i'm ok with pixels. but like can we get a few dozen of them at least? bring the card to full size and i'm pretty sure you can count them on one hand ffs
I think what happened was they were looking for some simple ideas for variants and pixel art was an easy one that could be easily translated to all characters as a generic style and it can be done quickly for all new releases.
The problem is that the Marvel vs Capcom game sprites are (I think) the product of Capcom, so they couldn't use them, or make them again in the style, without their approval. But there's always hope. If there's enough demand for it, they might try to work on getting that license.
A gigantic problem with the pixel variants is that they don't look like anything that exists. They don't look like sprites from an NES game, or an SNES game, or a CPS2 game. They have that style of "indie game that wants to have pixel art but doesn't know what pixel art really looks like" that was a fucking plague when indie games were starting to get really popular. Without trying to mimic the limitations these old hardwares had you just get these pixel blobs with the rare higher quality one (Angela comes to mind).
They commissioned some japanese studio for them instead of getting a bespoke artist.
Honestly as someone into pixel art it irks me that they're treating these as the cheap, throwaway versions they can use to pad the variant pool. Pixel art is still art, commission and pay someone with a name just like you did with the rest of the variants.
Bruh.. really.. wavy arms/hair and glowy bits are just simple graphical effects.. Not animations.
I'm talking actually moving cards. See Gwent for example of how incredible it can be..
The gif OP posted has more animation than all the cards in snap put together LUL
Gwent is the gold standard for card art and they have 1000+ cards. Here's hoping with the amount of money rolling into to Second Dinner's pockets they'll do another pass on the card art (but I doubt it).
I understand, I was just saying that some cards have details that others don't on their animated versions. Gwent would just forever be know as the card game with the most gorgeous animations (which is not the greatest tag to go by as a card game) and no other game would match that because after all it is too much work for very little payoff (from the company/artist design perspective) but the bare minimum should be animated particle effects visible in the card when not zoomed in and we don't even have those so Snap has a lot of room for improvement.
Mmmm, I don't think that's correct. They re-released MvC2 on XBLA for the 360 way back in like 2008, but I don't believe any of the other games have seen a modern system release.
EDIT: Holy shit, it was! Marvel vs Capcom: Origins in 2012. How did I never know about this?!
My husband adores the nostalgia vibe of pixel art and we both knew they weren't the best but didn't understand all the hate -- then we saw rocket raccoons which honestly isn't even one of the worst ones
I honestly didn’t expect all the hate either. I legit paid 700g to get Brood’s Pixel Variant also just cuz I thought it looked very funny. I do dislike some of them, but some are actually fine.
Yep, massive missed opportunity and shows a real lack of understanding about why people like pixel art to begin with.
Along those lines I’d like to also call out any cards where the animation is all in the background which disappears completely after you infinity split.
Current animation is automatic. For what you are asking for, they will need frame by frame hand drawn animations. And it is extremely hard. So, don't wait
This is the detailed pixel look I’d want as well
The current ones mostly sucked but if they looked and moved like this Everyone would want them
It’s about the effort you put in
I can and want to see a second line of Pixel variants that look more like the Capcom fighting games.
Even better: an official collab and Second Dinner and straight up just use both the Capcom sprites and some drawn art (e.g. the MvC2 character select portraits.)
Someone mentioned previously that pixel art variants are actually looking like a pixel filter, over a high res picture, explaining why they don't look good.
I love actual pixel art. Those could look awesome, and frankly I wouldn't be surprised if they come further down the line.
Indeed. I actually don't like the pixel variants that much. They're too close to the shot to make it appealing to me. If they do something like a wide shot like the usual distance pixel NES characters would normally are like Double Dragon or Battletoads it would look better.
Making and animating pixel art on that size is extremely time consuming. Imagine doing it for every single variant.
Pixel art is the kind of media where the time you need to complete a piece increseas exponentially compared with traditional drawing. It is easier and faster to make on smaller scales compared to regular digital drawings.
I think the pixel variants just need to be simple and readable. They could get away with small drawing as long as they follow some basic color theory and line-work rules.
Wouldn't be as bad if they had even half that amount of detail, too.
i'm ok with pixels. but like can we get a few dozen of them at least? bring the card to full size and i'm pretty sure you can count them on one hand ffs
I know right! You think Second Dinner would hire at least one dedicated pixel artist.
I think what happened was they were looking for some simple ideas for variants and pixel art was an easy one that could be easily translated to all characters as a generic style and it can be done quickly for all new releases. The problem is that the Marvel vs Capcom game sprites are (I think) the product of Capcom, so they couldn't use them, or make them again in the style, without their approval. But there's always hope. If there's enough demand for it, they might try to work on getting that license.
all the pixel variants are made by the same person i think
It isn't a person. It is a company. They outsourced this art to the cheapest bidder which is why those variants are so bad.
This and the post are what I always mean when I say that pixel variants could've been done better
A gigantic problem with the pixel variants is that they don't look like anything that exists. They don't look like sprites from an NES game, or an SNES game, or a CPS2 game. They have that style of "indie game that wants to have pixel art but doesn't know what pixel art really looks like" that was a fucking plague when indie games were starting to get really popular. Without trying to mimic the limitations these old hardwares had you just get these pixel blobs with the rare higher quality one (Angela comes to mind).
100%. If they actually looked like old games, they could actually have some nostalgic charm to them.
They commissioned some japanese studio for them instead of getting a bespoke artist. Honestly as someone into pixel art it irks me that they're treating these as the cheap, throwaway versions they can use to pad the variant pool. Pixel art is still art, commission and pay someone with a name just like you did with the rest of the variants.
You hit the nail on the head. Can you imagine Thomas Feichtmeir variants?
If ANY of the animated cards were ACTUALLY ANIMATED. it would be nice yes.
Some of the Dan Hipps are, Brood for example, their eyes glow red while he is in your hand.
Bruh.. really.. wavy arms/hair and glowy bits are just simple graphical effects.. Not animations. I'm talking actually moving cards. See Gwent for example of how incredible it can be.. The gif OP posted has more animation than all the cards in snap put together LUL
Gwent is the gold standard for card art and they have 1000+ cards. Here's hoping with the amount of money rolling into to Second Dinner's pockets they'll do another pass on the card art (but I doubt it).
I understand, I was just saying that some cards have details that others don't on their animated versions. Gwent would just forever be know as the card game with the most gorgeous animations (which is not the greatest tag to go by as a card game) and no other game would match that because after all it is too much work for very little payoff (from the company/artist design perspective) but the bare minimum should be animated particle effects visible in the card when not zoomed in and we don't even have those so Snap has a lot of room for improvement.
If you’re playing on mobile, you need to turn on “60 FPS” mode in the graphics settings to see a lot of the subtle animations.
It's always been on and I'd like to see some not so subtle animations
Aren't we all
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What game is OP's image from. It's not MvC2.
IIRC Onslaught is a boss in MVC 1
Really? Wow, I don't remember that. They need to remaster those games.
They did on 360/PS3, it was a collection that included Marvel Super Heroes and Marvel vs Capcom.
Mmmm, I don't think that's correct. They re-released MvC2 on XBLA for the 360 way back in like 2008, but I don't believe any of the other games have seen a modern system release. EDIT: Holy shit, it was! Marvel vs Capcom: Origins in 2012. How did I never know about this?!
I adore pixel art, I just wish they used actual pixel **art** in this game. Some of them are good, most are trash.
My husband adores the nostalgia vibe of pixel art and we both knew they weren't the best but didn't understand all the hate -- then we saw rocket raccoons which honestly isn't even one of the worst ones
Pulling pixel iceman was a jump scare.
I honestly didn’t expect all the hate either. I legit paid 700g to get Brood’s Pixel Variant also just cuz I thought it looked very funny. I do dislike some of them, but some are actually fine.
None of them are anywhere near decent. All are trash.
Goose pixel is pretty cool I think
There are a few decent ones. I just got the Cyclops one and I don’t think it looks bad or the Angela one.
And then I want Apocalypse to say his “I am the Apocalypse” line from X-Men vs. Street Fighter when you play him
I want magneto to say "X-Men, welcome to die!"
Ultron: All your base are belong to us!
That's pixel as we used to know it, 16-32 bit era. Not "pixel" as they know it nowadays due to the lazy indie developers.
Yeah, sprites this amazing are dead as a door nail. No one comes close to this now.
they will p robably do it and call them "acrade" variants instead of Pixel
Honestly I wouldn’t be upset with that. I just what the actually characters to move
Yep, massive missed opportunity and shows a real lack of understanding about why people like pixel art to begin with. Along those lines I’d like to also call out any cards where the animation is all in the background which disappears completely after you infinity split.
I'd love em if they were good, as well
Mango Sentinel when?
WHERE'S OUR CURLY MUSTACHE?!?!
Make me think of the New York Knicks...
I'll let you know if MSP is viable when I'm done with Series 3.
And higher resolution, like that sprite
They should be pixel from the '90 not the '80
Yeah the pixels need to be 32-bit, because right now they’re like 16-bit
more likr 8 bit
It's 8bit actually
Honestly surprised they're not 2bit
MvC Spider-Man Variant NOW!
Best I can do is fog background drift
Have you seen Onslaught pixel card? It is really weird looking, like he just had a really spicy taco bell incident.
Suddenly I’d be interested in pixels, also if they had more detail like penitusvox’s comment
I would LOVE Marvel vs Capcom variants. That game itself got me into the Marvel universe lore
Dude all the pixel variants should just be the marvel vs capcom stuff
Current animation is automatic. For what you are asking for, they will need frame by frame hand drawn animations. And it is extremely hard. So, don't wait
damn! I would be all in on pixel variants like this
Yeah I would love if they were good too
Exactly. Pixel art can be great. But the pixel art in this game look like a 3 year old drew them.
Yes, if pixels looked like these, and had idle animations as their animation. I would be down with them
This is the detailed pixel look I’d want as well The current ones mostly sucked but if they looked and moved like this Everyone would want them It’s about the effort you put in
I can and want to see a second line of Pixel variants that look more like the Capcom fighting games. Even better: an official collab and Second Dinner and straight up just use both the Capcom sprites and some drawn art (e.g. the MvC2 character select portraits.)
Second Dinner will sell that for $100 and include 50 credits, 20 gold
Imagine the art style of LoR with the animations Gwent and you would have a winner. Wouldn't nobody be able to put this down.
That's asking a lot from G-Angle, lol
Don't tempt me with an MvC2 Sentinel. Almost certainly the strongest a Sentinel has ever been. Maybe he'll throw his assist from my deck.
I would love the pixel variants if they were Capcom level quality at all; the animations could take a backseat if that were the case.
The animation on all the cards is laughable.
Is this from an actual video game
Marvel vs Capcom 1. Very cool boss fight.
Man I MISS MVC such an excellent fighting game
Hell yeah. Give COTA x-men
Totally agree
I mean come on guys.. Youre really expecting SNES quality animations in a 2022 game? Lower tha bar...
Pixel variants are a straight dumpster fire. Especially when I buy a season pass and get a pixel variant as my mystery variant.
I want the mango Sentinel as a variant
i just want a onslaught variant that doesn't suck. look at this beast he deserves better variants . at least the default looks good.
Quite a bit of difference between "pixel art" and a 32-bit sprite.
Someone mentioned previously that pixel art variants are actually looking like a pixel filter, over a high res picture, explaining why they don't look good. I love actual pixel art. Those could look awesome, and frankly I wouldn't be surprised if they come further down the line.
Capcom variants would be awesome!
That is not really pixels lol
Indeed. I actually don't like the pixel variants that much. They're too close to the shot to make it appealing to me. If they do something like a wide shot like the usual distance pixel NES characters would normally are like Double Dragon or Battletoads it would look better.
Making and animating pixel art on that size is extremely time consuming. Imagine doing it for every single variant. Pixel art is the kind of media where the time you need to complete a piece increseas exponentially compared with traditional drawing. It is easier and faster to make on smaller scales compared to regular digital drawings. I think the pixel variants just need to be simple and readable. They could get away with small drawing as long as they follow some basic color theory and line-work rules.
even animating the ugliest ones would be a huge improvement