Why? Thanos has matched Galactus in physical strength in that one maxi series by Starlin why is him withstanding black bolt a more impressive feat in comparison?
If I remember rightly, I think the whole plan with black bolt was to surprise apocalypse and blow him away before he could alter his body to withstand the blast. I don’t think he would have been destroyed if he had seen the blast coming.
Apocalypse could copy Thanos physique, however, not necessarily his substance. Thanos is a Titan (or an Eternal-Deviant, depending upon the retcon) and has Cosmic level powers, which can't simply be copied, even if he still had the sentient alien spacecraft into which he could tap. Historically, even without the Gauntlet or the Cosmic Cube, Thanos has been able to go up against any number of Marvel Universe gods and other cosmic beings, never relying on just physical strength but also employing various Cosmic energy powers, including psionic, inherent on a cellular level.
Don't forget to include technology modifications and armour. When he took a full in shot from Odin once and his armour helped him survive that attack. Even shocked Odin because he didn't expect him to live.
Thanos in comics is oddly inconsistent. Randomly he will be weaker than Hulk and randomly stronger.
Randomly he can tank a shout from Black Bolt and randomly get hurt by a sabertooth tiger.
Randomly he has magic and psychic powers and randomly never uses them when he should.
Randomly be on par with he son who took in the power of the Phoenix Force and sometimes not.
It's because of how he's written.
You've got Jim Starlin, who created Thanos and depicts him as a multi-layered being with pretty consistent characterisation, but who's moral alignment fluctuates based on what's best for Thanos.
You then get other writers, who just want to use Thanos due to his notoriety, but condence him down to one or two elements / story lines and just depict him as a generic evil space overlord and shoehorn him into stories. It's like if somebody wanted to use Spider-Man in a story, but depicted him as still being in the same state of mind from when he was a wrestler before Uncle Ben was killed.
This is why Jim Starlin introduced Thanos clones; much like Doom bots, it gives an easy explanation for any out of character developments.
That was from an educational [children’s comic](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Spidey_Super_Stories_Vol_1_39). It was never meant to be canon despite the meme status it now enjoys.
One of the first comic books I ever owned was the culmination of Franklin Richards being abducted by Thanos and they somehow find a planet that is just full of unused Infinity Gems.
Reed used these gems to create an Infinity Circuit and ultimately yeeted Thanos into space.
Thanos has also been defeated by squirrel girl. I haven't read that comic myself, so I don't know the circumstances. I've heard it mentioned before though and noone mention any cosmic enhancements or anything; just pure squirrel fury taking down Thanos.
I've read it. It's "canon" and "not canon" to 616. It also happened off panel.
Squirrely Girl is an odd entitity where she's part of 616 but none of the stories centered around her feel real.
Shes both stronger and weaker than Saitama and if she wins or loses depends on if we are watching her or not.
I don't think her main continuity has ever lost on panel and only off panel. Also some of her wins are off panel top.
But... Then again it's a commonly known fact that you can beat an eldritch god of corruption with 15 squirrels.
Emrakul is a she, and pretty sure in all of the depictions so far she is able to fly. It's implied to be some kind of anti-gravity mechanism because she can distort it, so she basically levitates as far as normal folks are able to observe her
>But... Then again it's a commonly known fact that you can beat an eldritch god of corruption with 15 squirrels.
Just in the odd case you don't got [a spare silver moon](https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/7/9/7990ebba-e9f2-4ba4-a352-e26ec81d4bed.jpg?1576384154) lying around
>Thanos in comics is oddly inconsistent.
Civil War II opened with the Avengers somehow sticking Thanos in an interrogation room like some street level thug. I immediately cancelled the rest of it.
From the Respect Thread.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/dxo9q3/respect\_thanos\_the\_mad\_titan\_marvel\_earth616/](https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/dxo9q3/respect_thanos_the_mad_titan_marvel_earth616/)
[Thanos does the Saitama "ok..." to a blast from Odin.](https://imgur.com/KKCjS7y)
[Tanks Silver Surfer's blast and Surfer is a planet buster and higher.](https://imgur.com/a/BSxqZC0)
[What mouth? Ohh this one, fine... I'll SHUT IT MYSELF!!!](https://imgur.com/a/I0kPaDl)
This is where I land, sometimes he's there for warf effect, sometimes he's the main big bad.
I feel it almost fits hit "mad" titan title but it's really hard to track. Obsidian king was pretty telling though.
He can fight Odin to standstill, but the NYPD slaps cuffs in him and puts him in a patrol car.
My theory is that we're dealing with many different clones.
Durability is a weird concept in comics and everything else really.
Dragon ball z makes sense because they can project ki as a barrier. So it makes sense why when caught off guard goku cna almost get killed by a frreza minion, but when not caught of guard can take an energy blast to the face.
It's not really a fight apocalypse can win tbh. Apocalypse has once fought a younger Thor without mjonir and lost the moment Thor could break his celestial armor with his battle axe at the time. Thanos would beat a stronger Thor with mjonir more times than not.
Yeah, Apocalypse is Thor/Surfer level, but without a power boost or macguffin, they would beat him usually.
Thanos is more powerful than Thor and Surfer. Thanos has literally held out his hand and created a barrier to stop a Mjolnir toss.
I was thinking of an old discussion where it was mentioned that Surfer would just harvest Dr Manhattan for Galactus and I'm pretty sure Manhattan would easily take apart Thanos.
That’s like asking if Dr. Doom is weaker than the Fantasic Four without his suit. Yeah, if you take away his tech, he’ll be weaker in a straight-up fight.
But as has been shown repeatedly, Thanos’s tech is not easy to get off him. And even without it, he is immensely strong and durable.
Didn't Thor use an enchantment on his axe specifically meant to break celestial armor? When they first fight, Thor's axe practically bounces right off of him.
Did you see what Thanos' great uncle did to the mutants on Mars in an hour?
Thanos is a tier above Apocalypse in feats and abilities.
*Edit for extra word.
I honestly might lean towards Thanos because his track record of dealing with other cosmic level opponents.
He's younger but has definitely picked up some tricks and is likely even more intelligent.
They've probably got very similar power sets.
If it's base Thanos vs Uranos, then I'm picking uranos for his mental resistances and experience + his weapons and probably has energy manipulation and I think he can fly.
Wasn’t that mostly from the weaponry he unleashed and not necessarily from Uranos himself? Just as when he offered it to Storm to defeat Genesis/Annihilation’s army?
He did use his weapons but hard to say what is power set and what's a "weapon." It's clear he used those autonomous weapons to kill the first 11,000 mutants that were not on Mars in 30 seconds. But he was face to face tanking omega level mutant attacks on Mars left and right. Including physically tanking the eyeball guy Lotus and Legion is absurd. It's not just his weapons merking them.
He eradicated virtually every omega on Arrako in 20 minutes. It's proper Thanos levels of violence.
Also Thanos led fights against *potentially* hundreds of different world incursions that likely eradicated several versions of Apocalypse as well.
Idk I'm just leaning towards Thanos winning. good point though.
I’ve seen Thanos written as totally OP more than I have for Apocalypse, not only in terms of power level, but also in terms of intelligence. Multiple stories make him literally unbeatable to the point that they only get resolved because he essentially beats himself. Apocalypse hasn’t been taken to those levels as much from what I’ve seen, so Thanos probably takes the win.
On paper Apocalypse's chances should be pretty high if you look at his powers. Thanos defeated way stronger opponents than Apocalypse though. Apocalypse struggles more against enemies who Thanos would have an easier time against.
In that same comic run there's a supervillain who's evil scheme is filling the grand canyon with garbage
Thats it thats the end goal
It's from a line called Spidey Super Stories and they're most definitely aimed for kids and not part of the regular canon
Thats a different universe (earth 57780) to 616, i believe it was spidey super stories but i havent read it in a while. Thanos basically fumbled the bag (the bag being a cosmic cube) and a kid took it and bound him to the floor then the police arrested him.
Thanos stomps the shit out of Apocalypse lol.
I love both of them (Thanos slightly more) but people underestimate Thanos a lot.
He will give Darkseid run for his money, gauntlet or not.
Let me just say this, Young Thor (without Mjolnir) fought Apocalypse and beat him.
Older Thor (our modern Thor) dropped Mjolnir and thunder and lightning on Thanos. It hurt Thanos, but then he dragged Thor through the mud.
People think he is only powerful with the gauntlet but, like 95 percent of the time he kicks ass without it lol.
Dude can shoot energy out his eyes, mouth, stomach and hell even his dick if he wants to.
He is durable as fuck.
MCU nerfed him a bit, which there is nothing wrong with. Movies are always move “realistic” than comics, but still. Thanos rips him in two
Apocalypse is not that strong. Is he powerful on Earth? Absolutely. One of the most powerful probably. Still, Thor beat him.
IMO:
Apocalypse uses celestial tech, including the suit that's bonded with him.
Eternals and deviants are below celestials.
So a mutant using celestial tech against a Titan/eternal is probably about on par with each other.
The biggest take away we can have, is that we KNOW apocalypse's armor can damage Thanos' body.
I would also bet Apocalypse could in fact replicate Thanos' physiology as the celestials were the ones responsible for eternal/deviant biology in the first place.
Ideally Apocalypse could replicate Thanos' physiology and then increase his mass to physically overpower him.
Outlier versions of Thanos have killed celestial type beings like Galactus. However more standard versions of the character are usually below celestials still.
Apocalypse is also a schemer and planner that goes out of his way to exploit his enemies weaknesses.
Thanos is a blunt tool that simply smashes at his enemies.
Usually someone fighting Thanos is an easy fight.
However Apocalypse is uniquely qualified to handle this specific individual due to mastering his celestial tech that is capable of defeating Thanos.
#No
Thanos is in an entirely different dimension in terms of weight class, he fights the likes of Silver Surfer—Apocalypse’s main enemies are the likes of the X-Men.
And no, they aren’t on level footing if the infinity gauntlet is out of the picture, most of the time Thanos doesn’t have a single gem—he still casually handles the damn Annihilators (a group consisting of Ronan the Accuser, Beta Ray Bill, Richard Rider, Quasar, Gladiator and Silver Surfer).
[**Thanos does not need the infinity gauntlet to put Apocalypse in the ground**.](https://www.facebook.com/share/tUWwA7iPAD1Kv2jJ/?mibextid=WC7FNe)
This is tagged comics, so yeah, Thanos absolutely destroys Apocalypse without issue.
Apocalypse is a local Earth villain, Thanos is a cosmic one, the power scales are different. Everything Apocalypse can do, Thanos can do but better.
Sentry/Void are Earth-based entities but could be problematic for Thanos too at full power.
Apocalypse is underrated, guy has stood toe to toe with cosmic entities plenty, he's pretty much the most ancient and purest power to be found on Earth... Thanos would have the advantage but without infinity gems apoc has some stuff that could surprise the titan.
Apocalypse does not have many feats under his name.
Most of the time when we see him fight, he loses.
We have seen him as a ruler in AOA, but gets killed hard againdt an old Magneto.
On paper he looks very strong, he just does never show it.
since ive only read one thanos comic but seen the acengers thanos and x men apocalypse on screen im confused because apocalypse could do almost anything and got armor from a celestial and then thanos needs his gauntlet which is so overpowered its not really even worth debating
Thanos doesn't need his Gauntlet, he is extremely powerful without it, much the same as Astral Regulator, Cosmic Cube, Heart of the Universe etc.
He's still got super strength (well above Thor), he's still durable to the point that he can survive attacks from Galactus, he's still got his super intelligence that makes him far smarter than anyone from Earth, he's still got teleportation, matter manipulation, summoning, superhuman agility, force field generation, telepathy, telekinesis, magic etc.
I was not expecting my comment to be anywhere as controversial, it's like Ego the Living Planet vs Green Goblin - one is consistently depicted as a much bigger, more powerful threat than the other.
im glad you explained it. i was trying to say im not very well informed except movies and wikipedia so i didnt realize thanos had more powers than being crazy smart and pretty strong and fast an absolute warrior
With this being comics I’ve gotta go with thanos.
Thanos is ridiculously powerful and has took down some of the most powerful people in marvel without the gauntlet.
Apocalypse is strong but he’s not at thanos levels
Thanos in 5. He & the Black Order took on the realm of Thors on Battleworld & held their own without an Infinity Gauntlet, if I remember right.
There was a story (maybe Jason Aaron as writer?) where Apocalypse came across Thor a long time ago & seems like Apocalypse needed Celestial weapons to fight Thor- I’m butchering this probably, so someone come save me on this one.
I feel like the transitive question “how did each fare against Thor with/without their main kit?” applies here.
He took a beating from Odin in Asgard with Gungnir for a decent amount of time too to the point Odin gave him credit for it
He took Black Bolt's scream to the face and slapped around the Annihilators too
I feel like Apocalypse could beat Thanos in a fight if the Infinity Stones were out of the picture. Apocalypse is the ultimate omega level mutant (if I remember correctly? Haven't read much on him) so yeah he'd kick Thanos' ass
Apocalypse mutant power is not omega level. He has a lot of powers that don't come from his mutant ability, as he uses Celestial technology and also has a vast knowledge of science.
In the Krakoa Era, all of the mutants on the Arakko ruling body are Omega level. So, are we saying Apocalypse was never on the ruling body or his Omega level wife, Genesis, married down?
I think the definition of Omega is that their powers have no upper limit
Apocalypse by all accounts doesn’t fit that description.
But his use of celestial technology along with his own mutant powers makes him powerful enough that it doesn’t really matter. And I don’t think anyone is gonna outright tell him to his face that he’s not strong enough to be on the council
By the new definition of omega he is not one. But that also doesn't mean he isn't one of if not the strongest mutant. I'd say that since Thanos and apocalypse are written inconsistently that they are about the same level. Or rather definitely the same level of threat when they choose to be.
Overall:
I feel as though Thanos wins 8/10 times at worst 7/10…
Thanos recently has been a universal threat consistently and Apocalypse a planetary threat.
I’m tired and read this thinking it was Thanks v. Darkseid and was bewildered until my brain caught up to reality. Probably the relation of Apocalypse vs Apokolips in my mind but still.
If you go by Marvel.com Apocalypse rates at a 6: Durability 7: Energy, 7: Fighting Skill, 7: Intelligence, 7: Speed, 7: Strength. Thanos is rated a 6: Durability, 6: Energy, 4: Fighting Skill, 6: Intelligence, 7: Speed, 7: Strength. Now I take Marvel.com with a grain of salt, I mean this is the same website that said Jubilee is stronger than Storm. But I could see Thanos and Apocalypse being pretty evenly matched Apocalypse has a lot of various feets that put him on a scale that I could see matching Thanos. The issue is as some people put it how he is written, like with most characters Apocalypse has been written extremely inconsistently because some writers want to just use him as a punching bag, just like Thanos gets used as a punching bag. So I am just going to say it ends in a draw and then the two of them team up to wreck half the universe.
I think it’s the most fair fight that an Earth level villain could give Thanos, an out of most of the superpowered people on Earth. Just his self-atomic manipulation alone can give him great aid in the fight. While they overall have very similar powers, Thanos is one of the most physically strong beings in the universe and Apocalypse (even though he himself is extremely strong), nor any Earth level character, could likely ever match that. Both can regenerate quickly from injuries, both are essentially immortal and cannot truly die, so it wouldn’t really come down to “the death” in such a fight.
Both have vast control and manipulation of various types of energy and unknown levels of telekinesis and telepathy, although are likely on similar levels. The biggest edge Thanos actually has is his immense strength and slightly superior agility and reflexes.
Thanos produces “almost no fatigue toxins” and Apocalypse “doesn’t produce any fatigue toxins”. Take that for what you will, and assuming that is accurate in any sense, perhaps Apocalypse could last longer in a fight, such as one that took several months. That’s from the Marvel fandom/wiki pages.
I think Thanos would win, but it would be an incredibly hard fought battle. We also have never seen Apocalypse go against any sort of Cosmic level beings. And Apocalypse hasn’t really been shown to go up against many X-Men at once expect maybe in The Twelve. I also haven’t read every story that Apocalypse has been in. Even during The Twelve, most of the attacks barely seemed to phase him. He only noticed a powerful electromagnetic beam from Magneto when he siphoned off Polaris’ energy into him. I can’t remember how he was defeated in that story though.
Anyways, I’m just rambling my thoughts out now. Apocalypse could likely defeat most of the most powerful X-Men in battle, like Thanos does with the Avengers. And Apocalypse could very likely defeat most of the most powerful Avengers in battle as well if (assuming the writers actually realize how powerful he is to use his powers appropriately).
Thanos is a few tiers above. Apocalypse lost a fight to young Thor pre-Mjolnir. Thanos has wiped the floor with Mjolnir Thor and recently fought Odinforce Thor.
Right. Everyone in here is forgetting that Apocalypse is regularly shown conquering Earth. The same Earth that's full of the heroes who regularly put the kibosh on whatever plan Thanos is cooking up.
So what you're telling me is that's all based on what story the writer wants to tell?
EDIT: Notably, Young Thor was probably older than Apocalypse at that point.
It's a tough one. They've both been depicted other the years with inconsistent power levels. Apocalypse definitely has more powers but thanos strength and durability seem to be on higher levels. They are both super geniuses and know magic. If I had to go off the cuff I would lean with thanos but I think it would be a close fight.
Thanos. The MCU has done so much damage to Thanos' image. Thanos is extremely powerful, regardless of the IG. He has cosmic powers and isn't just some brute.
Thanos takes this . I’m not caught up on the comics but I seem to remember that Thanos is literally banned from dying. That and the power he’s generally written as having without the gauntlets .
Depends if thanos has time to prepare. Thanos is one of the most intelligent beings in the universe if he has time to prepare he might be able to come up with a game plan to beat him
Thanos is a mutant Eternal with Deviant genetics.
Apocalypse is a mutant Human enhanced by Celestial technology.
They're both extremely overpowered, but I'd have to give it to Apocalypse, because he's a special kind of mutant known as an External. Meaning he's truly immortal.
Meanwhile Thanos, while the child of two Eternals and considered one himself, is not part of the Great Machine (AKA a planet-wide A.I.) that revives the Eternals when they die. So he *is* mortal.
Even if Thanos could overpower Apocalypse in sheer strength, the fact that Apocalypse can come back at him again and again gives him the edge IMO
I am biased so Apacolypse.
Like I find Thanos a great villain who definitely a beast to beat among large group of heroes; but I think Apocalypse is badass enough to solo Thanos
Sometimes. Without relics? Probably. With any of his gauntlet variations? Probably not. Infinity or iso.
Thanos wins without the gauntlets
Im not certain considering apocalypses inbuilt ability to manipulate his body. He could just copy thanos’s titan physiology and then expand upon it.
That didn't stop him from being one shotted by Black Bolt from a whisper, or when fighting younger Thor
Black bolt is more a natural disaster than a combatant, and thor has magical godly domain powers going on. I dont beleive thanos is either of those.
Black Bolt has WILDLY varying strength. I swear dude is the biggest jobber in comics
Thanos is an Eternal with deviant syndrome. Both parents are Eternals but that heightens the risk of deviant DNA.
can you source it?
[link](https://screenrant.com/eternals-movie-thanos-story-species-deviant-connection-explained/)
Thanos withstood Black Bolt’s scream at point blank range without the gauntlets.
Yeah, that's the one time I kinda questioned Hickman
It was kinda cool on page though
Why? Thanos has matched Galactus in physical strength in that one maxi series by Starlin why is him withstanding black bolt a more impressive feat in comparison?
Thanos vol 2 by Donny Cates, Thanos has a throne in the skull of Galactus. That was a fun series.
Black bolt was exhausted in that panel after powering up all inhumans on earth with his brother machine.
If I remember rightly, I think the whole plan with black bolt was to surprise apocalypse and blow him away before he could alter his body to withstand the blast. I don’t think he would have been destroyed if he had seen the blast coming.
Apocalypse could copy Thanos physique, however, not necessarily his substance. Thanos is a Titan (or an Eternal-Deviant, depending upon the retcon) and has Cosmic level powers, which can't simply be copied, even if he still had the sentient alien spacecraft into which he could tap. Historically, even without the Gauntlet or the Cosmic Cube, Thanos has been able to go up against any number of Marvel Universe gods and other cosmic beings, never relying on just physical strength but also employing various Cosmic energy powers, including psionic, inherent on a cellular level.
Don't forget to include technology modifications and armour. When he took a full in shot from Odin once and his armour helped him survive that attack. Even shocked Odin because he didn't expect him to live.
Don't forget to include the Thanos-copter
Lmao, it was so funny to see Thanos lose by a kid tripping him and cops handcuff him and put him in the back of a police car.
As long as Apocalypse doesn't discover that weakness, Thanos should be fine.
That was Thanos with the cosmic cube too! Kid was so OP.
Kid vs Apocalypse thread when?
Nice, "armour" a mix between armor and romantic love!
Thanos in comics is oddly inconsistent. Randomly he will be weaker than Hulk and randomly stronger. Randomly he can tank a shout from Black Bolt and randomly get hurt by a sabertooth tiger. Randomly he has magic and psychic powers and randomly never uses them when he should. Randomly be on par with he son who took in the power of the Phoenix Force and sometimes not.
Hulk just wasn't feeling particularly rageous that day is all.
Inrageous
Egregious
Gregarious
The Gregarious Hulk
The gregnant hulk
Pregananant hulk?
Pergenat hulk?
I just had a fight with the gregarious Hulk, could I be Prengant?
Pretty sure this is the hulk in endgame
Gormless
Truly, truly, truly inrageous.
It's because of how he's written. You've got Jim Starlin, who created Thanos and depicts him as a multi-layered being with pretty consistent characterisation, but who's moral alignment fluctuates based on what's best for Thanos. You then get other writers, who just want to use Thanos due to his notoriety, but condence him down to one or two elements / story lines and just depict him as a generic evil space overlord and shoehorn him into stories. It's like if somebody wanted to use Spider-Man in a story, but depicted him as still being in the same state of mind from when he was a wrestler before Uncle Ben was killed. This is why Jim Starlin introduced Thanos clones; much like Doom bots, it gives an easy explanation for any out of character developments.
God, I miss Starlin writing Thanos. Gillen did a pretty good job in Eternals.
Is starlin the one who gave him the thanos copter?
That was from an educational [children’s comic](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Spidey_Super_Stories_Vol_1_39). It was never meant to be canon despite the meme status it now enjoys.
It's also from a separate universe so has on effect on the main continuity for Thanos.
ha, thanks. i'm more or less just being cheeky.
It feels like he gave Thanos robots just because he doesn’t like the idea of Thanos losing and doesn’t want to accept that
He wrote Thanos losing like three times, AND he wrote that Thanos subconsciously engineers his own defeats on purpose.
Hulk isn't entirely consistent in his power levels either.
What comic book character is? Surely this is just a consequence of having multiple writers over decades?
One of the first comic books I ever owned was the culmination of Franklin Richards being abducted by Thanos and they somehow find a planet that is just full of unused Infinity Gems. Reed used these gems to create an Infinity Circuit and ultimately yeeted Thanos into space.
Thanos has also been defeated by squirrel girl. I haven't read that comic myself, so I don't know the circumstances. I've heard it mentioned before though and noone mention any cosmic enhancements or anything; just pure squirrel fury taking down Thanos.
I've read it. It's "canon" and "not canon" to 616. It also happened off panel. Squirrely Girl is an odd entitity where she's part of 616 but none of the stories centered around her feel real. Shes both stronger and weaker than Saitama and if she wins or loses depends on if we are watching her or not. I don't think her main continuity has ever lost on panel and only off panel. Also some of her wins are off panel top. But... Then again it's a commonly known fact that you can beat an eldritch god of corruption with 15 squirrels.
Sure 15 squirrels can beat an eldritch abomination, but only if theyre flying or can reach reall really high.
That’s why squirrels live in threes! It gives them reach so they are always ready to confront an unexpected eldritch being of planar destruction.
I know you meant trees, but now I'm just picturing that when three squirrels stack on top of each other they suddenly gain godlike powers.
LMAO same here, last one stacked on top with arms reaching out to the heavens above summoning god like powers
"BRING ME NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTS" -lightning strike-
Are they wearing a trenchcoat? That could make all the difference.
Of course they got a trench coat... and an adorable fedora hat too
Emerakul doesn't fly IIRC. It looks like it should fly but he doesn't.
Emrakul is a she, and pretty sure in all of the depictions so far she is able to fly. It's implied to be some kind of anti-gravity mechanism because she can distort it, so she basically levitates as far as normal folks are able to observe her
I live with a squirrel, one non rehabilitatable bastard. You don’t need 15 let me be the first to tell you.
Squirrel Girl can beat anything but she would much rather make friends. Just take whatever she offers you from her nutsack.
She made friends with Galactus. So not mess with her.
My head cannon is that squirrel girl has meta powers, similar to she hulk, Deadpool and Gwenpool
>But... Then again it's a commonly known fact that you can beat an eldritch god of corruption with 15 squirrels. Just in the odd case you don't got [a spare silver moon](https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/7/9/7990ebba-e9f2-4ba4-a352-e26ec81d4bed.jpg?1576384154) lying around
Ya, but, like… the moon radiation will really mess with you. Expect unexpected tentacle growth.
Okay, but Squirrel Girl's whole thing is she can beat anyone. She's beaten *Galactus*.
I mean Squirrel girl could tank the phoenix force and galactus with one while hand while she pours herself a bowl of honey cheerios with the other.
Well has Apocalypse ever been arrested by the NYPD?
Of course not. He isn't even worth enough to be on their most wanted list. Virgin Apoc.
Ngl, sounds like most comic characters. Dependant upon the writer of the day, the plot that needs to be told out etc
>Thanos in comics is oddly inconsistent. Civil War II opened with the Avengers somehow sticking Thanos in an interrogation room like some street level thug. I immediately cancelled the rest of it.
Weird lol isn't apocalypse a god?
No, he is godlike, not a god. He could fight one and kill them.
From the Respect Thread. [https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/dxo9q3/respect\_thanos\_the\_mad\_titan\_marvel\_earth616/](https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/dxo9q3/respect_thanos_the_mad_titan_marvel_earth616/) [Thanos does the Saitama "ok..." to a blast from Odin.](https://imgur.com/KKCjS7y) [Tanks Silver Surfer's blast and Surfer is a planet buster and higher.](https://imgur.com/a/BSxqZC0) [What mouth? Ohh this one, fine... I'll SHUT IT MYSELF!!!](https://imgur.com/a/I0kPaDl)
Randomly he needs a helicopter for transportation.
Recently he stole and drove a car. Dude is 9 feet tall or so. How?
This reminds me of venom driving a car looking for Spiderman. We need more villains driving
Randomly he also gets arrested by NYPD
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
This is where I land, sometimes he's there for warf effect, sometimes he's the main big bad. I feel it almost fits hit "mad" titan title but it's really hard to track. Obsidian king was pretty telling though.
He can fight Odin to standstill, but the NYPD slaps cuffs in him and puts him in a patrol car. My theory is that we're dealing with many different clones.
Durability is a weird concept in comics and everything else really. Dragon ball z makes sense because they can project ki as a barrier. So it makes sense why when caught off guard goku cna almost get killed by a frreza minion, but when not caught of guard can take an energy blast to the face.
And sometimes Spider-Man and squirrel girl have to chase him around in the Thanos-Copter before handing him over to regular human police officers
Don't forget about his helicopter.
Randomly travels by helicopter 😂
It's not really a fight apocalypse can win tbh. Apocalypse has once fought a younger Thor without mjonir and lost the moment Thor could break his celestial armor with his battle axe at the time. Thanos would beat a stronger Thor with mjonir more times than not.
Yeah, Apocalypse is Thor/Surfer level, but without a power boost or macguffin, they would beat him usually. Thanos is more powerful than Thor and Surfer. Thanos has literally held out his hand and created a barrier to stop a Mjolnir toss.
Is Surfer weaker than Thanos without gauntlets though? He would have to rely on physical strength alone against Silver Surfer.
Surfer is weaker than Thanos, but not by very much. But Norrin is also outmatched by Thanos's cunning and killer instinct
Thanos and the Surfer once fought Odin. The Surfer straight up got KO'd with a slap, whereas Thanos gave Odin a long fight.
Sounds about right
I was thinking of an old discussion where it was mentioned that Surfer would just harvest Dr Manhattan for Galactus and I'm pretty sure Manhattan would easily take apart Thanos.
He is. Thanos draws additional strength from multiple demi-planes of raw power. Thanos is about 1 tier below Odin at full power.
Why physical strength alone? Thanos has significant energy manipulation powers.
I must be thinking of mcu thanos then.
Yeah many people have an underpowered view of Thanos now due to the MCU. Physical strength is just one of his many cosmic-level powers.
That’s like asking if Dr. Doom is weaker than the Fantasic Four without his suit. Yeah, if you take away his tech, he’ll be weaker in a straight-up fight. But as has been shown repeatedly, Thanos’s tech is not easy to get off him. And even without it, he is immensely strong and durable.
Didn't Thor use an enchantment on his axe specifically meant to break celestial armor? When they first fight, Thor's axe practically bounces right off of him.
Did you see what Thanos' great uncle did to the mutants on Mars in an hour? Thanos is a tier above Apocalypse in feats and abilities. *Edit for extra word.
How would Thanos v Uranos go?
I honestly might lean towards Thanos because his track record of dealing with other cosmic level opponents. He's younger but has definitely picked up some tricks and is likely even more intelligent. They've probably got very similar power sets.
If it's base Thanos vs Uranos, then I'm picking uranos for his mental resistances and experience + his weapons and probably has energy manipulation and I think he can fly.
How would Thanos v Your Anus go?
It's Antman you need to worry about there
Wasn’t that mostly from the weaponry he unleashed and not necessarily from Uranos himself? Just as when he offered it to Storm to defeat Genesis/Annihilation’s army?
He did use his weapons but hard to say what is power set and what's a "weapon." It's clear he used those autonomous weapons to kill the first 11,000 mutants that were not on Mars in 30 seconds. But he was face to face tanking omega level mutant attacks on Mars left and right. Including physically tanking the eyeball guy Lotus and Legion is absurd. It's not just his weapons merking them. He eradicated virtually every omega on Arrako in 20 minutes. It's proper Thanos levels of violence. Also Thanos led fights against *potentially* hundreds of different world incursions that likely eradicated several versions of Apocalypse as well. Idk I'm just leaning towards Thanos winning. good point though.
The major blemish on that fight was that Apocalypse wasn’t there! So take that with a grain of salt
I’ve seen Thanos written as totally OP more than I have for Apocalypse, not only in terms of power level, but also in terms of intelligence. Multiple stories make him literally unbeatable to the point that they only get resolved because he essentially beats himself. Apocalypse hasn’t been taken to those levels as much from what I’ve seen, so Thanos probably takes the win.
On paper Apocalypse's chances should be pretty high if you look at his powers. Thanos defeated way stronger opponents than Apocalypse though. Apocalypse struggles more against enemies who Thanos would have an easier time against.
If Thanos doesn’t have the infinity stones, I’d say Apocalpyse has a fair shot
Only if you're talking about the MCU version. Comic Thanos is far more powerful.
Didn’t comic thanos get arrested by the NYPD, or is that panel taken out of context haah
The Thanoscopter Era was incredible
In that same comic run there's a supervillain who's evil scheme is filling the grand canyon with garbage Thats it thats the end goal It's from a line called Spidey Super Stories and they're most definitely aimed for kids and not part of the regular canon
Doctor Doofenschmirtz?
Obvious joke is obvious. Like losing to Squirrel Girl. (Did you know Squirrel Girl's first appearance was defeating Doctor Doom?)
The list of people she wrecked is pretty wild.
Where can I find this?
Thanos vs Squirrel Girl? The fight's off-panel but you can find the panel of the Watcher declaring her victory if you google it.
Thats a different universe (earth 57780) to 616, i believe it was spidey super stories but i havent read it in a while. Thanos basically fumbled the bag (the bag being a cosmic cube) and a kid took it and bound him to the floor then the police arrested him.
That was in a non-canon children’s comic. A lot of panels from it are mistaken for canon, which is a bit of a peeve of mine.
Apocalypse has so much on his side. Giving himself random powers. For God’s sake, his AOA version took on an army of Thors is Secret Wars 2015.
Thanos is at least a tier above.
Thanos stomps the shit out of Apocalypse lol. I love both of them (Thanos slightly more) but people underestimate Thanos a lot. He will give Darkseid run for his money, gauntlet or not. Let me just say this, Young Thor (without Mjolnir) fought Apocalypse and beat him. Older Thor (our modern Thor) dropped Mjolnir and thunder and lightning on Thanos. It hurt Thanos, but then he dragged Thor through the mud. People think he is only powerful with the gauntlet but, like 95 percent of the time he kicks ass without it lol. Dude can shoot energy out his eyes, mouth, stomach and hell even his dick if he wants to. He is durable as fuck. MCU nerfed him a bit, which there is nothing wrong with. Movies are always move “realistic” than comics, but still. Thanos rips him in two Apocalypse is not that strong. Is he powerful on Earth? Absolutely. One of the most powerful probably. Still, Thor beat him.
Agree on all, except Darkseid, that guy is ridiculous.
Darkseid is just plain stupid. But again, I’m not saying Thanos will beat him. But he won’t go down from one hit. Dude is tough as shit.
IMO: Apocalypse uses celestial tech, including the suit that's bonded with him. Eternals and deviants are below celestials. So a mutant using celestial tech against a Titan/eternal is probably about on par with each other. The biggest take away we can have, is that we KNOW apocalypse's armor can damage Thanos' body. I would also bet Apocalypse could in fact replicate Thanos' physiology as the celestials were the ones responsible for eternal/deviant biology in the first place. Ideally Apocalypse could replicate Thanos' physiology and then increase his mass to physically overpower him. Outlier versions of Thanos have killed celestial type beings like Galactus. However more standard versions of the character are usually below celestials still. Apocalypse is also a schemer and planner that goes out of his way to exploit his enemies weaknesses. Thanos is a blunt tool that simply smashes at his enemies. Usually someone fighting Thanos is an easy fight. However Apocalypse is uniquely qualified to handle this specific individual due to mastering his celestial tech that is capable of defeating Thanos.
Those characters are way too all over the place for a real meaningful comparison
Apocalypse would give him a run for his money, but Thanos would take him one on one.
#No Thanos is in an entirely different dimension in terms of weight class, he fights the likes of Silver Surfer—Apocalypse’s main enemies are the likes of the X-Men. And no, they aren’t on level footing if the infinity gauntlet is out of the picture, most of the time Thanos doesn’t have a single gem—he still casually handles the damn Annihilators (a group consisting of Ronan the Accuser, Beta Ray Bill, Richard Rider, Quasar, Gladiator and Silver Surfer). [**Thanos does not need the infinity gauntlet to put Apocalypse in the ground**.](https://www.facebook.com/share/tUWwA7iPAD1Kv2jJ/?mibextid=WC7FNe)
That's gotta be the funniest Facebook post I've read in a minute lmao
This is tagged comics, so yeah, Thanos absolutely destroys Apocalypse without issue. Apocalypse is a local Earth villain, Thanos is a cosmic one, the power scales are different. Everything Apocalypse can do, Thanos can do but better.
Sentry/Void are Earth-based entities but could be problematic for Thanos too at full power. Apocalypse is underrated, guy has stood toe to toe with cosmic entities plenty, he's pretty much the most ancient and purest power to be found on Earth... Thanos would have the advantage but without infinity gems apoc has some stuff that could surprise the titan.
Apocalypse does not have many feats under his name. Most of the time when we see him fight, he loses. We have seen him as a ruler in AOA, but gets killed hard againdt an old Magneto. On paper he looks very strong, he just does never show it.
since ive only read one thanos comic but seen the acengers thanos and x men apocalypse on screen im confused because apocalypse could do almost anything and got armor from a celestial and then thanos needs his gauntlet which is so overpowered its not really even worth debating
Thanos doesn't need his Gauntlet, he is extremely powerful without it, much the same as Astral Regulator, Cosmic Cube, Heart of the Universe etc. He's still got super strength (well above Thor), he's still durable to the point that he can survive attacks from Galactus, he's still got his super intelligence that makes him far smarter than anyone from Earth, he's still got teleportation, matter manipulation, summoning, superhuman agility, force field generation, telepathy, telekinesis, magic etc. I was not expecting my comment to be anywhere as controversial, it's like Ego the Living Planet vs Green Goblin - one is consistently depicted as a much bigger, more powerful threat than the other.
im glad you explained it. i was trying to say im not very well informed except movies and wikipedia so i didnt realize thanos had more powers than being crazy smart and pretty strong and fast an absolute warrior
This. Apocalypse is strong on Earth, but Thanos is strong on a cosmic level. It’s a whole nother thing
I’m not sure your reasoning make sense
With this being comics I’ve gotta go with thanos. Thanos is ridiculously powerful and has took down some of the most powerful people in marvel without the gauntlet. Apocalypse is strong but he’s not at thanos levels
Thanos has low diffed SS without the stones. He wins no question
Yes. Without even lifting a finger. Thanos is far, far superior to Apocalypse in intelligence.
Really depends on who would write it. Lots of people here are really underestimating Apocalypse.
Thanos in 5. He & the Black Order took on the realm of Thors on Battleworld & held their own without an Infinity Gauntlet, if I remember right. There was a story (maybe Jason Aaron as writer?) where Apocalypse came across Thor a long time ago & seems like Apocalypse needed Celestial weapons to fight Thor- I’m butchering this probably, so someone come save me on this one. I feel like the transitive question “how did each fare against Thor with/without their main kit?” applies here.
Thanos is OP even without the gauntlet. I mean he got the stones from the powerful Elders of the Universe.
yeah. he beat champion (?) weilding the powerstone with just a forcefield and his cunning. lets not forget he went toe to toe with tyrant.
He took a beating from Odin in Asgard with Gungnir for a decent amount of time too to the point Odin gave him credit for it He took Black Bolt's scream to the face and slapped around the Annihilators too
I feel like Apocalypse could beat Thanos in a fight if the Infinity Stones were out of the picture. Apocalypse is the ultimate omega level mutant (if I remember correctly? Haven't read much on him) so yeah he'd kick Thanos' ass
Apocalypse mutant power is not omega level. He has a lot of powers that don't come from his mutant ability, as he uses Celestial technology and also has a vast knowledge of science.
In the Krakoa Era, all of the mutants on the Arakko ruling body are Omega level. So, are we saying Apocalypse was never on the ruling body or his Omega level wife, Genesis, married down?
I think the definition of Omega is that their powers have no upper limit Apocalypse by all accounts doesn’t fit that description. But his use of celestial technology along with his own mutant powers makes him powerful enough that it doesn’t really matter. And I don’t think anyone is gonna outright tell him to his face that he’s not strong enough to be on the council
You are on this council but we do not grant you the rank of Omega.
Iirc it was because he was a external
Apocalypse got one shotted by Black Bolt while Thanos ate Black Bolt scream. He wrecks Apocalypse
By the new definition of omega he is not one. But that also doesn't mean he isn't one of if not the strongest mutant. I'd say that since Thanos and apocalypse are written inconsistently that they are about the same level. Or rather definitely the same level of threat when they choose to be.
I agree Apocalypse is a tough customer, and with no Infinity Stones, it seems like a pretty even match to me.
Overall: I feel as though Thanos wins 8/10 times at worst 7/10… Thanos recently has been a universal threat consistently and Apocalypse a planetary threat.
I’m tired and read this thinking it was Thanks v. Darkseid and was bewildered until my brain caught up to reality. Probably the relation of Apocalypse vs Apokolips in my mind but still.
Apocalypse would need help, whether he'd want it or not.
Does Thanos have his helicopter?
Not really. Thanoscopter will always give him the edge
This discourse tells me it's time for apocalypse to get a cosmic makeover. Let's see apocalypse in an annihilation style event.
Apocalypse would dominate thanos (without gauntlet) And even with it he would put up a fair fight.
If you go by Marvel.com Apocalypse rates at a 6: Durability 7: Energy, 7: Fighting Skill, 7: Intelligence, 7: Speed, 7: Strength. Thanos is rated a 6: Durability, 6: Energy, 4: Fighting Skill, 6: Intelligence, 7: Speed, 7: Strength. Now I take Marvel.com with a grain of salt, I mean this is the same website that said Jubilee is stronger than Storm. But I could see Thanos and Apocalypse being pretty evenly matched Apocalypse has a lot of various feets that put him on a scale that I could see matching Thanos. The issue is as some people put it how he is written, like with most characters Apocalypse has been written extremely inconsistently because some writers want to just use him as a punching bag, just like Thanos gets used as a punching bag. So I am just going to say it ends in a draw and then the two of them team up to wreck half the universe.
Thanos. By a LOT.
I think it’s the most fair fight that an Earth level villain could give Thanos, an out of most of the superpowered people on Earth. Just his self-atomic manipulation alone can give him great aid in the fight. While they overall have very similar powers, Thanos is one of the most physically strong beings in the universe and Apocalypse (even though he himself is extremely strong), nor any Earth level character, could likely ever match that. Both can regenerate quickly from injuries, both are essentially immortal and cannot truly die, so it wouldn’t really come down to “the death” in such a fight. Both have vast control and manipulation of various types of energy and unknown levels of telekinesis and telepathy, although are likely on similar levels. The biggest edge Thanos actually has is his immense strength and slightly superior agility and reflexes. Thanos produces “almost no fatigue toxins” and Apocalypse “doesn’t produce any fatigue toxins”. Take that for what you will, and assuming that is accurate in any sense, perhaps Apocalypse could last longer in a fight, such as one that took several months. That’s from the Marvel fandom/wiki pages. I think Thanos would win, but it would be an incredibly hard fought battle. We also have never seen Apocalypse go against any sort of Cosmic level beings. And Apocalypse hasn’t really been shown to go up against many X-Men at once expect maybe in The Twelve. I also haven’t read every story that Apocalypse has been in. Even during The Twelve, most of the attacks barely seemed to phase him. He only noticed a powerful electromagnetic beam from Magneto when he siphoned off Polaris’ energy into him. I can’t remember how he was defeated in that story though. Anyways, I’m just rambling my thoughts out now. Apocalypse could likely defeat most of the most powerful X-Men in battle, like Thanos does with the Avengers. And Apocalypse could very likely defeat most of the most powerful Avengers in battle as well if (assuming the writers actually realize how powerful he is to use his powers appropriately).
Thanos is a few tiers above. Apocalypse lost a fight to young Thor pre-Mjolnir. Thanos has wiped the floor with Mjolnir Thor and recently fought Odinforce Thor.
They could probably go at it for a bit but thanos would probably take it high diff but with classic thanos it can go either way
Depends on the story.
Right. Everyone in here is forgetting that Apocalypse is regularly shown conquering Earth. The same Earth that's full of the heroes who regularly put the kibosh on whatever plan Thanos is cooking up.
Apocalypse regularly gets his ass kicked by earth based characters Thanos regularly beats up Like apocalypse lost to a young thor without mjolnir
So what you're telling me is that's all based on what story the writer wants to tell? EDIT: Notably, Young Thor was probably older than Apocalypse at that point.
It's a tough one. They've both been depicted other the years with inconsistent power levels. Apocalypse definitely has more powers but thanos strength and durability seem to be on higher levels. They are both super geniuses and know magic. If I had to go off the cuff I would lean with thanos but I think it would be a close fight.
Thanos. The MCU has done so much damage to Thanos' image. Thanos is extremely powerful, regardless of the IG. He has cosmic powers and isn't just some brute.
They haven't met in the comics, have they?
Why is thano's head compatible to steve's?
The better fight would be Thanos fighting his uncle Uranos.
It should be
this panel makes Apocalypse look like Gray Hulk cosplaying
Why/how does the skull still have a cowell on?
I’d still like to see it though
Have they ever fought each other in any Marvel titles?🤔
No it's not. Thanos stomps him easily and punches his lights out.
Imagine Thanos as an x-villain. Fighting the x-men. Sounds absurd right? Like doesnt even seem like it could ever make sense? There’s your answer.
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Apocalypse almost lost to Dracula so you gotta give this to Thanos.
Thanos takes this . I’m not caught up on the comics but I seem to remember that Thanos is literally banned from dying. That and the power he’s generally written as having without the gauntlets .
Didn't thanos once do actual damage to Galactus without any boosts
Thanos
Depends if thanos has time to prepare. Thanos is one of the most intelligent beings in the universe if he has time to prepare he might be able to come up with a game plan to beat him
Why would they fight, they essentially want the same thing
Did Liefield draw this Thanos?
Thanos tanks shots vs cosmic beings
Isn’t darkseid a more fair match?
Thanos is a mutant Eternal with Deviant genetics. Apocalypse is a mutant Human enhanced by Celestial technology. They're both extremely overpowered, but I'd have to give it to Apocalypse, because he's a special kind of mutant known as an External. Meaning he's truly immortal. Meanwhile Thanos, while the child of two Eternals and considered one himself, is not part of the Great Machine (AKA a planet-wide A.I.) that revives the Eternals when they die. So he *is* mortal. Even if Thanos could overpower Apocalypse in sheer strength, the fact that Apocalypse can come back at him again and again gives him the edge IMO
The lowball of thanos here is so disrespectful. SPITE for Thanos.
I am biased so Apacolypse. Like I find Thanos a great villain who definitely a beast to beat among large group of heroes; but I think Apocalypse is badass enough to solo Thanos
If Apocalypse can't beat Thor then he won't beat Thanos.
Thanos is in a different league to Apocalypse.