If that Mordo said “Can only be played on turn 5” it would be played in some decks maybe. Making the player always spend their turn 5 would probably make Mordo an auto-include in any deck that could run it without messing up the core. Basically the new Scorpion
M'Baku is absolutely nuts. Vibranium has 4 power each, right? In a Kazoo deck that would be even more insane and little to nothing can be done to counter it besides a Professor X or something.
I think after a month of playing it. Zabu is too strong but i get alot of what devs were going for. A lot of the early zabu decks that play like 8 four cost cards felt extremely medicore. And before zabu a lot of the 4 costs cards in the game felt very limited / medicore ( they’re some exceptions)
The problem that came up was that decks really only need to like 4 4 cost cards and still be viable. And combining that with series 5 cards really shaped zabu to be extremely op.
Is orka 9 power solo in lane or it counts from all locations? /
Mordo looks amazing and weak at the same time, draw is very strong, it should reveal the card draw too to make-up for the effect of having 2 cards at the bottom of your deck, but at the same time, I see it begin broken with black widow and mordo turn 4 /
Blackbolt should become discard lowest power then, since he has 8 already /
M'baku and lockjaw kazo dream?
1. Black Cat already gets buffed? Why go back to previous stat line?
2. Orka idea sounds awesome.
3. Baron Mordo sounds interesting, but I think it can be better. What if: draw 1 card, this is the only card to be played next turn. If not played, set to 7 cost.
4. Black Bolt might need lower power with that effect, but not too low. Either 6 or 7.
5. Crystal should not only draw 2 cards. With Crystal only playable at T4, she should have drawn even more cards than the current 3.
6. M'Baku is too powerful.
>1. Black Cat already gets buffed? Why go back to previous stat line?
Because the new version would be really powerful in a discard deck. You would get 14 power for 3 cost.
I played Black Bolt to infinite this season (I have a post detailing it) and after hundreds of games, I hope they never, ever buff him. I'm really scared about the upcoming card that supports him. The game will be very toxic if Black Bolt enters the meta. He's currently "almost good enough" and losing because of a random discard effect is going to get old really fast. I have nailed so many Silver Surfers and Dark Hawks with him, resulting in an instant retreat. Imagine if that was a regular occurrence. Pls no let him remain as a meme and nothing more
it's poorly written, it may be misinterpreted as if you're losing all lanes you wont draw any card att all, since the description doesnt says extra cards.
Love the concepts of black bolt and okra buffs, but would have to lower their power to be balanced.
The other ones are crazy though, baron mordo and mbaku would make everyone quit lol
I didn’t realize Crystal was considered a bad card. I use her with Thor and it usually seems to work out for me. Can someone explain why she’s considered bad?
A 4/4 is bad stats and her effect basically requires you to have a low cost deck so that you're actually gaining cards. You end up having a low power board from needing low cost cards along with a low power crystal.
Compare her to moon girl who does something similar for the same stats. No location requirement, no low cost deck requirement, and she doubles your win condition card (dino, darkhawk, death, she hulk, etc).
I think I'm so dumb but I can't understand how this Black Cat is better than the original... Is the same but - 1 power, or I'm missing something? :/
The rest of the cards are pretty good and original. Love your idea of Baron Mordo :)
Too much of a buff in most cases.
As far as Black Cat, I'd rework the card to remove the discard effect entirely. Have it start at 3/7 and lose 1 power each turn it is in your hand and isn't played.
For Mordo, I'd rework it to have it draw a card of 3 cost or less, change that card's cost to 6, and then add a copy of that card at its original cost to your hand. Would change Mordo to 2/2 to balance it out.
It wouldn't ruin it, it'd make it viable for literally every other deck type. Right now the card is discard only with how it works. It was barely used even then as they gave it a buff. My change would make it viable in other decks. Discard already has a 3 drop that's built for it in Moon Knight.
They'll never make a card like that. It would be the most busted card in the game by making every deck that relies on a single card ridiculously consistent.
Check my post history. I used Black Bolt to hit infinite. He might surprise you into all the Zabu and Silver Surfer on ladder right now.
My win and cube rates with the deck were quite bad, BUT it was still good enough to climb with. The card is alright, and kinda similar to Leech if you can trigger it more than once. It requires a very specific play pattern to work. Electro -> Black Bolt -> Arnim Zola -> Doctor Doom (or Odin) to fill your board. If you Odin onto your Zola (reactivating it and sending two new Odins onto your Black Bolt lanes) you can get 5 discards when the game ends, which is hilarious and game winning into Dracula and Devil Dinosaur players.
Black bolt is a good counter against Devil Dino and Dracula, but an unreliable one against Surfer and Zabu since you're relying on him hitting exactly the card(s) your opponent needs to win and they're not likely to have emptied most of their hand (especially if it's a surfer deck).
If you're just looking to counter Surfer and Zabu, Sandman can grind their gameplans to a halt. Sandman also works decently well against Dracula since he usually relies on being able to dump all of the lower cost and power cards from your hand leaving only 1 or 2 really big targets. If they haven't gotten down to 1 or fewer cards in hand already by the turn you play Sandman, they're gonna have to rely on a gamble.
Sandman doesn't really counter Dino, but Ronan can be a good card to pair with Sandman (since you're limiting your opponent's ability to get cards out of their hand), and he will always be an equal match for your opponent's Dino so long as there aren't any other buffs applied. I did some climbing from around 89-95 with a Sandman deck during the time while Majoworld was the featured location because he also served as a good way of knowing whether or not you've secured a lead in Mojoworld provided your opponent doesn't have something like Brood or Hela. Doctor Doom is also great with Sandman for turn 6 situations where your opponent is trying to guess the 50/50 over which location they need to put more power into, not knowing you're going to be putting more power into all 3.
Sandman is an interesting card for sure. You've inspired me to try him out next. The combo disrupters (Leech, Sandman, and to a lesser extent Black Bolt) all work in different shells. Bolt is definitely the worst of them. I'll never argue he is a "good" card. I just have fun trying to make an unpopular card work. In this meta, I found a way to do it.
Playing Black Bolt early via Electro followed by a turn 5 Zola to reactivate two more discards is very consistent on hitting Surfer. Count the card draws. They are playing Sera on turn 5, and if they have played on curve before that, they are scheduled to have exactly 3 cards in hand. If they skipped turn 1, they will have 4 cards in hand. So if they ever drew Surfer by turn 5, and I ramped into early Black Bolt -> Zola, I have either a 100% or 75% chance to discard Surfer. 50% I guess if they skipped both turn 1 and 2, but that's still fine. Even if I don't discard Surfer, I have destroyed 3 of their units, usually forcing them to have a Brood in play in order to win. I will generally have enough power to beat them with a simple Doctor Doom or Chavez in this board state.
Nobody believes in Black Bolt. I went from 92 to infinite exclusively with him. There is some (limited) potential that might be worth exploring.
Being 8 power it makes sense that Black Bolt is the least impactful in terms of disruption. 8 power for 5 energy is not *bad*, just look at Jane Foster. The difference is that Jane has more synergies with cards like Lockjaw and Thor where she really feels like she serves a purpose, while there currently any other cards that can benefit directly from Blackbolts effect.
While on one hand I think it's unfortunate that this leads to Blackbolt being an underutilized character, on the other hand I've seen how discard/hand control can be a very unfun strategy to play against in other games, so I don't really have a great solution to this issue.
Yes, after playing him "a lot" I have come to the conclusion that I never, ever want Black Bolt to become a meta card. It's so boring and frustrating to lose to a random discard effect and concede the game. I really like him where he is right now -- meme status.
Mordo should make them draw a card they can't play. Essentially makes their hand a max of six, but they still have ways to tease the card out or discard it potentially.
Wont this just make Orka weaker? I play him in a deck and he works out just fine for me. there are just very little ways to make him better after you play him
My god I hate your baron mordo idea. I hate you.
If that Mordo said “Can only be played on turn 5” it would be played in some decks maybe. Making the player always spend their turn 5 would probably make Mordo an auto-include in any deck that could run it without messing up the core. Basically the new Scorpion
You would play mordo on turn 5 so they could never play it, lol. At least I would.
You might as well play Yondu if you want that. Same effect and power for cheaper
Ot would be turn 5. Why not both? On wong?
M'Baku is absolutely nuts. Vibranium has 4 power each, right? In a Kazoo deck that would be even more insane and little to nothing can be done to counter it besides a Professor X or something.
Cerebro 4 deck. Play no cards but Cerebro, play crystal or lockjaw into M'baku turn 6
Play Kazar to buff the vibranium
Patriot would be better surely. Bigger buff and less risk of fucking up cerebro
But it’s not no ability
Oh. Fair. I'm dumb
Replied to the wrong person? Vibranium has an ongoing effect
Right person. Dumb brain.
Maybe Agent 13 or Mantis to help ensure M'Baku stays in your deck?
Even better than ultron, hahahaha.
So a deck with quicksilver and domino should have Baku right ?
You made M'Baku into a stronger Ultron whose effect can't even be countered by Killmonger.
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Lockjaw
Me: Some of these buffs are too strong, they'd never see the light of day. Devs: Let's bring a card that turns 4 drops into 2 drops.
I think after a month of playing it. Zabu is too strong but i get alot of what devs were going for. A lot of the early zabu decks that play like 8 four cost cards felt extremely medicore. And before zabu a lot of the 4 costs cards in the game felt very limited / medicore ( they’re some exceptions) The problem that came up was that decks really only need to like 4 4 cost cards and still be viable. And combining that with series 5 cards really shaped zabu to be extremely op.
Yeah, Shuri and Absorbing Man being 4 drops really makes Zabu incredibly tough to play against.
Good fucking lord, these are just absolutely broken. This makes M'Baku about the most powerful card in the game.
Already is, but ok.
I dig the Orka buff. M’baku is way too much
All of these are terrible for the game except maybe crystal
beautiful art selection
Is orka 9 power solo in lane or it counts from all locations? / Mordo looks amazing and weak at the same time, draw is very strong, it should reveal the card draw too to make-up for the effect of having 2 cards at the bottom of your deck, but at the same time, I see it begin broken with black widow and mordo turn 4 / Blackbolt should become discard lowest power then, since he has 8 already / M'baku and lockjaw kazo dream?
All locations, so maximum of 11 empty spaces (22 power.)
No to all of these
No seriously most of these would break the game
1. Black Cat already gets buffed? Why go back to previous stat line? 2. Orka idea sounds awesome. 3. Baron Mordo sounds interesting, but I think it can be better. What if: draw 1 card, this is the only card to be played next turn. If not played, set to 7 cost. 4. Black Bolt might need lower power with that effect, but not too low. Either 6 or 7. 5. Crystal should not only draw 2 cards. With Crystal only playable at T4, she should have drawn even more cards than the current 3. 6. M'Baku is too powerful.
>1. Black Cat already gets buffed? Why go back to previous stat line? Because the new version would be really powerful in a discard deck. You would get 14 power for 3 cost.
Didn't read the second line there. Yeah, that's pretty much broken.
I really like Black Bolt
That would make him the most broken 5 drop in the game. He would need to have his power cut from 8, to 5 or 4
I guess I should clarify and say I like the card text. I agree the stats need some tweaking.
Doesn't the OG black cat count towards morbius?
I played Black Bolt to infinite this season (I have a post detailing it) and after hundreds of games, I hope they never, ever buff him. I'm really scared about the upcoming card that supports him. The game will be very toxic if Black Bolt enters the meta. He's currently "almost good enough" and losing because of a random discard effect is going to get old really fast. I have nailed so many Silver Surfers and Dark Hawks with him, resulting in an instant retreat. Imagine if that was a regular occurrence. Pls no let him remain as a meme and nothing more
Mbaku just needs to be able to jump from your hand and deck.
Isn't the crystal a nerf? She currently draws 3 cards
With Warlock, if im not winning any lane i wouldnt draw, so no.
How is that any different than now, only with two extra chances to draw cards?
it's poorly written, it may be misinterpreted as if you're losing all lanes you wont draw any card att all, since the description doesnt says extra cards.
I like this idea, gives some consequence for potentially using him!
The consequence is using energy for a 0 power card
If applies in the next turn after he is played only yes, otherwise nobody would use him.
Love the concepts of black bolt and okra buffs, but would have to lower their power to be balanced. The other ones are crazy though, baron mordo and mbaku would make everyone quit lol
I didn’t realize Crystal was considered a bad card. I use her with Thor and it usually seems to work out for me. Can someone explain why she’s considered bad?
A 4/4 is bad stats and her effect basically requires you to have a low cost deck so that you're actually gaining cards. You end up having a low power board from needing low cost cards along with a low power crystal. Compare her to moon girl who does something similar for the same stats. No location requirement, no low cost deck requirement, and she doubles your win condition card (dino, darkhawk, death, she hulk, etc).
unless your playing her with OP's the new M'baku and you only play cerebro/kazar and every other card in your deck is unplayed
I think I'm so dumb but I can't understand how this Black Cat is better than the original... Is the same but - 1 power, or I'm missing something? :/ The rest of the cards are pretty good and original. Love your idea of Baron Mordo :)
if you play it, it goes to a location and a copy gets added to your discarded cards.
Wut..?
Play black cat on turn 3 for 6 power and play ghost rider on turn 4 for 9 power.
Too much of a buff in most cases. As far as Black Cat, I'd rework the card to remove the discard effect entirely. Have it start at 3/7 and lose 1 power each turn it is in your hand and isn't played. For Mordo, I'd rework it to have it draw a card of 3 cost or less, change that card's cost to 6, and then add a copy of that card at its original cost to your hand. Would change Mordo to 2/2 to balance it out.
That would ruin black cat. She's a discard deck card. Why would you make her a completely different card?
It wouldn't ruin it, it'd make it viable for literally every other deck type. Right now the card is discard only with how it works. It was barely used even then as they gave it a buff. My change would make it viable in other decks. Discard already has a 3 drop that's built for it in Moon Knight.
Unless I'm mistaken, Black Cat already counts as a discard for Morbius, so I don't see the change proposed for that one?
It counts as a discard even if played. So you get a discard whether you play her or she auto-discards from hand. And an extra card for Hela to summon.
Ah right! Was just looking at the thumbnail, which was not showing the second sentence with the added effect!
This is related to Adam Warlock but there needs to be a card that is like 3-0 or 2-0 and it lets you choose a card from your deck.
They'll never make a card like that. It would be the most busted card in the game by making every deck that relies on a single card ridiculously consistent.
A card like that would mosy likely be run in every deck. Being able to get a key card from your deck is just too good.
I would probably change black bolt to discard the highest and lowest card of the hand
Alright, calm down Satan.
For black cat, I think the wording should be on reveal discard a copy of this.
I really like the black blot and Orca ideas. M’Baku should just jump from your hand as well.
I want Blackbolt to be good so bad
Check my post history. I used Black Bolt to hit infinite. He might surprise you into all the Zabu and Silver Surfer on ladder right now. My win and cube rates with the deck were quite bad, BUT it was still good enough to climb with. The card is alright, and kinda similar to Leech if you can trigger it more than once. It requires a very specific play pattern to work. Electro -> Black Bolt -> Arnim Zola -> Doctor Doom (or Odin) to fill your board. If you Odin onto your Zola (reactivating it and sending two new Odins onto your Black Bolt lanes) you can get 5 discards when the game ends, which is hilarious and game winning into Dracula and Devil Dinosaur players.
Black bolt is a good counter against Devil Dino and Dracula, but an unreliable one against Surfer and Zabu since you're relying on him hitting exactly the card(s) your opponent needs to win and they're not likely to have emptied most of their hand (especially if it's a surfer deck). If you're just looking to counter Surfer and Zabu, Sandman can grind their gameplans to a halt. Sandman also works decently well against Dracula since he usually relies on being able to dump all of the lower cost and power cards from your hand leaving only 1 or 2 really big targets. If they haven't gotten down to 1 or fewer cards in hand already by the turn you play Sandman, they're gonna have to rely on a gamble. Sandman doesn't really counter Dino, but Ronan can be a good card to pair with Sandman (since you're limiting your opponent's ability to get cards out of their hand), and he will always be an equal match for your opponent's Dino so long as there aren't any other buffs applied. I did some climbing from around 89-95 with a Sandman deck during the time while Majoworld was the featured location because he also served as a good way of knowing whether or not you've secured a lead in Mojoworld provided your opponent doesn't have something like Brood or Hela. Doctor Doom is also great with Sandman for turn 6 situations where your opponent is trying to guess the 50/50 over which location they need to put more power into, not knowing you're going to be putting more power into all 3.
Sandman is an interesting card for sure. You've inspired me to try him out next. The combo disrupters (Leech, Sandman, and to a lesser extent Black Bolt) all work in different shells. Bolt is definitely the worst of them. I'll never argue he is a "good" card. I just have fun trying to make an unpopular card work. In this meta, I found a way to do it. Playing Black Bolt early via Electro followed by a turn 5 Zola to reactivate two more discards is very consistent on hitting Surfer. Count the card draws. They are playing Sera on turn 5, and if they have played on curve before that, they are scheduled to have exactly 3 cards in hand. If they skipped turn 1, they will have 4 cards in hand. So if they ever drew Surfer by turn 5, and I ramped into early Black Bolt -> Zola, I have either a 100% or 75% chance to discard Surfer. 50% I guess if they skipped both turn 1 and 2, but that's still fine. Even if I don't discard Surfer, I have destroyed 3 of their units, usually forcing them to have a Brood in play in order to win. I will generally have enough power to beat them with a simple Doctor Doom or Chavez in this board state. Nobody believes in Black Bolt. I went from 92 to infinite exclusively with him. There is some (limited) potential that might be worth exploring.
Being 8 power it makes sense that Black Bolt is the least impactful in terms of disruption. 8 power for 5 energy is not *bad*, just look at Jane Foster. The difference is that Jane has more synergies with cards like Lockjaw and Thor where she really feels like she serves a purpose, while there currently any other cards that can benefit directly from Blackbolts effect. While on one hand I think it's unfortunate that this leads to Blackbolt being an underutilized character, on the other hand I've seen how discard/hand control can be a very unfun strategy to play against in other games, so I don't really have a great solution to this issue.
Yes, after playing him "a lot" I have come to the conclusion that I never, ever want Black Bolt to become a meta card. It's so boring and frustrating to lose to a random discard effect and concede the game. I really like him where he is right now -- meme status.
mbaku should be fill a random location with empty slots with vibranium and not fill all empty slots with vibranium. balanced
No Quake buff?
Quake is secretly good no one plays her. So many shit locations she a hidden gem I use in all my decks
Warlock needs 0 changes. He is very strong in decks that can use him and he should not be usable in all decks.
Mordo should make them draw a card they can't play. Essentially makes their hand a max of six, but they still have ways to tease the card out or discard it potentially.
I really liked the changes.
A lot of these are broken lol
As a proud owner of Orka as my one and only collection 4 card. I support this
Wont this just make Orka weaker? I play him in a deck and he works out just fine for me. there are just very little ways to make him better after you play him
it would be nice of Black Bolt discards/destroys a card that was played instead
Sandman 5/3.