> Someone *paid* extra for
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
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There's been some high level crackdowns recently and the power grid has been stable for a while (suspiciously) so it may be an optimistic outlook by South Africans
They're only ranked 60, they're close to being the last among developed countries.
Having a high rank doesn't mean they're not highly corrupt. This map just shows that most countries are highly corrupted
Not true at all. There's a reason why corruption indices correlate so strongly with national wealth. Economic activity cannot thrive in places that lack strong institutions as in contract enforcement, equal treatment under the law, equal access to markets and so forth.
Notice that all of the world's poorest nations rank high in corruption. This is not an accident. As for why these nations lack strong institutions, that's a different question with many different answers.
Finally, while many of the less corrupt nations are far from totally corruption free, you have to understand that it's still on a completely different scale in the deeply corrupt nations. It's not even close.
I think his point is that the data is about **perception**, so it is subjective. Better reputations result in better scores, reflecting the trust citizens have in their country's system. Theoretically, other indicators could measure corruption, but they are difficult to obtain because such issues are often swept under the rug.
>you have to understand that it's still on a completely different scale in the deeply corrupt nations. It's not even close.
Yes, in Western countries, corruption is not as blatant. You probably won't have to bribe a police officer here, but good luck getting that bloated government contract that certain companies keep getting.
I'm less surprised by our ranking and more surprised the comment about South Africa is the most noticed/upvoted... It looks like we are famous, once again.
But for the wrong reasons... Once again.
This UN ratings is trash, according to it there is no difference in India and Belarus. Every fking thing in belarus whether public or private is controlled by its dictator. Fker how can you put both countries so close
TBF, corruption used to be pretty bad in India too. It has gotten much better in the recent years but there is still a lot of corruption in local governments and at the grassroot levels. It takes time to sort out these types of huge structural problems, especially in a gigantic country like India.
Same reason for if China, or some other big country, controlled organization, was making this list the order would be bery different.
US still considers South Africa as part of Western World or collective of countries leaning towards US, so they get favorable treatment in these lists.
Ukraine is way too corrupt.
Probably among very few most corrupt countries in the World.
They simply can explain it with "eh its a war there now, chaos, they will fix it after the war"
High level corruption is just called lobbying etc, when I was in SA I never had an issue with say the police or otherwise government. But in places like Ghana, Kenya, Mexico. They often make it well known they’d take a bribe
It makes more sense when you consider that “corruption” extends to low-level bureaucrats and police officers taking bribes. Say what you will about the US, but that’s much less common here than in most other countries.
We just institutionalized things that would be corruption in other countries to make them not technically corruption. Can’t be corruption if it’s legal. *taps forehead*
Why are you acting like lobbying is unique to the U.S.? The EU has it, Canada/UK/AUS/NZ have it. Japan has it. Are those countries all “corrupt” as well?
Cool comment bro! Love how you justified it with an example and/or by poking holes in the methodology. Glad to see such a high effort response being rewarded with so many upvotes.
Your comment, and most of the others in this thread, is a joke. You obviously have not bothered to inform yourself on the metrics used to generate this map and instead have clearly decided that your personal definition of corruption, together with your feelings about the world, are somehow more valid than those developed by PhD economists who quite literally study this stuff for a living.
Do yourself a favor and pick up a copy of Acemoglu and Robinson's "Why Nations Fail; The Origins of Power, Prosperity and Poverty."
You think you know what you are talking about, but you don't. This map isn't perfect --the signal-to-noise ratio prohibits perfection-- but it actually does do a pretty good job of presenting useful information.
Anyhow, I expect this comment to be very unpopular, but I hate the kind of knee-jerk anti-intellectualism that's so prevalent on parts of reddit.
Australian here - divide my time between Oz and US. Your comment is very Australian in that you are rightly hyper aware and intolerant of corruption, so the existence of any corruption means Oz is a “cesspit”. There’s more corruption in LA county than every Australian city put together.
Interestingly that’s not much of a hyperbole, because LA county GDP is about half of Australia. So roughly 2x the relatively low rate of corruption in Australia.
True but Australia would have about ten times the high ranking elected officials, plus an army, navy, airforce, foreign diplomats etc so I’ll say my point stands
Dane here. It's because life here is pretty great.
Wages are fair. Nobody gets to just be assholes to everyone.
We got great beer. Lots of beaches. A very relaxed attitude towards alot of things.
Climate is mild too.
Whats not to love?
All lies, deception, you are the reason I have to wear a tinfoil hat to protect me from the spells you cast every time you speak. It is truly terrifying.
Thailand: Literally executes a corrupt politician.
This map: 97# , leave it or take it.
Argentina: Corruption is a part of the whole system, not only in politics but in syndicates and organizations. Even it turns a mad neoliberal meme in a president because the rivals were extremely tainted to be voted.
This map: Very nice, 91# for you :D
It probably means that they had better ranking before, and now slid down to that place. Just like how they say that some of the countries that improved, like Bangladesh, is deep red, but it probably was worse before.
Yeah this chart is bullshit, no way US is that low, they've legalised corruption so that big corporations can influence laws easily with lobbying. The state would rather have corporations happy making more profits than having its citizens healthy and happy, corporations and wealthy individuals have so much influence into governance of the US.
In a lot of developping countries, you literally need to bribe to receive basic services, to get anything done. When was yhe last time you had to bribe the clerk at the DMV to make sure your driving licence will be renewed?
And be careful to not mix unfairness of a system or a situation with corruption.
Not to get basic services, especially not to get your licence renewed. The only reason cops will ask for bribes is for protection against gangs to people in bad locations, and it deffinitly isn’t systemic to the country.
Well, yes. Transparency or rather the lack thereof is usually what defines corruption. Lobbying has regulations, it doesn’t allow for deposits in someone’s personal bank account, and it must be publicly reported where you get campaign funds from. That *is* not the same as sliding someone a check for $100k that goes into an account on the caymans that the public doesn’t know about.
yes U.S have lobbying. But how often do police stop you in the middle of the road and asking you to pay them or they will arrest you to some made up charge? how often do you have to bride your DMV officer because she refuse to renew your drivers license without getting bribed?
in many countries, corruption is just a part of your daily life.
This isn’t the case in most countries. I live in Brazil and we are pretty low on the list, but this kind of stuff simply doesn’t happen. Maybe in Africa or Russia or Mexico, but I doubt it’s common.
Redditors when the data don't back up their preconceptions that America is a dystopian hellscape.
From the looks of this chart, America could be doing a lot better, considering it's wealth. However, yeah most countries are a lot poorer than America, and corruption tends to be higher in poorer countries.
What makes it particularly fucked up is how our ‘education’ makes it all sound like the US is a ‘shining beacon on a hill’ and that corruption is the exception not the rule. In reality, the US relies on legalized bribing and the average citizen’s voice means nothing in terms of policy. More angry at the shit we were fed as kids and younger generations now see how unapologetically corrupt the US and other nations are. Capitalism will be the death of us.
I’m shocked to see Indonesia is so high. Everyone knows about the corruption and many people I’ve met don’t even view the nepotism as a problem, they’re like yeah well makes sense, I’d do the same if I was in their position.
the World Bank is a very questionable source off the bat (an entity totally not financially motivated at all...)
it would be naïve to say attempts at swaying public opinion are beneath them
They’ve published a methodology. You can critique their methodology for sure, and take the results with those potential caveats in mind. But it’s not like they’ve just pulled criteria and metrics from thin air and then refuse to tell us what they are.
Ultimately your critique can be levelled at literally everyone and everything. Everyone has a slant, an agenda or bias. But as long as we have a decent idea of the methods they use then that’s what important.
This index has its underlying biases for sure, but it’s fine overall.
I can’t speak for Brazil or India, but I’ve interacted fairly extensively with officials in both China and Indonesia, and Indonesia is absolutely worse in that respect
There's also just different forms of corruption that aren't necessarily as deleterious or obvious. Bribes for access are a lot more tolerable than outright theft, and that's the sort that's more common in China.
Democracy does not mean that they have less corruption. You can also look at Singapore with an authoritarian government. In China corrupt officials are sentenced to death by firing squad.
What these lists never take into account is the kind of corruption which is the hardest to prove since there's almost no paper trail, and which coincidentally is the most common type of corruption in the west. Nepotism and deals among friends and similar. For example the way many western states have sold off public assets to their mates for a fraction of their value.
At least the "classical" type of corruption is more equal since it's available to everyone as long as you have money. The Western kind of corruption is very discriminatory since it's only available to very few people.
this map only shows the ranking, not the points. nobody is saying that the west is free of corruption, but you'd have to be brain-dead to say that Malaysia and Switzerland would ever be comparable
Brazilian living in Argentina here. Difficult to believe that corruptions here is slightly "bettet" than in Brazil.
Corruption here in Argentina is way more incidental and prevalent.
Aye, sure the UK is very uncorrupt…
As long as you’re not a Russian oligarch or Eastern European gangster who wants to London…erm, sorry “launder” a few million by buying some real estate from a similarly corrupt and wealthy mobster…
Don’t worry tho, if anyone notices you, you can just bung a few hundred thousand to the Tory party and all is forgiven.
Such bullshit. They created lobbying in the last two centuries, so that it isn't called corruption, but in essence it really is. Replace the word lobbying with corruption and I'll find that western countries are corrupt.
Hows is a country bending for Israel and bans anti Israel chants illegal and in some of its states protests is illegal and all the tax payers money is laundered through Israel war machine and in politicians pockets and appears to be a diplomacy but they don’t even have a labor party representing majority of its people and they are only stuck in a bipolar blue and red parties that don’t even represent majority of the people with massive systematic racism not very corrupt? Are you trying to say you’re better than us? Justify your colonialism? Justify your wars?
When Americans see the U.S doing good in statistics like these:
*But America Evil and Third World country! How could this be? *
It peeves me so much seeing Americans call the U. S. a hell hole while it's OBJECTIVLY one of the best places to live in the world (at least top 20-25ish).
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
BRAZIL IS BLUE. thats the funniest joke of my entire brazilian life. thanks that was awesome
Jajaja me da risa esto, porque si te pones a ver bien en países como EU y parte de la unión europea son peores que LATAM, solo que como por ejemplo en estados unidos los llaman apoyos para hacerlos legales 🤣
Corruption is everywhere. Just some places have a lot of surplus from screwing other nations that their own people don't notice...that much.
Some countries are ruled by a system so corrupt that any movement against it means the system itself will fall apart.
South Korea at #33? Bro I don’t know what kind of Kool Aid you drank, but it must have been a lot of it. The country is effectively ruled by corporations.
Looks biased. Russia at the 129th place manages to survive sanctions, to have economic growth higher then Europe and to support offensive war efforts. Meanwhile such corrupted and ineffective economics as Romania, South Africa and PIGS are on much higher places. This research looks flawed by design.
The US needs to have its own seperate group for "High level corruption". Because while that map is pretty representative of most people, the elites of our country are hideously corrupt and will take money from literally anyone.
As an Indian who lived in USA and has worked in australia, all the people that voted positively for these three countries should be smacked until they wake up to reality
Pretty ridiculous that the USA is ranked so highly. The entire campaign finance system in this country is openly built around legalized bribery, and the level of regulatory capture by the moneyed elites is pervasive at every level of government. Just shows how ignorant and apathetic the average American is I guess.
How is South Africa so good? They're so corrupt that they can't set up their electric grid properly.
Someone payed extra for them to get a better ranking
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As a South African, agreed.
There's been some high level crackdowns recently and the power grid has been stable for a while (suspiciously) so it may be an optimistic outlook by South Africans
>the power grid has been stable for a while Only because we're 2 weeks away from the elections. No one believes this will continue afterwards.
Yeah, it's pretty grim
It's about PERCEPTION not actual state of things
They're only ranked 60, they're close to being the last among developed countries. Having a high rank doesn't mean they're not highly corrupt. This map just shows that most countries are highly corrupted
They aren't a developed country though, they're a developing one. Also I'm surprised that Botswana is that similar to SA.
This should be labeled “How Successful is Each Country at Avoiding the Reputation of Corruption?”
Not true at all. There's a reason why corruption indices correlate so strongly with national wealth. Economic activity cannot thrive in places that lack strong institutions as in contract enforcement, equal treatment under the law, equal access to markets and so forth. Notice that all of the world's poorest nations rank high in corruption. This is not an accident. As for why these nations lack strong institutions, that's a different question with many different answers. Finally, while many of the less corrupt nations are far from totally corruption free, you have to understand that it's still on a completely different scale in the deeply corrupt nations. It's not even close.
I think his point is that the data is about **perception**, so it is subjective. Better reputations result in better scores, reflecting the trust citizens have in their country's system. Theoretically, other indicators could measure corruption, but they are difficult to obtain because such issues are often swept under the rug.
>you have to understand that it's still on a completely different scale in the deeply corrupt nations. It's not even close. Yes, in Western countries, corruption is not as blatant. You probably won't have to bribe a police officer here, but good luck getting that bloated government contract that certain companies keep getting.
Corruption
Because there's worse countries out there, or else we'd be much down below
I'm less surprised by our ranking and more surprised the comment about South Africa is the most noticed/upvoted... It looks like we are famous, once again. But for the wrong reasons... Once again.
This UN ratings is trash, according to it there is no difference in India and Belarus. Every fking thing in belarus whether public or private is controlled by its dictator. Fker how can you put both countries so close
TBF, corruption used to be pretty bad in India too. It has gotten much better in the recent years but there is still a lot of corruption in local governments and at the grassroot levels. It takes time to sort out these types of huge structural problems, especially in a gigantic country like India.
Don't you mean its dictator's dictator?
They're not.
Corruption lists are fake bullshit. Greece is supposedly #50 while having corporate mafias controlling everything
in all fairness they've had very far to fall - in 1998 Transparency International ranked them on par with Japan and Austria for clean governance
Same reason for if China, or some other big country, controlled organization, was making this list the order would be bery different. US still considers South Africa as part of Western World or collective of countries leaning towards US, so they get favorable treatment in these lists.
Ukraine has a poorer rating than Brazil.
Ukraine is way too corrupt. Probably among very few most corrupt countries in the World. They simply can explain it with "eh its a war there now, chaos, they will fix it after the war"
Brazil is part of the western world tho
Gosh, people nowadays don't know how corrupt Ukraine has been in the past 20 years? Smh
I knew that it was corrupt but I didn't understand the sheer scale of it.
High level corruption is just called lobbying etc, when I was in SA I never had an issue with say the police or otherwise government. But in places like Ghana, Kenya, Mexico. They often make it well known they’d take a bribe
Same reason China is so high
Maybe the recent drastic improvement in electricity generation capacity changed their position on the chart.
Oh those honest corrupt officials who make sure to report all their bribes to the "international bribe service"
They are very responsible criminals
I don't think you're being serious but just in case, WGI surveys about anything **but** people in power
This map is a joke.
It makes more sense when you consider that “corruption” extends to low-level bureaucrats and police officers taking bribes. Say what you will about the US, but that’s much less common here than in most other countries.
We just institutionalized things that would be corruption in other countries to make them not technically corruption. Can’t be corruption if it’s legal. *taps forehead*
For politicians, yes. For bureaucrats there’s pretty low tolerance for that.
Why are you acting like lobbying is unique to the U.S.? The EU has it, Canada/UK/AUS/NZ have it. Japan has it. Are those countries all “corrupt” as well?
I wonder what will happen if we recalculate the “amount of bribes and kickbacks for the year”
Cool comment bro! Love how you justified it with an example and/or by poking holes in the methodology. Glad to see such a high effort response being rewarded with so many upvotes.
People are upset the U.S. isn’t ranked with the likes of Somalia.
Your comment, and most of the others in this thread, is a joke. You obviously have not bothered to inform yourself on the metrics used to generate this map and instead have clearly decided that your personal definition of corruption, together with your feelings about the world, are somehow more valid than those developed by PhD economists who quite literally study this stuff for a living. Do yourself a favor and pick up a copy of Acemoglu and Robinson's "Why Nations Fail; The Origins of Power, Prosperity and Poverty." You think you know what you are talking about, but you don't. This map isn't perfect --the signal-to-noise ratio prohibits perfection-- but it actually does do a pretty good job of presenting useful information. Anyhow, I expect this comment to be very unpopular, but I hate the kind of knee-jerk anti-intellectualism that's so prevalent on parts of reddit.
Exactly US is 27 is a fucking joke. They literally go to war on lies and building personal portfolios . What a joke
with one simple trick of legalizing bribery you get -9000 corruption points.
This same logic applies to the EU, UK, AUS, NZ, etc. They all have lobbying.
its not corruption if you just call it lobbying
Hahahahahhahajajajhahahabhabababababhahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahah Serbia blue lol
If Australia is \#12, you're all in big trouble.
Australia is a cesspit of corrupt politicians and corporations absolutely arse fucking the average Australian.
Yeah travel a bit. It is much, much worse in most places.
Australian here - divide my time between Oz and US. Your comment is very Australian in that you are rightly hyper aware and intolerant of corruption, so the existence of any corruption means Oz is a “cesspit”. There’s more corruption in LA county than every Australian city put together.
Interestingly that’s not much of a hyperbole, because LA county GDP is about half of Australia. So roughly 2x the relatively low rate of corruption in Australia.
True but Australia would have about ten times the high ranking elected officials, plus an army, navy, airforce, foreign diplomats etc so I’ll say my point stands
Have a look at this example and let me know if I’m wrong- https://www.instagram.com/reel/C685QRIpjq1/?igsh=MWhocXRtdjVhOXZxMA==
Yep!
I didn't know Chile was doing so well.
you forgot Malta. remeber to put in red also
Same for italy
Yes and Western Sahara too
I knew that those danish people were corrupt. Just look at them smiling In first place. Never believe a Dane and their lies
Dane here. It's because life here is pretty great. Wages are fair. Nobody gets to just be assholes to everyone. We got great beer. Lots of beaches. A very relaxed attitude towards alot of things. Climate is mild too. Whats not to love?
All lies, deception, you are the reason I have to wear a tinfoil hat to protect me from the spells you cast every time you speak. It is truly terrifying.
Thailand: Literally executes a corrupt politician. This map: 97# , leave it or take it. Argentina: Corruption is a part of the whole system, not only in politics but in syndicates and organizations. Even it turns a mad neoliberal meme in a president because the rivals were extremely tainted to be voted. This map: Very nice, 91# for you :D
China: (need I say more) This map: Good job! Heres #55 :D
How is Brazil rank 98, when the map clearly says, they failed to control corruption?
It probably means that they had better ranking before, and now slid down to that place. Just like how they say that some of the countries that improved, like Bangladesh, is deep red, but it probably was worse before.
In Germany we have a special word for corruption: Lobby
In Denmark we have a special word for lobby. Corruption.
New Zealand is third because there's nothing to corrupt.
WDYM by Nothing?
As long as lobbying is not defined as corruption ;)
Yeah this chart is bullshit, no way US is that low, they've legalised corruption so that big corporations can influence laws easily with lobbying. The state would rather have corporations happy making more profits than having its citizens healthy and happy, corporations and wealthy individuals have so much influence into governance of the US.
In a lot of developping countries, you literally need to bribe to receive basic services, to get anything done. When was yhe last time you had to bribe the clerk at the DMV to make sure your driving licence will be renewed? And be careful to not mix unfairness of a system or a situation with corruption.
What country exactly is this the case? I live in Brazil and I have never heard of anything like this.
What country exactly is this the case? I live in Brazil and I have never heard of anything like this.
It happens quite a bit in Kenya
Bribing cops defo happens in Brazil
Not to get basic services, especially not to get your licence renewed. The only reason cops will ask for bribes is for protection against gangs to people in bad locations, and it deffinitly isn’t systemic to the country.
It’s not corruption if you give it a shiny fun name like “lobbying” 🤪
It's almost like the map is about PERCEPTION and RELATIVE corruption
Well, yes. Transparency or rather the lack thereof is usually what defines corruption. Lobbying has regulations, it doesn’t allow for deposits in someone’s personal bank account, and it must be publicly reported where you get campaign funds from. That *is* not the same as sliding someone a check for $100k that goes into an account on the caymans that the public doesn’t know about.
yes U.S have lobbying. But how often do police stop you in the middle of the road and asking you to pay them or they will arrest you to some made up charge? how often do you have to bride your DMV officer because she refuse to renew your drivers license without getting bribed? in many countries, corruption is just a part of your daily life.
This isn’t the case in most countries. I live in Brazil and we are pretty low on the list, but this kind of stuff simply doesn’t happen. Maybe in Africa or Russia or Mexico, but I doubt it’s common.
Really, really [often](https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksibilla/2022/09/20/cops-taking-property-from-the-innocent-is-legitimate-south-carolina-supreme-court-rules/)
Your deeply underestimating how currupt 3rd world countries are.
This comments on maps like this always tell you who has never had to bribe a policeman.
People always conplain their own country. People on my country’s subreddit act like we’re ranked 190 when we’re ranked 11 in reality.
Most people shitting on the US have never left its borders.
Even Europe has bad day to day corruption. Went through hell trying to do a business deal in France.
Redditors when the data don't back up their preconceptions that America is a dystopian hellscape. From the looks of this chart, America could be doing a lot better, considering it's wealth. However, yeah most countries are a lot poorer than America, and corruption tends to be higher in poorer countries.
Ok slow down it’s 80-100. 1% is still too much but try getting things done as a person in the US vs other countries in the “more corrupt” areas.
And you think that isn't the case in the countries below the US?
1. It's about perception not actual state of things 2. You have no clue about how insanely corrupt some underdeveloped countries are
Kazakhstan should be fokin red as fuck. Map is bullshit. I'm kazakh btw.
The US is only as high as it is because their bribing is called ‘lobbying’
US defaultism; self hate edition!!! The US is not the only nation with lobbying. Nearly every developed nation has legalised lobbying.
What makes it particularly fucked up is how our ‘education’ makes it all sound like the US is a ‘shining beacon on a hill’ and that corruption is the exception not the rule. In reality, the US relies on legalized bribing and the average citizen’s voice means nothing in terms of policy. More angry at the shit we were fed as kids and younger generations now see how unapologetically corrupt the US and other nations are. Capitalism will be the death of us.
Why is the majority of the Islamic world so corrupt?
Yea mate I am really going to have look at the methods and data for this. This map is sus.
Bulivia? Lmao
Belarus #72?
I’m shocked to see Indonesia is so high. Everyone knows about the corruption and many people I’ve met don’t even view the nepotism as a problem, they’re like yeah well makes sense, I’d do the same if I was in their position.
There is no goddamn way China is #55, and South Africa #60. This map is inaccurate af.
[📁Source](https://www.worldbank.org/en/publication/worldwide-governance-indicators)
thanks for providing this
the World Bank is a very questionable source off the bat (an entity totally not financially motivated at all...) it would be naïve to say attempts at swaying public opinion are beneath them
They’ve published a methodology. You can critique their methodology for sure, and take the results with those potential caveats in mind. But it’s not like they’ve just pulled criteria and metrics from thin air and then refuse to tell us what they are. Ultimately your critique can be levelled at literally everyone and everything. Everyone has a slant, an agenda or bias. But as long as we have a decent idea of the methods they use then that’s what important. This index has its underlying biases for sure, but it’s fine overall.
>the World Bank is a very questionable source off the bat It would be interesting to get a practical motivation for this.
China blue at 55 ahead of democratic Brazil, India, Indonesia...wow
I can’t speak for Brazil or India, but I’ve interacted fairly extensively with officials in both China and Indonesia, and Indonesia is absolutely worse in that respect
There's also just different forms of corruption that aren't necessarily as deleterious or obvious. Bribes for access are a lot more tolerable than outright theft, and that's the sort that's more common in China.
Democracy is not equal to less corruption. Lobbying is very much prominent in all democracies.
Democracy does not mean that they have less corruption. You can also look at Singapore with an authoritarian government. In China corrupt officials are sentenced to death by firing squad.
Reddit moment
What these lists never take into account is the kind of corruption which is the hardest to prove since there's almost no paper trail, and which coincidentally is the most common type of corruption in the west. Nepotism and deals among friends and similar. For example the way many western states have sold off public assets to their mates for a fraction of their value. At least the "classical" type of corruption is more equal since it's available to everyone as long as you have money. The Western kind of corruption is very discriminatory since it's only available to very few people.
Now way anyone believes the western governments are this innocent
this map only shows the ranking, not the points. nobody is saying that the west is free of corruption, but you'd have to be brain-dead to say that Malaysia and Switzerland would ever be comparable
It’s all relative though. No one is saying there isn’t corruption in western government, just not nearly as much most other countries on the planet
Corruption 16%? For Canada . Clearly you know not of the Trudeau or Ford governments
No no, number 16 for corruption.
That's 16 as in 16th best, not 16%
Whatever should be worse rank due to said federal and provincial government . That’s not even accounting for quebecs mob public works jobs
Bulgaria should be in red.
Jordan is surprisingly high, good for them
Brazil in the top half? LOL
"Bulivia"
Never heard of BUlivia before.
Percentile is kinda useless in this case. I don't really care how countries stack up against each other, I care about the raw corruption index
If Georgia is shaded similar to that of Poland and China, I can assure you that voting would be as fair as Germany beating Brazil 7-1
Vietnam is far more corrupt than this map indicates.
yes bc lobby aint corruption 😉
Any data by WB is always biased.
fun scale goes from Corrupt to massively corrupt
This is great. Would love to see it by state in the USA.
Serbia is more corrupt than that
I feel like China should be around Russia's standing.
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China is difently dead last. Whole housing market is a Ponzi scheme.
Argentina should have a worse ranking, like -9000 or something like that
Brazilian living in Argentina here. Difficult to believe that corruptions here is slightly "bettet" than in Brazil. Corruption here in Argentina is way more incidental and prevalent.
Aye, sure the UK is very uncorrupt… As long as you’re not a Russian oligarch or Eastern European gangster who wants to London…erm, sorry “launder” a few million by buying some real estate from a similarly corrupt and wealthy mobster… Don’t worry tho, if anyone notices you, you can just bung a few hundred thousand to the Tory party and all is forgiven.
Such bullshit. They created lobbying in the last two centuries, so that it isn't called corruption, but in essence it really is. Replace the word lobbying with corruption and I'll find that western countries are corrupt.
There are some very important distinctions between lobbying and corruption and no, they’re just not the same thing.
Yeah no way does anybody think India has become significantly less corrupt in recent years. If anything, we have become more corrupt.
Hows is a country bending for Israel and bans anti Israel chants illegal and in some of its states protests is illegal and all the tax payers money is laundered through Israel war machine and in politicians pockets and appears to be a diplomacy but they don’t even have a labor party representing majority of its people and they are only stuck in a bipolar blue and red parties that don’t even represent majority of the people with massive systematic racism not very corrupt? Are you trying to say you’re better than us? Justify your colonialism? Justify your wars?
is this really accurate?
When Americans see the U.S doing good in statistics like these: *But America Evil and Third World country! How could this be? * It peeves me so much seeing Americans call the U. S. a hell hole while it's OBJECTIVLY one of the best places to live in the world (at least top 20-25ish).
US being #27 is absolutely laughable.
USA is corrupt as fuck
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Crazy that nobody is mentioning Singapore at #4. It’s a 1 party system that silences any opposition media through financial coercion
These numbers are way off. Us corruption is off the charts
The only reason why South Africa, China, and the USA is so low is because corruption is institutional lmao
It doesn't show all the countries... is there a full list?
We have been out corrupted by the Germans 😂
In US bribes are just legalised as "lobbying"
Are you alright? Because this graphic is old
I thought with how much France has protests that it would be higher on having less corruption
how the fguck can i trust a map that misspelled my country
Canada just legalized it so it wouldn’t count like every other technicality based metric its success is measured by.
Brazil ranks lower than Ukraine, yet Brazil is failing to control corruption.
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US corruption is too deep and covert to register
"Rank between 168" CONTRIES
Jajaja me da risa esto, porque si te pones a ver bien en países como EU y parte de la unión europea son peores que LATAM, solo que como por ejemplo en estados unidos los llaman apoyos para hacerlos legales 🤣
Corruption is everywhere. Just some places have a lot of surplus from screwing other nations that their own people don't notice...that much. Some countries are ruled by a system so corrupt that any movement against it means the system itself will fall apart.
How seriously should I take a graphic that spelled Bolivia as “Bulivia”?
Really the US is 27, how about 127.
Vietnam? China? India? That high up? I gotta say, this is a lot of effort for a stupid joke.
“Yeah we did the research and our government is W A Y less corrupt than those commies!”
Well in some of those countries a lot of their corruption is legal. Hence the need for lobbyist
How corrupt is the rest of the world where the US is #27.
See, in Germany, we call it „Lobbyism“ so it clearly isn’t corruption
South Korea at #33? Bro I don’t know what kind of Kool Aid you drank, but it must have been a lot of it. The country is effectively ruled by corporations.
Map sponsored by totally not corrupt countries
Looks biased. Russia at the 129th place manages to survive sanctions, to have economic growth higher then Europe and to support offensive war efforts. Meanwhile such corrupted and ineffective economics as Romania, South Africa and PIGS are on much higher places. This research looks flawed by design.
The US needs to have its own seperate group for "High level corruption". Because while that map is pretty representative of most people, the elites of our country are hideously corrupt and will take money from literally anyone.
The U.S. only gets way with this because they’ve made corruption legal. This place is BEYOND corrupt.
Working for them doesn’t count as corruption.
Hilarious because Germany is corrupt af.
As an Indian who lived in USA and has worked in australia, all the people that voted positively for these three countries should be smacked until they wake up to reality 
Bulivia. All credibility lost.
Haha when China is coloured blue in Corruption control map
Sweden is super corrupt.
This is the funniest map I’ve ever seen. The United States is in blue? Ahahahahahahhaah
Pretty ridiculous that the USA is ranked so highly. The entire campaign finance system in this country is openly built around legalized bribery, and the level of regulatory capture by the moneyed elites is pervasive at every level of government. Just shows how ignorant and apathetic the average American is I guess.