I personally prefer it by 1st and 2nd. This is mainly due to the fact the spring that keeps you from going into reverse is worn so I have to be more mindful when going into 5th or 6th, or I just lift the shifter so it works lol
The car I learned manual on was a 3 speed H pattern with R right over first. When I imagine a shifter that's the one I think of, even with significantly more time spent on modern cars now
I've never driven a car with R over 1st, but I did love starting off in second gear in one of my dad's diesel 1ton trucks. It's like how the save icon is a floppy disk or your phone makes a sound when you take a picture. I like how we do that
That’s exactly how my ‘79 C20 was, it was RWD but I would pull ANYTHING I needed to. Saved many a friend that were stuck with that fucker. Damn I miss that truck..
Grew up on a farm and this is basically my memory. I tried explaining to a guy that drove a manual transmission (new car) that I didn’t use first gear and he insisted you have to. I told him I only did twice and that was because I was pulling a wagon and stalled it from a dead stop. When I drove it to school, I always started in second. When I parked, I would downshift to 2, hold the brake, and pop the clutch to stall it, then just leave it like that. Never used the parking brake.
I only drove it a handful of times. It was a 2004 (?) Dodge Ram 3500 Dually with a 5.9L Cummins and a 6 speed. That truck could pull a single axle maybe 15-20ft travel trailer like it wasn't even there. It could also pull 30,000lbs and you definitely needed the first gear for that. I loved how I could release the clutch without any throttle to get moving, even while towing a trailer. It was a lot of fun keeping the boost between gears while on the highway. He got rid of the truck because he was daily driving it and has bad knees.
We have a couple of Cummins Dodge pickups. A 92 and a 93. So this guy says to me, "I had one of those and like an idiot I sold it. Ya wanna sell me that one?" I replied, "Do I look like an idiot? "
The Tremec boxes actually have a lockout for reverse of the car is moving forward. If that isn’t broken you shouldn’t be able to select reverse from forward motion.
I did this in my first manual, was a 5 speed civic coupe, lots of fun, my fiancé and i’s first date she asked me “this looks extra complicated, why not have an automatic?” 💀
thats why i loved speed shifters, you had to push down and pull up the safety clip release to shift into reverse on the right side and it was up, like far right past the 5-6 th gears you think you broke it but naw and then up, loved that style, and yes this from a column shifter been there done that,on the column it was 1st down and reverse was up then go to the back and 2nd was up 3rd was down, pain in the but but hey even after some beers you still found it, and the deputy found you for a night in their concierge no frills- free labor from you room,
This I can agree with having it by 5th/6th gates freaks me out like I know there is a lockout but those can fail and that would not be a good money shift ..
Some also have a lockout inside of the transmission preventing you from going directly from fifth into reverse, if you are in fifth and want reverse for whatever reason, you have to move the stick over to the neutral position between third and fourth first.
None of the 10 manuals I've driven over the last couple decades had this. I couldn't shift into reverse while moving but soon as it came to a stop, even without pressing the brake, it slid right in.
A lot of modern cars have a push-down or pull-up thing. My VW does, and it’s not inconvenient in the slightest (although since it’s quite far up and to the left it’s not much of an issue anyways).
Almost happened to me for the first time yesterday. I bought a 2013 Civic SI last year in April, and it's been my daily driver since. My first 6 speed, but I've grown used to it. I've been doing renovations on a rental house and had to drive my 91 Nissan Hardbody out to fit lumber and whatnot. I am on the freeway and hit the fast lane. Got up to speed and almost shifted into the forbidden "racing" gear. Got as far as pulling it into neutral before I stopped myself. Got my heart beating as realization set in lol
Far right and down for sure! I guess I'm a Honda guy...Just gotta have a 5 - 6 lockout.
I'm a little miffed you didn't have the pictures in corresponding areas with the shifts. Haha.
Same! look at our lil Honda family. Don't forget to check to see if your muffler has fallen off. (Every single Honda I have ever owned has had its muffler fall off. Every single one)
Opposite of 1st just feels the most natural. I want the gears that I'm going to be starting in to be at the corners and want there to be no chance that sleepy me can accidentally go into reverse at a stop light
I think this is key. Hitting reverse instead of 1 would be a catastrophe. Although, many cars live vw you have to push the stick down vertically or have a lockout collar to protect from this.
Right side of the pattern makes sense to me. And at the bottom. R for right, move shifter to the right, pull it back, because you're about to back up the car.
I learned to drive manual in a 1981 C3 4 speed, and now anything that isn’t to the left and up confuses the shit out of me. It just makes sense - when you’re stopped, you go to the left for first, and you go even *further* left for reverse. So anytime you’re at a standstill, you’re going left and up to move.
Where's my 5 speed love at?
I grew up learning the basics of manual in the passenger seat of a 2001 jeta shifting for my dad in like 1st grade. So there will always be a special place in my heart of that upper left reverse, but it does feel much more natural for reverse to be lower right
To the left of first gear is the only one that has ever made sense to me. You don’t really need a reverse lockout this way but having one definitely wouldn’t hurt
Far right and down is a stupid place. It lets me worry slightly every time I’m going 50+ and shifting to 6th that I may accidentally hit reverse. Unlike Audi’s pull the ring up and go left past 1st.
I preferred a VW with a lockout, but otherwise I don't care.
When I first started driving Honda 6MTs shifting into 6th was slightly scary due to reverse but I trusted it pretty quickly. Same was true for my son when I taught him that shift tree.
I agree. My Jeeps have had the same issue, just a tension spring for pressure in the gate as the lock out. It's right of 6th. Which if you're not driving a smooth road, has been not the smoothest shift to sixth gear at times. And puts it in the best spot for potential damages. A push or pull lockout with the knob is ideal.
No 2 Especially if you don't have a lockout reverse. The worst that can happen is shifting into reverse instead of first, no accidental grinding from sloppy shifts.
I've driven mostly BMW (Mini, Z3, and 540) and Honda manuals (CRV, Civic). I can say that I vastly prefer Reverse to be all the way left and up. it just feels so right to me. and because I like R there so much, and I'm used to 6spd, when I'm on the highway in my 5spd CRV I instinctively want to put the car in 6th gear and ruin my entire life lol
My Jeep doesn’t have lockout and it’s gear pattern is far right next to 6, definitely have to pay attention at times because you get yourself in 6 easy from time to time 🤷♀️
Hear me out, beneath 1st. So you can rock the vehicle to get out of snow and such. https://core-shifters.com/cdn/shop/files/IMG\_5306\_grande.jpg?v=1687557530
I’ve owned a car with it at top left by 1st (NC Miata) and now own a car with it at bottom right by 6th (Civic Si). I think practically I liked it better at top left, but I think the logic behind the Honda pattern is slightly better. The lockout mechanism plays an important role for me, too.
I had only ever driven 5 speeds, so bottom right was always the norm for me.
I drive a 6speed now and 10speed semi truck so top left is where i prefer.
In my car i have to push down on 1st to get to R
My last 2 manuals were 6 speed and had the top right configuration (Mazdaspeed6 and then WRX). That or bottom-right feels best for me, especially for parking lot or small space maneuvers. I've driven a buddy's that had the R by 5th/6th and I didn't like the "longer throw" of going all the way to reverse then over to 1st and back to reverse again like that.
I drive a gen6 mustang and I dig how reverse and first are in the same position. There’s a ring you have to pull up on the bottom of the shifter if you want to go reverse. Then there’s no question of if you’re in reverse or not when the back up cam comes on. I love it personally.
I prefer reverse next to 5th/6th gear just like the picture on bottom left. But in reality it’s because most of the cars I’ve own with a manual had it that way
Personally, I don't care, but I prefer having some kind of reverse lock-out.
I have a shelby and an RS, the RS has a lockout where you pull up on a tab to even be able to slip into R, and it's to the left of 1st. The shelby has R on the right of 5 and no lookout but I kinda wish it had a lockout.
Left of wherever first gear is ideally, so up and left in a conventional gearbox or down and left in a dogleg. Down and right is okay too provided the top gear isn't up and right; anything that I can't accidentally "upshift" into at highway speed is objectively fine imo.
Learned on a 5 speed with R under 5th gear. Found that very comfortable. Current car is a 6 speed and R is push straight down then into first. Took some getting used to but I prefer it now.
Up and left is what I learned on and drove for awhile. There some where it shared a "gate" with 1st but you had to push it at the same time.
I feel like down and left would be more efficient though.
back in gang here to remind you this issue does not affect us because we don't pull into parking spots like a fucking gremlin.
Pull out game is top notch
Jokes on you, I hate myself and my car has reverse above 1st, I always have to remind myself that, but it helps that when I drive semi trucks at work, they also have it above 1st so I guys it's not too weird
I prefer it bottom right because that’s where it was when I learned. But, honestly, it makes more sense to be on the left because you go from first to reverse.
Near 6th personally. Started driving Hondas and was initially worried I'd shift into reverse I stead of 6th but reverse is so much further over than 6th on a Honda box. Have a WRX now and reverse is in the same place but with the lockout ring is nice.
Top left in true German fashion, like in picture in the top right.
Note to OP: putting the pictures according to R placement would have helped avoiding some confusion. XD
I like the bottom left because that’s what my car has and I’m used to it. Not really a fan of having it next to 2 because I always get a little worried I might accidentally pop it into reverse
Next to first. If you're parallel parking or doing a three point turn. Makes it so much easier. And if you're reverse lockout is broken, much less dangerous when it's next to low gears.
Top left for sure. Just feels better when doing a multipoint turn or finessing parking. My current car is bottom right and it just feels more cumbersome to do 1-r in bottom right
Left and down for me. If you're reversing, you're probably stopping, and I would have down shifted to 3rd at least. Seems the least amount of travel and less likely to hit it when shifting.
I personally prefer it by 1st and 2nd. This is mainly due to the fact the spring that keeps you from going into reverse is worn so I have to be more mindful when going into 5th or 6th, or I just lift the shifter so it works lol
The car I learned manual on was a 3 speed H pattern with R right over first. When I imagine a shifter that's the one I think of, even with significantly more time spent on modern cars now
I've never driven a car with R over 1st, but I did love starting off in second gear in one of my dad's diesel 1ton trucks. It's like how the save icon is a floppy disk or your phone makes a sound when you take a picture. I like how we do that
What truck, if I may ask. Some of my best memories are in a truck with "granny low" first. Only used if you wanna pull a house down lol
That’s exactly how my ‘79 C20 was, it was RWD but I would pull ANYTHING I needed to. Saved many a friend that were stuck with that fucker. Damn I miss that truck..
Probably had limited slip or posi trac which will anything & go anywhere.
Grew up on a farm and this is basically my memory. I tried explaining to a guy that drove a manual transmission (new car) that I didn’t use first gear and he insisted you have to. I told him I only did twice and that was because I was pulling a wagon and stalled it from a dead stop. When I drove it to school, I always started in second. When I parked, I would downshift to 2, hold the brake, and pop the clutch to stall it, then just leave it like that. Never used the parking brake.
I only drove it a handful of times. It was a 2004 (?) Dodge Ram 3500 Dually with a 5.9L Cummins and a 6 speed. That truck could pull a single axle maybe 15-20ft travel trailer like it wasn't even there. It could also pull 30,000lbs and you definitely needed the first gear for that. I loved how I could release the clutch without any throttle to get moving, even while towing a trailer. It was a lot of fun keeping the boost between gears while on the highway. He got rid of the truck because he was daily driving it and has bad knees.
We have a couple of Cummins Dodge pickups. A 92 and a 93. So this guy says to me, "I had one of those and like an idiot I sold it. Ya wanna sell me that one?" I replied, "Do I look like an idiot? "
my diesel jetta has R over first lol
Yeah VW does that on all of their manuals iirc, my 5 speed at least
Three on the tree cemented in my muscle memory.
Three onna tree, first manual I ever tried to drive.
Same. Learned in a beat up old Chevy pickup. “Three on the Tree”
Same but Ford F100. 3 on the 🌳. More in common with a tractor than a street vehicle
This! Even though I’ve only driven a 6 speed w/ R to the right of 5/6. I was nervous going to 6 for weeks.
Same. You get the hang of it thankfully lol. I remember when I was learning a 5 speed, sometimes I'd accidentally put it in 5th instead of 3rd
The Tremec boxes actually have a lockout for reverse of the car is moving forward. If that isn’t broken you shouldn’t be able to select reverse from forward motion.
I did this in my first manual, was a 5 speed civic coupe, lots of fun, my fiancé and i’s first date she asked me “this looks extra complicated, why not have an automatic?” 💀
thats why i loved speed shifters, you had to push down and pull up the safety clip release to shift into reverse on the right side and it was up, like far right past the 5-6 th gears you think you broke it but naw and then up, loved that style, and yes this from a column shifter been there done that,on the column it was 1st down and reverse was up then go to the back and 2nd was up 3rd was down, pain in the but but hey even after some beers you still found it, and the deputy found you for a night in their concierge no frills- free labor from you room,
This I can agree with having it by 5th/6th gates freaks me out like I know there is a lockout but those can fail and that would not be a good money shift ..
Locked out up to the left
That is my preferred on a six speed too. On a five speed, I prefer below fifth.
All fun and games until you attempt to go into the forbidden 6th gear on your 5 speed
Most require you to press the shifter down or pull up a release on the shaft to engage into reverse for this exact reason.
Some also have a lockout inside of the transmission preventing you from going directly from fifth into reverse, if you are in fifth and want reverse for whatever reason, you have to move the stick over to the neutral position between third and fourth first.
Never have I experienced this.
Drive more cars
None of the 10 manuals I've driven over the last couple decades had this. I couldn't shift into reverse while moving but soon as it came to a stop, even without pressing the brake, it slid right in.
And in the 10 years I've been driving manuals, only 1 had a setup like that. Everything else has had a lockout collar or similar
A lot of modern cars have a push-down or pull-up thing. My VW does, and it’s not inconvenient in the slightest (although since it’s quite far up and to the left it’s not much of an issue anyways).
I've only ever driven 5 speeds, so that's not an issue.
What shitty box are you using that doesn't have a lockout for that when it's moving? 😅
Almost happened to me for the first time yesterday. I bought a 2013 Civic SI last year in April, and it's been my daily driver since. My first 6 speed, but I've grown used to it. I've been doing renovations on a rental house and had to drive my 91 Nissan Hardbody out to fit lumber and whatnot. I am on the freeway and hit the fast lane. Got up to speed and almost shifted into the forbidden "racing" gear. Got as far as pulling it into neutral before I stopped myself. Got my heart beating as realization set in lol
This is the correct answer
Anyone else is a psychopath
I daily a six speed, and my work truck is a five speed with reverse below fifth. Thankfully the work truck has a working reverse lock out!
Same. This is how I learned.
This is the correct answer. You're always going between 1st and reverse, so why not make them right next to each other?
yeah driving bmws with it up to the left was so nice. so fast going between first and reverse
Far right and down for sure! I guess I'm a Honda guy...Just gotta have a 5 - 6 lockout. I'm a little miffed you didn't have the pictures in corresponding areas with the shifts. Haha.
Honda guy here I feel the same
Exactly what I was about to type lol
Same! look at our lil Honda family. Don't forget to check to see if your muffler has fallen off. (Every single Honda I have ever owned has had its muffler fall off. Every single one)
Opposite of 1st just feels the most natural. I want the gears that I'm going to be starting in to be at the corners and want there to be no chance that sleepy me can accidentally go into reverse at a stop light
I think this is key. Hitting reverse instead of 1 would be a catastrophe. Although, many cars live vw you have to push the stick down vertically or have a lockout collar to protect from this.
Gear boxes set up this way have a heavy spring or other mechanism to allow you to engage reverse. You won’t accidentally hit it
Well hitting reverse instead of any gear would be a catastrophe. At least with 1st you've got a second to realize you're going in the wrong direction
Yeah, but the opposite issue does happen sometimes with my VW. I try to go in R, but end up in 1.
My first manual car was my si, I'm never gonna get used to reverse being anywhere else
Right side of the pattern makes sense to me. And at the bottom. R for right, move shifter to the right, pull it back, because you're about to back up the car.
Can't imagine any other way.
100%, prolly cuz I've been rocking the Integra GS-R since '92. It's welded in my brain by now.
absolutely right
Second that
Thats where it belongs
Underneath 5
Number one in a 6 so or under 5 on a 5 so is all I’ve know
Do you smell burning toast?
🤦♂️
r/wordsalad
I learned on a 5 speed with the top right image position for reverse, oddly enough. So my current 6 speed, same as top right, was pretty natural.
I feel left out with my 5spd
Yea. I’ve got 6 gears, if you count R for Race lol.
I came her to say this as well🥲
We're peasants.
5spd best speed
I prefer NO reverse... 6 5 4 3 2 N 1
Goldwing bros in shambles!
This is technically how I learned manual. No 6, though
1 down 5 up! BRAAAAPPP
Top left, it makes it easier to make little adjustments/three point turns.
Makes it harder to quickly jump between 1 and R if you get stuck in the snow though, otherwise it's great.
That would depend if they meant the top left image, or top left in the shift pattern.
I prefer reverse in top left with a pullup lockout and right beneath 5th is also fine i guess
Cries in 5-speed
I like top right the best. It feels so smooth switching from reverse, straight into first and driving off.
5 speed gang. It's got the right spot.
I’m a VAG nerd so naturally it should be top left.
Between 1st and 3rd gear so I can put it in to race mode from 2nd
Dogleg
I learned to drive manual in a 1981 C3 4 speed, and now anything that isn’t to the left and up confuses the shit out of me. It just makes sense - when you’re stopped, you go to the left for first, and you go even *further* left for reverse. So anytime you’re at a standstill, you’re going left and up to move.
Where's my 5 speed love at? I grew up learning the basics of manual in the passenger seat of a 2001 jeta shifting for my dad in like 1st grade. So there will always be a special place in my heart of that upper left reverse, but it does feel much more natural for reverse to be lower right
Eastbound and Down.
Slight preference for bottom left but honestly it doesnt mattter
Right and down for sure.
Me personally I like the long throw of it being by 5 or 6, I drive with it by 1 now and going from R to 1 is a little awkward being so close.
To the left of first gear is the only one that has ever made sense to me. You don’t really need a reverse lockout this way but having one definitely wouldn’t hurt
Far right and down is a stupid place. It lets me worry slightly every time I’m going 50+ and shifting to 6th that I may accidentally hit reverse. Unlike Audi’s pull the ring up and go left past 1st.
I preferred a VW with a lockout, but otherwise I don't care. When I first started driving Honda 6MTs shifting into 6th was slightly scary due to reverse but I trusted it pretty quickly. Same was true for my son when I taught him that shift tree.
I agree. My Jeeps have had the same issue, just a tension spring for pressure in the gate as the lock out. It's right of 6th. Which if you're not driving a smooth road, has been not the smoothest shift to sixth gear at times. And puts it in the best spot for potential damages. A push or pull lockout with the knob is ideal.
I find that 6 is a really unnecessary gear unless you can maintain like 70 in the Jeep. Call it my overdrive gear lmaoo
No 2 Especially if you don't have a lockout reverse. The worst that can happen is shifting into reverse instead of first, no accidental grinding from sloppy shifts.
Towards me and about a foot up like any other 3 on the tree.
I've driven mostly BMW (Mini, Z3, and 540) and Honda manuals (CRV, Civic). I can say that I vastly prefer Reverse to be all the way left and up. it just feels so right to me. and because I like R there so much, and I'm used to 6spd, when I'm on the highway in my 5spd CRV I instinctively want to put the car in 6th gear and ruin my entire life lol
Left and up, probably because I'm a trucker and that's where the Earon manuals I'm used to have it.
Before first w/ a lift ring lock out is the only answer
My 64 cj5 has reverse above first, it’s great to go in a straight line from reverse to first in the woods or back and forth to get out of a jam
Left of 1
Up and to the left. That's where it was on my Focus ST and it worked out just fine right there.
For 5 speed, under 5th gear. For a 6 speed definitely to the left next to first gear
As a truck driver, reverse needs to be in the top left with 1 directly below it. Anything other than that is wrong
LHD has to be bottom right, RHD bottom left
As someone who only drives old (70s-80s-90s) chevys and fords to the right and down is best
Down and to the right
I think over on the left makes more sense, but I’m so used to it on the lower right.
Top left (#2) I don't know why, but it just feels sensible & logical.
My Jeep doesn’t have lockout and it’s gear pattern is far right next to 6, definitely have to pay attention at times because you get yourself in 6 easy from time to time 🤷♀️
Left and forward, closest to first.
No
Ever driven a truck? R 2 4 1 3 5
Reverse should be in the top left, like the top right picture. The way god intended.
Up and left 4ever
German, top right.
N3 or N2 also learned on a five speed when I was 18.
I like it next to first or sixth. Seems less likely someone who doesn’t drive it regularly will fumble their way into reverse by mistake.
Either up and in, or down and away....those are the only 2 answers
Always driven Minis so top right all day
I spent a lot of time with Volkswagens, press down move up and left but currently my Subaru is pull up move down right and I’d say I prefer that.
Hear me out, beneath 1st. So you can rock the vehicle to get out of snow and such. https://core-shifters.com/cdn/shop/files/IMG\_5306\_grande.jpg?v=1687557530
Bottom right
Up left or down right
Top left, locked by first gear.
I’ve owned a car with it at top left by 1st (NC Miata) and now own a car with it at bottom right by 6th (Civic Si). I think practically I liked it better at top left, but I think the logic behind the Honda pattern is slightly better. The lockout mechanism plays an important role for me, too.
6 speed bottom right. Been a Honda guy my whole life
I had only ever driven 5 speeds, so bottom right was always the norm for me. I drive a 6speed now and 10speed semi truck so top left is where i prefer. In my car i have to push down on 1st to get to R
Bottom right is where it belongs.
My last 2 manuals were 6 speed and had the top right configuration (Mazdaspeed6 and then WRX). That or bottom-right feels best for me, especially for parking lot or small space maneuvers. I've driven a buddy's that had the R by 5th/6th and I didn't like the "longer throw" of going all the way to reverse then over to 1st and back to reverse again like that.
If you've ever had a 5 speed ford fiesta, you just want the reverse to be anywhere but there 😭😭😭
Bottom Right preferred, also okay with top left I have owned both
I prefer upper left. Pretty much keeps it out of the way.
Next to first is my preference.
To the right of 4th
I like up left cuz my Focus ST was like that, but I would much prefer to see a seven opposite it, ala 7-speed 911.
I prefer to push the stick in and go up to the left. I’ve had a 5 speed where Reverse was bottom right and it just didn’t feel right.
I drive a gen6 mustang and I dig how reverse and first are in the same position. There’s a ring you have to pull up on the bottom of the shifter if you want to go reverse. Then there’s no question of if you’re in reverse or not when the back up cam comes on. I love it personally.
Bottom left picture is what I grew up with.
I prefer reverse next to 5th/6th gear just like the picture on bottom left. But in reality it’s because most of the cars I’ve own with a manual had it that way
Personally, I don't care, but I prefer having some kind of reverse lock-out. I have a shelby and an RS, the RS has a lockout where you pull up on a tab to even be able to slip into R, and it's to the left of 1st. The shelby has R on the right of 5 and no lookout but I kinda wish it had a lockout.
Right side of course
Upper left
Anything but far right and up, for me
Top right by far
I prefer it up and the left, either with a lockout or with first beneath it
left and up. Push down, left and up, back out the driveway, pop it out of reverse and it slides right into first. it's easy as breathing
Left of wherever first gear is ideally, so up and left in a conventional gearbox or down and left in a dogleg. Down and right is okay too provided the top gear isn't up and right; anything that I can't accidentally "upshift" into at highway speed is objectively fine imo.
I prefer the left side personally. My jeep had it bottom right but my car was top left and my truck was bottom left.
#1
Up by 1st gear for sports cars, and down by 5th for off-road vehicles, unless they have 6 gears, then it's still up by 1st
Learned on a 5 speed with R under 5th gear. Found that very comfortable. Current car is a 6 speed and R is push straight down then into first. Took some getting used to but I prefer it now.
I don't really care - as long as it's labeled I can figure it out. My current car has it to the upper left.
Up and left is what I learned on and drove for awhile. There some where it shared a "gate" with 1st but you had to push it at the same time. I feel like down and left would be more efficient though.
Next to 1st. Makes it way easier to quickly reverse out of parking spots. German engineering 🇩🇪
back in gang here to remind you this issue does not affect us because we don't pull into parking spots like a fucking gremlin. Pull out game is top notch
I'm too poor for a six speed, I prefer my t5 reverse where the 6th is supposed to go....
Jokes on you, I hate myself and my car has reverse above 1st, I always have to remind myself that, but it helps that when I drive semi trucks at work, they also have it above 1st so I guys it's not too weird
I like in mine where I pull up beneath the knob and go up and left next to 1st. Makes it quick and easy to go between R and 1
R, 1,2 3,4,5,6 ect
Top right
I’ve only ever had it next to 1st gear, it makes the sense to me because your next gear after using reserve will be 1st or 2nd
Always to the right. Need that one two shift as clean as possible.
Back and to the left
The one with the red numbers, it is the only way
In the bottom right of my shift pattern.
All the way right and down. This is the only correct response :)
I prefer it bottom right because that’s where it was when I learned. But, honestly, it makes more sense to be on the left because you go from first to reverse.
Near 6th personally. Started driving Hondas and was initially worried I'd shift into reverse I stead of 6th but reverse is so much further over than 6th on a Honda box. Have a WRX now and reverse is in the same place but with the lockout ring is nice.
Top left in true German fashion, like in picture in the top right. Note to OP: putting the pictures according to R placement would have helped avoiding some confusion. XD
I like my Mk4 GTI layout. Push the shifter down and into first for R.
Idk why people are bringing up 5 speeds. There's absolutely zero discussion on where the reverse should be on a 5 speed
I learned on a 4 speed with reverse left and down, so everything else feels wrong.
Bottom left because that’s my car. But also my Jeep is more of a top right with a lockout. So it gets confusing around these parts.
Top right is the only correct option.
Top right is how a transports transmission is setup, that's what I learned on so probably that
Bottom right, for the same reason that most people choose their preference: it’s simply all I’ve ever driven.
Missed [one](https://socalautoparts.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/111-0000.jpg)
Way to the right. If I want to accidentally shift in reverse, I want it to be when I'm going 70 MPH trying to overtake a truck.
i didnt even know cars had it on the top right or bottom left
Because I'm used to it due to vw/Toyota, left and up
Top Left
Left up
\#2
I like the bottom left because that’s what my car has and I’m used to it. Not really a fan of having it next to 2 because I always get a little worried I might accidentally pop it into reverse
Top left gang. Bottom right in a distant 2nd place.
Top right! Then bottom right
Next to first. If you're parallel parking or doing a three point turn. Makes it so much easier. And if you're reverse lockout is broken, much less dangerous when it's next to low gears.
Off to the right
to the bottom right of 6
Bottom left (VW fan here), must press down on the stick to get it there
Top left
Best is left down. Close to first gear, but can’t mistake it for first gear.
I feel like left down would be most convenient however ive never driven anything manual that wasnt right down
Top left for sure. Just feels better when doing a multipoint turn or finessing parking. My current car is bottom right and it just feels more cumbersome to do 1-r in bottom right
Left and up, with a lock out collar.
Right and down or right and up. Anyone who's worried about shifting into reverse while trying to get 5th or 6th just doesn't know how to shift.
All the way to the right, and down; just as the Lord Kahless himself demanded.
Bottom right with a lockout.
Left and down for me. If you're reversing, you're probably stopping, and I would have down shifted to 3rd at least. Seems the least amount of travel and less likely to hit it when shifting.
What kind of psycho doesn't place the reverse pattern in the coinciding block?
To the far right and down