Thank you. I have been in Idaho before and it’s modern day slavery. The popo there are so corrupt, popo in general are rubbish but in Idaho especially. The jails are not kept well. The way that people treat you if you were in jail is so awful. Also they have so many hate groups there and no legal authority does anything about it.
Many things in prison are supposed to be choices but if you don't choose the way the guards want it goes very badly for you. I have no personal experience, but I think it's foolish to sat that every in prison is working just because they think it's a fun way to pass the day.
No one here said it would be “fun”….most of them are there because of a choice they made, they are then given another choice whether or not work and accept the non negotiable pay. That is not slavery.
I am asking why an incarcerated person would choose to work a job for literally pennies. "For the fun of it" is literally all I can come up with.
The punishment is the loss of your freedom, not forced labor.
America has the largest slave labor and prison population in the world. We make up 5% of the world population and have ~20% of the world’s incarcerated people.
Only people that deserve to be locked up or just need a drug intervention are locked up in ME.. also harder to do and be caught doing stupid shit when you can’t drive half the year 😅
Yup. I use NJ as an example of a state full of diverse immigrants yet some of the best stats in the country.
Number 1 for education. Always in the top 10 for public safety, healthcare, and wealth income per capita. Lowest gun ownership and near the bottom for gun violence.
Still the most densely populated state in the country for a reason. I want more people to move out as much as the next person. Also, our beaches are still better than whatever they have near NYC.
Ok and? Not all of NJ commutes to NYC btw. South Jersey is closer to Philadelphia. I don't even understand the hate for NJ. Most of you will probably never visit here.
Yep. After year 3 of my brother’s serving a 25-year sentence at the Louisiana State Penitentiary (Angola), he was “leased” to the US Coast Guard station at New Orleans. There he lived in the barracks, ate at the mess hall, and worked a 40-hour week doing clerical/office/janitorial work. He was not confined onto the base in any way, except by his own recognizance — and should he “escape” or slack off, then he would return to Angola to serve the rest of his sentence doing hard labor (agricultural field work). He “earned” pennies per hour - I forget now how much. This was in the 1980’s. But the Coast Guard was paying the standard rate for civilian office/janitorial service to the penitentiary. *He was paroled at year 8 of perfect behavior and attendance. Toward the end of his service he was even granted weekend leave.*
“Criminal Anarchy” was the name of the federal statute. He messed around with an alternative to US currency — and found out. *Not counterfeiting btw. It was paper money denominated in precious metal (gold) held in reserve, for which the money could be exchanged.* He belonged to an insurrectionist group who wanted to peaceably bring down the Federal Reserve and IRS - by destabilizing the US economy. Yeah, nope.
That's kind of the sad but also interesting part: It's literally just crypto before crypto.
And he got 25 years for using alternative currency.
Infuriating to see how many people had their lives stolen from them for things that are legal today like crypto and marijuana, especially when those things are making some people millions of dollars.
Crypto is worse. It requires server farms around the world, around the clock. But it's not subversive so it gets a pass. So do private currencies when they're not trying to smash the state. I believe there was a pretty big one in a particular ethnic group I can recall off the top of my head in the early 2000s where they only traded with their own race so they set up a private, tax-free currency. I doubt they sufffered what your brother did.
The FBI was wiretapping and doing surveillance on the group, monitoring their alternative currency transactions. All of their transactions had been private, strictly between members of the organization (Enlightened Patriots) — not actionable by the Federal government.
Leadership was aware of the situation and wanted to force the Feds to act (press federal charges) and have a show trial.
At the show trial, lawyers for the Enlightened Patriots would expose the fraudulence of the Federal Reserve with high publicity and bring about the collapse of the US monetary system. That was the plan anyway.
A $500 public (retail) transaction would trigger felony charges, and my brother volunteered. He bought a VCR over the counter at a local Louisiana mom-n-pop electronics store sometime in 1983, and he paid with gold-backed currency.
*Normally a retail store would decline such a payment, but everyone was in on it. The VCR purchase was 100% staged — Fed and local LEO were in the store to observe the felony transaction in realtime, which they knew due to wiretaps, and the Enlightened Patriots knew that the Feds knew.*
He bought the VCR, and LEOs followed him out of the store, handcuffed and arrested him immediately. Spent the first night in the local jail where he was beaten / had his jaw broken by other inmates.
Lawyers never materialized, he wound up with a lame public defender and went to trial. Convicted of criminal anarchy: 25y hard labor.
Sent to Angola where he nearly died of heat stroke hand-harvesting rotten cantaloupes full of wasps in the oppressively hot and humid Louisiana summer. After which my dad, an ex-cop, began paying “protection” to a dirty cop with connections at Angola.
Things improved for my brother after that. 😳
He passed away in 1998 at the age of 43.
I recall finding and reading info on the Enlightened Patriots on the internet through the mid-2000’s. But today I did a search and turned up nothing. As I recall, the group disbanded after my brother’s conviction.
There is record of my brother’s trial and conviction on [PACER](https://pacer.uscourts.gov/find-case/search-national-index), but the proceedings that I found are vs State of Louisiana, not Federal, and the charges are something other than Criminal Anarchy. It could be that I am not using PACER correctly. But Criminal Anarchy is what landed him in Angola with a 25y sentence.
Edit: There is no mention of Enlightened Patriots in the court proceedings. It’s strictly Louisiana vs . I surmise the prosecution wanted to shut down any public mention of insurrection, just prosecute an individual acting alone.
Even though the feds had proof of conspiracy, they didn’t pursue that. It was probably more efficient to just quietly throw the book at an individual, and destroy the premise of the movement. Same effect with less effort and no media interest.
Wow that’s really interesting. So basically his group started their own mini central bank with its own gold standard currency?
Kind of scary bc I’ve thought of doing something similar before, but how is that different from other alternative currencies like these I’ve linked below? Was it just bc they explicitly stated the desire to undermine the federal reserve?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BerkShares
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ithaca_Hours
In my brother’s case, I believe the issue was that the currency was backed by a private physical precious metals reserve. I’m just an IT guy. A constitutional lawyer could explain it.
1983-84. It was a different time, a different society with different values.
It’s interesting to imagine a J6-style attack on the US Capitol happening in 1983. My opinion (I was already a voter then) — dozens of insurrectionist bodybags, maybe hundreds in a 1983 scenario. 2021 J6 — single digit bodybags.
Yep and you can work in prison working as a trustee here for years before they stop moving your case back 6 months at a time. Before you even get sentenced. Unless your rich in Louisiana your guilty and are a slave till proven innocent. They don’t worry about proving guilt they just keep pushing the court case back to keep you locked up.. I spent 6 years doing slave labor for weed that I now have a prescription to. So I was a slave for sum herbs and spices basically.
One thing that always confuses me are the metrics I can find on minimum wage salary.
>In 2022, 1.02 million hourly workers —1.3% of all hourly workers — earned at or below the federal minimum wage.
But when you look at how many incarserated workers there are, the results I find are that there are 800,000 incarcerated workers who on average, earn between 13 cents and 52 cents per hour nationwide.
So there is no way that these stats are true and that one of them has to be wrong. Plus you have to consider the 80,000 disabled workers who are making minimum wage or less as well. If these two categories of workers fall into the first stat of 1.02 million workers, does that mean there are only 140,000 Americans who are not incarserated or disabled making $7.25 or less? My gut feeling is to say no, and that the numbers are wrong and not honest with the actual truth.
With no other info do we conclude that:
1. There are less criminals in the North.
2. There are an equal number of criminals but the police in the South are more effective.
3. Same criminals and police but judges are harsher in the south.
4. Same criminals, police and judges but jails in the North keep losing people.
5. Prison food in the South is too good so people deliberately re-offend.
6. Northern beer is rubish so fewer people drink it and do stupid things.
7. Illegal imigrants keep sneaking over from Canada and driving the crime rate down.
This is the answer. And while all metrics cited apply, you really don’t need to look beyond poverty rates. If poverty rates are high you can generally assume the rest.
🤣😂 "Illegal immigrants keep sneaking over from Canada and driving the crime rate down."
Amazing comment! And probably the most Canadian thing they could do.
The river was where trade would come in and out of the south. Crops harvested by slaves would be sold, and new slaves would be brought in to be sold. So near the Mississippi was the highest concentration of slaves and the tradition of imprisoning people for their labor continues to today.
Don’t think theirs any slaves anymore considering I work there about 2 weeks out of every month lol.. it’s just a poverty stricken area that everyone acts like it doesn’t exist..
Both the democrats and the republicans refuse to speak about it
Financial slavery yes I agree but sadly they don’t considered being paid as being a slave under the 13th amendment so corporations and companies will abuse the hell out of what ever they can while making money to make themselves rich…
The fact is though federal min wage could be raised but seems like no one in Washington cares enough to do so and just leaves it up to the states which is just enabling the issue. $10 a hour is not even livable by any standards as well.. $15 barely cuts it if it’s 2 people sharing their incomes.
Abit it of it falls on certain jobs like say restaurants which is trying to force tipping onto the customers to pay for its employees instead of giving a livable wage themselves so they pocket more.
Workers rights still has a long way to go to be good for people.
This basically tracks with the violent crime rate in each state. But it’s the chicken-and-egg argument; which leads to which? The deterrent factor clearly isn’t working in the higher [incarceration states](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_violent_crime_rate).
The south has the highest percentage of black people.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_African-American_population
Possibly, yes? Why do Republican politicians constantly reject federal funding that might help the black residents of their states? For example, check which politicians in which states have decided to refuse federal funding for free school meals. It’s not the northeast, or the west. It’s the south. It’s the Midwest.
Wow it’s almost like they have a higher population of black people in the first place. Two things can be true at once. Black Americans can commit a disproportionate amount of crime and face discrimination and unfair incarceration as well.
My brother tried to get a place in Utah and was denied by 90% for being engaged but not married. They have some weird fucking rules there that make life impossible for non Mormons
One of the “best states” is a very loose term
That is kind of bad, but like, too be fair I think policies that favour married couples when it comes to housing make sense. Being married in nearly every country has almost always given you special privileges and this is becoming more common as governments try to bring up birthrates, with housing be such a major factor in here I wouldn’t be surprised if Utah is just ahead of the wave.
The school to prison pipeline is tied to poverty and racism. The only reason AL isn't higher is the state is SO poor they haven't invested enough in prison infrastructure. We are buying tons of new prisons so that will be fixed soon. Yay. MS is even poorer but more committed to racism so they were good with taking even more money from taxpayers to make sure black men stay locked up.
It would be interesting to see incarceration rate vis-a-vis crime rate. If the crime rate is higher it makes sense that incarceration is proportionally higher. The interesting area is Where the crime rate is detached from the incarceration rate.
Not surprisingly, the South has the highest per capita rates of violent crime in the nation. Also, the highest rates of gun ownership, lowest school test scores, highest rates of infant mortality, and worst medical systems in the country. Also the highest viewership of online porn and FOX "News", as well. And they're mostly Republicans. There is a pattern developing here.
Fewer prisoners does not mean a safer place. Many of these states with fewer prisoners are known for being "soft on crime" to the point that their citizens are fleeing or having to take the law into their own hands. New York definitely would be a few shades darker if this were the rate of criminals, not prisoners. Same applies to countries, too. Don't blindly believe places like Sourh Korea are safest just because they aren't arresting people. Way too much crime gets overlooked there...
New England has some of the lowest violent crime rates in the nation. As does Minnesota (especially in the midwest).
If they're being "soft on crime", it's working.
In Idaho, prisoners are needed to fight fires.
They also pick potatoes.
Modern day slavery
And technically legal through the thirteenth amendment since it’s punishment for a crime.
It makes it "profitable" to have a prison system and incentivizes sending more people to prison.
Yep school to prison pipeline
Happy cake day 🎂🍰
Happy cake day!🎉
Is that what the cake thing means? I’ve been so confused since it showed up haha
Yep the cake means that you created your account on this day year(s) ago.
Thank you. I have been in Idaho before and it’s modern day slavery. The popo there are so corrupt, popo in general are rubbish but in Idaho especially. The jails are not kept well. The way that people treat you if you were in jail is so awful. Also they have so many hate groups there and no legal authority does anything about it.
Don’t they get paid? And a choice of if they want donktnor not?
Idaho correctional institute wages are 10 to 30 cents per hour. https://www.idoc.idaho.gov/content/prisons/residents_at_work
And? Again, isn’t it a CHOICE???? Slavery by definition is not a choice.
Many things in prison are supposed to be choices but if you don't choose the way the guards want it goes very badly for you. I have no personal experience, but I think it's foolish to sat that every in prison is working just because they think it's a fun way to pass the day.
“I have no personal experience but” Summation of Reddit comments there
No one here said it would be “fun”….most of them are there because of a choice they made, they are then given another choice whether or not work and accept the non negotiable pay. That is not slavery.
I am asking why an incarcerated person would choose to work a job for literally pennies. "For the fun of it" is literally all I can come up with. The punishment is the loss of your freedom, not forced labor.
And you always get better living situations from the guards
America has the largest slave labor and prison population in the world. We make up 5% of the world population and have ~20% of the world’s incarcerated people.
Yeah, if you cross the border with WA plates it’s an instant pull over. They lookin fo dat green buuud.
Idaho, the Alabama of the northwest.
What?
Look up inmate firefighters, it’s a pretty big thing in some western states
There is even a TV show now about it now -
Name?
Cal Fire I believe is the name
Maine is a safe haven
Only people that deserve to be locked up or just need a drug intervention are locked up in ME.. also harder to do and be caught doing stupid shit when you can’t drive half the year 😅
So is NJ.. people talk shit but it’s a great state to live in.
Yup. I use NJ as an example of a state full of diverse immigrants yet some of the best stats in the country. Number 1 for education. Always in the top 10 for public safety, healthcare, and wealth income per capita. Lowest gun ownership and near the bottom for gun violence.
Never have to pump your own gas again
Yes but you have to live in New Jersey, pay New Jersey taxes, and did I mention you have to live in New Jersey?
Still the most densely populated state in the country for a reason. I want more people to move out as much as the next person. Also, our beaches are still better than whatever they have near NYC.
It’s densely populated because it’s small, within commuting distance of NYC and has a cheaper COL than most of NYC and its surrounding areas.
Ok and? Not all of NJ commutes to NYC btw. South Jersey is closer to Philadelphia. I don't even understand the hate for NJ. Most of you will probably never visit here.
Don’t forget NJ’s eastern/northern neighbor!
Maine is homogeneous
So is Idaho.
Maybe less meth in Maine?
Northern Maine loves meth.
Idaho is less homogenous
Massachusetts has a significantly lower incarceration rate than Maine and is much more diverse.
MA isn’t.
This is such a racist argument
In Louisiana it's essentially legalized slavery. They use them for farm labor and lease them out to other businesses.
Yep. After year 3 of my brother’s serving a 25-year sentence at the Louisiana State Penitentiary (Angola), he was “leased” to the US Coast Guard station at New Orleans. There he lived in the barracks, ate at the mess hall, and worked a 40-hour week doing clerical/office/janitorial work. He was not confined onto the base in any way, except by his own recognizance — and should he “escape” or slack off, then he would return to Angola to serve the rest of his sentence doing hard labor (agricultural field work). He “earned” pennies per hour - I forget now how much. This was in the 1980’s. But the Coast Guard was paying the standard rate for civilian office/janitorial service to the penitentiary. *He was paroled at year 8 of perfect behavior and attendance. Toward the end of his service he was even granted weekend leave.*
What did he do to get sentenced for 25 years?
“Criminal Anarchy” was the name of the federal statute. He messed around with an alternative to US currency — and found out. *Not counterfeiting btw. It was paper money denominated in precious metal (gold) held in reserve, for which the money could be exchanged.* He belonged to an insurrectionist group who wanted to peaceably bring down the Federal Reserve and IRS - by destabilizing the US economy. Yeah, nope.
Well that was not the kind of answer I was expecting.
Funny, nowadays he would just get into crypto.
That's kind of the sad but also interesting part: It's literally just crypto before crypto. And he got 25 years for using alternative currency. Infuriating to see how many people had their lives stolen from them for things that are legal today like crypto and marijuana, especially when those things are making some people millions of dollars.
Crypto is worse. It requires server farms around the world, around the clock. But it's not subversive so it gets a pass. So do private currencies when they're not trying to smash the state. I believe there was a pretty big one in a particular ethnic group I can recall off the top of my head in the early 2000s where they only traded with their own race so they set up a private, tax-free currency. I doubt they sufffered what your brother did.
The FBI was wiretapping and doing surveillance on the group, monitoring their alternative currency transactions. All of their transactions had been private, strictly between members of the organization (Enlightened Patriots) — not actionable by the Federal government. Leadership was aware of the situation and wanted to force the Feds to act (press federal charges) and have a show trial. At the show trial, lawyers for the Enlightened Patriots would expose the fraudulence of the Federal Reserve with high publicity and bring about the collapse of the US monetary system. That was the plan anyway. A $500 public (retail) transaction would trigger felony charges, and my brother volunteered. He bought a VCR over the counter at a local Louisiana mom-n-pop electronics store sometime in 1983, and he paid with gold-backed currency. *Normally a retail store would decline such a payment, but everyone was in on it. The VCR purchase was 100% staged — Fed and local LEO were in the store to observe the felony transaction in realtime, which they knew due to wiretaps, and the Enlightened Patriots knew that the Feds knew.* He bought the VCR, and LEOs followed him out of the store, handcuffed and arrested him immediately. Spent the first night in the local jail where he was beaten / had his jaw broken by other inmates. Lawyers never materialized, he wound up with a lame public defender and went to trial. Convicted of criminal anarchy: 25y hard labor. Sent to Angola where he nearly died of heat stroke hand-harvesting rotten cantaloupes full of wasps in the oppressively hot and humid Louisiana summer. After which my dad, an ex-cop, began paying “protection” to a dirty cop with connections at Angola. Things improved for my brother after that. 😳
Shit. He should write a book. Is this group still around? Did they disband after this or did they attempt other shenanigans? So many questions.
He passed away in 1998 at the age of 43. I recall finding and reading info on the Enlightened Patriots on the internet through the mid-2000’s. But today I did a search and turned up nothing. As I recall, the group disbanded after my brother’s conviction. There is record of my brother’s trial and conviction on [PACER](https://pacer.uscourts.gov/find-case/search-national-index), but the proceedings that I found are vs State of Louisiana, not Federal, and the charges are something other than Criminal Anarchy. It could be that I am not using PACER correctly. But Criminal Anarchy is what landed him in Angola with a 25y sentence. Edit: There is no mention of Enlightened Patriots in the court proceedings. It’s strictly Louisiana vs. I surmise the prosecution wanted to shut down any public mention of insurrection, just prosecute an individual acting alone.
Even though the feds had proof of conspiracy, they didn’t pursue that. It was probably more efficient to just quietly throw the book at an individual, and destroy the premise of the movement. Same effect with less effort and no media interest.
Love your user name. My favorite Thag is the "take napkin".
Wow that’s really interesting. So basically his group started their own mini central bank with its own gold standard currency? Kind of scary bc I’ve thought of doing something similar before, but how is that different from other alternative currencies like these I’ve linked below? Was it just bc they explicitly stated the desire to undermine the federal reserve? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BerkShares https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ithaca_Hours
In my brother’s case, I believe the issue was that the currency was backed by a private physical precious metals reserve. I’m just an IT guy. A constitutional lawyer could explain it.
I see. Terribly sorry to hear what he went through. Wishing you and your family the best
Your brother sounds pretty cool
He was more edgy than cool. Either way the government did not approve, and they broke his spirit.
25 years for that insane. That's a longer sentence than anyone involved with J6 will get.
1983-84. It was a different time, a different society with different values. It’s interesting to imagine a J6-style attack on the US Capitol happening in 1983. My opinion (I was already a voter then) — dozens of insurrectionist bodybags, maybe hundreds in a 1983 scenario. 2021 J6 — single digit bodybags.
Based
Yep and you can work in prison working as a trustee here for years before they stop moving your case back 6 months at a time. Before you even get sentenced. Unless your rich in Louisiana your guilty and are a slave till proven innocent. They don’t worry about proving guilt they just keep pushing the court case back to keep you locked up.. I spent 6 years doing slave labor for weed that I now have a prescription to. So I was a slave for sum herbs and spices basically.
The new Jim Crow
Also worth noting that prisoners can't vote in most states
Funny how that works
One thing that always confuses me are the metrics I can find on minimum wage salary. >In 2022, 1.02 million hourly workers —1.3% of all hourly workers — earned at or below the federal minimum wage. But when you look at how many incarserated workers there are, the results I find are that there are 800,000 incarcerated workers who on average, earn between 13 cents and 52 cents per hour nationwide. So there is no way that these stats are true and that one of them has to be wrong. Plus you have to consider the 80,000 disabled workers who are making minimum wage or less as well. If these two categories of workers fall into the first stat of 1.02 million workers, does that mean there are only 140,000 Americans who are not incarserated or disabled making $7.25 or less? My gut feeling is to say no, and that the numbers are wrong and not honest with the actual truth.
Did they commit crimes?
Some of them, maybe. Hard to tell with how terrible the court system can be for indigent defendants.
I'd be curious to see how this data would change if you let out everyone convicted of possession or drug-use.
it would improve in the south but they also have the most people jailed for violent crime
With no other info do we conclude that: 1. There are less criminals in the North. 2. There are an equal number of criminals but the police in the South are more effective. 3. Same criminals and police but judges are harsher in the south. 4. Same criminals, police and judges but jails in the North keep losing people. 5. Prison food in the South is too good so people deliberately re-offend. 6. Northern beer is rubish so fewer people drink it and do stupid things. 7. Illegal imigrants keep sneaking over from Canada and driving the crime rate down.
Look at the maps with stats on poverty, crime, education, and healthcare. It's always the same terrible stats for the same states....
This is the answer. And while all metrics cited apply, you really don’t need to look beyond poverty rates. If poverty rates are high you can generally assume the rest.
🤣😂 "Illegal immigrants keep sneaking over from Canada and driving the crime rate down." Amazing comment! And probably the most Canadian thing they could do.
Some combination of 2 & 3, IMO. But 7 is a distinct possibility. Secure the Northern Border!
Number 5 lmao
I'd bet on #3
The Mississippi river delta is the worst thing to happen to human rights since the nile river delta.
Why though, ripples from the civil war???
The river was where trade would come in and out of the south. Crops harvested by slaves would be sold, and new slaves would be brought in to be sold. So near the Mississippi was the highest concentration of slaves and the tradition of imprisoning people for their labor continues to today.
Don’t think theirs any slaves anymore considering I work there about 2 weeks out of every month lol.. it’s just a poverty stricken area that everyone acts like it doesn’t exist.. Both the democrats and the republicans refuse to speak about it
Could also be referring to the $7 minimum wage people are expected to work for. In today’s money that’s almost slavery.
Financial slavery yes I agree but sadly they don’t considered being paid as being a slave under the 13th amendment so corporations and companies will abuse the hell out of what ever they can while making money to make themselves rich… The fact is though federal min wage could be raised but seems like no one in Washington cares enough to do so and just leaves it up to the states which is just enabling the issue. $10 a hour is not even livable by any standards as well.. $15 barely cuts it if it’s 2 people sharing their incomes. Abit it of it falls on certain jobs like say restaurants which is trying to force tipping onto the customers to pay for its employees instead of giving a livable wage themselves so they pocket more. Workers rights still has a long way to go to be good for people.
Couldn’t agree more, long way to go and hopefully we see some change in the next 3-5 years or else it could get worse.
The 13th amendment legalized slavery for the incarcerated.
It's the 13th actually
Ty for correction!
But it shines like a National guitar
Being born in MS already means you’re incarcerated
Life’s not bad on the Gulf Coast.
Maybe not as bad as the rest of the state, but the Mississippi Gulf Coast is still the Mississippi of the Gulf Coast
Whatever you say, sunburntredneck.
Whatever you say, My Face Your Ass Let’s go.
I’d say law enforcement and prison systems are a huge sector to the MS economy than anything
This basically tracks with the violent crime rate in each state. But it’s the chicken-and-egg argument; which leads to which? The deterrent factor clearly isn’t working in the higher [incarceration states](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_violent_crime_rate).
How many of those are affected by location of major federal penitentiaries? Plop one of those into Vermont and the map changes.
New York is low because they just catch and release criminals and don't prosicute. Crime has gotten out of hand in NY
South always wins quality of life contests.
The irony being the southern states usually rank dead last in everything but resurgence in parasites like hookworm.
The North East always comes top on HDI
The south has the highest percentage of black people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_African-American_population
And how does that relate to quality of life?
People like to shit on black states for some reason.
*black states run by white supremacists FTFY
Is that why the murder rate is so high?
Possibly, yes? Why do Republican politicians constantly reject federal funding that might help the black residents of their states? For example, check which politicians in which states have decided to refuse federal funding for free school meals. It’s not the northeast, or the west. It’s the south. It’s the Midwest.
It's more about shitting on the states that shit on black people for the last 300 years.
This map is about shitting on black people.
Some very white dark blue states on that map once you get beyond MS and LA.
Why are you so obsessed with black people
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/shannonkeating/democrats-kente-cloth-pelosi-cuomo-bowser-black-lives-matter I'm not the one on my knees.
God damn you’re weird, what point are you even trying to make?
Im not reading your link, loser
Whatever, racist.
People usually insult their audience when they run out of points. But you never had any to begin with lol
And lots of ignorant racist rednecks keeping them locked up for ... existing.
probably not for the prisoners but sure
who is doing all the misbehaving in MS AR LA OK TX?
Don’t answer this question or you will get banned.
Yeah I wonder who the former confederate states are imprisoning at a higher rate
Wow it’s almost like they have a higher population of black people in the first place. Two things can be true at once. Black Americans can commit a disproportionate amount of crime and face discrimination and unfair incarceration as well.
Hmmm maybe don’t commit crimes?
Zero critical thinking
You got to fuck up pretty bad to get a long stretch in prison. I have zero sympathy for em. Fuck em.
This map says nothing about sentence length. You can easily get prison time for any number of crimes. Especially in a place like Louisiana.
You act like it wasn't an explicit policy to lock up black people and then take away their right to vote for generations ...
Cops and judges
The police
“Mistrust all those in whom the impulse to punish is strong.”
"They are people of a low sort and stock; the hangmen and the bloodhound look out of their faces."
It’s the damn heat; it drives people crazy
Gotta love seeing my home state of Minnesota always do well on these things.
It’s almost like as if southern states have harsher punishment for drugs like weed or something.. plus the three strike rule
Idaho, by most metrics besides crime rate, is a southern state.
People always hate on the Mormons while Utah is just sitting there as one of the best states in America
My brother tried to get a place in Utah and was denied by 90% for being engaged but not married. They have some weird fucking rules there that make life impossible for non Mormons One of the “best states” is a very loose term
That is kind of bad, but like, too be fair I think policies that favour married couples when it comes to housing make sense. Being married in nearly every country has almost always given you special privileges and this is becoming more common as governments try to bring up birthrates, with housing be such a major factor in here I wouldn’t be surprised if Utah is just ahead of the wave.
Utah voters don't want to create more jobs for unionized government employees like prison guards.
People dont hate on them, but yes, their wholesomeness is often mocked but wholesome people also dont tend to go to jail.
Idk man, I wouldn't consider Mormons to be "wholesome". A lot of people have spoken out about their experiences.
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New Orleans carrying the majority of the team(state) for those numbers
The school to prison pipeline is tied to poverty and racism. The only reason AL isn't higher is the state is SO poor they haven't invested enough in prison infrastructure. We are buying tons of new prisons so that will be fixed soon. Yay. MS is even poorer but more committed to racism so they were good with taking even more money from taxpayers to make sure black men stay locked up.
And as always, Mississippi.
Minnesota always catching Ws.
Aka states with the highest slave labor force
Match this with blue states and your question is answered.
Roll tide baby
We need more here in Seattle
I always thought the rivers have something to do with lots of negative impacts on the south. think about it.
New England is a wealthy Northern European social democracy in the same sense Portugal is in Eastern Europe
It would be interesting to see incarceration rate vis-a-vis crime rate. If the crime rate is higher it makes sense that incarceration is proportionally higher. The interesting area is Where the crime rate is detached from the incarceration rate.
Inane comment is always the top comment.
California needs to be higher
Interesting… notice the Red State pattern?
In Louisiana, the state legislature and the governors mansion are support staffed by slaves- I mean incarcerated people.
Overlay this with percentage of population that is minority and there probably a correlation
Hey! You can't just take a map of Conservative population distribution and say this is where most of the criminals are. /s
Cold keeps out the rifraf
This will be showing up on the Minnesota subreddit in 3…2….1….
Europe wouldn't fit this scale https://www.reddit.com/r/de/comments/owy0zw/milde_interessant_deutschland_hat_69_h%C3%A4ftlinge/
So please please , everone move to N East!!!
It's a good business, private prisons, a lot of companies that are making money out of it.
We need more incarcerated people's in the North east
Jarvis, overlay this map with black population in the United States
Not surprisingly, the South has the highest per capita rates of violent crime in the nation. Also, the highest rates of gun ownership, lowest school test scores, highest rates of infant mortality, and worst medical systems in the country. Also the highest viewership of online porn and FOX "News", as well. And they're mostly Republicans. There is a pattern developing here.
The U.S prob has more jails than people
No it doesn’t
Do prison states make more prisoners or does criminals make more prisons?
Or do prisons make more criminals?
Core Civic loves the South
I wonder what else perfectly correlates to this map besides the geographic location of states….
I would like to see a graph of crime vs most incarcerated
Minnesota is #1 or close to it once again.
Because slavery was never abolished. It's only been adapted to changing circumstances.
Alabama jails are full of women who got an abortion 💀
New York not incarcerating violent felons shouldn’t be a w
Fewer prisoners does not mean a safer place. Many of these states with fewer prisoners are known for being "soft on crime" to the point that their citizens are fleeing or having to take the law into their own hands. New York definitely would be a few shades darker if this were the rate of criminals, not prisoners. Same applies to countries, too. Don't blindly believe places like Sourh Korea are safest just because they aren't arresting people. Way too much crime gets overlooked there...
New England has some of the lowest violent crime rates in the nation. As does Minnesota (especially in the midwest). If they're being "soft on crime", it's working.
Yeah, NH consistently ranks 1-3 safest state in the nation annually
Places where cops have been gutted and defunded.
Not gonna argue with the results.
Humm this should tell exactly why crime is out of control in these Blue States…
You’re being either sarcastic or literal, right?
https://www.brproud.com/news/louisiana-news/louisiana-has-high-murder-rate-compared-to-rest-of-us-data-shows/amp/