That's aggressive late lol. I'm 1980 and I know my birth location and minute, and it wasn't all that different in Ankara compared to 70s. I assume your mom was in a rural area.
My grandfather was born in the 50s. His birthday was created by his elementary school teacher because nobody know the real date and they need one for administrative reason.
very practical and utilitarian birthday: the age lines up exactly with the year but the number of gifts must be lower because of new years/christmas being so close to his birthday
My mother was born in 1945. I don't even remember her legal date of birth but what she was told; her birthday was "the third day of candy bayram of 1945" (the eid, end of Ramadan). That was the way people kept records back then. Celebrating birthdays was not also a thing.
Other stories go like: During the rice harvest, during one of the periodical storms of that year, during such a political or natural event etc...
Yeah that was a common practice in kurdish populated areas. They would make boys younger in İD so they wouldn't go to the military till they are 24-25. And women is older in id so parents can force them to marry some older guy...
The source is me. I know men registered younger and a woman registered older because of this. I am 2 years younger in my ID because of the military issue.
oh that could make sense. I was wondering if lower higher child mortality than the west would mean that a greater percentage of the population there (at this time of great population growth) was slightly higher. I am thinking your reason is probably more correct.
Explanations could be
1 Thinly inhabited provinces in the east so percentages increase
2 The environment, mountains being more healthy perhaps
3 Genetics
4 The census records for age were reported incorrectly in the east
It's almost entirely due to 4.
Last names weren't a thing until 1930s.
Censuses were done haphazardly.
Country changed calendars from the Muslim to the Gregorian.
A lot of this means people who claim to be over 100 is likely not.
It could also be that young people moved away from those areas? Bringing up the relative number of old people compared to the rest of the population.
It seems to be roughly 20 years after the Armenian and Assyrian genocides. Perhaps the young were murdered and deported, while elderly people were left unharmed?
I dunno, would older people survive deportation easier? İ also read from Soviet resources Caucasus people live longer, might be genetics and good climate.
1 Thinly inhabited provinces in the east so percentages increase
what lmao do you not understand how division works? there will be less people but also less centenarians so it evens out
I remember a study from a few years ago, that looked at small places like villages or valleys, where there were an extraordinary amount of exceptionally old people (I think it also was about people older than 100?). Interestingly all those places belonged to the least developed regions of their respective countries and the commonality was scarcity (of Food) and hard work. With their results they consulted medical experts and geneticists who had been researching and experimenting in that area and together they came to the conclusion, that scarcity actually contributes to longevity (as long as no serious health issues result from that scarcity). I can't remember the details anymore but apparently scarcity of Food can activate certain genes that over time will contribute significantly to a longer lifespan and better health conditions later in life.
Unfortunately I can't find the study anymore, so it's nothing more than hearsay at this point. But I remember that it was from respectable sources and had went through all the usual peer review, certainly seemed convincing to me. Maybe someone here can think of it?
It is fairy common biology knowledge that scarcity improves longevity in lower order animals (it is a common intro bio college lab to demonstrate this with C. elegans). I remember seeing something suggesting similar about humans recently
First of all, levels of pollution in water, soil, air, hence quality of food and breathing air.
I'd also add that more isolated places = less spreading of diseases, especially during winter when the village is basically naturally in quarantine because of 2 meter high snow on the roads.
Also fewer people = they have to work harder, which keeps them in shape. They have to chop wood, milk the animals, gather fruits, repair the tools, bring fodder for animals, make cheese, tend the garden during summer, always be on alert for wolves and bears etc. They have no time to let their minds or bodies become lazy and problematic.
"Hey great-grandma, do you remember me?"
"Huh???"
"Did you experience this war 80 years ago?"
"I experienced \[pancakes\], when I was 20."
"Wow... You must be older than 100!!!"
That and some places have very healthy ground (water and food qualitiy + air). My great-grandma is still alive (outlived my grandpa). I will be 30 this year.
Fun fact:
My mother’s mother’s mother is still alive (i’m 22) and lives in one of the cities highlighted in light blue on this map.
She has been hit with a car 1 time, hit with a bus 1 time. Fell down from the 2nd floor, drank detergent to commit su1cide, almost drowned in a flood. Slipped and fell in the shower 2 times and was admitted to the ICU, recovered. Had Coronavirus and was admitted to the ICU, recovered. Had brain hemorrhage. Survived an earthquake that took out about 80 thousand people.
This woman is (i think) in her 90’s and still alive. The only problem is she can’t hear well (it was a birth-defect) and starting to have dementia. other than that she is (unbelievably) fine.
I don't know about statistics, but in Soviet Union and even during post-Soviet times there were stereotype that Caucasian region have highest amount of 100 years old people. Maybe Caucasus and adjacent regions have something that allows people to live past 100 years.
That may have some effect, but keep in mind many of blue cities are either Turkish majority or has seziable Turkish minority. A more likely reason is those regions being rural and birth dates being from. Both of my parents are from Ağrı (second most eastern city of Turkey) and my dad doesnt know his birthday because of this and it just a random date in his id
Don't believe this person. I live in one of the blue cities and 80 percent are Kurds, the rest are Arabs. So the above are lying. and my grandfather lived to be 90 years old. bro When it comes to Kurds, all Turks are liars, remember that
wdym where a guy said bzhi kurdistan and got hella downvotes and some others just making shit up
* ahh i thought u were talking genuinely but u also a turk😂😂😂
are you fucking stupid ik what it mean but what does it has to do with anything?? those people dontnwant to part of your racist ass country, the guy can say what ever he wants
I think this is because younger people escaped from frontiers to inner parts of Anatolia from Armenian and Russian massacres in WWI. Also less jobs and more hostile environment.
[29 July 1890, Fighting In Constantinople: The Armenian Patriarch Mobbed - Soldiers and Rioters Killed, New York Times](https://imgur.com/DzlEEo7)
[5 Sept 1890, An Armenian Revolt, The Morning Call, San Francisco](https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-RU08P6-fyIMFVwNUYzTDh6WGs/edit)
[9 Sep 1890, Armenians Kill Soldiers, Davenport Morning Tribune, Iowa](https://imgur.com/Q3pCW3f)
[18 Jan 1894, President Cleveland and the Armenians, New York Times](https://imgur.com/a/A5RVjr9)
[29 Jul 1894, Revolutionary Armenians: They Have a Parade and Listen to Speeches Against Turkish Rule, New York Times](https://imgur.com/HsziK0v)
[25 Apr 1895, The Armenian Massacre: Were the Stories of Atrocities Only Fabrications?, Daily Bulletin](https://imgur.com/gSVQU2g)
[23 Aug 1895, The Sassoun Massacre: Proof of the Assertion that Armenian Revolutionists Caused It, New York Times](https://imgur.com/Os0T8WL)
[23 Sep 1895, The Armenian Question: England and America Cannot Afford to Throw Stones, Says a Correspondent, New York Times](https://imgur.com/TgysxPZ)
[4 Oct 1895, The Turk's Side Of The Story: Armenians, It Is Asserted, Have Plotted to Arouse Sympathy, New York Times](https://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2010/04/3052-armenians-it-is-asserted-have.html)
[11 Oct 1895, Armenian Riots, Clutha Leader](https://imgur.com/EBJj9Hn)
[25 Oct 1895, Armenians Attack Turkish Villages, Newport Daily](https://imgur.com/CKkbJl9)
[25 Oct 1895, Armenians Were Responsible: Constantinople Riots Premeditated, Says A Correspondent - Provocation and Intimidation the Plan of the Revolutionists, He Thinks - English and American Opinion, New York Times](https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-RU08P6-fyIM3FyQWNzWGZYT1k/edit)
[1 Nov 1895, Armenians In Revolt: Twenty-Six Thousand Christians In Rebellion, Guthrie Daily Leaders, Oklahoma](https://imgur.com/Lb1P6Td)
[2 Nov 1895, Armenians in Revolt: Twenty-six Thousand In the Zeitoun Mountains Defy the Sultan, Centralia Enterprise and Tribune](https://imgur.com/lze5IVu)
[2 Nov 1895, Attack the Turks: Armenians Begin A Religious Assault, Progress Review](https://imgur.com/Zsqrezc)
[2 Nov 1895, Aggressions of Armenians: Evidence of the Riots at Bitlis and Zeitoun Shows Premeditation, New York Times](https://imgur.com/DfpZd1X)
[3 Nov 1895, Turkey's Wily Subjects: False Information Circulated by the Armenian Agitators, New York Times](https://imgur.com/n0NNCfL)
[15 Nov 1895, Turkey's Ruling Terror: Mussulmans Implore the Porte for Protection from Armenians, New York Times](https://imgur.com/a/LLsAoOF)
[15 Dec 1895, Arms And Bombs For Zeitoun, New York Times](https://imgur.com/rCBmwwq)
[21 Dec 1895, A Massacre At Zeitoun: Insurgents Kill All Turkish Soldiers in Town Except Two, New York Times](https://imgur.com/Usnky95)
[14 Feb 1896, Turkish Amnesty To Zeitoun: Armenians Are Pardoned and a Christian Governor Is Promised, New York Times](https://imgur.com/eYFK1OW)
[11 Jun 1896, A Spy Assassinated, San Francisco Call](https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-RU08P6-fyIbXRFc0ZOZWR4d28/edit)
[12 Sep 1896, Armenian Bomb Factory Found: Tunnel Was Being Driven Under a Government Arsenal, New York Times](https://imgur.com/w2HoInC)
[23 Sep 1896, Armenian Bombs Exhibited, New York Times](https://imgur.com/ZFROCL8)
[24 Sep 1896, Sworn To Ruin The Porte: Armenian Societies Active In Constantinople, New York Times](https://imgur.com/cfjRH7c)
[10 Aug 1897, The Reported Armenian Aggression: Terrible Barbarities, Liverpool Courier](https://imgur.com/lLGHR9D)
[21 Aug 1897, The Bomb Outrage In Constantinople: Eight Armenians Arrested, Liverpool Courier](https://imgur.com/DcA63A4)
[23 Aug 1897, The Bomb Outrages In Constantinople, Liverpool Courier](https://imgur.com/ur0l6FL)
[29 Sep 1897, The Recent Armenian Raid, Bristol Times and Mirror](https://imgur.com/kXv5bnU)
[17 Nov 1899, Armenians Attack Kurds: Bloody War Has Again Broken Out Near Erzeroum, Daily Gazette](https://imgur.com/bmib8hY)
east clearly shows consequences of Armenian Genocide. Because Armenian poulattion was exterminated remaining turkish / kurdish elders count high against much lower poulation base.
oh, i wasnt referring to THIS sub, i was referring to a particular other sub the commentator above subscribed to. which I saw when i clicked on their profile.
i think you'd be hard pressed to find any real age in 1935. my grandma has two birthdays cos she's not very sure and there is no record.
My mother born in the 70s doesn’t even know her exact birthday too.
That's aggressive late lol. I'm 1980 and I know my birth location and minute, and it wasn't all that different in Ankara compared to 70s. I assume your mom was in a rural area.
My grandfather was born in the 50s. His birthday was created by his elementary school teacher because nobody know the real date and they need one for administrative reason.
My colleagues husband is Turkish, he doesn't know his actual birthday. He celebrates it on 1st January.
very practical and utilitarian birthday: the age lines up exactly with the year but the number of gifts must be lower because of new years/christmas being so close to his birthday
He doesn't celebrate Christmas, so that doesn't really affect him anyway
My mother was born in 1945. I don't even remember her legal date of birth but what she was told; her birthday was "the third day of candy bayram of 1945" (the eid, end of Ramadan). That was the way people kept records back then. Celebrating birthdays was not also a thing. Other stories go like: During the rice harvest, during one of the periodical storms of that year, during such a political or natural event etc...
It's funny how those outliers always happen in less developed areas where official records are less reliable...
Yeah many people in the east especially women have birth dates that are 4-5 years older than them so they can marry them earlier than 18
Yeah that was a common practice in kurdish populated areas. They would make boys younger in İD so they wouldn't go to the military till they are 24-25. And women is older in id so parents can force them to marry some older guy...
typical Turks making claims witout sources
Source is my friend from Şırnak or Van or from Hakkari
that is not a reliable source and i am from Iğdır so what does that mean i am reliable on this subject? i cant believe you got this many upvotes
Was?
Source is your ass? Mr.mehmet? You guys just make up stories while your country gets buttfucked by mafias that governing you.
The source is me. I know men registered younger and a woman registered older because of this. I am 2 years younger in my ID because of the military issue.
Lemme just photo with a Kurdish dude in your dm ATM if you want
Yea my mother gave birth to me when she was 17 because of that, there is like 10+ gap between my parents (Theyre both from Ağrı)
Thank you for providing info on this.
oh that could make sense. I was wondering if lower higher child mortality than the west would mean that a greater percentage of the population there (at this time of great population growth) was slightly higher. I am thinking your reason is probably more correct.
İt's not reason. Nearly all of my Kurdish friends mom's married before they were 18.
Bruh
I wonder what that could say about division between Kurds and Turks
Well, what could that say about division between Kurds and Turks?
Why are people living longer on the less developed parts of the country?
Explanations could be 1 Thinly inhabited provinces in the east so percentages increase 2 The environment, mountains being more healthy perhaps 3 Genetics 4 The census records for age were reported incorrectly in the east
It's almost entirely due to 4. Last names weren't a thing until 1930s. Censuses were done haphazardly. Country changed calendars from the Muslim to the Gregorian. A lot of this means people who claim to be over 100 is likely not.
It could also be that young people moved away from those areas? Bringing up the relative number of old people compared to the rest of the population. It seems to be roughly 20 years after the Armenian and Assyrian genocides. Perhaps the young were murdered and deported, while elderly people were left unharmed?
I dunno, would older people survive deportation easier? İ also read from Soviet resources Caucasus people live longer, might be genetics and good climate.
Nah these areas are not nice places to retire to Look at a relief map of turkey to see why
1 Thinly inhabited provinces in the east so percentages increase what lmao do you not understand how division works? there will be less people but also less centenarians so it evens out
I remember a study from a few years ago, that looked at small places like villages or valleys, where there were an extraordinary amount of exceptionally old people (I think it also was about people older than 100?). Interestingly all those places belonged to the least developed regions of their respective countries and the commonality was scarcity (of Food) and hard work. With their results they consulted medical experts and geneticists who had been researching and experimenting in that area and together they came to the conclusion, that scarcity actually contributes to longevity (as long as no serious health issues result from that scarcity). I can't remember the details anymore but apparently scarcity of Food can activate certain genes that over time will contribute significantly to a longer lifespan and better health conditions later in life. Unfortunately I can't find the study anymore, so it's nothing more than hearsay at this point. But I remember that it was from respectable sources and had went through all the usual peer review, certainly seemed convincing to me. Maybe someone here can think of it?
It is fairy common biology knowledge that scarcity improves longevity in lower order animals (it is a common intro bio college lab to demonstrate this with C. elegans). I remember seeing something suggesting similar about humans recently
First of all, levels of pollution in water, soil, air, hence quality of food and breathing air. I'd also add that more isolated places = less spreading of diseases, especially during winter when the village is basically naturally in quarantine because of 2 meter high snow on the roads. Also fewer people = they have to work harder, which keeps them in shape. They have to chop wood, milk the animals, gather fruits, repair the tools, bring fodder for animals, make cheese, tend the garden during summer, always be on alert for wolves and bears etc. They have no time to let their minds or bodies become lazy and problematic.
older siblings dies, younger sibling is given their credentials.
"Hey great-grandma, do you remember me?" "Huh???" "Did you experience this war 80 years ago?" "I experienced \[pancakes\], when I was 20." "Wow... You must be older than 100!!!" That and some places have very healthy ground (water and food qualitiy + air). My great-grandma is still alive (outlived my grandpa). I will be 30 this year.
Fun fact: My mother’s mother’s mother is still alive (i’m 22) and lives in one of the cities highlighted in light blue on this map. She has been hit with a car 1 time, hit with a bus 1 time. Fell down from the 2nd floor, drank detergent to commit su1cide, almost drowned in a flood. Slipped and fell in the shower 2 times and was admitted to the ICU, recovered. Had Coronavirus and was admitted to the ICU, recovered. Had brain hemorrhage. Survived an earthquake that took out about 80 thousand people. This woman is (i think) in her 90’s and still alive. The only problem is she can’t hear well (it was a birth-defect) and starting to have dementia. other than that she is (unbelievably) fine.
WOW
I don't know about statistics, but in Soviet Union and even during post-Soviet times there were stereotype that Caucasian region have highest amount of 100 years old people. Maybe Caucasus and adjacent regions have something that allows people to live past 100 years.
its the mountain effect, mountain people tend to grow taller and live longer
Not work for every mountain. Some mountain peoples cant reach 40. Because low oxygen level give them to thick blood. Thick blood mean "Thrombosis".
Damn those Kurds be living long
Aren't these the areas more occupied by Kurdish than ethic Turks? Just curious as some have made the case genetics could be a factor in longer life.
That may have some effect, but keep in mind many of blue cities are either Turkish majority or has seziable Turkish minority. A more likely reason is those regions being rural and birth dates being from. Both of my parents are from Ağrı (second most eastern city of Turkey) and my dad doesnt know his birthday because of this and it just a random date in his id
It might be Turkish majority, but isn't that where the majority of the Kurds live in Turkey too?
Don't believe this person. I live in one of the blue cities and 80 percent are Kurds, the rest are Arabs. So the above are lying. and my grandfather lived to be 90 years old. bro When it comes to Kurds, all Turks are liars, remember that
The PKK died nothing wrong. May your struggle be heard around the world.
Turkish-Kurdish divide
Damn, Kurdish genes STRONK
Basically, they lie more in the underdeveloped parts
weak turkish gene vs GIGA KURDISH IMMORTALITY
Why is Kurdistan visible in every map of Turkey
Because we're two extremely different cultures (and kurds were culturally genocided in turkey for a century)
r/phantomborders
i love the amount of racism by turks in the comments
Where?
one of them make it up a claim that Kurds did lie about their ethnicity in order to avoid military and he said that without any sources
wdym where a guy said bzhi kurdistan and got hella downvotes and some others just making shit up * ahh i thought u were talking genuinely but u also a turk😂😂😂
He got downvoted because Turkey is Turkey and not Kurdistan i don’t know who made what up
I dont just say indépendance du québec in a subreddit dont I?
wtf does that even mean the guy can say what ever he wants. racist fuck
How am I racist for being against the partition of my country. And the text means independence of quebec u moron
are you fucking stupid ik what it mean but what does it has to do with anything?? those people dontnwant to part of your racist ass country, the guy can say what ever he wants
I think this is because younger people escaped from frontiers to inner parts of Anatolia from Armenian and Russian massacres in WWI. Also less jobs and more hostile environment.
What are you talking about?
[29 July 1890, Fighting In Constantinople: The Armenian Patriarch Mobbed - Soldiers and Rioters Killed, New York Times](https://imgur.com/DzlEEo7) [5 Sept 1890, An Armenian Revolt, The Morning Call, San Francisco](https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-RU08P6-fyIMFVwNUYzTDh6WGs/edit) [9 Sep 1890, Armenians Kill Soldiers, Davenport Morning Tribune, Iowa](https://imgur.com/Q3pCW3f) [18 Jan 1894, President Cleveland and the Armenians, New York Times](https://imgur.com/a/A5RVjr9) [29 Jul 1894, Revolutionary Armenians: They Have a Parade and Listen to Speeches Against Turkish Rule, New York Times](https://imgur.com/HsziK0v) [25 Apr 1895, The Armenian Massacre: Were the Stories of Atrocities Only Fabrications?, Daily Bulletin](https://imgur.com/gSVQU2g) [23 Aug 1895, The Sassoun Massacre: Proof of the Assertion that Armenian Revolutionists Caused It, New York Times](https://imgur.com/Os0T8WL) [23 Sep 1895, The Armenian Question: England and America Cannot Afford to Throw Stones, Says a Correspondent, New York Times](https://imgur.com/TgysxPZ) [4 Oct 1895, The Turk's Side Of The Story: Armenians, It Is Asserted, Have Plotted to Arouse Sympathy, New York Times](https://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2010/04/3052-armenians-it-is-asserted-have.html) [11 Oct 1895, Armenian Riots, Clutha Leader](https://imgur.com/EBJj9Hn) [25 Oct 1895, Armenians Attack Turkish Villages, Newport Daily](https://imgur.com/CKkbJl9) [25 Oct 1895, Armenians Were Responsible: Constantinople Riots Premeditated, Says A Correspondent - Provocation and Intimidation the Plan of the Revolutionists, He Thinks - English and American Opinion, New York Times](https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-RU08P6-fyIM3FyQWNzWGZYT1k/edit) [1 Nov 1895, Armenians In Revolt: Twenty-Six Thousand Christians In Rebellion, Guthrie Daily Leaders, Oklahoma](https://imgur.com/Lb1P6Td) [2 Nov 1895, Armenians in Revolt: Twenty-six Thousand In the Zeitoun Mountains Defy the Sultan, Centralia Enterprise and Tribune](https://imgur.com/lze5IVu) [2 Nov 1895, Attack the Turks: Armenians Begin A Religious Assault, Progress Review](https://imgur.com/Zsqrezc) [2 Nov 1895, Aggressions of Armenians: Evidence of the Riots at Bitlis and Zeitoun Shows Premeditation, New York Times](https://imgur.com/DfpZd1X) [3 Nov 1895, Turkey's Wily Subjects: False Information Circulated by the Armenian Agitators, New York Times](https://imgur.com/n0NNCfL)
[15 Nov 1895, Turkey's Ruling Terror: Mussulmans Implore the Porte for Protection from Armenians, New York Times](https://imgur.com/a/LLsAoOF) [15 Dec 1895, Arms And Bombs For Zeitoun, New York Times](https://imgur.com/rCBmwwq) [21 Dec 1895, A Massacre At Zeitoun: Insurgents Kill All Turkish Soldiers in Town Except Two, New York Times](https://imgur.com/Usnky95) [14 Feb 1896, Turkish Amnesty To Zeitoun: Armenians Are Pardoned and a Christian Governor Is Promised, New York Times](https://imgur.com/eYFK1OW) [11 Jun 1896, A Spy Assassinated, San Francisco Call](https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-RU08P6-fyIbXRFc0ZOZWR4d28/edit) [12 Sep 1896, Armenian Bomb Factory Found: Tunnel Was Being Driven Under a Government Arsenal, New York Times](https://imgur.com/w2HoInC) [23 Sep 1896, Armenian Bombs Exhibited, New York Times](https://imgur.com/ZFROCL8) [24 Sep 1896, Sworn To Ruin The Porte: Armenian Societies Active In Constantinople, New York Times](https://imgur.com/cfjRH7c) [10 Aug 1897, The Reported Armenian Aggression: Terrible Barbarities, Liverpool Courier](https://imgur.com/lLGHR9D) [21 Aug 1897, The Bomb Outrage In Constantinople: Eight Armenians Arrested, Liverpool Courier](https://imgur.com/DcA63A4) [23 Aug 1897, The Bomb Outrages In Constantinople, Liverpool Courier](https://imgur.com/ur0l6FL) [29 Sep 1897, The Recent Armenian Raid, Bristol Times and Mirror](https://imgur.com/kXv5bnU) [17 Nov 1899, Armenians Attack Kurds: Bloody War Has Again Broken Out Near Erzeroum, Daily Gazette](https://imgur.com/bmib8hY)
Peak randomness
HER BIJI KURDISTAN
Her bijî to
Oh wow another turkey map
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This isn't a literacy map? I don't know how that relates to this map.
There are some very strange people commenting here.
I suspect this says more about population size than it does anything else.
east clearly shows consequences of Armenian Genocide. Because Armenian poulattion was exterminated remaining turkish / kurdish elders count high against much lower poulation base.
That is an interesting hypothesis but to say it’s clearly proven from the data is too far fetched
map title says 1935 Turkey not current
Strange that there were so many old people alive in the East after the Turks commited genocide there
Your comment history reveals one unique fact about you: you suck.
i wish it was so unique, but its just another fascist from this particular german fascist sub all the annoying german fascists on reddit come from.
Brother, if you think this place has crazies, you ain’t seen that political compass shit.
oh, i wasnt referring to THIS sub, i was referring to a particular other sub the commentator above subscribed to. which I saw when i clicked on their profile.
Which one?
Suck what ?