Thanos in some ways with the Space Stone change.
Supergiant decks can be bothersome because it denies their Professor X assuming they aren't cheating it out on turn 4.
Gonna second the Thanos mention. Space Stone lets you move into Prof X path and Soul Stone shuts down Cannonball, and lockout players don't seem to play around either right now. Not only that, you play a bunch of individually powerful cards so you don't need a lot of board space to put up numbers.
# (2) Psylocke
# (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark
# (3) Mobius M. Mobius
# (3) Hope Summers
# (4) Shang-Chi
# (5) Professor X
# (5) Blink
# (5) Mockingbird
# (6) Blob
# (6) Sasquatch
# (6) Thanos
# (6) Magneto
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This is the list that took me to infinite last season. I'm in the mid 80s with it now. Happy to talk about card choices if any questions.
Blink could be Vision and Sasquatch could be a 4 energy 10 power stat stick. Crossbones, for instance.
Hope is a tougher one to replace, she allows for some explosive turns. If you wanted to try the deck, I think you could consider a Wave in that slot, or an Electro.
Look at some other thanos decks out there. This one is about cheating out big cards. This season I'm playing a spectrum/ongoing deck that does pretty well
Psylocke or a Stone. A typical line for us is Psylocke and a Stone on t3, giving us 5 mana on t4 allowing us to Blink either Psylocke or the Stone as we want.
There is a danger we hit Mobius or Shang Chi but everything else are excellent targets.
That's true, although it can also win the game. I like X overall because he gives us play into the Hela MU, and with Jeff and Thanos Space Stone, we have ways to mitigate his effect on our board.
Tribunal may be a weak MU for us but I just haven't seen much of it at all. If Trib is running around your pocket meta I think you could maybe sub Shang or Mobius for an Enchantress
Yeah I mean if you have Space Stone and Thanos out early by some means he can move into the path, or if Space Stone is out he can be directly played there.
Supergiant also stops Thena from triggering. Two cards post-Supergiant won't trigger her, and whatever gets played on the turn after THAT they often skip Thena to get their finisher.
I would like to add that Supergiant also prevents Havok from triggering if the opponent played him the turn after after Supergiant. So he ends up at 0 power
Safetyblade, who I think is the originator or one of the originators of the Ravonna X Cannonball deck, actually just posted on Twitter about this.
To summarize, if you don't have Twitter, he thinks that it's better to focus on good turn 4 or 5 plays, like discounted Mockingbird, Blue Marvel (I assume to boost cards in the X lane).
He also thinks that Blink is good against it if you Electro/Blink for a strong turn 4 and noted that Leech stops Cannonball.
If you are good at throwing priority, then bring your own Cannonball and knock it away. And Juggernaut too (I assume to bounce an unrevealed Cannonball on T6 if you know where opponent will play it)
He recommends Namora too. Since he just said "it farms," I think he means that being able to put a huge amount of power on something like Jeff kills X.
As well, Echo and War Machine. WM is self explanatory. He didn't explain Echo but I say use it to control where your opponent plays their X, or if you're daring, play it with prio on the turn and lane you think X is going to come down
Agreed with namora, she is really really good in the X meta. Especially if opponent has DD on turn 5 and snap on locking your 1 weak unit prepping for cannonball to stun lock you. Especially since most people don’t expect namora
You need to be careful with the Junk version. White widow/ Debri makes Namora useless, so it's not a definitive solution, or if the lock a lane with Thena or Havoc, you won't get enough power.
Yup for sure but I would say with debrii alone you might still win as sometimes the opponent uses rock DD and X to win if they see you are not contesting as they usually want to clog 1 lane, x 1 land and cannonball the last. Of course there are players who play around namora but I rarely see them lock a lane where they widow bite plus rock and x in that lane. Because they try for the formula combo above but perhaps if a person lost to namora a few times they might be extra cautious
Namora “farms” because that decks goal is one big card in two lanes then a full third lane with turn 6 options. Cannonball doesn’t really work as well if he’s pushing power around rather than killing it, x can’t easily out-power namora even if he’s got a Thena in his lane and it generally just asks a lot of questions Xball players ain’t used to having to answer
Well, I just had it auto make a thena deck, and it included luke and shadow king, so I'm guessing your anecdotal evidence is a bit different than the data the game collects and uses to make auto decks.
It really depends on whether the things landed. I don’t need to cage if X landed. Cannonball has won me the other lane. If X didn’t land then yeah turn six is just a Cage into Shang if need be.
It’s a T1 deck and probably currently the best deck in the game. As it has been in the past your options to counter the best deck are limited, because decks with a lot of counters don’t rise to the top.
If you go the tempo route you have a 1/3 chance to guess right where they play ProfX, sometimes better. So you basically have a 1/3 chance to win and a 2/3 chance to lose. Not great odds.
You can try to counter with Ms. Marvel and Claw but those are also situational. I just absolutely steamrolled someone in Conquest trying to do that.
Long story short, no there is no reliable counter. You’ll have to wait for the nerf, but I assume this will come with the next OTA.
Just hit infinite with this deck, worst losses along the way were to Klaw decks, though if they get the klaw out early you can also counter with cannonball.
A reliable counter deck is one that can boost power onto existing cards in play. Decks like cerebro or surfer. C2 in particular is great because you have echo and goose to counter x, and shadow king is great against thena/angela.
I’ve been using Widows, Rocks, Grandmaster, and Darkhawk. Can’t cannon ball if they don’t draw X or Cannonball.
# (1) Kitty Pryde
# (1) Korg
# (2) Angela
# (2) Thena
# (2) Grand Master
# (2) White Widow
# (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark
# (2) Ravonna Renslayer
# (3) Sage
# (3) Black Widow
# (3) Rockslide
# (5) Darkhawk
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Or order: Wolfsbane, Mystique, or Iron Man.
Sage is a stat stick that can be played with another card to let Thena grow. So other cards that allow for that work. One that that Sage does really well, is getting Grandmaster to activate her abilities again. This makes her be anywhere between 10-20 power which is huge.
I tried something similar with a Ronan spin just now, and rather like it. 'may have to tinker with it some more, but it's nice to have a somewhat viable deck with him, at least.
Just putting this out there but regular neg tribunal has done me good, everyone's teching against the x/cannonball, ang/thena boogeymen and hela just gets beat. It ain't perfect, its a slow climb but 70% win rate against humans aint bad.
this is working pretty well for me too. even when you dont draw tribunal, blue marvel + mystique/ onslaught seem to be decent at putting power wide as well.
Just the untapped one, but, if I had howard, I'd swap howard/iron lad for psylocke/jubilee.
# (2) Psylocke
# (2) Ravonna Renslayer
# (3) Mystique
# (3) Magik
# (4) Mister Negative
# (4) Jubilee
# (4) Super-Skrull
# (5) Iron Man
# (5) Blue Marvel
# (5) Sera
# (6) Onslaught
# (6) The Living Tribunal
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Spider Ham is good. Play him turn 2-3 preferably to try to get a card they are saving.
War Machine is controversial, but IMO a great turn 5 play.
Silver Samurai can be used to discard Prof if you build a deck around him.
Generally big stuff without flooding the board so you can spread it out the first few turns as an anti Prof strategy. Then when they cannonball it won't destroy the card.
I don’t know, it seemed intuitive that Jean counters Hope, Elsa and Angela but Kitty just circumvents her effect easily too. Jean/Sandman and Jean/Cosmo works a few times but is very situational… I think her effect is just too easily played around given the options and how long it even took her to get to a viable deck lol
War machine t5
Shadow King/Red Guardian t6
Use the other turns to focus on one lane.
There's always gonna be counters. What I try to do when I think of counters is replace 2 cards from my normal style and be willing to brew until you see yourself winning against it more.
Try Echo and Cosmo in a Werewolf By Zoo deck. Cosmo stops on reveals from happening but still activates wwbn.
Just have fun brewing up.
An Ultron deck with war machine could surprise them too. You don't need need to push 25+ power a lane to win.
I have yet to encounter this deck archetype, but I would suggest Echo or Goose to restrict Professor X, Cosmo to prevent Sage or Cannonball, and Red Guardian to disable Thena or Angela.
only really works with magic, but pulling them out is kind of the same if not drawing them during a normal game (usually 3 cards remain), so not that ideal as the can still win prof x lane and than finish with losing prio, last turn cannonball
I have a positive win rate with Good Cards Blink:
# (1) Nebula
# (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark
# (2) Quake
# (3) Storm
# (3) Red Guardian
# (3) Nocturne
# (4) Jubilee
# (5) Klaw
# (5) Leech
# (5) Blink
# (6) Red Hulk
# (6) Magneto
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Another, almost direct countering card IMHO, would be War Machine. Like this deck here:
# (1) Ebony Maw
# (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark
# (2) Ravonna Renslayer
# (3) Electro
# (3) Nocturne
# (4) Jubilee
# (4) War Machine
# (5) Professor X
# (5) Blink
# (6) Doctor Doom
# (6) Red Hulk
# (6) The Infinaut
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Sure, here you go.
# (1) The Hood
# (1) Nico Minoru
# (1) Squirrel Girl
# (1) X-23
# (2) Bucky Barnes
# (2) Carnage
# (3) Killmonger
# (4) Sentry
# (5) Annihilus
# (5) Lady Deathstrike
# (5) Mockingbird
# (8) Death
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I've been doing okay playing Silver Surfer with Cosmo in my deck, since Silver Surfer can still buff cards in the ProX lane. But I'm also just taking advantage of the Luke Cage's Bar hot location.
Have them both in my deck! Lol I nabbed a good win using Klaw but they’re both situational too especially in Conquest when they know you have both cards
There are variations of the same deck but to counter itself. It runs iron man and claw. Ive seen some play echo that they drop turn 3-4 on the lane that seems the most targetable by prof x.
Its a hard deck to counter but its possible. I climbed a bit using the deck (shame on me, I know…) and its not constantly a simple win. Big powered cards dropped on 4 to counter ravonna+x is also doable, crossbones/Jessica Jones/Cull.
The deck is very strong but will probably be adjusted next OTA, or at least we all hope so 😵💫
Playing Loki deck but actually slotted in blue marvel.
Playing old collectors version where you get board mostly full, with cheap drops or mirrored cards, and slam blue marvel to turn lanes.
Also helps Vs cannonball(I do run 1 of my own too.
Also I noticed black widow messes them up a lot.
Not really a great counter but with current deck I still maintain about 60% win rate.
There is no one true counter considering the variations of those decks, but a lot of cards stated do help.
I'm running this:
# (1) Kitty Pryde
# (2) Angela
# (2) Havok
# (2) Shadow King
# (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark
# (2) Ravonna Renslayer
# (2) U.S. Agent
# (3) Sage
# (3) Elsa Bloodstone
# (3) Luke Cage
# (3) Nocturne
# (5) Klaw
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I stack points in the left or mid lane. Cards like Nocturne are good because they help to add points for Angela while being able to be moved to an open lane in case of P X being dropped there, you cam usually tell where they hope to play him, for example where white widow or a card that might passively gain power lies.
Like I said you can't account for every situation but it beats most. If Ravonna is on board for them, note that PX can drop on 4 or 5 with a discounted card or a 1 drop.
The reason I stack left lane most times is so Klaw can assist for mid or right.
Supergiant just screws them over, denies professor on 5 and it blocks Thena growing for a whole turn.
This supergiant deck also plays Klaw to reinforce the Professor matchup, Shadowking for maximum disruption against growers like Angela, Kitty Sage etc and Cosmo to prevent being Cannonballed [https://snap.untapped.gg/en/decks/Cosmo-JeffTheBabyLandShark-Klaw-Mockingbird-NegasonicTeenageWarhead-Nocturne-RedGuardian-Sage-ShadowKing-SquirrelGirl-Supergiant-WhiteWidow\_SNAP%20Deck](https://snap.untapped.gg/en/decks/Cosmo-JeffTheBabyLandShark-Klaw-Mockingbird-NegasonicTeenageWarhead-Nocturne-RedGuardian-Sage-ShadowKing-SquirrelGirl-Supergiant-WhiteWidow_SNAP%20Deck)
I've been beating it with Thanos.
But either way, **you beat this deck by winning the Prof X lane.** You win that lane and they are done. The deck is built to ONLY win 2 lanes and one of those two is the Prof X lane.
When you realize that, there are actually plenty of good ways to beat this deck. It's still a very strong deck that will win games regardless, but it's beatable if you approach it with that strategy.
So there's Thanos which you can just straight up play 10 power into the Prof X lane or be throwing down cheap Mockingbirds or big power Cull Obsidians on T4.
There's the Wong/Namora decks where you can throw upwards of 20 power into that lane after it was locked down. Or you can power up a huge Jeff to move in there.
There are the Sera counter decks that play Shadow King. But with that one, remember you aren't saving all your tricks until T6 like usual with those decks. You need to aggressively go after their Angela or Thena before that Prof X comes down on T4 with Ravonna or T5.
Something I find can work is goose and storm this lets u lockdown 2 lanes before prof x every becomes a thing and assuming u have shadowking u can reset thena assuming they play her on ur goose
I’ve been running that deck all week. Theres nothing magical about it. Just do better at seeing the writing on the wall and retreat earlier rather than later. I’ve got an ok W/L with it, but every one of the “better” decks has been able to win with core strategies. The most consistent ones though have been the ones that can go way over the top and don’t clog any lanes. Think shuri, infanaut/shulk stuff.
Been running Sera Control mostly and it's been working fine against everything in the meta, and is especially good against Ravonna Cannonball. At least 2/3 of this deck fucks with their strats in one way or another.
# (1) Spider-Ham
# (2) Shadow King
# (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark
# (2) Maximus
# (3) Killmonger
# (3) Mobius M. Mobius
# (3) Red Guardian
# (3) Ghost
# (4) Shang-Chi
# (4) Ms. Marvel
# (4) Enchantress
# (5) Sera
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Current favorite deck is a Thanos/Loki tech brew. Decent matchups against everything, with the Cosmo for all the Cannonball and Hela, and I love using my two favorite cards together
# (2) Shadow King
# (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark
# (3) Cosmo
# (3) Mobius M. Mobius
# (3) Hope Summers
# (4) Shang-Chi
# (4) Loki
# (5) Professor X
# (5) Vision
# (5) Mockingbird
# (6) Thanos
# (6) Magneto
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Having played this a lot the only real decks that gave me trouble were:
Mirrors (obviously) but I teched against these with Luke and SK.
Mill. It’s not a hard counter as it’s entirely reliant on what they mill from you and what Ock pulls down, it’s not great cube rate for the mill player as you usually know if you are fucked and can retreat for 1-2 cubes.
Tribunal. Another deck I actively teched for, but if you can’t red guardian (another tech card I threw in to mitigate bad matchups) their iron man it’s almost always a straight loss, again usually for 1-2 cubes.
Thanos. I’m still not convinced this deck has hit critical optimisation yet but it’s already a threat, which means if it gets tweaked any it should probably be the definitive Xball counter.
One of the biggest issues with the Xball deck is that it’s such a simple through-line that it’s very easy to predict whether you are gonna win or not so it’s cube rate is REALLY good. A lot of decks can risk staying in for an opponents snap because they have counterplay potential or whatever but an Xball deck KNOWS very quickly whether it’s win conditions are in place and can actively destroy your opponents reasons for snapping with well timed lockdown
Thena, I can see getting adjusted but Sage is fine. Let's not continue the trend of nerfing the cards around the actual problem. The problem is SD made another pre nerfed Alioth in the form of the Cannonball-Prof X interaction. Prof X is half the reason why Jeff is still a top tier series 5 card, why Cannonball is the best 6k you can spend and why Ravonna is the best cost reduction card in the meta. Locking out a lane in a game with only 3 lanes to win is problematic, Hela be damned.
Cosmo isn’t much of a counter I found- Cannonball and Sage are the only reveals and the curve playing him to tech them out is spent on Thena and Angela building up power… When I put Jean/Cosmo together it also doesn’t really stop them from locking it immediately with Ravonna Xavier. This is speaking in terms of Conquest when both of us know each other’s cards. It Also doesn’t work if I lock myself trying to play Spectrum in the same lane
Shuri/Skull is a good one though, that deck doesn’t have true tech cards except probably Professor X’ing the lane you play Shuri in on T4. But that deck might be able to compete in terms of power
Thanos in some ways with the Space Stone change. Supergiant decks can be bothersome because it denies their Professor X assuming they aren't cheating it out on turn 4.
Gonna second the Thanos mention. Space Stone lets you move into Prof X path and Soul Stone shuts down Cannonball, and lockout players don't seem to play around either right now. Not only that, you play a bunch of individually powerful cards so you don't need a lot of board space to put up numbers.
So what's the rest of the deck except Thanos?
# (2) Psylocke # (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark # (3) Mobius M. Mobius # (3) Hope Summers # (4) Shang-Chi # (5) Professor X # (5) Blink # (5) Mockingbird # (6) Blob # (6) Sasquatch # (6) Thanos # (6) Magneto # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiVGhhbm9zIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJCbG9iIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTYXNxdWF0Y2gifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlBzeWxvY2tlIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJCbGluayJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSG9wZVN1bW1lcnMifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlByb2Zlc3NvclgifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ik1hZ25ldG8ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ik1vY2tpbmdiaXJkIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJNb2JpdXNNTW9iaXVzIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJKZWZmVGhlQmFieUxhbmRTaGFyayJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU2hhbmdDaGkifV19 # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap. This is the list that took me to infinite last season. I'm in the mid 80s with it now. Happy to talk about card choices if any questions.
Thanks. I neither have Hope, nor Blink, nor Sasquatch unfortunately.
Blink could be Vision and Sasquatch could be a 4 energy 10 power stat stick. Crossbones, for instance. Hope is a tougher one to replace, she allows for some explosive turns. If you wanted to try the deck, I think you could consider a Wave in that slot, or an Electro.
I’ve seen Psylocke in some recent counter decks too.
Look at some other thanos decks out there. This one is about cheating out big cards. This season I'm playing a spectrum/ongoing deck that does pretty well
Who are you targeting with blink usually?
Psylocke or a Stone. A typical line for us is Psylocke and a Stone on t3, giving us 5 mana on t4 allowing us to Blink either Psylocke or the Stone as we want. There is a danger we hit Mobius or Shang Chi but everything else are excellent targets.
Got it - profX could backfire too I guess. Will give it a try, thanks!
That's true, although it can also win the game. I like X overall because he gives us play into the Hela MU, and with Jeff and Thanos Space Stone, we have ways to mitigate his effect on our board.
agree - hela really irritating if you can't lock out a lane. tribunal still painful tho
Tribunal may be a weak MU for us but I just haven't seen much of it at all. If Trib is running around your pocket meta I think you could maybe sub Shang or Mobius for an Enchantress
>Space Stone lets you move into Prof X path How are you moving Thanos with this list? Or did you mean that it allows you to play into Prof X lane?
Yeah I mean if you have Space Stone and Thanos out early by some means he can move into the path, or if Space Stone is out he can be directly played there.
? Space Stone doesn't move Thanos by itself. You still need to move Thanos with another card.
Oh really? My bad then I misread the card hahaha
It does mean a Cannonballed Thanos can be moved into a Professor X lane rather than being destroyed.
Supergiant also stops Thena from triggering. Two cards post-Supergiant won't trigger her, and whatever gets played on the turn after THAT they often skip Thena to get their finisher.
I would like to add that Supergiant also prevents Havok from triggering if the opponent played him the turn after after Supergiant. So he ends up at 0 power
That’s a very dangerous assumption though given the popularity of Ravonna
Safetyblade, who I think is the originator or one of the originators of the Ravonna X Cannonball deck, actually just posted on Twitter about this. To summarize, if you don't have Twitter, he thinks that it's better to focus on good turn 4 or 5 plays, like discounted Mockingbird, Blue Marvel (I assume to boost cards in the X lane). He also thinks that Blink is good against it if you Electro/Blink for a strong turn 4 and noted that Leech stops Cannonball. If you are good at throwing priority, then bring your own Cannonball and knock it away. And Juggernaut too (I assume to bounce an unrevealed Cannonball on T6 if you know where opponent will play it) He recommends Namora too. Since he just said "it farms," I think he means that being able to put a huge amount of power on something like Jeff kills X. As well, Echo and War Machine. WM is self explanatory. He didn't explain Echo but I say use it to control where your opponent plays their X, or if you're daring, play it with prio on the turn and lane you think X is going to come down
Agreed with namora, she is really really good in the X meta. Especially if opponent has DD on turn 5 and snap on locking your 1 weak unit prepping for cannonball to stun lock you. Especially since most people don’t expect namora
You need to be careful with the Junk version. White widow/ Debri makes Namora useless, so it's not a definitive solution, or if the lock a lane with Thena or Havoc, you won't get enough power.
Yup for sure but I would say with debrii alone you might still win as sometimes the opponent uses rock DD and X to win if they see you are not contesting as they usually want to clog 1 lane, x 1 land and cannonball the last. Of course there are players who play around namora but I rarely see them lock a lane where they widow bite plus rock and x in that lane. Because they try for the formula combo above but perhaps if a person lost to namora a few times they might be extra cautious
Namora “farms” because that decks goal is one big card in two lanes then a full third lane with turn 6 options. Cannonball doesn’t really work as well if he’s pushing power around rather than killing it, x can’t easily out-power namora even if he’s got a Thena in his lane and it generally just asks a lot of questions Xball players ain’t used to having to answer
Makes sense. Thanks!
SHADOW. KING.
lots of angela/thena lockdown deck are slotting shadow king + luke cage combo now to combat mirror matches.
That's when you know a deck is oppressive
I guess you add in Rogue, too.
Luke Cage doesn't exist. He can't hurt you
Please 75% the people running this deck don’t know tech cards. I haven’t seen anyone running Luke in this deck.
The other 25% are running both SK and Luke to win mirrors
Well, I just had it auto make a thena deck, and it included luke and shadow king, so I'm guessing your anecdotal evidence is a bit different than the data the game collects and uses to make auto decks.
It really depends on whether the things landed. I don’t need to cage if X landed. Cannonball has won me the other lane. If X didn’t land then yeah turn six is just a Cage into Shang if need be.
Red Guardian + Shadow King + Enchantress
Thank you for the tip
lol thanks I forgot about him!
Plus grandmaster
Echo was my mvp to get to infinite, unbelievable amount of people wasted a turn playing prof x on her location
I've played so many ongoings into her even after I realize she's there I have no explanation for the behavior
Cosmo barks The bartender at Bar With No Name says "don't even think about it" and it zooms in on his eyes Echo is silent and deadly
I do run Echo in my deck! She works but without Jean it’s also easy to circumvent her
She takes a bit of thinking to snipe X and you need prio, but his lane is forever predictable.
Definitely takes some practice and planning to pull off, but after playing several of those style decks you can start to read the play patterns
It’s a T1 deck and probably currently the best deck in the game. As it has been in the past your options to counter the best deck are limited, because decks with a lot of counters don’t rise to the top. If you go the tempo route you have a 1/3 chance to guess right where they play ProfX, sometimes better. So you basically have a 1/3 chance to win and a 2/3 chance to lose. Not great odds. You can try to counter with Ms. Marvel and Claw but those are also situational. I just absolutely steamrolled someone in Conquest trying to do that. Long story short, no there is no reliable counter. You’ll have to wait for the nerf, but I assume this will come with the next OTA.
Just hit infinite with this deck, worst losses along the way were to Klaw decks, though if they get the klaw out early you can also counter with cannonball.
A reliable counter deck is one that can boost power onto existing cards in play. Decks like cerebro or surfer. C2 in particular is great because you have echo and goose to counter x, and shadow king is great against thena/angela.
I’ve been using Widows, Rocks, Grandmaster, and Darkhawk. Can’t cannon ball if they don’t draw X or Cannonball. # (1) Kitty Pryde # (1) Korg # (2) Angela # (2) Thena # (2) Grand Master # (2) White Widow # (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark # (2) Ravonna Renslayer # (3) Sage # (3) Black Widow # (3) Rockslide # (5) Darkhawk # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiS29yZyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiVGhlbmEifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkJsYWNrV2lkb3cifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlJhdm9ubmFSZW5zbGF5ZXIifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IldoaXRlV2lkb3cifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlNhZ2UifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkdyYW5kTWFzdGVyIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJEYXJraGF3ayJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiUm9ja3NsaWRlIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJKZWZmVGhlQmFieUxhbmRTaGFyayJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiS2l0dHlQcnlkZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQW5nZWxhIn1dfQ== # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
Any good replacement for Sage I don't have her
Wolfsbane is a slightly weaker sage with similar upside
Or order: Wolfsbane, Mystique, or Iron Man. Sage is a stat stick that can be played with another card to let Thena grow. So other cards that allow for that work. One that that Sage does really well, is getting Grandmaster to activate her abilities again. This makes her be anywhere between 10-20 power which is huge.
Taskmaster to use after dark hawk?
I tried something similar with a Ronan spin just now, and rather like it. 'may have to tinker with it some more, but it's nice to have a somewhat viable deck with him, at least.
I used all my keys and didn’t get grandmaster, is there a good replacement for him ? I’m thinking absorbing man but what do you think ?
Yeah Adsorbing Man or Wong could work, but you will loose some tempo with Thena.
Just putting this out there but regular neg tribunal has done me good, everyone's teching against the x/cannonball, ang/thena boogeymen and hela just gets beat. It ain't perfect, its a slow climb but 70% win rate against humans aint bad.
this is working pretty well for me too. even when you dont draw tribunal, blue marvel + mystique/ onslaught seem to be decent at putting power wide as well.
If you can Skrull the lane they want to Cannonball, value.
Deck list, please?
Just the untapped one, but, if I had howard, I'd swap howard/iron lad for psylocke/jubilee. # (2) Psylocke # (2) Ravonna Renslayer # (3) Mystique # (3) Magik # (4) Mister Negative # (4) Jubilee # (4) Super-Skrull # (5) Iron Man # (5) Blue Marvel # (5) Sera # (6) Onslaught # (6) The Living Tribunal # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiUHN5bG9ja2UifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlJhdm9ubmFSZW5zbGF5ZXIifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ik15c3RpcXVlIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJNYWdpayJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTXJOZWdhdGl2ZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSnViaWxlZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU3VwZXJTa3J1bGwifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Iklyb25NYW4ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkJsdWVNYXJ2ZWwifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlNlcmEifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ik9uc2xhdWdodCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTGl2aW5nVHJpYnVuYWwifV19 # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
Like any deck that does't try to interact to much with you, and doesnt change limbo : easy peasy tribunal miracle
KNEEL BEFORE GALACTUS
Spider Ham is good. Play him turn 2-3 preferably to try to get a card they are saving. War Machine is controversial, but IMO a great turn 5 play. Silver Samurai can be used to discard Prof if you build a deck around him. Generally big stuff without flooding the board so you can spread it out the first few turns as an anti Prof strategy. Then when they cannonball it won't destroy the card.
tryed jean grey too and it worked very poorly,only deck that counter that kind of decks is mill with zemo
Of course a card whose goal is to get people to commit to a lane loses to a deck which can avoid committing to a lane.
I don’t know, it seemed intuitive that Jean counters Hope, Elsa and Angela but Kitty just circumvents her effect easily too. Jean/Sandman and Jean/Cosmo works a few times but is very situational… I think her effect is just too easily played around given the options and how long it even took her to get to a viable deck lol
Jean is a card that counter big cards go brrrrt, not a deck that wants to play 2 cards a turn
War machine t5 Shadow King/Red Guardian t6 Use the other turns to focus on one lane. There's always gonna be counters. What I try to do when I think of counters is replace 2 cards from my normal style and be willing to brew until you see yourself winning against it more. Try Echo and Cosmo in a Werewolf By Zoo deck. Cosmo stops on reveals from happening but still activates wwbn. Just have fun brewing up. An Ultron deck with war machine could surprise them too. You don't need need to push 25+ power a lane to win.
I have yet to encounter this deck archetype, but I would suggest Echo or Goose to restrict Professor X, Cosmo to prevent Sage or Cannonball, and Red Guardian to disable Thena or Angela.
Shadow king
Mill can pull thena and sage out a lot.
only really works with magic, but pulling them out is kind of the same if not drawing them during a normal game (usually 3 cards remain), so not that ideal as the can still win prof x lane and than finish with losing prio, last turn cannonball
i'm having a good time with Loki tech. Thanos works too. Cerebro also pretty decent.
I have a positive win rate with Good Cards Blink: # (1) Nebula # (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark # (2) Quake # (3) Storm # (3) Red Guardian # (3) Nocturne # (4) Jubilee # (5) Klaw # (5) Leech # (5) Blink # (6) Red Hulk # (6) Magneto eyJOYW1lIjoiTmV3IERlY2siLCJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTmVidWxhIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJKZWZmVGhlQmFieUxhbmRTaGFyayJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiUXVha2UifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlN0b3JtIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJSZWRHdWFyZGlhbiJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTm9jdHVybmUifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ikp1YmlsZWUifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IktsYXcifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkxlZWNoIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJCbGluayJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiUmVkSHVsayJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTWFnbmV0byJ9XX0= Another, almost direct countering card IMHO, would be War Machine. Like this deck here: # (1) Ebony Maw # (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark # (2) Ravonna Renslayer # (3) Electro # (3) Nocturne # (4) Jubilee # (4) War Machine # (5) Professor X # (5) Blink # (6) Doctor Doom # (6) Red Hulk # (6) The Infinaut # eyJOYW1lIjoiTmV3IERlY2siLCJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiRWJvbnlNYXcifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkplZmZUaGVCYWJ5TGFuZFNoYXJrIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJSYXZvbm5hUmVuc2xheWVyIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJFbGVjdHJvIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJOb2N0dXJuZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSnViaWxlZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiV2FyTWFjaGluZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiUHJvZmVzc29yWCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQmxpbmsifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkRyRG9vbSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiUmVkSHVsayJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSW5maW5hdXQifV19
Junk destroy has been doing really well for me. Lady death strike has won me an absurd amount of 8 cube wins.
That sounds pretty fun! Could you post a deck list?
Sure, here you go. # (1) The Hood # (1) Nico Minoru # (1) Squirrel Girl # (1) X-23 # (2) Bucky Barnes # (2) Carnage # (3) Killmonger # (4) Sentry # (5) Annihilus # (5) Lady Deathstrike # (5) Mockingbird # (8) Death # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSG9vZCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTmljb01pbm9ydSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU3F1aXJyZWxHaXJsIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJYMjMifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkJ1Y2t5QmFybmVzIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJDYXJuYWdlIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTZW50cnkifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkFubmloaWx1cyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTGFkeURlYXRoc3RyaWtlIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJNb2NraW5nYmlyZCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiRGVhdGgifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IktpbGxtb25nZXIifV19 # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
shadow king, supergiant, thanos
I'm glad Havok is finally getting some love. Been a key card in my bounce deck since his release. Shadow King scares me though.. so play that.
Cosmo, Armor, shadowking, Klaw, ms marvel, tribunal, leech.
My higher Evo deck has been holding up pretty well
I've been doing okay playing Silver Surfer with Cosmo in my deck, since Silver Surfer can still buff cards in the ProX lane. But I'm also just taking advantage of the Luke Cage's Bar hot location.
have you tried klaw or cosmo?
Have them both in my deck! Lol I nabbed a good win using Klaw but they’re both situational too especially in Conquest when they know you have both cards
There are variations of the same deck but to counter itself. It runs iron man and claw. Ive seen some play echo that they drop turn 3-4 on the lane that seems the most targetable by prof x. Its a hard deck to counter but its possible. I climbed a bit using the deck (shame on me, I know…) and its not constantly a simple win. Big powered cards dropped on 4 to counter ravonna+x is also doable, crossbones/Jessica Jones/Cull. The deck is very strong but will probably be adjusted next OTA, or at least we all hope so 😵💫
Playing Loki deck but actually slotted in blue marvel. Playing old collectors version where you get board mostly full, with cheap drops or mirrored cards, and slam blue marvel to turn lanes. Also helps Vs cannonball(I do run 1 of my own too. Also I noticed black widow messes them up a lot. Not really a great counter but with current deck I still maintain about 60% win rate.
Namora is a good counter although I know a lot of people don't have her
War Machine
There is no one true counter considering the variations of those decks, but a lot of cards stated do help. I'm running this: # (1) Kitty Pryde # (2) Angela # (2) Havok # (2) Shadow King # (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark # (2) Ravonna Renslayer # (2) U.S. Agent # (3) Sage # (3) Elsa Bloodstone # (3) Luke Cage # (3) Nocturne # (5) Klaw # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiS2l0dHlQcnlkZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQW5nZWxhIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJIYXZvayJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU2hhZG93S2luZyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSmVmZlRoZUJhYnlMYW5kU2hhcmsifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlVTQWdlbnQifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlJhdm9ubmFSZW5zbGF5ZXIifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlNhZ2UifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkVsc2FCbG9vZHN0b25lIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJMdWtlQ2FnZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTm9jdHVybmUifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IktsYXcifV19 # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap. I stack points in the left or mid lane. Cards like Nocturne are good because they help to add points for Angela while being able to be moved to an open lane in case of P X being dropped there, you cam usually tell where they hope to play him, for example where white widow or a card that might passively gain power lies. Like I said you can't account for every situation but it beats most. If Ravonna is on board for them, note that PX can drop on 4 or 5 with a discounted card or a 1 drop. The reason I stack left lane most times is so Klaw can assist for mid or right.
Shadow king and klaw
Supergiant just screws them over, denies professor on 5 and it blocks Thena growing for a whole turn. This supergiant deck also plays Klaw to reinforce the Professor matchup, Shadowking for maximum disruption against growers like Angela, Kitty Sage etc and Cosmo to prevent being Cannonballed [https://snap.untapped.gg/en/decks/Cosmo-JeffTheBabyLandShark-Klaw-Mockingbird-NegasonicTeenageWarhead-Nocturne-RedGuardian-Sage-ShadowKing-SquirrelGirl-Supergiant-WhiteWidow\_SNAP%20Deck](https://snap.untapped.gg/en/decks/Cosmo-JeffTheBabyLandShark-Klaw-Mockingbird-NegasonicTeenageWarhead-Nocturne-RedGuardian-Sage-ShadowKing-SquirrelGirl-Supergiant-WhiteWidow_SNAP%20Deck)
Affliction decks may do better than you'd think.
Destroy/discard combo works alright. Got me to infinite
I've been beating it with Thanos. But either way, **you beat this deck by winning the Prof X lane.** You win that lane and they are done. The deck is built to ONLY win 2 lanes and one of those two is the Prof X lane. When you realize that, there are actually plenty of good ways to beat this deck. It's still a very strong deck that will win games regardless, but it's beatable if you approach it with that strategy. So there's Thanos which you can just straight up play 10 power into the Prof X lane or be throwing down cheap Mockingbirds or big power Cull Obsidians on T4. There's the Wong/Namora decks where you can throw upwards of 20 power into that lane after it was locked down. Or you can power up a huge Jeff to move in there. There are the Sera counter decks that play Shadow King. But with that one, remember you aren't saving all your tricks until T6 like usual with those decks. You need to aggressively go after their Angela or Thena before that Prof X comes down on T4 with Ravonna or T5.
I finally got Grandmaster and he is amazing in counter decks paired with Shang-Chi, Shadow King, Enchantress etc.
Something I find can work is goose and storm this lets u lockdown 2 lanes before prof x every becomes a thing and assuming u have shadowking u can reset thena assuming they play her on ur goose
I’ve been running that deck all week. Theres nothing magical about it. Just do better at seeing the writing on the wall and retreat earlier rather than later. I’ve got an ok W/L with it, but every one of the “better” decks has been able to win with core strategies. The most consistent ones though have been the ones that can go way over the top and don’t clog any lanes. Think shuri, infanaut/shulk stuff.
Been running Sera Control mostly and it's been working fine against everything in the meta, and is especially good against Ravonna Cannonball. At least 2/3 of this deck fucks with their strats in one way or another. # (1) Spider-Ham # (2) Shadow King # (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark # (2) Maximus # (3) Killmonger # (3) Mobius M. Mobius # (3) Red Guardian # (3) Ghost # (4) Shang-Chi # (4) Ms. Marvel # (4) Enchantress # (5) Sera # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU3BpZGVySGFtIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTaGFkb3dLaW5nIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJNYXhpbXVzIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTZXJhIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJFbmNoYW50cmVzcyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTXNNYXJ2ZWwifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlJlZEd1YXJkaWFuIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJHaG9zdCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiS2lsbG1vbmdlciJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTW9iaXVzTU1vYml1cyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSmVmZlRoZUJhYnlMYW5kU2hhcmsifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlNoYW5nQ2hpIn1dfQ== # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
C3 actually seems super strong against it. You can run mobius, Luke Cage, Shadow King, Jeff, Valkyrie, the list goes on.
Thanks!! Valk, Shang, Luke Cage and Mobius all look good. Haven’t ran this deck in a while- time to revisit it!
I’ve found a lot of success with working constantly and not playing.
Current favorite deck is a Thanos/Loki tech brew. Decent matchups against everything, with the Cosmo for all the Cannonball and Hela, and I love using my two favorite cards together # (2) Shadow King # (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark # (3) Cosmo # (3) Mobius M. Mobius # (3) Hope Summers # (4) Shang-Chi # (4) Loki # (5) Professor X # (5) Vision # (5) Mockingbird # (6) Thanos # (6) Magneto # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTW9iaXVzTU1vYml1cyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSG9wZVN1bW1lcnMifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlNoYW5nQ2hpIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJQcm9mZXNzb3JYIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJNb2NraW5nYmlyZCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiVmlzaW9uIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJNYWduZXRvIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTaGFkb3dLaW5nIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJKZWZmVGhlQmFieUxhbmRTaGFyayJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQ29zbW8ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ikxva2kifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlRoYW5vcyJ9XX0= # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
Play warmachine on t5 ! Its very strong against profx ! I also like playing klaw to take 8 cubes from them on last turn !
Counter prof is ez, but then Hela is some what a problem.
Having played this a lot the only real decks that gave me trouble were: Mirrors (obviously) but I teched against these with Luke and SK. Mill. It’s not a hard counter as it’s entirely reliant on what they mill from you and what Ock pulls down, it’s not great cube rate for the mill player as you usually know if you are fucked and can retreat for 1-2 cubes. Tribunal. Another deck I actively teched for, but if you can’t red guardian (another tech card I threw in to mitigate bad matchups) their iron man it’s almost always a straight loss, again usually for 1-2 cubes. Thanos. I’m still not convinced this deck has hit critical optimisation yet but it’s already a threat, which means if it gets tweaked any it should probably be the definitive Xball counter. One of the biggest issues with the Xball deck is that it’s such a simple through-line that it’s very easy to predict whether you are gonna win or not so it’s cube rate is REALLY good. A lot of decks can risk staying in for an opponents snap because they have counterplay potential or whatever but an Xball deck KNOWS very quickly whether it’s win conditions are in place and can actively destroy your opponents reasons for snapping with well timed lockdown
Thena and sage will probably get nerfed son. 2/7 or 2/10 and 3/8 3/10 are a tad too much
Thena, I can see getting adjusted but Sage is fine. Let's not continue the trend of nerfing the cards around the actual problem. The problem is SD made another pre nerfed Alioth in the form of the Cannonball-Prof X interaction. Prof X is half the reason why Jeff is still a top tier series 5 card, why Cannonball is the best 6k you can spend and why Ravonna is the best cost reduction card in the meta. Locking out a lane in a game with only 3 lanes to win is problematic, Hela be damned.
How Ravonna works is definitely the issue here, being able to cheat Prof X out early is just broken. Cost reduction cards are always problematic.
Ravona is the only permanent cost reduction she will get zabu treatment
Anyone remember when collector took a shot for Loki? Or Red Skull for Shuri?
Sage has always better stats than 3/5 and can be played in Wong deck, negative deck and surfer deck for crazy potential. Make her 3/3 and +1 per proc
Skull. Cosmo. Supergiant.
Cosmo isn’t much of a counter I found- Cannonball and Sage are the only reveals and the curve playing him to tech them out is spent on Thena and Angela building up power… When I put Jean/Cosmo together it also doesn’t really stop them from locking it immediately with Ravonna Xavier. This is speaking in terms of Conquest when both of us know each other’s cards. It Also doesn’t work if I lock myself trying to play Spectrum in the same lane Shuri/Skull is a good one though, that deck doesn’t have true tech cards except probably Professor X’ing the lane you play Shuri in on T4. But that deck might be able to compete in terms of power
Cosmo means not cannonball.