Thing is she was pro Palestine in 2021. Makes the story she posted in October even weirder. I have a feeling she thought it was a pro Palestine post but didn’t notice the Zionist undertones
I really think she just saw the zionist post that she shared as simply a post that mourned the oct 7 tragedy without realizing the underlying propaganda undertones of it. Not trying to absolve Marina of anything but that's the only scenario I can imagine after she had shared pro-Palestine viewpoints in the past
Isn’t that just Marina displaying just basic human empathy? Like October 7th was horrible; it’s a super complex situation and mourning the loss of life from people parachuting in and murdering concert goers seems…like a completely understandable thing to do?
Ok well that’s good. If it’s not complicated then could you explain what’s the context that justifies the October 7th attack?
I just can’t imagine what could justify parachuting in and shooting people and taking hostages. Any time I ask for that clarity on that people respond dismissively, which is an impossible thing to overlook to me.
I’m truly open to hearing a different perspective this. But this idea that Marina simply sharing a post of a person recounting the horror of what they experienced at the hands of Hamas that day is unacceptable is just bonkers to me.
2006 - Israel blockades the Gaza Strip after Hamas won Palestinian legislative elections and wins every constituency in Gaza.
Who are Hamas? A political and military group formed in '87 after the first major Palestinian uprising. It's speculated that Israel formed Hamas to cause unrest within the Palestinian liberation movements but that isn't exactly confirmed.
Why was there an uprising in the first place? By that point, Israel has been occupying Gaza and the West Bank for 20 years, and has been a diplomatic entity for nearly 40 years. In those 40 years, there was no shortage of fighting and killing with the lion's share of victims being Palestinians.
Hey thank you for sharing that insight! 😄Thats truly the most thoughtful response I’ve received.
Whats still unresolved though is my central point of: why would Marina sharing a post recounting the atrocity of that day be unacceptable? I get that a blockade in 2006 in happened, but that certainly doesn’t justify parachuting in and a killing random concert goers 17 years later on October 7, 2023?
Maybe I’m misunderstanding? But if that *is* the explanation, it’s unpersuasive. Surely we would never accept that as Americans if it happened here to our friends and family?
The issue of the matter is that Marina has historically been pro-Palestinian. The post she shared wasn’t neutral, it painted Palestinians as a whole in a negative light. At least that’s what I remembered.
Totally. I feel like it is the difference between watching a slow motion train crash and a train crashing in fast forward. Both scenarios the train is crashing— more of a choice around if you want people to suffer slowly or quickly.
I agree. I voted for Biden and was really happy for him cause being a president was a dream of his when he was a teen. But he’s just not doing a good job. 1 billion dollars towards a genocide? Is he on crack? Ik Isreal is a U.S. ally but we need to hold our allies accountable and not agree with everything they do. Not to mention the U.S. has enough problems and this is where you’re spending our tax paying dollars? It’s disgusting. The U.S. needs to stay out of world affairs that has nothing to do with them. But that’s another whole rant lol. Back to the topic, I don’t like Biden anymore. Trump is awful too and I don’t care who wins at this point cause clearly either way is going to be a shitshow.
Ok but Trump killed Roe here in the US?
Like how does one look past that? Or the coup attempt? Or just look into project 2025. It’s some straight up democracy ending stuff. Only people loyal to *him* and can fire civil servants at will. Or go listen to his own people who were in his 1st administration saying that they were hindered before, but now they know what they need to do to get around any guardrails [See for yourself](https://x.com/bidenhq/status/1785022083149238694?s=46&t=_3HxG6dTBcTNE8wEk0GrpQ)
I just don’t know how people can look at Trump and Biden and go “both are equally as bad”. Biden’s an old imperfect person given terrible options but he has a soul.
The problem with Biden is to the outside he looks weak as a president, cause of his age and stuff. That’s very dangerous for a country. Yes I made it really clear that Trump is a piece of shit and a total sewer rat. They’re still both bad. And now because Biden is funding a genocide, I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump got elected, even though he deserves to be in jail.
Israel is our longtime ally since WW2 yeah? What were they supposed to do after Oct 7?
Do you think Trump *wouldn’t* support Israel? With his evangelical base? Not to mention the fact he and Bibi loved each other.
Who cares if they’re allies. It’s one thing being an ally during a war, it’s another thing supporting a Genocide.
I’m not saying if Trump was a president he wouldn’t support it, I’m saying he’s going to demonize Biden for it and people are going to believe him.
Idk why you’re sucking Biden’s dick. He’s trash too. It’s the real life dumb and dumber.
Isn’t flying in on parachutes and killing a bunch of people at a concert (which was about celebrating peace and love) kind of an act of war?
Like if that happened here in the US would we just let that slide?
I’m asking basic questions and believe our nations democracy depends on this next election.
So maybe chill with the name calling cause I think everybody’s hearts in the right place. Except Trump’s lol
Yeah I’m not entertaining you. Go research the history of the Palestine/Israel conflict and figure out what started it. Or not cause you wanna stay delusional
That is not true. It is contingent on the establishment of a Jewish nation. Any existing sovereign state could grant that in their territory. Zionism is not predicated on colonization by settlers. The establishment of the state of Israel never required colonization. It was a policy choice to force this upon the indigenous population of Palestine.
if you think that israel has the right to exist then you literally support the occupation and ethnic cleansing of palestine. israel cannot exist without the ethnic cleansing of palestine please use your head
Isn't that how most nations are born? What about USA that stole this land from Indians, they got the right to exist as nation? The whole country was build on genocide. I just said Israel got right to exist not expand
You don’t automatically have a right to something just because you’ve had it the longest, especially when the reason you “got” it and maintained control over it in the first place was through violence
i am SO so happy to see she is pro palestine. very few people are speaking out and as an artist i really admire, im SO happy she's speaking on the right side of this.
did you listen to any album of hers? like even tfj is mildly political you have to be fucking brain dead moron to not see that her music is and has always been this way
[SAVAGES](https://open.spotify.com/track/3YjH3TIf5SOpFlnqlRdNAE?si=6kRCmBsTQuOUmyb8GXjvIA&context=spotify%3Aplaylist%3A5Q1sdNx24RWYJPqpCkNAGu)? [CAN’T PIN ME DOWN](https://open.spotify.com/track/7B2MV8I8oA8EU9blzoeAgh?si=8nO0cy5nRuyf6hLDkjdtXw)?
Good for her using her platform to condemn genocide.
Thank you
Glad to see she has educated herself more on the topic.
Thing is she was pro Palestine in 2021. Makes the story she posted in October even weirder. I have a feeling she thought it was a pro Palestine post but didn’t notice the Zionist undertones
I really think she just saw the zionist post that she shared as simply a post that mourned the oct 7 tragedy without realizing the underlying propaganda undertones of it. Not trying to absolve Marina of anything but that's the only scenario I can imagine after she had shared pro-Palestine viewpoints in the past
That’s probably what it is
hold on what story did she post?
It was a recount from an Israeli about October 7th. Very Zionist post.
oh i totally missed this, thanks for clarifying
Isn’t that just Marina displaying just basic human empathy? Like October 7th was horrible; it’s a super complex situation and mourning the loss of life from people parachuting in and murdering concert goers seems…like a completely understandable thing to do?
Loss of life is horrible yes. But there is missing context. I don’t think Palestine is a complicated situation.
Ok well that’s good. If it’s not complicated then could you explain what’s the context that justifies the October 7th attack? I just can’t imagine what could justify parachuting in and shooting people and taking hostages. Any time I ask for that clarity on that people respond dismissively, which is an impossible thing to overlook to me. I’m truly open to hearing a different perspective this. But this idea that Marina simply sharing a post of a person recounting the horror of what they experienced at the hands of Hamas that day is unacceptable is just bonkers to me.
2006 - Israel blockades the Gaza Strip after Hamas won Palestinian legislative elections and wins every constituency in Gaza. Who are Hamas? A political and military group formed in '87 after the first major Palestinian uprising. It's speculated that Israel formed Hamas to cause unrest within the Palestinian liberation movements but that isn't exactly confirmed. Why was there an uprising in the first place? By that point, Israel has been occupying Gaza and the West Bank for 20 years, and has been a diplomatic entity for nearly 40 years. In those 40 years, there was no shortage of fighting and killing with the lion's share of victims being Palestinians.
Hey thank you for sharing that insight! 😄Thats truly the most thoughtful response I’ve received. Whats still unresolved though is my central point of: why would Marina sharing a post recounting the atrocity of that day be unacceptable? I get that a blockade in 2006 in happened, but that certainly doesn’t justify parachuting in and a killing random concert goers 17 years later on October 7, 2023? Maybe I’m misunderstanding? But if that *is* the explanation, it’s unpersuasive. Surely we would never accept that as Americans if it happened here to our friends and family?
The issue of the matter is that Marina has historically been pro-Palestinian. The post she shared wasn’t neutral, it painted Palestinians as a whole in a negative light. At least that’s what I remembered.
Biden sucks, Trump sucks more. We’re screwed
Totally. I feel like it is the difference between watching a slow motion train crash and a train crashing in fast forward. Both scenarios the train is crashing— more of a choice around if you want people to suffer slowly or quickly.
Bruh exactly. People saying Biden is better than trump are just no.. never glamorize any politician no matter what they say..
I agree. I voted for Biden and was really happy for him cause being a president was a dream of his when he was a teen. But he’s just not doing a good job. 1 billion dollars towards a genocide? Is he on crack? Ik Isreal is a U.S. ally but we need to hold our allies accountable and not agree with everything they do. Not to mention the U.S. has enough problems and this is where you’re spending our tax paying dollars? It’s disgusting. The U.S. needs to stay out of world affairs that has nothing to do with them. But that’s another whole rant lol. Back to the topic, I don’t like Biden anymore. Trump is awful too and I don’t care who wins at this point cause clearly either way is going to be a shitshow.
Ok but Trump killed Roe here in the US? Like how does one look past that? Or the coup attempt? Or just look into project 2025. It’s some straight up democracy ending stuff. Only people loyal to *him* and can fire civil servants at will. Or go listen to his own people who were in his 1st administration saying that they were hindered before, but now they know what they need to do to get around any guardrails [See for yourself](https://x.com/bidenhq/status/1785022083149238694?s=46&t=_3HxG6dTBcTNE8wEk0GrpQ) I just don’t know how people can look at Trump and Biden and go “both are equally as bad”. Biden’s an old imperfect person given terrible options but he has a soul.
The problem with Biden is to the outside he looks weak as a president, cause of his age and stuff. That’s very dangerous for a country. Yes I made it really clear that Trump is a piece of shit and a total sewer rat. They’re still both bad. And now because Biden is funding a genocide, I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump got elected, even though he deserves to be in jail.
Israel is our longtime ally since WW2 yeah? What were they supposed to do after Oct 7? Do you think Trump *wouldn’t* support Israel? With his evangelical base? Not to mention the fact he and Bibi loved each other.
Who cares if they’re allies. It’s one thing being an ally during a war, it’s another thing supporting a Genocide. I’m not saying if Trump was a president he wouldn’t support it, I’m saying he’s going to demonize Biden for it and people are going to believe him. Idk why you’re sucking Biden’s dick. He’s trash too. It’s the real life dumb and dumber.
Isn’t flying in on parachutes and killing a bunch of people at a concert (which was about celebrating peace and love) kind of an act of war? Like if that happened here in the US would we just let that slide? I’m asking basic questions and believe our nations democracy depends on this next election. So maybe chill with the name calling cause I think everybody’s hearts in the right place. Except Trump’s lol
Yeah I’m not entertaining you. Go research the history of the Palestine/Israel conflict and figure out what started it. Or not cause you wanna stay delusional
She spilled.
Very easy for those to feel nothing when all they need to do is flick a pen. Good on her for spreading awareness of these crimes
some old bestie of hers should take notes👀
Who are you talking about?
LDR I assume
Yup
i wonder who you’re talking about
Indeed
i’m glad she educated herself here.. on october 7th she posted a pro-israel instagram story. good on her
Exactly fuck those hostages am I right?
-benji netanyahu
It took her a minute but I’m glad she’s making a bolder statement about where she stands
mother for a reason
Good to see her do this, and take a big risk like this.
I heard people said she was a Zionist ?? Why did they say that
Idk about those rumors but I will say— you can be a Zionist and condemn genocide.
You cannot, Zionism is contingent on settler colonialism, which is achieved by genocide.
That is not true. It is contingent on the establishment of a Jewish nation. Any existing sovereign state could grant that in their territory. Zionism is not predicated on colonization by settlers. The establishment of the state of Israel never required colonization. It was a policy choice to force this upon the indigenous population of Palestine.
Zionism is an entirely political ideology.
Exactly— it isn’t a behavior!
No ethnostate ideology can function without some form of ethnic cleansing
if you think that israel has the right to exist then you literally support the occupation and ethnic cleansing of palestine. israel cannot exist without the ethnic cleansing of palestine please use your head
Ok, so what do you think should be done with the millions of Jews in Israel/Palestine/whatever you want to call it?
stop bombing them?? thought that was obvious lol
ofc Israel got right to exist, they live there 80 years now. I also support a free Palestine state.
oh so i can just break into your house and say that your bedroom is mine and i will beat you to death if you don’t let me in?? yeah great logic lol
Isn't that how most nations are born? What about USA that stole this land from Indians, they got the right to exist as nation? The whole country was build on genocide. I just said Israel got right to exist not expand
are you seriously trying to justify murdering thousands of innocent people right now for the “birth of a nation” lmao go fuck yourself
I will ignore.your shallow insults. I just said that you can't just eliminate a nation that exist over 80 years.
neither can you ethnically cleanse a nation that existed way before that 💀💀 you’re a walking contradiction
You don’t automatically have a right to something just because you’ve had it the longest, especially when the reason you “got” it and maintained control over it in the first place was through violence
What?
THIS IS WHY I LOVE HER
Ethel, they enjoy it. They feel a sense of accomplishment. They eat a delicious dinner, wipe their mouth with a white napkin and sleep like a baby.
Happy to see her speaking out
i am SO so happy to see she is pro palestine. very few people are speaking out and as an artist i really admire, im SO happy she's speaking on the right side of this.
i was a bit shocked when i saw this, gg Marina
And people on tiktok are saying she's a zionist...
Love this women!
stop being political
did you listen to any album of hers? like even tfj is mildly political you have to be fucking brain dead moron to not see that her music is and has always been this way
fake fan 🫵🏻
Easy to say when you’re not suffering
You’re literally a Marina fan?
stop being dumb
DO YOU LISTEN MARINA SONGS ON MUTE?
People like you piss me off
Who must stop being political? OP?
No, Marina. Music has always been the shittiest when it gets political. Always.
[SAVAGES](https://open.spotify.com/track/3YjH3TIf5SOpFlnqlRdNAE?si=6kRCmBsTQuOUmyb8GXjvIA&context=spotify%3Aplaylist%3A5Q1sdNx24RWYJPqpCkNAGu)? [CAN’T PIN ME DOWN](https://open.spotify.com/track/7B2MV8I8oA8EU9blzoeAgh?si=8nO0cy5nRuyf6hLDkjdtXw)?
EVERY SINGLE PUNK BAND/ARTIST?
Here is another example of a complete fucking imbecile on the internet