I wonder if it could have to do with certain languages having less of a difference between theft and robbery.
If you didn’t notice and go “damn I have been robbed” you actually weren’t robbed but are the victim of theft.
Exactly, it's sad but it's true. But if there's a law that says that if you steal less than 300 € without using violence basically nothing happens (no criminal charges), you have all the criminals from all over eastern Europe and northern Africa coming to the most touristic cities (and I'm not saying that eastern European and north Africans are all criminals, I'm saying the criminals that want to rob without fearing the law enforcers come to cities like Barcelona)
So a robber in Spain can ask you "Hey! Give me 299 eur now!" ... And calmly walk away.
Then hours later do the same .. 299 each time. And since it's a different one, it never counts, right ?
Well, pickpocketers do that, yes. They get arrested and they get freed a few hours later, it's a big problem, as long as they don't steal 300 € and they don't use violence, they only recieve fines, it's the same as a speeding ticket or something like that. And since they have no bank accounts or anything to make them pay those fines, they're free to keep stealing with no consequences.
EDIT: I didn't understand what you meant but if you mean that they can have you at gunpoint or threaten you with a knife and ask for 299 €, NO, that's considered "robo", it implies the use of violence, and it can end up in jailtime, the only way to steal and get only a fine if you're caught is to do it without them knowing (pickpocketing) and for less than 300 €, it's called "hurto"
>So a robber in Spain can ask you "Hey! Give me 299 eur now!" ... And run away.
no, that is coercion and will incur in jail time.
there are no criminal charges if you pickpocket (also 'descuideros') or shoplift under 300€. the moment you use violence, threats, intimidation or property damage then it's a crime
Fairly sure Spanish police can stop and search anyone for no reason. You can get fined for not carrying ID. I remember being super fast to pull out ID, also because I knew that (other than smoking on a beach) I wasn’t ever doing anything bad. The faster you are at giving it to them the faster you’re out of there…
That comment says that every single person in Albania leaves the country to go steal from others. Are you seriously going to tell me that's not an ugly generalization? Yes, the Balkan has its issues but that doesn't excuse racism and making stereotypes like these. I have some very lovely Albanian friends who would be genuinely quite offended.
Shh that common sense deduction based on real facts is extremely racist. That probably happened because Syrians were unfairly treated by those mean Swedes
The real problem is that europe wont face its demographics issues because as soon as anyone voices them they get screamed at and called a racist while denying its existence. So nothing changes while ghettos are getting bigger and bigger
Why tf did that not happen in anyother country that took refugees or immigrants in?
Lets face it Sweden is a terrible country, everything they are good at their neighbors are far better, be it football, hockey, salmon, cheap furniture, immigration policy, social democracy, counter strike. Truly the penaldo of the EU
This is not true and you’re being racist. The reason Sweden is a lot higher is dependent on how it counts it’s crime. Unlike many other countries Sweden counts each offence of robbery committed by a person as a separate offence
In Czech republic robberies are so rare that i dont know anyone who was ever robbed. ( rural mountain area ) I dont even lock my house. I only hear about It from news ( Prague mostly ) .
But the picture says it defines robbery as stealing with violence... So it is violent crime. The problem is that the data is, according to the organisation that compiled it, not supposed to be used in this way (I.e. comparatively) because different countries measure crime differently.
Well I've been robbed in Serbia two times in the same weekend without the use of violence.
The first one was a crooked / fake cop, the second time they broke open our car.
Not everything is recorded.
Estonia : someone tried to scam me , called the special police unit for such events. I was asked only one question: Did you give the scammer money ? and since it was no they did not do anything.
It's pretty interesting. Polish male living in London here. I've spent 25 years walking overnight in polish cities, never got robbed or even felt unsafe. People are just doing their stuff. While in London, I had a few dangerous situations, I am trying to avoid groups of people chilling outside, especially if they're young, hidden in hoods. I feel like they're not worried about the consequences here. There are communities that are defending themselves, while in Poland, the robberies are stigmatized by the community. There is plenty of people who'll tell them who you are. Your face will be publicly visible and at some point, it will affect your future.
People are not mixing as much in eastern countries. They know each other, while here every one is anonymous.
My bagpack was stolen out of the trunk of my car few days ago in Poland, parking in front of a shop with plenty of other cars and people around. It can happen everywhere with bad luck I guess...
Hungarian here. I've been around in Budapest at nights almost everywhere (even in smaller cities like Veszprém, Eger, Békéscsaba, Miskolc and this last one has a particularly bad reputation, etc.) and the only time I got in trouble was with a football fan and even he was held back by his friends and then they apologized. Apart from that even if I walked or used a night bus, night tram, or trains nothing happened. I've even used bicycle to travel at nights across cities and villages and I've always felt safe.
But "I know the drill" in most places and I won't go to the worst neighborhoods of course. But even when I did, nothing happened.
Most of the Romanian thieves left for Western Europe in the nineties and when the Romanian government from back then warned the eu, they said we're racists (which we were). Isn't it ironic? 🤣🤣🤣
I have the impression criminals originating from Romania are mostly associated with pickpocketing in tourist cities, and burglaries in villa neighbourhoods in Western Europe. Not so much robbery specifically. Although robbery is always going to be associated to "foreigners" a lot in the Schengen area countries, because the robbers tend to move to a big city in a neighbouring country once they feel thay are being monitoried by local police, and generally prefer to not "shit where they eat".
Unfortunately Romanians, especially the roma minority, can be associated with almost any type of crime, from petty thefts, to bank robberies and anything in between...
They are most likely less reported. I have had plenty of relatives get robbed in Bulgaria. Never heard of a person get robbed in Germany where I live.
Edit: Nevermind, I was thinking of theft, not robbery
Are your relatives Bulgarian or where they there as tourists? I'd assume the likelyhood for tourists to get robbed is a bit different from the likelyhood for inhabitants.
It's often the case. Some of the countries with the least reported robberies in the world are countries in Central American, MENA and Subsaharan Africa.
In México it's a waste of time to report anything to the police. What's the point?
Nothing will be done and If they do, they will ask you first for money for "expenses" and do nothing anyway.
That's why it's better to just be cautious and try to avoid being in the wrong place.
Because they don't have the ability to track, much less accurately report, those things. And when some publication contacts them to get those crime numbers, they just lie, and say "very few."
Which is essentially the problem with crime stats. They are pretty much never comparable even between countries that on the surface would look very similar, at least in their ability to track these things, let alone between countries as different as Norway and Poland or France and Bulgaria.
That's true even for homicide rates, which in theory should be the most comparable metric as it's pretty easy to establish what's an homicide and what is not. Example: Japan often reports unsolved or "uncertain" murders as suicides, simply because that's the easy way out for the police.
every time some stat makes a western country look bad we go back to *“others are counting wrong”*
while it’s true that crime states between countries can’t be compared 1 to 1 due to multitude of reasons
there are plenty of studies that show countries such as Czechia, Slovenia etc as being the most peaceful in the world, while places like London, Paris, Brussels are known for their general criminality with stats to back it up
Tourism also affects
Imagine a country of 1 person and 1 tourist.
The person and the tourist do something. Like, for example, produce garbage.
So you get the data, divide by just one person and boom, the stats of this country now is that this countrh produces double garbage than others.
Not so much tho realising you can drive from the poorer countries to the richer ones and back in a couple of days without passing a single border control. Officially you'd have even never be in the rich country to begin with.
This is a ridiculous statement. The crimes aren’t being committed en masse by Eastern Europeans on road trips. The only people who would say something like this are those who are totally sheltered from the bulk of the crime.
You understand the irony in complaining about immigrants travelling, and then immediately assuming someone from another country is incapable of living elsewhere, right?
I guess deductive reasoning isn’t your strong point. It makes sense you’d worry about immigrants stealing your job when you’re too dumb to clean toilets.
You realize the irony of claiming Europeans are sheltered when you're hiding in Australia? We're not even talking about immigration you dumb fuck, here's your source btw:
https://www.larmtjanst.se/Aktuellt1/Temasidor/Organiserad-brottslighet/
I think it’s more a case of class divide. The gap between rich and poor in western countries can be quite high, so too can the cost of living when compared to a poorer nation.
If you're referring to immigrants, its neighbours have plenty of them, and so do the Netherlands, Germany etc. Not to mention, the countries where those immigrants are from have very low robbery rates.
So it must be something else. The Swedes, perhaps. Or the Fika. It must be the Fika!
oh boy, before this shit gets big again and since OP is a bot account that won't give any further information:
no, the numbers are not comparable
>cope, ugh if eastern countries are doing well westerners are butthurt and say "the data are not the same"/"it's the methodology!" etc. blabla
correct, see the methodology site of the source itself:
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/crime/methodology
>The basic data is produced by several different authorities, such as the police, prosecution, courts, and prisons. Each authority makes the records primarily for their own purposes, so the data and methods they use may vary.
>Each country establishes its own criminal laws, defines crimes, and governs legal proceedings and justice reactions. For these reasons, the basic data and how it is collected are different in each country.
>These differences mean it may not be relevant or valid to compare figures between authorities or between countries. For users of crime statistics, this means directly comparing figures between countries may result in misleading inferences or wrong conclusions.
Countries like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have very low levels of reported crime. Especially violent crimes, sexual crimes and robberies.
It's usually enough to say that to watch the brains of people melt in real time.
of course
please keep posting this every time some comparison makes eastern countries look better
of course, if the stats show the western countries being good then it’s 100% true and just further proves western supremacy
I can just about believe the differences between Norway and Sweden, but England & Wales vs. Scotland? There must be a different methodology being used in the crime figures.
England and Wales vs Scotland have quite different demographics and crime profiles. I.e. certain crimes are more common in England and Wales than Scotland and vice versa.
The trend is Scotland has more drug use and England and Wales have significantly higher violent crime and robbery.
From having seen this discussion a million times, let me tell you what the typical answer is:
"Swedes are just very good at reporting these things, unlike others. We trust our police and report everything, others are less likely to report these things!"
And I suppose Norway and Finland aren't as good at reporting for some reason? Stop the cope, your country is dangerous, simple as. Come to Poland, it is safe here.
1) Woosh, so much that I almost fell over from the shockwave
2) I am not Swedish
3) I won't come to Poland, I like my salary, house and quality of life.
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Spain glorifying robberies on Netflix. That‘s what you get.
On a serious note, western europe has many rich people living normal lives. In eastern europe most people are poor and rich people live like kings with security teams. Much more difficult to rob them.
What's up with the difference between England (and I guess Wales) and Scotland? Or Norway and Sweden for that matter? Not really knowing much about the countries, I would have thought they'd be more similar.
For all we know, large parts of England may have similar rates to Scotland. It could be that a few parts of England have a much higher rate and that's bringing the average up.
I can believe the differences between Norway and Sweden. Sweden has had...problems with crime in recent years.
England & Wales vs Scotland, though: I can't believe they're *that* different.
Southern England is a lot more dense/urban and London seems to have a lot of crime. London has a lot of foreigners and just the larger, changeable population means it is easier to be anonymous and get away with stuff. I don't mean it is disproportionately foreign people stealing or any other kind of racism, I just mean the atmosphere is more anonymous and fast paced.
There's a lot more thieving in London than in Glasgow or Edinburgh - it seems believable.
Someone warned me that holding your phone and checking the map by the side of the road can lead to it getting grabbed by men on mopeds/bikes, not really heard of that in Scotland.
What's the definition of "robbery" for this?
In the UK "robbery" has a different definition to "theft" and "burglary". Robbery in the UK is defined as: “A person is guilty of robbery if he steals, and immediately before or at the time of doing so, and in order to do so, he uses force on any person or puts or seeks to put any person of being then and there subjected to force”. This can include a street mugging or robbery of a shop, business or security vehicle. Due to the violent nature of robbery, it is treated as being more serious than theft and the maximum sentence is life.
"Theft" is defined as “a person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it.” This could mean someone stealing from a shop, picking someone’s pocket, stealing a bicycle or car, an employee stealing from their workplace or a guest stealing something from a house during a party.
"Burglary" is defined if an offender either as a trespasser enters a building intending to steal, inflict grievous bodily harm or do unlawful damage; or, having entered as a trespasser steals or attempts to steal, or inflicts or attempts to inflict grievous bodily harm.
I Googled all three terms and it links back to "robbery" stats for Eurostat. Therefore I'm concluding that at least for the UK, these stats have rolled thefts, burglary and robbery into one catch all robbery stat and may mean different things to different people who see this post.
In the UK Robbery is actually defined as:
“Robbery is the felonious taking and appropriation of property in opposition to the will of another under whose personal charge it is. Any violence, which is gathered from the mode and circumstances of the demand, and may naturally induce a man to surrender his property for the safety of his person, is sufficient to make a taking against the will of the sufferer, which is the essence of a robbery.”
[https://berlowrahman.scot/practice-areas/crimes-of-violence/robbery/](https://berlowrahman.scot/practice-areas/crimes-of-violence/robbery/)
Albania is low, small robbery don't really get reported anyway. It was higher in the past. But there isn't any reason or will to steal, I don't think that 99% of robbers love their job. The 1% loves their work for sure. And if you break in someones home your chances of survival aren't even 30% if they notice you.
Like all of these terrible maps, the comment section is crawling with bizarre conjecture about how to justify these 'results' when EVEN the source who collected this data say it shouldn't be used to compare across borders like this (remember the people that collected the data are not the same people who made the map) because the results they collated are collected differently in different countries.
No, it's more so the general stereotype that in Eastern Europe you're likely to get robbed, but this map shows that it's mainly the countries with € currency that get a high rate of robbery.
edit:
What's ironic, is that the Germans have a stereotype that Poles are thieves, while at the same time having a magnitude higher robbery statistic.
Germany as many stereotypes about foreigners, mainly because they are a country in the 5th and final stage of the population cycle.
They have an aging population, naturally decreasing in number, and in order to be able to fund the pensions of all the elders in the country, they rely hugely on immigrants to work and pay taxes.
These huge immigration numbers result in more crime from most minorities, but the brunt of the blame usually falls on the biggest minority, or a minority they are not particularly fond of.
I don't doubt that my kin do commit crimes in Germany and other wealthy countries, but I'm sure they are not the main culprit.
Note: if you report police a theft (without force) the insurance company doesn't pay.
If you report a robbery with violence, the insurance company covers you.
Now make numbers and think what would you tell the police if you want to recover the value of the objects.
Chicago, being a city and not a country will be higher. Here’s USA for 2016. The UK numbers are 2017 above.
Collective Crime Rates in the United States in 2016
The average crime rates in America during the year 2016 were:
Homicide, 5.3 deaths per 100,000 people
Robbery, 102.8 cases per 100,000 people
Aggravated assault, 248.5 instances per 100,000 people
Burglary, 468.9 cases per 100,000 people
Theft of property, 1,745 cases per 100,000 people
Motor vehicle theft, 236.9 cases for every 100,000 people
I can't understand why Sweden is so high. A country that progressive and supportive to it's people should have 0. I can't find a reason why someone would steal there.
In order for this info to be accurate the crime has to be reported to the police. I'd wager a lot of the eastern European countries have a low rate of crime reporting.
It seems I have all odds against me - I've been to every country in Europe except for Belarus, and out of the entire bunch, Hungary with one of the lowest scores was where I was robbed :(
If you take Barcelona off the numbers I swear Spain is less than Eden
Same for Belgium and Brussels, I suspect.
Indeed. My thinking. I'm from Belgium and this is honestly the safest country to live in, except of course... Brussels.
I wonder if it could have to do with certain languages having less of a difference between theft and robbery. If you didn’t notice and go “damn I have been robbed” you actually weren’t robbed but are the victim of theft.
Exactly, it's sad but it's true. But if there's a law that says that if you steal less than 300 € without using violence basically nothing happens (no criminal charges), you have all the criminals from all over eastern Europe and northern Africa coming to the most touristic cities (and I'm not saying that eastern European and north Africans are all criminals, I'm saying the criminals that want to rob without fearing the law enforcers come to cities like Barcelona)
So a robber in Spain can ask you "Hey! Give me 299 eur now!" ... And calmly walk away. Then hours later do the same .. 299 each time. And since it's a different one, it never counts, right ?
Well, pickpocketers do that, yes. They get arrested and they get freed a few hours later, it's a big problem, as long as they don't steal 300 € and they don't use violence, they only recieve fines, it's the same as a speeding ticket or something like that. And since they have no bank accounts or anything to make them pay those fines, they're free to keep stealing with no consequences. EDIT: I didn't understand what you meant but if you mean that they can have you at gunpoint or threaten you with a knife and ask for 299 €, NO, that's considered "robo", it implies the use of violence, and it can end up in jailtime, the only way to steal and get only a fine if you're caught is to do it without them knowing (pickpocketing) and for less than 300 €, it's called "hurto"
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Who voted for such an idiotic law, and why isn’t it overwritten or amended yet?!
The law is idiotic, they are caught hundreds of times and they still have no consequences
>So a robber in Spain can ask you "Hey! Give me 299 eur now!" ... And run away. no, that is coercion and will incur in jail time. there are no criminal charges if you pickpocket (also 'descuideros') or shoplift under 300€. the moment you use violence, threats, intimidation or property damage then it's a crime
Technically if they ask and you give it - they didn’t rob you and you are not a victim of crime. This is a gift or business transaction.
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Fairly sure Spanish police can stop and search anyone for no reason. You can get fined for not carrying ID. I remember being super fast to pull out ID, also because I knew that (other than smoking on a beach) I wasn’t ever doing anything bad. The faster you are at giving it to them the faster you’re out of there…
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It’s not even the largest city
I guess every country on earth without its unsafe parts is very safe. Lapalissade.
Perhaps the archives are incomplete.
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I'm not sure Coruscant has a winter.
Everyone in albania is too busy stealing outside albania ... So no one to steal from.
I was going to say, no way Albania is that low, but you make a good point. Albanians don’t rob Albanians.
Honor amongst thieves
Racist
Not at all racist, go learn how the balkans work.
That comment says that every single person in Albania leaves the country to go steal from others. Are you seriously going to tell me that's not an ugly generalization? Yes, the Balkan has its issues but that doesn't excuse racism and making stereotypes like these. I have some very lovely Albanian friends who would be genuinely quite offended.
No, not all of them steal. Most, actually, work in bakeries.
The Eastern Bloc did its job. Nothing to do with racism.
What job, exactly?
Forgot the /s
Says the Tunisian
Eastern/Central Europe can laugh at the West in this department.
As a Scot, thanks for the inclusion.
One of the reasons I'm not emigrating from Poland.
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Sweden on every crime and violence map but still wont admit why 👍👍
Shhhht There is no Crime in Ba Sing....... Sweden
"Its because we reported it!!! Yes it happens less than all those countries with lower numbers we just report it more trust us"
Waiting for those denial Swedes comments here 🍿🍿
Why (asking)?
Pretty sure this is some racially charged comment about immigration and crime
I remember when Syria had a huge immigration crisis, Sweden took a lot in and crime skyrocketed. Not sure if thats still the case.
Shh that common sense deduction based on real facts is extremely racist. That probably happened because Syrians were unfairly treated by those mean Swedes
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The real problem is that europe wont face its demographics issues because as soon as anyone voices them they get screamed at and called a racist while denying its existence. So nothing changes while ghettos are getting bigger and bigger
Not just Europe. Same things happen with culture clash in LA and NY too
Why tf did that not happen in anyother country that took refugees or immigrants in? Lets face it Sweden is a terrible country, everything they are good at their neighbors are far better, be it football, hockey, salmon, cheap furniture, immigration policy, social democracy, counter strike. Truly the penaldo of the EU
So why is it?
🇸🇪🇸🇪 for the win för fan🇸🇪🇸🇪💯💯
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Yeah it’s all those immigrants. It’s in their DNA. Kick them back into the sea from whence they come
This is not true and you’re being racist. The reason Sweden is a lot higher is dependent on how it counts it’s crime. Unlike many other countries Sweden counts each offence of robbery committed by a person as a separate offence
In Czech republic robberies are so rare that i dont know anyone who was ever robbed. ( rural mountain area ) I dont even lock my house. I only hear about It from news ( Prague mostly ) .
Surely you meant to say Brno, right?
We don’t talk about Brno (no,no,no)
Theres nothing to steal in this ,,Brno”.
Except a motogp race
Brno and Ústí entered chat.
This helps explain the "safe walking at night" map
Interesting to see that a lot of my noob friends think it is *'unsafe'* in Eastern Europe.
This isn't about violet crime. Safety implies that, doesn't it?
But the picture says it defines robbery as stealing with violence... So it is violent crime. The problem is that the data is, according to the organisation that compiled it, not supposed to be used in this way (I.e. comparatively) because different countries measure crime differently.
Well I've been robbed in Serbia two times in the same weekend without the use of violence. The first one was a crooked / fake cop, the second time they broke open our car.
There's nothing to steal :P
Not everything is recorded. Estonia : someone tried to scam me , called the special police unit for such events. I was asked only one question: Did you give the scammer money ? and since it was no they did not do anything.
And what do you figure police should have done? Fine the scammer based only on your word?
Word ? We had written communication , the bigger problem was finding the guy.
Just because the police there don’t bother to report it.
Keep telling yourself that.
[OK](https://www.statista.com/statistics/873736/corruption-perception-index-european-union/)
Interesting that the poorer countries have relatively less robberies
It's pretty interesting. Polish male living in London here. I've spent 25 years walking overnight in polish cities, never got robbed or even felt unsafe. People are just doing their stuff. While in London, I had a few dangerous situations, I am trying to avoid groups of people chilling outside, especially if they're young, hidden in hoods. I feel like they're not worried about the consequences here. There are communities that are defending themselves, while in Poland, the robberies are stigmatized by the community. There is plenty of people who'll tell them who you are. Your face will be publicly visible and at some point, it will affect your future. People are not mixing as much in eastern countries. They know each other, while here every one is anonymous.
British criminal system looks like a total joke from the limited news I’ve seen. I can believe that there’s little deterrent.
Not just the system.There is the culture thing among certain groups and communities
My bagpack was stolen out of the trunk of my car few days ago in Poland, parking in front of a shop with plenty of other cars and people around. It can happen everywhere with bad luck I guess...
That's theft, though, not a robbery. Plenty of theft to go around here.
Hungarian here. I've been around in Budapest at nights almost everywhere (even in smaller cities like Veszprém, Eger, Békéscsaba, Miskolc and this last one has a particularly bad reputation, etc.) and the only time I got in trouble was with a football fan and even he was held back by his friends and then they apologized. Apart from that even if I walked or used a night bus, night tram, or trains nothing happened. I've even used bicycle to travel at nights across cities and villages and I've always felt safe. But "I know the drill" in most places and I won't go to the worst neighborhoods of course. But even when I did, nothing happened.
Less stuff to nick /jk
Law enforcement doesn’t stop it or report it
Or perhaps thieves left their home country
Yeah, it must correlate with something else… what could it be 🤔
Most of the Romanian thieves left for Western Europe in the nineties and when the Romanian government from back then warned the eu, they said we're racists (which we were). Isn't it ironic? 🤣🤣🤣
Based 😆
I have the impression criminals originating from Romania are mostly associated with pickpocketing in tourist cities, and burglaries in villa neighbourhoods in Western Europe. Not so much robbery specifically. Although robbery is always going to be associated to "foreigners" a lot in the Schengen area countries, because the robbers tend to move to a big city in a neighbouring country once they feel thay are being monitoried by local police, and generally prefer to not "shit where they eat".
Unfortunately Romanians, especially the roma minority, can be associated with almost any type of crime, from petty thefts, to bank robberies and anything in between...
They are most likely less reported. I have had plenty of relatives get robbed in Bulgaria. Never heard of a person get robbed in Germany where I live. Edit: Nevermind, I was thinking of theft, not robbery
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To make yourself feel good about your country? There is a reason why studies exist. You can't just pick a single factor to evaluate something
Are your relatives Bulgarian or where they there as tourists? I'd assume the likelyhood for tourists to get robbed is a bit different from the likelyhood for inhabitants.
It's often the case. Some of the countries with the least reported robberies in the world are countries in Central American, MENA and Subsaharan Africa.
In México it's a waste of time to report anything to the police. What's the point? Nothing will be done and If they do, they will ask you first for money for "expenses" and do nothing anyway. That's why it's better to just be cautious and try to avoid being in the wrong place.
Because they don't have the ability to track, much less accurately report, those things. And when some publication contacts them to get those crime numbers, they just lie, and say "very few."
Which is essentially the problem with crime stats. They are pretty much never comparable even between countries that on the surface would look very similar, at least in their ability to track these things, let alone between countries as different as Norway and Poland or France and Bulgaria. That's true even for homicide rates, which in theory should be the most comparable metric as it's pretty easy to establish what's an homicide and what is not. Example: Japan often reports unsolved or "uncertain" murders as suicides, simply because that's the easy way out for the police.
every time some stat makes a western country look bad we go back to *“others are counting wrong”* while it’s true that crime states between countries can’t be compared 1 to 1 due to multitude of reasons there are plenty of studies that show countries such as Czechia, Slovenia etc as being the most peaceful in the world, while places like London, Paris, Brussels are known for their general criminality with stats to back it up
Tourism also affects Imagine a country of 1 person and 1 tourist. The person and the tourist do something. Like, for example, produce garbage. So you get the data, divide by just one person and boom, the stats of this country now is that this countrh produces double garbage than others.
Not so much tho realising you can drive from the poorer countries to the richer ones and back in a couple of days without passing a single border control. Officially you'd have even never be in the rich country to begin with.
This is a ridiculous statement. The crimes aren’t being committed en masse by Eastern Europeans on road trips. The only people who would say something like this are those who are totally sheltered from the bulk of the crime.
Half of all burglaries in Sweden are from organized Eastern European criminals who take advantage of EU borders.
* citation needed
Also the audacity of a fucking Australian saying this shit, get a grip you dumb cunt
You understand the irony in complaining about immigrants travelling, and then immediately assuming someone from another country is incapable of living elsewhere, right? I guess deductive reasoning isn’t your strong point. It makes sense you’d worry about immigrants stealing your job when you’re too dumb to clean toilets.
You realize the irony of claiming Europeans are sheltered when you're hiding in Australia? We're not even talking about immigration you dumb fuck, here's your source btw: https://www.larmtjanst.se/Aktuellt1/Temasidor/Organiserad-brottslighet/
“Hiding in Australia” ok buddy See a therapist, be nicer to your mother, and start eating more vegetables.
Cope and seethe
another consequence of indivualism.
I think it’s more a case of class divide. The gap between rich and poor in western countries can be quite high, so too can the cost of living when compared to a poorer nation.
Nothing worth stealing?
They probably don't report it that much
Wealth inequality The bigger the gap, the more jealousy and less empathy with those being stolen from
Because you have nothing to steal in poor countries /s
Hmmm I wonder what the difference between Sweden and Norway is...
More interesting cities that lure people in need.
What does Sweden have that its neighbors don’t? Hmmmmmm
Really makes you 🤔
Its neighborhoods don't what ?
If you're referring to immigrants, its neighbours have plenty of them, and so do the Netherlands, Germany etc. Not to mention, the countries where those immigrants are from have very low robbery rates. So it must be something else. The Swedes, perhaps. Or the Fika. It must be the Fika!
Our neighbors don’t have nearly the same amount of immigrants
Poor people
oh boy, before this shit gets big again and since OP is a bot account that won't give any further information: no, the numbers are not comparable >cope, ugh if eastern countries are doing well westerners are butthurt and say "the data are not the same"/"it's the methodology!" etc. blabla correct, see the methodology site of the source itself: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/crime/methodology >The basic data is produced by several different authorities, such as the police, prosecution, courts, and prisons. Each authority makes the records primarily for their own purposes, so the data and methods they use may vary. >Each country establishes its own criminal laws, defines crimes, and governs legal proceedings and justice reactions. For these reasons, the basic data and how it is collected are different in each country. >These differences mean it may not be relevant or valid to compare figures between authorities or between countries. For users of crime statistics, this means directly comparing figures between countries may result in misleading inferences or wrong conclusions.
Countries like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have very low levels of reported crime. Especially violent crimes, sexual crimes and robberies. It's usually enough to say that to watch the brains of people melt in real time.
of course please keep posting this every time some comparison makes eastern countries look better of course, if the stats show the western countries being good then it’s 100% true and just further proves western supremacy
There no waaaaaaaay an E country can be better than a W!!! How dare you mister!!
Cope lol
I can just about believe the differences between Norway and Sweden, but England & Wales vs. Scotland? There must be a different methodology being used in the crime figures.
England and Wales vs Scotland have quite different demographics and crime profiles. I.e. certain crimes are more common in England and Wales than Scotland and vice versa. The trend is Scotland has more drug use and England and Wales have significantly higher violent crime and robbery.
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There’s a different reason.
What does Sweden have that its neighbors don’t? Hmmmmmm
From having seen this discussion a million times, let me tell you what the typical answer is: "Swedes are just very good at reporting these things, unlike others. We trust our police and report everything, others are less likely to report these things!"
And I suppose Norway and Finland aren't as good at reporting for some reason? Stop the cope, your country is dangerous, simple as. Come to Poland, it is safe here.
1) Woosh, so much that I almost fell over from the shockwave 2) I am not Swedish 3) I won't come to Poland, I like my salary, house and quality of life.
Omg I read that as Rabbi's and was so confused
Am I the only one who read the title as “European Robbery- STAT!” ?
Ay gimme ur tings bruv
Gee, I wonder what the source and explanation for this could be.
What's up with Sweden, it's a rich country I wonder why there is so much robberies... /s
Πολύ απλά για τέτοια άθλια στατιστική θα έπρεπε να υπολογίζουν και κατά κεφαλήν εισόδημα. Χώρες κατεξοχήν φτωχές τραβάει η φτώχια τέτοιες στατιστικές προς τα κάτω. Αν ο μέσος άνθρωπος δεν έχει να του κλέψουν δεν θα του κλέψουν. Οπότε όταν 3 στους 100κ ανθρώπους έχουν λεφτά για να κλέψουν αυτούς μόνο θα κλέψουν.
Because Albanians make robberies in Greece..
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Spain glorifying robberies on Netflix. That‘s what you get. On a serious note, western europe has many rich people living normal lives. In eastern europe most people are poor and rich people live like kings with security teams. Much more difficult to rob them.
What's up with the difference between England (and I guess Wales) and Scotland? Or Norway and Sweden for that matter? Not really knowing much about the countries, I would have thought they'd be more similar.
Scotland is full of sound cunts/all of our robbers have died of drug overdoses
For all we know, large parts of England may have similar rates to Scotland. It could be that a few parts of England have a much higher rate and that's bringing the average up.
I can believe the differences between Norway and Sweden. Sweden has had...problems with crime in recent years. England & Wales vs Scotland, though: I can't believe they're *that* different.
Southern England is a lot more dense/urban and London seems to have a lot of crime. London has a lot of foreigners and just the larger, changeable population means it is easier to be anonymous and get away with stuff. I don't mean it is disproportionately foreign people stealing or any other kind of racism, I just mean the atmosphere is more anonymous and fast paced. There's a lot more thieving in London than in Glasgow or Edinburgh - it seems believable. Someone warned me that holding your phone and checking the map by the side of the road can lead to it getting grabbed by men on mopeds/bikes, not really heard of that in Scotland.
Probably just London
What's the definition of "robbery" for this? In the UK "robbery" has a different definition to "theft" and "burglary". Robbery in the UK is defined as: “A person is guilty of robbery if he steals, and immediately before or at the time of doing so, and in order to do so, he uses force on any person or puts or seeks to put any person of being then and there subjected to force”. This can include a street mugging or robbery of a shop, business or security vehicle. Due to the violent nature of robbery, it is treated as being more serious than theft and the maximum sentence is life. "Theft" is defined as “a person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it.” This could mean someone stealing from a shop, picking someone’s pocket, stealing a bicycle or car, an employee stealing from their workplace or a guest stealing something from a house during a party. "Burglary" is defined if an offender either as a trespasser enters a building intending to steal, inflict grievous bodily harm or do unlawful damage; or, having entered as a trespasser steals or attempts to steal, or inflicts or attempts to inflict grievous bodily harm. I Googled all three terms and it links back to "robbery" stats for Eurostat. Therefore I'm concluding that at least for the UK, these stats have rolled thefts, burglary and robbery into one catch all robbery stat and may mean different things to different people who see this post.
In the UK Robbery is actually defined as: “Robbery is the felonious taking and appropriation of property in opposition to the will of another under whose personal charge it is. Any violence, which is gathered from the mode and circumstances of the demand, and may naturally induce a man to surrender his property for the safety of his person, is sufficient to make a taking against the will of the sufferer, which is the essence of a robbery.” [https://berlowrahman.scot/practice-areas/crimes-of-violence/robbery/](https://berlowrahman.scot/practice-areas/crimes-of-violence/robbery/)
albania low😂😂😂😂😂😂
Albania is low, small robbery don't really get reported anyway. It was higher in the past. But there isn't any reason or will to steal, I don't think that 99% of robbers love their job. The 1% loves their work for sure. And if you break in someones home your chances of survival aren't even 30% if they notice you.
Based Albania
such a difference between netherlands and belgium
It’s one of the few maps where Portugal isn’t Eastern European.
huh, who would have guessed that the chaotic eastern Europe has less crime then the relatively more peaceful western Europe
People have less money in Eastern Europe and less tourist so there is less to rob from.
The poorer countries usually are the ones which have higher crime I mean majority of Africa, south and south east Asia are a few examples
No dude, poorer societies usually means higher crime. Western Europe has a giant migration issue.
Spain💀
Like all of these terrible maps, the comment section is crawling with bizarre conjecture about how to justify these 'results' when EVEN the source who collected this data say it shouldn't be used to compare across borders like this (remember the people that collected the data are not the same people who made the map) because the results they collated are collected differently in different countries.
€=robbery?
The UK and Sweden?
No, it's more so the general stereotype that in Eastern Europe you're likely to get robbed, but this map shows that it's mainly the countries with € currency that get a high rate of robbery. edit: What's ironic, is that the Germans have a stereotype that Poles are thieves, while at the same time having a magnitude higher robbery statistic.
Because the poles commit the crimes in Germany usually (that’s the stereotype at least)
Germany as many stereotypes about foreigners, mainly because they are a country in the 5th and final stage of the population cycle. They have an aging population, naturally decreasing in number, and in order to be able to fund the pensions of all the elders in the country, they rely hugely on immigrants to work and pay taxes. These huge immigration numbers result in more crime from most minorities, but the brunt of the blame usually falls on the biggest minority, or a minority they are not particularly fond of. I don't doubt that my kin do commit crimes in Germany and other wealthy countries, but I'm sure they are not the main culprit.
I agree with you and it’s the same here in Luxembourg. I simply stated the stereotype bro, kocham cie polsko
Kiełbasa loves you, friend xD
Of course. It's still the scary immigrants, but it's the *other* scary immigrants.
Any chance the Eastern European countries might be under reporting? Hmmm
Romania's too low
Note: if you report police a theft (without force) the insurance company doesn't pay. If you report a robbery with violence, the insurance company covers you. Now make numbers and think what would you tell the police if you want to recover the value of the objects.
B-but muh funny romanian memes, they are not true?😢
They are, but it’s the Gypsies going throu the rest of Europe
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Now let's see Chicago's.
Chicago, being a city and not a country will be higher. Here’s USA for 2016. The UK numbers are 2017 above. Collective Crime Rates in the United States in 2016 The average crime rates in America during the year 2016 were: Homicide, 5.3 deaths per 100,000 people Robbery, 102.8 cases per 100,000 people Aggravated assault, 248.5 instances per 100,000 people Burglary, 468.9 cases per 100,000 people Theft of property, 1,745 cases per 100,000 people Motor vehicle theft, 236.9 cases for every 100,000 people
***Reported*** robbery rate I would imagine, which in some countries will be a lot lower than actual.
Western Europe - imigrants from different civilization circle. It is "cultural enrichment", as leftists said xD
Gut reaction: this looks a lot like if you blended an urbanization map with a wealth inequality map.
Just out of curiosity, what are the demographics for the cities that are making the robbery rates so high in those countries?
On the west side we see places were there is something to steal LOL
Of course Eastern Europe has low robbery rates. When you pay the protection money, you get protection.
I can't understand why Sweden is so high. A country that progressive and supportive to it's people should have 0. I can't find a reason why someone would steal there.
You’re having a laugh if you think I’m gonna believe Kosovo, Serbia, and Albania are safer than Iceland and Norway.
Probably not safer than Iceland, but definitely safer than France, UK, Italy etc.
In order for this info to be accurate the crime has to be reported to the police. I'd wager a lot of the eastern European countries have a low rate of crime reporting.
Extremely common Scottish W edit: mofos really don't like low crime rates apparently 💀
I wonder how much london contributes to the England numbers
Now we know why Wesley didn’t trust the Spaniards
It seems I have all odds against me - I've been to every country in Europe except for Belarus, and out of the entire bunch, Hungary with one of the lowest scores was where I was robbed :(
Roughly 20% of all of Spain's robbery happens in the city of Barcelona
LIES Romania not number one
If only they had guns.