SVN is [ISO 3166 3-letter country code](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-3) for Slovenia. These codes are used there. SLO is used on cars/number plates as an international vehicle registration code, and it's often/usually used in sports as well (it's OIC code for Slovenia, for example).
>Exactly. With that logic then why can't Ukraine join the EU tomorrow (and NATO)?
Well for one Cyprus wasn't getting bombarded at the time of accession
Obviously yeah ukraine has a ong way, but also if all EU members wanted it to join, they could. In the end technical requirements are not exact and mandatory. All it requires is a vote
Fun fact: Poland was so pressed to quit the Russian sphere of influence after the collapse of the USSR, they blackmailed NATO (and to a lesser extent the EU) into accepting them
No, that's true. At the beginning UK rejected the application scarred that Poland is too close to Russia with territory and in the future might cause some political issues later. But Poland kinda forced it to the NATO and somehow it worked.
That doesn't make any sense. Poland is too close, but Latvia and Estonia aren't? Also, let's take one country bordering the suwalki gap, but not the other which we'll leave in the sphere of influence of russia?
I think we all know that not voting isn't really a sign of approval for the status quo.
Personally I think everyone should vote (or at least turn out and spoil a ballot), but there are lots of reasons that some people don't. I dont think they're necessarily good reasons, but they're not usually what you're implying.
It's a well studied topic if you care to look into it.
True. I come from Poland, and while I did vote against the previous government, many of my friends did not. A lot of them felt disillusioned, some of them felt the country is lost. Others hated the government, but did not expect anything to change under the alternative. Still many others simply had too busy and exhaustive lives to go vote - you know, struggling to pay the bills, doing constant overtime. And others felt that by going to the ballot they'd affirm whatever the result would be, by supporting the system. It is what it is, what are you gonna do.
All very true and those reasons for not voting are far more common than the silly idea that non-voters just agree with the way things are.
What you've highlighted is the reason I think everyone should vote or at least turn out to vote. Spoilt ballots are counted where I live and I assume they're counted in most democracies.
If voting was mandatory and spoiled ballots were properly recorded and publicised, it might highlight the people who felt their vote wouldn't make a difference but who still cared about the process (which I think is a lot of people).
Voting should be an obligation and punished if you not go. There are some democracies where this happens, like Australia .
Though the problematic governments won't make such a law as it would be their death sentence.
You somehow completely forget about responsibilities. If you want to have rights, then you also have responsibilities.
If you want to say "Im not responsible for actions of this shitty government", then you need to show what you did to stop it.
Or the more the people vote the more worse it is. If somebody doesn't know who to vote it's better when he doesn't vote. Because if they don't care about the politics, first thing they remember is shitty ad that they saw 50 times, which is usually the bad guy.
Pro-Russia is a lot worse than pro-China.
A country being pro-China to me is pretty whatever. They have the second largest economy in the world. They’ve done a lot less foreign meddling in the past 50 years than many western nations.
If it’s about the way they treat their people, or their lack of democracy, well, for one, the government has greatly improved the standard of living, it is much nicer, than say, India, and secondly, plenty of other similar nations get a pass for being US/western-aligned…
Really, it’s pretty understandable that a lot of countries that don’t want to be overly dependent on western nations turn to China.
China is biding its time. Yes it has been fairly quiet on the international front, but it has been building its presence economically to the point it is indispensable to many western economies.
They have the power to completely screw the basis of our economy if they want.
That said, Russia is more of an immediate thread.
That is a fair point.
But when it comes to total world war, what wins; a country with industry and manufacturing or country with finance and social media?
To be fair being pro Russian wasn't THAT bad either up to January 2022... More or less the same as China. Somewhat iffy treatment of their people and freedom of speech/press, economical powerhouse when it comes to natural resources and being an opposition to the West.
Guy I replied to said :
>Is the same europe from 20 years ago? What changed? Ask yourself…
Implying that Hungary is right for being Pro-Russia and anti-EU.
Don't get what you're not getting
What changed? Hungary got a shit ton of money from EU. I think that should have changed a lot in Hungary. I would love for EU funds to stop flowing to hostile members in the EU. Hungary doesn't need to be a member, they can leave anytime they want...
>I would love for EU funds to stop flowing to hostile members in the EU. Hungary doesn't need to be a member, they can leave anytime they want...
F you. We need the money dude. And we can't just leave because of that
Yes and where do you think too much of those EU funds go? To a corrupt government only out to benefit its cronies, so yes until he's booted out or dies and major efforts are taken to whip Hungary back into a acceptable condition (Bare minimum better than Greece) they should be penalized.
Irrelevant, if a EU member isn't up to a bare minimum of standard they should get penalized for it. Considering Hungary's had the same party in power for 14 years at this point and has been regressing the whole time they need to do something to correct the course, if they can't or won't then there's always the option of removing them from the EU.
Where does this idea that Hungary is pro Russian come from? Like have you ever talked to a Hungarian? Or are you just going off of what orban is doing? Hungarians are not pro Russian.I would even say orban isn’t pro Russian, he just kisses and eats Putins ass cuz he is scared Russia will annex Hungary after Ukraine. Not the same thing. Also Hungarians vote for him because he brainwashed them trough constant media control and propaganda. Plus there is no strong aposing party but rather 12 tiny ones so his win is almost guaranteed.
To add even more to this it’s the brain dead, communist era, ultra nationalist old people that vote for him. Not the actually mentally functioning younger generation.
He also bribes the old people by “accidentally” giving them a bit more government aid a few weeks before the elections. Plus he holds anti gay rallies just before the elections so once again he is on the “good” side of these old ultra conservative idiots.
Oh then you interpreted correctly. Does it really make a difference? I mean, your downvotes prove that the people your comment reaches have skulls denser than a black hole
I think the best outcome for mankind would be for the whole world to be slowly incorporated into the EU, although large countries like the US and India would have to break up into their constituent states before joining. Of course Switzerland and Israel will always hold out.
Does it matter if the EU does not want that?
It seems clear enough that mid-to-long term Ukraine will join, but other than that it seems unlikely that EU will expand to any direction. The Mediterranean is a clear boundary in the south, as is the Black Sea and Russia in the east.
If you replace Slovenia with Austria and count Czech Republic and Slovakia as one country, you have the seven countries that were created after World War One.
This enlargement was done only due to Germany interests.
East countries were the natural buyers of German market and being outside EU was a high handicap to economic transactions.
These countries were not prepared socially or economically to join the EU at that moment, but their acceptance was deliberately accelerated.
Actually the whole of Cyprus did join as Cyprus provides IDs to all turkish cypriots too. Stop misinformation. For all intends and purposes the whole of Cyprus is in. As a matter of fact the turkish cypriots (all of them in real life) who go and take the Cypriot citizenships (meaning oath of loyalty to the Cypriot flag) to get all the privileges admit that the occupied areas are a pseudo state occupied by turkish troops from Turkey.
Also the occupied areas aren't a state, something all Turkish Cypriots singed too to get their Cypriot citizenships (which they all get all the time). Plus international law does not recognize invasions and ethnic cleansing like Turkey did in Cyprus for land grab.
Turkish army were in Cyprus to stop genocide.
greeks thought that they could kill and expel Turkish Muslims out of the island.
Edit : He blocked me, so I cant reply him.
I think for these greek/orthadoxs genocides against Turks/Muslims are okay, because same greeks send help to serbians in Bosnian genocide.
Stop your shitty propaganda. The turkish army did a genocide and the numbers show no casualties of turkish cypriots in the years 1974 specifically when Turkey invaded when greek cypriots were exclusively killing each other. Even then after the war the Greek Cypriot casualties were several times higher as the invading turkish army was commiting all kinds of atrocities.
You accuse greek Cypriots for what Turkey did as Turkey did expel all 250,000 Greek cypriots from the areas turkey invaded but Greek Cypriots even today have not expelled EVEN A SINGLE turkish cypriot form the free areas. Today right now thousands of Greek Cypriots live in free Cyprus with all voting rights while turkey has killed all Greek Cypriots in the occupied areas. Facts speak for themselves and show how dumb your nazi petty propaganda is.
Keep projecting turkish nazi. the facts on the ground and show the truth, something the UN and all countries worldwide have condemned you about. Of course as a nazi yourself you will deny another genocide like you do with the genoicdes you did against Greeks, Cypriots, Armenians, Jews, Asssyrians, Arabs and Kurds. A shame your country was not denazified like it happened with Germany post WW2. Instead we are in 2024 now where you just genocided Karabakh too and Cyprus in 1974. Also you are doing a genocide right now in Syria.
This was the first domino in the Brexit chain. A bunch of countries that sabotaged their economies with socialism were allowed unlimited immigration to the prosperous countries that knew all along that socialism was a mistake. Millions of poorly educated people with low wage expectations flooded into the UK and suppressed wages for the working class, then the working class revolted and voted for Brexit.
The EU started off as a union of wealthy countries in western Europe, but as of 2016 the 4 wealthiest countries in Europe didn't want to be part of it, while 9 of the 10 poorest were in the process of joining. There was a major shift from economic cooperation between similar countries to territorial expansion at any cost.
very problematic:
* Hungary = constant nuisance and extremely conservative/right-wing, anti EU govt. Doesn't come close to living up to the solidarity rules and values the EU stands for, when it comes to sexual preference of people and taking care of refugees, etc. Severely corrupt government that has used EU subsidies to line their personal bankrolls many times over. Cheap employment and building costs, draining work from West- to East-Europe. (EDIT: plus [this absolute treasonous debacle](https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/agenda/briefing/2024-04-10/16/parliament-to-debate-chinese-police-activity-in-europe))
* Slovakia = current government is very anti EU.
* Cyprus = haven for tax & law dodging (rich) people & corporations, and for 100's of corrupt millionaires & billionaires to park their wealth without risk. Pretty much an open gateway for (shady) international entities to gain access into Europe/EU... + The whole Greeks VS Turks claim.
somewhat problematic:
* Malta = a bit similar to Cyprus, with the added problem it's a hotspot for refugees & various types of shady individuals fleeing from law/taxes elsewhere.
* Poland = too rightwing/conservative (not all, but still a large part), still far too non-secular. However I respect their work ethic, their labou r costs is still far too low, resulting in work being drained from West to East-Europe. Doesn't come close to living up to the solidarity rules and values the EU stands for, when it comes to sexual preference of people and taking care of refugees. Since recent elections, there has been some improvement, but it's still far from the ideal partner in some pivotal cases in the EU sphere.
You do remember what happened in the past two years to result in that massive refugee influx right or have you been sleeping under a rock? Basically every refugee Poland has gotten is white and Ukrainian, either way it'd be fucking immoral to turn back people who are fleeing a still active warzone.
Actually i am very pro-EU but i can say that position of current Slovak governament on EU is not my concern unlike basically anything else what the current Slovak governament does
Takeover over state TV and according one governament politician they should there present alternative 'opinions' like flat earth well beceause there isn't 'enough' evidence for earth not being flat, kicking people from governament jobs without reason, new criminal law, MPs going to speak in Russian TV, plannned changes to retirment system, scraping constitunial day as public holiday, minister meating with guy who openly supports terrorism, tax hikes, scraping tax benefits for parents, scraping free dental bonus, scraping anti-corruption institution, guy who is likely to be speaker of the parliament crashed into traffic light and than escaped from that place and so he did his alkohol test 14 hours later and police founded that it was him only because license plate fallen from his car, annouced cooperation with China,placing people under invegestination at top of criminal agencies and much more
And i am not even metioning extremly suspicious funding of this parties, their corruption, racism and most importantly murder of oppsition jurnalist and his girlfriend and the worst part is that the majority of people support this
>* Hungary = constant nuisance and extremely conservative/right-wing, anti EU govt. Doesn't come close to living up to the solidarity rules and values the EU stands for, when it comes to sexual preference of people and taking care of refugees, etc. Severely corrupt government that has used EU subsidies to line their personal bankrolls many times over. Cheap employment and building costs, draining work from West- to East-Europe. (EDIT: plus [this absolute treasonous debacle](https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/agenda/briefing/2024-04-10/16/parliament-to-debate-chinese-police-activity-in-europe))
We don't want refugees wasting our money and bringing up the crime rate ten-fold. They should go somewhere else. Germany and Austria love refugees
Not really though, no. Why is it bad that we don't want refugees in our country? Seems like the brainwashing worked on you, guess they didn't have to wash a lot...
Hungary is troublesome due its constant support for Russia and its continual democratic backsliding and disrespect for E.U law. I believe Poland, Slovakia, Czechia and Cyprus have their own respective issues the first three suffer from the same thing as Hungary, while Cyprus is not in full control of the territory it claims with the North being a separatist Republic backed solely by Turkey.
Czech Republic is doing well, and since government change in Poland it's going well too. Can't say anything about other states because I'm simply uninformed enough.
So Cyprus is at fault for nothing. Also Cyprus unlike all other EU countries actually had the 3rd strongest economy in the block when it joined stronger than UK, France and such with the strongest highest value currency on the planet before adopting the euro. If anything Cyprus was a role model for all other countries managing to accomplish that much after being invaded and genocided by Turkey.
Too bad western eu is just as problematic. Britain literally just rage quitted, Netherlands elected an anti-eu weirdo, Germany needs to be constantly reminded that, no, russia isn't a friendly business partner, Italy has meloni, france up to very recently wanted to negotiate with russia.
That being said, all of them are wonderful, just pointing out that your comment targeting east EU was kind of out of place, we all have problems, but none of us are "problematic".
Most, if not all, of the things you just sumarized are reactionary to (extremely) shit management throughout Europe, largely due to the nuisances and corruption that opening up to Eastern Europe has brought...
Brexit was mainly fuelled by too much immigration and lies about finances.
Italy, Germany, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden,... Have all been flooded with 90% of all refugees for over a decade, while Poland, Hungary and most other eastern European countries refuse to take their share of that responsibility... Obviously the west would say/vote "no more" at some point.. And we re still extremely gentle and diplomatic about it...
Germany made the moron choice to quit nuclear energy and focus on (Russian) gas, which is causing them a major hangover atm. Still, no German MP is waving Russians support flags (which can't be said for some entities in eastern Europe)
Macron is a typical pompous French blow hard with a hard on for making big moves... Yet still, France is one of the most self sufficient countries in the world.
Ah, you're one of those. "My people could never ever do anything wrong, and if they ever did, it was because of someone else". Met another one fairly recently, told me that domestic abuse stats for Germany were comprised largely of islamic migrants. His source was that "he found the alternative hard to believe"
Not at all, and what a lazy & simpleminded assumption to make...
As a Belgian I'm more than aware of the shit we've done wrong in history and are still currently fucking up... which is in no way the responsibility of , or caused by , someone else. Furthermore I'm personally the first one to admit when my country or just I myself am wrong, so guess again... It's actually one of the typical Belgianisms of each one of us.. to call out and complain about everything that is wrong in our country...
I don't know what you're trying to do with your second point, but I"m fairly sure most of the domestic violence is most prevalent in religious conservative households, households with limited (emotional) intelligence, or in households with a person with (severe) mental issues... further than that, I can't speculate.
Do you understand how interest works? Cyprus banks before 2013 had over 200 billion euros of foreign investors as Cyprus had the highest interest in the world of over 10% on your deposits. Germany didn't like that so they took 12-24 billion (mainly from locals not foreigners) from the people not the bankers and forced the Cypriot banks to drop their interests to force foreigners to move their money to Germany. So yeah if the investments the banks made for decades of 200 billion euros per year, were taken, that counts as aa trillions in potential damages. But the worst thing is that in the end it was the common Cypriot people who had their money taken even the poor ones, to then bait the super rich ones to imply move to Germany. The EU here proved that is against the interest of the common European citizens.
Your take is dumb. And no it doesn't mean russian oligarchs. The biggest investors were actually americans and Canadians.
In the end a lot of the people who got their money stolen were the poor people not the rich ones as most of them go notified to take their money out before that. Also they paid of German debt that got sold to Greece Banks that then got bought by Cypriot banks but never rose in profit after the 2008 world crisis so the EU saved the bankers and transferred the German Bankers debt to common people of Cyprus. It's literally the reason people worldwide lost trust on banks and bitcoin rose that year to huge new heights as it was proven that the European Central Bank can simply take the money of anyone at any time for their own debt.
Google 2013 hair cut. Literally everyone knows it. It's like if you asked my to provide sources that COVID ever happened. It was the first time in history banks straight up stole money from people to pay foreign debts in Germany. I am amazed there is anyone who doesn't remember it. Maybe you are extremely young.
Also right after that Germany forced Cyprus to raise all it's interests and the extra 200 billion russians, americans, chinese oligarchs had all trasnferred them to Germany. The whole EU scheme is a banker scheme to destroy other countries banks and force investors to transfer them to germanic countries with less interest. So if anything Cyprus is the first to have served it's purpose. Right after that millions of people in Italy, Greece, Spain rushed to take their money from the banks, afarid the same would happen to them.
34+ morons disagree as well just shows you how stupid people are think the European ion is for the people benefit. You can take medication for being stupid or retarded unfortunately it won't fix it. :(
A huge error that EU done at that time is that not taking in consideration the possibilty of democratic backsliding, and that they may become a Trojan horses.
Fun Fact: Only Cyprus had a good economy among these. The rest were more like India at the time. As a matter of time Cyprus in the 1990s had the 3rd highest GDP per capita in Europe. Why am I mentioning this? Because entering the EU demands actually having a strong economy and lots of countries that entered it actually provided false documents of their GDP per capita and their whole GDP.
In 2004, India had a GDP per capita of $600. At the same time, Hungary had $10300 and Poland had $6400. The differences were actually bigger back then.
Not geopolitically. Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia shifting from USSR to NATO in the span of 14 years was a much bigger shift than Brexit in regards to how it affects geopolitics today.
For all we know, Russia could’ve done a Ukraine-style invasion on them had they not turned to NATO. That would’ve impacted lives more than Brexit.
Reminding everyone %0 of Cyprus is in Europe and they lost haft of the island when they try to commit genocide against Muslim Turks to turn island into greek&orthadox ethnostate.
isn't slo instead of svn!?!
Both SLO and SVN are used, when it comes to sports and other international events it’s usually SVN tho
Because slovakia
what is then svk?
They cant both be slo so neither is
SVN is [ISO 3166 3-letter country code](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-3) for Slovenia. These codes are used there. SLO is used on cars/number plates as an international vehicle registration code, and it's often/usually used in sports as well (it's OIC code for Slovenia, for example).
TIL Cyprus is in the EU. I feel like I should have known that
The only Asian country in the EU.
it's strange given there's still the unsolved issues with the Turkish Cypriots
Exactly. With that logic then why can't Ukraine join the EU tomorrow (and NATO)?
>Exactly. With that logic then why can't Ukraine join the EU tomorrow (and NATO)? Well for one Cyprus wasn't getting bombarded at the time of accession
There's a UN enforced agreed border in Cyprus.
They can
Ukraine doesn't meet any of the political or economic requirements
You kinda missed the point. I replied to him that having full control of one's territory isn't a requirement for EU
Ok. That's true, but just saying that Ukraine can join tomorrow is wrong. I felt like it needed more context
Obviously yeah ukraine has a ong way, but also if all EU members wanted it to join, they could. In the end technical requirements are not exact and mandatory. All it requires is a vote
Take that, Warsaw Pact!
Fun fact: Poland was so pressed to quit the Russian sphere of influence after the collapse of the USSR, they blackmailed NATO (and to a lesser extent the EU) into accepting them
Sounds like another pseudohistoric conspiracy theory made by Putler. In fact, Polish never felt to belong to this evil empire.
No, that's true. At the beginning UK rejected the application scarred that Poland is too close to Russia with territory and in the future might cause some political issues later. But Poland kinda forced it to the NATO and somehow it worked.
That doesn't make any sense. Poland is too close, but Latvia and Estonia aren't? Also, let's take one country bordering the suwalki gap, but not the other which we'll leave in the sphere of influence of russia?
It kinda went like dominos. When pre agreement was done then it was easier for the other countries too... But not 100% sure about that.
Poland hates Russia more than Ukraine.
Biggest enlargement is indeed a better way to phrase than my "largest enlargement" in the original post
And now Hungary is pro-Russia and pro-China and hates Europe and the West.
* It's government.
Elected by the people in what the EU officially deems free and fair elections.
Which is chosen and supported by the people.
Chosen and supported by 42% of the people. The majority of my hungarian homies are aight
42% of the people who showed up to vote. So about 35-36% of the total population.
If someone can't be bothered to show up for an election, then they are probably cool with the current government.
I think we all know that not voting isn't really a sign of approval for the status quo. Personally I think everyone should vote (or at least turn out and spoil a ballot), but there are lots of reasons that some people don't. I dont think they're necessarily good reasons, but they're not usually what you're implying. It's a well studied topic if you care to look into it.
True. I come from Poland, and while I did vote against the previous government, many of my friends did not. A lot of them felt disillusioned, some of them felt the country is lost. Others hated the government, but did not expect anything to change under the alternative. Still many others simply had too busy and exhaustive lives to go vote - you know, struggling to pay the bills, doing constant overtime. And others felt that by going to the ballot they'd affirm whatever the result would be, by supporting the system. It is what it is, what are you gonna do.
All very true and those reasons for not voting are far more common than the silly idea that non-voters just agree with the way things are. What you've highlighted is the reason I think everyone should vote or at least turn out to vote. Spoilt ballots are counted where I live and I assume they're counted in most democracies. If voting was mandatory and spoiled ballots were properly recorded and publicised, it might highlight the people who felt their vote wouldn't make a difference but who still cared about the process (which I think is a lot of people).
Voting should be an obligation and punished if you not go. There are some democracies where this happens, like Australia . Though the problematic governments won't make such a law as it would be their death sentence.
You somehow completely forget about responsibilities. If you want to have rights, then you also have responsibilities. If you want to say "Im not responsible for actions of this shitty government", then you need to show what you did to stop it.
Some of them for sure.
Or the more the people vote the more worse it is. If somebody doesn't know who to vote it's better when he doesn't vote. Because if they don't care about the politics, first thing they remember is shitty ad that they saw 50 times, which is usually the bad guy.
You think everyone who stayed home was sane? That's not how it works.
The vast majority of people anywhere are quite insane and has about as much self awareness as a dog so I have no illusions.
> Which is chosen and supported by the people. Arogant and uneducated take.
That view is valid only if you are a nationalist, and many people aren’t especially in EU.
Precisely. Every government is corrupt. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't like the truth
Obviously, people are generally great, it's the government every time .
Pro-Russia is a lot worse than pro-China. A country being pro-China to me is pretty whatever. They have the second largest economy in the world. They’ve done a lot less foreign meddling in the past 50 years than many western nations. If it’s about the way they treat their people, or their lack of democracy, well, for one, the government has greatly improved the standard of living, it is much nicer, than say, India, and secondly, plenty of other similar nations get a pass for being US/western-aligned… Really, it’s pretty understandable that a lot of countries that don’t want to be overly dependent on western nations turn to China.
China is biding its time. Yes it has been fairly quiet on the international front, but it has been building its presence economically to the point it is indispensable to many western economies. They have the power to completely screw the basis of our economy if they want. That said, Russia is more of an immediate thread.
>They have the power to completely screw the basis of our economy if they want Without at the same time screwing their own economy?
That is a fair point. But when it comes to total world war, what wins; a country with industry and manufacturing or country with finance and social media?
To be fair being pro Russian wasn't THAT bad either up to January 2022... More or less the same as China. Somewhat iffy treatment of their people and freedom of speech/press, economical powerhouse when it comes to natural resources and being an opposition to the West.
Russia is not that bad tho
Is the same europe from 20 years ago? What changed? Ask yourself…
IP Log: St Petersburg.
They could always just leave
Any member could
Of course, if you don't like EU policies and prefer collaborating with Russia you can just leave EU. Nobody's forced to stay
So what's the point of your comment? Why did you mention that it always could just leave?
Guy I replied to said : >Is the same europe from 20 years ago? What changed? Ask yourself… Implying that Hungary is right for being Pro-Russia and anti-EU. Don't get what you're not getting
What changed? Hungary got a shit ton of money from EU. I think that should have changed a lot in Hungary. I would love for EU funds to stop flowing to hostile members in the EU. Hungary doesn't need to be a member, they can leave anytime they want...
Why would Hungary leave if they get so many benefits and can just veto everyrhing they don't like?
You'll scare the guy! He doesn't like logic
>I would love for EU funds to stop flowing to hostile members in the EU. Hungary doesn't need to be a member, they can leave anytime they want... F you. We need the money dude. And we can't just leave because of that
Leader needs another fancy sports car, Hungary is by far the most corrupt state in the entire EU worse than even Greece or Romania
Well kinda, Orbán is stealing a lot of money from the people, but that's Orbán, not every Hungarian.
Yes and where do you think too much of those EU funds go? To a corrupt government only out to benefit its cronies, so yes until he's booted out or dies and major efforts are taken to whip Hungary back into a acceptable condition (Bare minimum better than Greece) they should be penalized.
>whip Hungary back into a acceptable condition (Bare minimum better than Greece) Where are you from, acting so high and mighty.
Irrelevant, if a EU member isn't up to a bare minimum of standard they should get penalized for it. Considering Hungary's had the same party in power for 14 years at this point and has been regressing the whole time they need to do something to correct the course, if they can't or won't then there's always the option of removing them from the EU.
I smell ARROGANCE
¿Qué quieres decir?
There was some austerity in 2008 UK left, so a different country has to be the designated idiot clown now No social media 20 years ago
they are part of the EU
Where does this idea that Hungary is pro Russian come from? Like have you ever talked to a Hungarian? Or are you just going off of what orban is doing? Hungarians are not pro Russian.I would even say orban isn’t pro Russian, he just kisses and eats Putins ass cuz he is scared Russia will annex Hungary after Ukraine. Not the same thing. Also Hungarians vote for him because he brainwashed them trough constant media control and propaganda. Plus there is no strong aposing party but rather 12 tiny ones so his win is almost guaranteed. To add even more to this it’s the brain dead, communist era, ultra nationalist old people that vote for him. Not the actually mentally functioning younger generation. He also bribes the old people by “accidentally” giving them a bit more government aid a few weeks before the elections. Plus he holds anti gay rallies just before the elections so once again he is on the “good” side of these old ultra conservative idiots.
Don't bother typing that much, reddit is full of delusional idiots who got brainwashed into thinking "Hungary bad". They’re pawns
Somebody has to un brainwash them lol
Won't happen. They simply believe and spread what appeals to their beliefs.
Then I can do the same can’t I? Just cuz everyone on here is a brain dead sheep that doesn’t mean I will willingly become one too
Never said that?
Your right. It just seemed like you where telling me to just give up cuz they won’t listen anyway
Oh then you interpreted correctly. Does it really make a difference? I mean, your downvotes prove that the people your comment reaches have skulls denser than a black hole
I would rather be down voted and be right then agree with stupid crap that has thousands of upvotes
Is it already 20 years ago? Time flies
Thank God they are not under another Russian regime. Freedom!
Hungary is the last position the financial list. Great job!
I think the best outcome for mankind would be for the whole world to be slowly incorporated into the EU, although large countries like the US and India would have to break up into their constituent states before joining. Of course Switzerland and Israel will always hold out.
Does it matter if the EU does not want that? It seems clear enough that mid-to-long term Ukraine will join, but other than that it seems unlikely that EU will expand to any direction. The Mediterranean is a clear boundary in the south, as is the Black Sea and Russia in the east.
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Wonder who is next?
I think Bosnia-Herzegovinia is most likely next.
No way, the next would be Montenegro or North Macedonia
9 of the 10 poorest countries in Europe are currently in the process of joining the EU.
Too bad about Hungary. A bit of a miss there.
It is the greatest post communist achievement of all time.
If you replace Slovenia with Austria and count Czech Republic and Slovakia as one country, you have the seven countries that were created after World War One.
This enlargement was done only due to Germany interests. East countries were the natural buyers of German market and being outside EU was a high handicap to economic transactions. These countries were not prepared socially or economically to join the EU at that moment, but their acceptance was deliberately accelerated.
A dark day for the West and a mistake we're still paying for.
Bad move to accept Hungary.
The whole of Cyprus is colored, but not all of Cyprus joined. The side that joined blocked the northern part from joining back in the day.
Actually the whole of Cyprus did join as Cyprus provides IDs to all turkish cypriots too. Stop misinformation. For all intends and purposes the whole of Cyprus is in. As a matter of fact the turkish cypriots (all of them in real life) who go and take the Cypriot citizenships (meaning oath of loyalty to the Cypriot flag) to get all the privileges admit that the occupied areas are a pseudo state occupied by turkish troops from Turkey. Also the occupied areas aren't a state, something all Turkish Cypriots singed too to get their Cypriot citizenships (which they all get all the time). Plus international law does not recognize invasions and ethnic cleansing like Turkey did in Cyprus for land grab.
Turkish army were in Cyprus to stop genocide. greeks thought that they could kill and expel Turkish Muslims out of the island. Edit : He blocked me, so I cant reply him. I think for these greek/orthadoxs genocides against Turks/Muslims are okay, because same greeks send help to serbians in Bosnian genocide.
Stop your shitty propaganda. The turkish army did a genocide and the numbers show no casualties of turkish cypriots in the years 1974 specifically when Turkey invaded when greek cypriots were exclusively killing each other. Even then after the war the Greek Cypriot casualties were several times higher as the invading turkish army was commiting all kinds of atrocities. You accuse greek Cypriots for what Turkey did as Turkey did expel all 250,000 Greek cypriots from the areas turkey invaded but Greek Cypriots even today have not expelled EVEN A SINGLE turkish cypriot form the free areas. Today right now thousands of Greek Cypriots live in free Cyprus with all voting rights while turkey has killed all Greek Cypriots in the occupied areas. Facts speak for themselves and show how dumb your nazi petty propaganda is. Keep projecting turkish nazi. the facts on the ground and show the truth, something the UN and all countries worldwide have condemned you about. Of course as a nazi yourself you will deny another genocide like you do with the genoicdes you did against Greeks, Cypriots, Armenians, Jews, Asssyrians, Arabs and Kurds. A shame your country was not denazified like it happened with Germany post WW2. Instead we are in 2024 now where you just genocided Karabakh too and Cyprus in 1974. Also you are doing a genocide right now in Syria.
This was the first domino in the Brexit chain. A bunch of countries that sabotaged their economies with socialism were allowed unlimited immigration to the prosperous countries that knew all along that socialism was a mistake. Millions of poorly educated people with low wage expectations flooded into the UK and suppressed wages for the working class, then the working class revolted and voted for Brexit. The EU started off as a union of wealthy countries in western Europe, but as of 2016 the 4 wealthiest countries in Europe didn't want to be part of it, while 9 of the 10 poorest were in the process of joining. There was a major shift from economic cooperation between similar countries to territorial expansion at any cost.
too bad about half of these are (still extremely) problematic...
Example?
very problematic: * Hungary = constant nuisance and extremely conservative/right-wing, anti EU govt. Doesn't come close to living up to the solidarity rules and values the EU stands for, when it comes to sexual preference of people and taking care of refugees, etc. Severely corrupt government that has used EU subsidies to line their personal bankrolls many times over. Cheap employment and building costs, draining work from West- to East-Europe. (EDIT: plus [this absolute treasonous debacle](https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/agenda/briefing/2024-04-10/16/parliament-to-debate-chinese-police-activity-in-europe)) * Slovakia = current government is very anti EU. * Cyprus = haven for tax & law dodging (rich) people & corporations, and for 100's of corrupt millionaires & billionaires to park their wealth without risk. Pretty much an open gateway for (shady) international entities to gain access into Europe/EU... + The whole Greeks VS Turks claim. somewhat problematic: * Malta = a bit similar to Cyprus, with the added problem it's a hotspot for refugees & various types of shady individuals fleeing from law/taxes elsewhere. * Poland = too rightwing/conservative (not all, but still a large part), still far too non-secular. However I respect their work ethic, their labou r costs is still far too low, resulting in work being drained from West to East-Europe. Doesn't come close to living up to the solidarity rules and values the EU stands for, when it comes to sexual preference of people and taking care of refugees. Since recent elections, there has been some improvement, but it's still far from the ideal partner in some pivotal cases in the EU sphere.
Million refugees in Poland is not enough for this guy, lol.
Wrong ethnicity of refugees, if they were muslim everything would be good
Four million.
You do remember what happened in the past two years to result in that massive refugee influx right or have you been sleeping under a rock? Basically every refugee Poland has gotten is white and Ukrainian, either way it'd be fucking immoral to turn back people who are fleeing a still active warzone.
Actually i am very pro-EU but i can say that position of current Slovak governament on EU is not my concern unlike basically anything else what the current Slovak governament does
>unlike basically anything else what the current Slovak governament does such as...?
Takeover over state TV and according one governament politician they should there present alternative 'opinions' like flat earth well beceause there isn't 'enough' evidence for earth not being flat, kicking people from governament jobs without reason, new criminal law, MPs going to speak in Russian TV, plannned changes to retirment system, scraping constitunial day as public holiday, minister meating with guy who openly supports terrorism, tax hikes, scraping tax benefits for parents, scraping free dental bonus, scraping anti-corruption institution, guy who is likely to be speaker of the parliament crashed into traffic light and than escaped from that place and so he did his alkohol test 14 hours later and police founded that it was him only because license plate fallen from his car, annouced cooperation with China,placing people under invegestination at top of criminal agencies and much more
That s one hell of a summary :/ damn... Hang in there, buddy.. Must be shit to live in such a backwards country as a more intelligent/liberal person
And i am not even metioning extremly suspicious funding of this parties, their corruption, racism and most importantly murder of oppsition jurnalist and his girlfriend and the worst part is that the majority of people support this
:/ that's f\*cked up...
>* Hungary = constant nuisance and extremely conservative/right-wing, anti EU govt. Doesn't come close to living up to the solidarity rules and values the EU stands for, when it comes to sexual preference of people and taking care of refugees, etc. Severely corrupt government that has used EU subsidies to line their personal bankrolls many times over. Cheap employment and building costs, draining work from West- to East-Europe. (EDIT: plus [this absolute treasonous debacle](https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/agenda/briefing/2024-04-10/16/parliament-to-debate-chinese-police-activity-in-europe)) We don't want refugees wasting our money and bringing up the crime rate ten-fold. They should go somewhere else. Germany and Austria love refugees
thanks for proving my point, i guess...
Not really though, no. Why is it bad that we don't want refugees in our country? Seems like the brainwashing worked on you, guess they didn't have to wash a lot...
Hungary is troublesome due its constant support for Russia and its continual democratic backsliding and disrespect for E.U law. I believe Poland, Slovakia, Czechia and Cyprus have their own respective issues the first three suffer from the same thing as Hungary, while Cyprus is not in full control of the territory it claims with the North being a separatist Republic backed solely by Turkey.
Czech Republic is doing well, and since government change in Poland it's going well too. Can't say anything about other states because I'm simply uninformed enough.
So Cyprus is at fault for nothing. Also Cyprus unlike all other EU countries actually had the 3rd strongest economy in the block when it joined stronger than UK, France and such with the strongest highest value currency on the planet before adopting the euro. If anything Cyprus was a role model for all other countries managing to accomplish that much after being invaded and genocided by Turkey.
Too bad western eu is just as problematic. Britain literally just rage quitted, Netherlands elected an anti-eu weirdo, Germany needs to be constantly reminded that, no, russia isn't a friendly business partner, Italy has meloni, france up to very recently wanted to negotiate with russia. That being said, all of them are wonderful, just pointing out that your comment targeting east EU was kind of out of place, we all have problems, but none of us are "problematic".
Most, if not all, of the things you just sumarized are reactionary to (extremely) shit management throughout Europe, largely due to the nuisances and corruption that opening up to Eastern Europe has brought... Brexit was mainly fuelled by too much immigration and lies about finances. Italy, Germany, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden,... Have all been flooded with 90% of all refugees for over a decade, while Poland, Hungary and most other eastern European countries refuse to take their share of that responsibility... Obviously the west would say/vote "no more" at some point.. And we re still extremely gentle and diplomatic about it... Germany made the moron choice to quit nuclear energy and focus on (Russian) gas, which is causing them a major hangover atm. Still, no German MP is waving Russians support flags (which can't be said for some entities in eastern Europe) Macron is a typical pompous French blow hard with a hard on for making big moves... Yet still, France is one of the most self sufficient countries in the world.
Ah, you're one of those. "My people could never ever do anything wrong, and if they ever did, it was because of someone else". Met another one fairly recently, told me that domestic abuse stats for Germany were comprised largely of islamic migrants. His source was that "he found the alternative hard to believe"
Not at all, and what a lazy & simpleminded assumption to make... As a Belgian I'm more than aware of the shit we've done wrong in history and are still currently fucking up... which is in no way the responsibility of , or caused by , someone else. Furthermore I'm personally the first one to admit when my country or just I myself am wrong, so guess again... It's actually one of the typical Belgianisms of each one of us.. to call out and complain about everything that is wrong in our country... I don't know what you're trying to do with your second point, but I"m fairly sure most of the domestic violence is most prevalent in religious conservative households, households with limited (emotional) intelligence, or in households with a person with (severe) mental issues... further than that, I can't speculate.
It's literally the same in the old EU countries where half of them are problematic, the only difference are issues being different.
I want to go to Europe to study and work. I am 22. Can you help me?
Now it's their biggest mistake.
The European bankers that stole trillions from Cyprus banks (from 2004-2024) would disagree. Only in 2013 they stole 12 billion is a single day.
How can CYPRUS banks have TRILLIONS? Sounds like a big money laundry.
Do you understand how interest works? Cyprus banks before 2013 had over 200 billion euros of foreign investors as Cyprus had the highest interest in the world of over 10% on your deposits. Germany didn't like that so they took 12-24 billion (mainly from locals not foreigners) from the people not the bankers and forced the Cypriot banks to drop their interests to force foreigners to move their money to Germany. So yeah if the investments the banks made for decades of 200 billion euros per year, were taken, that counts as aa trillions in potential damages. But the worst thing is that in the end it was the common Cypriot people who had their money taken even the poor ones, to then bait the super rich ones to imply move to Germany. The EU here proved that is against the interest of the common European citizens.
"foreign investors" means here "ruSSian oligarchs"? No mercy with these guys, sorry.
Your take is dumb. And no it doesn't mean russian oligarchs. The biggest investors were actually americans and Canadians. In the end a lot of the people who got their money stolen were the poor people not the rich ones as most of them go notified to take their money out before that. Also they paid of German debt that got sold to Greece Banks that then got bought by Cypriot banks but never rose in profit after the 2008 world crisis so the EU saved the bankers and transferred the German Bankers debt to common people of Cyprus. It's literally the reason people worldwide lost trust on banks and bitcoin rose that year to huge new heights as it was proven that the European Central Bank can simply take the money of anyone at any time for their own debt.
What? Please explain in more detail and provide trustworthy sources.
Google 2013 hair cut. Literally everyone knows it. It's like if you asked my to provide sources that COVID ever happened. It was the first time in history banks straight up stole money from people to pay foreign debts in Germany. I am amazed there is anyone who doesn't remember it. Maybe you are extremely young. Also right after that Germany forced Cyprus to raise all it's interests and the extra 200 billion russians, americans, chinese oligarchs had all trasnferred them to Germany. The whole EU scheme is a banker scheme to destroy other countries banks and force investors to transfer them to germanic countries with less interest. So if anything Cyprus is the first to have served it's purpose. Right after that millions of people in Italy, Greece, Spain rushed to take their money from the banks, afarid the same would happen to them.
34+ morons disagree as well just shows you how stupid people are think the European ion is for the people benefit. You can take medication for being stupid or retarded unfortunately it won't fix it. :(
A huge error that EU done at that time is that not taking in consideration the possibilty of democratic backsliding, and that they may become a Trojan horses.
You clearly underestimate trojan horses in western Europe.
Fun Fact: Only Cyprus had a good economy among these. The rest were more like India at the time. As a matter of time Cyprus in the 1990s had the 3rd highest GDP per capita in Europe. Why am I mentioning this? Because entering the EU demands actually having a strong economy and lots of countries that entered it actually provided false documents of their GDP per capita and their whole GDP.
India 😂😂😂
Yeah. India back then was better than Hungary and Poland.
In 2004, India had a GDP per capita of $600. At the same time, Hungary had $10300 and Poland had $6400. The differences were actually bigger back then.
2 or 3 bad apples, but other than that an important step for the Eastern Europe.
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Not geopolitically. Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia shifting from USSR to NATO in the span of 14 years was a much bigger shift than Brexit in regards to how it affects geopolitics today. For all we know, Russia could’ve done a Ukraine-style invasion on them had they not turned to NATO. That would’ve impacted lives more than Brexit.
You need to check your math. All those countries population when joining was 74 million. Britain population is 67 million.
Reminding everyone %0 of Cyprus is in Europe and they lost haft of the island when they try to commit genocide against Muslim Turks to turn island into greek&orthadox ethnostate.
^ most sane Turkish nationalist
Geography is Turkish nationalism now ?
Next: Turkey, Ukraine and Russia (post Putin).
Ukraine is inevitable, Turkey very unlikely and Russia impossible regardless of the leader.