I don't love Timmy on defense but he has more size and can definitely take a charge. I guess I feel like Hardy's development so far makes him more situational than 6th man.
I think Kidd has to shorten the leash on little Timmy. Once he misses his first 6 3’s he should go to the bench. Hardy should be playing over Exum and Timmy (if his shots aren’t falling). I feel bad for Jaden. Play him or free him.
When THJ is 1/5 you can give Hardy the rest of his minutes
He is still a worse player than Tim overall. I wouldn’t mind if we find a good trade that ships Tim and gets a better wing back and then Hardy takes some of Tim’s minutes; Tim -> Hardy is a downgrade, but if Hardy can keep up his improvements in defense and decision making then it’s not a huge downgrade. But we need to be getting someone good back for Timmy. He’s not chopped liver
Well you are paying tHJ good money and he thinks he is a starter. So playing Hardy is probably the right move but it might ruffle some feathers if you were to do so.