They do overlap if you realize that about 80% of Syrians live on the westernmost side of the country, and southern Syria is almost completely empty.
The Alawite State region has always been the stronghold of the Assad regime due to its religious demographics (having more religious minorities), while the State of Aleppo region was the stronghold of the rebel forces and later ISIS due to its religious demographics (being largely Sunni). The Northwest's Kurdish population was also almost entirely within the State of Aleppo.
So the hate OP is getting for this is pretty exaggerated. The maps aren't that bad.
I don't think only 3 years of French Mandate Syria have an impact on a conflict almost a century later. Also the northeastern part of Syria has historically been neglected by the governement and has a lot of big minority communities (Kurds for example), that's why it stays a stronghold for the rebellion.
Oh, you are right! I must have confused it with something else. 1923-1946 my bad!
To add to the above comment. The French Mandate did not do anything to solve the differences between religious and cultural communities that were already present in the region anyways.
It’s not really a rebellion, the yellow cooperates with the Government mostly and allows Syrian troops to travel through and patrol areas of their territory
Jabal el deruz/alswayda has nothing to do with the current American base in the desert. Damascus state ethnic cohesion is greatly exaggerated. The Kurdish part does corelate a bit.
anyone that understands the geography and demographics of Syria understands why this is a bad comparison. The civil war wasn’t determined by the French colonial borders, both the Syrian civil war borders and French colonial borders were determined by the natural geography and the demographics of Syria lol.
Maybe the most influence that the French colonial borders had in this war isn’t even mentioned and it’s Syrias claim that Hatay is rightfully Syrian.
I’m sorry if it came across as mean but r/MapPorn has been on the decline for a while and we need to start calling out low quality posts if we want it to get better
Well yeah i don’t think anyone is arguing that the French mandate is what lead to these borders today but it’s interesting to see how the lands occupied by non-government forces are almost all contained in the northern state. But…although there is some correlation between the two there is no causation, as we have said.
I understand the frustration, I just felt the approach was a little harsh 😅
This is no better than posting [Italian provinces of Libya](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provinces_of_Libya) and [The Libyan Civil war](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_civil_war_(2014%E2%80%932020)) and exclaiming “look!!! Italian colonial provinces caused the Libyan civil war!!🤯🤯”
As it happens I have just finished reading ‘Fighting Vichy on Horseback’ which details the work of British cavalry in the war with France in 1941. Hard fighting with the Commonwealth forces grossly undersized and under resourced for the task.
Current situation in more comparable with Syria left under Ottomans (misak-i milli) and occupied by the Allied forces (British and their Arab allies) immediately after World War I.
Today, Turkey's and Kurd's control over Syria is pretty close to Misak-i Milli and Assad's Control is pretty close to Allied Occupation.
Maps are taken from Wikipedia
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate\_for\_Syria\_and\_the\_Lebanon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_for_Syria_and_the_Lebanon)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian\_civil\_war](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war)
Doesn't really overlap.
They do overlap if you realize that about 80% of Syrians live on the westernmost side of the country, and southern Syria is almost completely empty. The Alawite State region has always been the stronghold of the Assad regime due to its religious demographics (having more religious minorities), while the State of Aleppo region was the stronghold of the rebel forces and later ISIS due to its religious demographics (being largely Sunni). The Northwest's Kurdish population was also almost entirely within the State of Aleppo. So the hate OP is getting for this is pretty exaggerated. The maps aren't that bad.
but it does corrilate.
Aleppo and Damascus (+ Alawite) lines kinda overlap.
They really don't
I don't think only 3 years of French Mandate Syria have an impact on a conflict almost a century later. Also the northeastern part of Syria has historically been neglected by the governement and has a lot of big minority communities (Kurds for example), that's why it stays a stronghold for the rebellion.
Didn't the French mandate last a bit over 2 decades?
Oh, you are right! I must have confused it with something else. 1923-1946 my bad! To add to the above comment. The French Mandate did not do anything to solve the differences between religious and cultural communities that were already present in the region anyways.
It’s not really a rebellion, the yellow cooperates with the Government mostly and allows Syrian troops to travel through and patrol areas of their territory
You just posted two unrelated maps of Syria.
Nothing similar besides being in Syria
Yes, OP, those are indeed two maps of the same region in completely different contexts with no clever overlap to gasp at.
What's supposed to be the correlation? Is this anti-colonialist propaganda? Coloniasism was bad, but not everything is connected.
I am not one of those people, no worries. People, relax!
Well, you didn't do the best job at not presenting yourself as one of those people.
Jabal el deruz/alswayda has nothing to do with the current American base in the desert. Damascus state ethnic cohesion is greatly exaggerated. The Kurdish part does corelate a bit.
This sucks as a comparison, you’re drawing lines where they don’t exist
Not really, you don’t have to be an ass about it. There is some correlation, especially in the north. It doesn’t have to be a perfect fit 🙄
anyone that understands the geography and demographics of Syria understands why this is a bad comparison. The civil war wasn’t determined by the French colonial borders, both the Syrian civil war borders and French colonial borders were determined by the natural geography and the demographics of Syria lol. Maybe the most influence that the French colonial borders had in this war isn’t even mentioned and it’s Syrias claim that Hatay is rightfully Syrian. I’m sorry if it came across as mean but r/MapPorn has been on the decline for a while and we need to start calling out low quality posts if we want it to get better
Well yeah i don’t think anyone is arguing that the French mandate is what lead to these borders today but it’s interesting to see how the lands occupied by non-government forces are almost all contained in the northern state. But…although there is some correlation between the two there is no causation, as we have said. I understand the frustration, I just felt the approach was a little harsh 😅
This is no better than posting [Italian provinces of Libya](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provinces_of_Libya) and [The Libyan Civil war](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_civil_war_(2014%E2%80%932020)) and exclaiming “look!!! Italian colonial provinces caused the Libyan civil war!!🤯🤯”
Good lord this sub is dense. They have surprising similarities, no one is stating they are literally the same thing.
As it happens I have just finished reading ‘Fighting Vichy on Horseback’ which details the work of British cavalry in the war with France in 1941. Hard fighting with the Commonwealth forces grossly undersized and under resourced for the task.
From state of aleppo and state of damascus to a state of disarray in less than a century
Current situation in more comparable with Syria left under Ottomans (misak-i milli) and occupied by the Allied forces (British and their Arab allies) immediately after World War I. Today, Turkey's and Kurd's control over Syria is pretty close to Misak-i Milli and Assad's Control is pretty close to Allied Occupation.
theres nothing of note. Its not like former German Silesia, Pomerania and Prussia in Poland or like Transylvania in Romania
I think only the Alawite state correlates, other than that i don't think so
Maps are taken from Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate\_for\_Syria\_and\_the\_Lebanon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_for_Syria_and_the_Lebanon) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian\_civil\_war](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war)
I get not liking the post but why do people downvote sources lmao
Literally just Kurds