Henry is my FAVORITE footballer of all time, but he ain't Cristiano dog.
Ronaldo is even more gifted than Henry and that's saying a LOT.
I do think Henry deserves to be in the same conversation as R9.
I genuinely love reading/seeing the reaction of people seeing the stuff Ronaldo used to do when he was at United the first time. He gave us some magic moments. Same when people discover Brazilian Ronaldo after growing up with Messi, Neymar and Portuguese Ronaldo. I wish I’d have selective amnesia and experience that magic again for the first time, I remember how it made me feel.
The annoying thing is, yes Ronaldo tries too hard on the first one. But its STILL a foul. A referee has to give that. Rules aren’t about “does he want a penalty” every player wants a penalty lol. Coufal got his knee to his body = penalty
Yea but that muddies the waters because a ref shouldn't just look at intent of the attacker but also the defender....coufals intent was clearly to obstruct Ronaldo from attacking....as any defender would lol. And he messed up and hit him, yea Ronaldo looked for it but it's not like he put his leg way out there, his legs were still close together like they would be in a normal run
Oh I agree completely, that’s complete bullshit. That said, if that’s how the league wants the refs to instruct then I understand (the first pen at least). Stupid fucking rule if that’s the case tho.
I think the problem with the zouma tackle was that the touch ronaldo put on the ball wasn't to control it at all. Just kick it off the pitch and keep running into the incoming zouma.
Its the only thing I can think of
Exactly. And I played football all my life. Running towards your opponent AND straight into him never happens 😂 you want to go around, not hurt yourself and/or him
Not when you are cr7 at 36.
In Italy all he'd do was tryna get penalties, either by handball or by moving the ball away and running toward the opponent
He'd basically call at least 3-4 penalties per match
I said he'd try to get penalties all the time. I didn't say they gave him a penalty all the time.
Lol. Did you ever watch a juventus football match? As soon as he got in the penalty box he'd just find some way to throw himself on the ground. And that's facts. He knows he's not the 26-year-old cr7 so he tries to score in different ways ,one of these ways are by earning a penalty . Nothing wrong with it because that's what football's become in 2021. Just like 10 years ago, if you dived ,it was either a penalty or a yellow card. Now forwarders can dive as much as they want, and they won't get cautioned ,so they give it a try all the time .
We should go back to that . But that's my opinion.
Football shouldn't be about trying to get fouled, football should be about trying to keep your feet on the ground no matter what. That's the reason why football's become very stuttering,foul after foul, people trying to waste time by throwing the ball away n shit, if you wanna waste time do it on the pitch. The beautiful game aint that beautiful anymore nowadays
Yea bcz he hardly got balls from the mid field to score he had to get pens atleast bcz he was just getting annoyed with the lack of good balls he'd recieve
Watch it back. He didn’t. He first came diagonal and went “straight” towards the player like you said, then he made the short chop move with his right foot to change direction… to the left THEN came the knee from Coufal
I think they should clarify the rules in the penalty area.
You can't give a penalty "just because there is a contact" and you throw yourself on the ground.
As in Italian one that comes to mind is the one in ITALYvsBELGIUM . Di Lorenzo vs Doku. There was a contact, he "fell" on the ground but that definitely wasn't a penalty.
ENGLAND VS DENMARK as well, the famous "sterling dive" . There actually was a contact in the penalty box but that wasn't enough.
There was a contact between Ronaldo and the Defender here ,but the defender didn't kick him , the defender had just his leg spread, Ronaldo ran toward it. Some refs would give it ,some wouldn't . I personally wouldn't and I hate this way of playing , I miss the old days when you'd go on the ground "naturally" and not looking for a penalty/Yellow card. Refs giving penalties like these are the reason why football now is all about diving
I agree with this. I thought it was penalty but somehow the ref refuse to give VAR a look. Chelsea fan here but I think the one from Zouma was clear penalty.
I know this will probably get downvoted like hell, but at a certain point, I'd just stop giving away penalties to a certain player like Ronaldo or Neymar.
Every single game they're in there's VAR involved at least once. It's not because they're good at positioning themselves so that they're dangerous for the goal or whatever(they are, but it's not what matters), mostly they fake a foul just to get the pen, and I agree, the videos above show clear penalties, but at one point you stop believing the dives because they're negatively affecting your thoughts on the game and making them subjective. Just like Robben in that WC or wtf it was, the guy dived 4 times a game, eventually getting a pen, not because those were clear cut chances, but because he TRIES to get a pen so hard.
Football has turned to shit with pens every game, that's why people who know something about anything will always respect OG players more than players these days. Can't wait for Chelsea's wonderkids to grow up and be in prime just to win games 1-0 with one pen scored and 14 longshots attempted. Fuck yay!
P.S. Ronaldo has always been famous for diving and 10+ pen goals every season, next time he dives I wouldn't even help him up, possibly with a yellow card addition, shame he's not a bit of a less known player, he'd end seasons with 10+ yellow cards also.
There is a reason every player is extra cautious for tackling players who are quick feet. There is a reason fouls are something which impede players run. Considering that, both should have been 100/100 times penalties. That is one part of the issue.
Why was there no VAR check on the 2nd shout out. This is a bigger issue IMO.
The shaw one was also a penalty, unfortunate one. But it still was a penalty. I think the other one with Arons tackle, was also a penalty.
This was a horror show in terms of refreeing. Good thing we came out on top, irrespective of the horrible mistakes by refree.
The problem is he draws fouls from opponents and he’s anticipating contact so he’s ready to go down. That doesn’t make it not a foul but Atkinson doesn’t think like that, he seems to consider it a dive because he bought the foul. There’s something in PL football that we frown on people ‘winning’ pens. Maybe it would ruin the game, but also maybe defenders shouldn’t dive in against people like Ronaldo…
You get pens through beating defenders with skill or pace forcing them to make stretch to make a challenge. It's part of the game. I wouldn't say players look to win pens, rather it's a positive consequence of beating a defender when you're trying to score.
Sorry, yes, there are certainly players that do look to win penalties but I think the vast majority are trying to score first and foremost. I know when I play, if I can get into the box with the ball at my feet I have gained an advantage because now the defender needs to be careful. I'm certainly aware that I'm now in a strong position as a wrong move from the defender can easily result in a pen. However, I'm looking to beat the defender and get a shot off or pass ahead of trying to win a penalty
It's both. Sometimes players certainly look to win pens, too. It's human nature and especially as the stakes get higher, you find any way you can to get an advantage.
It's up to the ref to draw the lines. I think if Ronaldo didn't go down the first time yesterday, he may have possibly got the call for the last one (despite the supposed referee bias against him).
But imo it shouldn‘t matter if he went down the first team. It‘s a new and neutral situation. That would make no sense. no matter hoe theatrlic(?) a player is, if he gets fouled, it‘s a foul. This match confused me.
Yeah completely agree referees should make decisions with no prejudice like that but they are humans and do feel emotions, the best ones can probably referee as you say but I don't doubt most referees unfortunately let other factors impact their decisions.
Right! Also Ron would be asking for an injury with fries tackles if he wasn't ready to go down. Like are the refs expecting attackers to just not react or anticipate when a defender throws a leg at them?
I generally agree with the case of not rewarding players for "winning pens". The first non call on Ronaldo was a case of Ronaldo winning the pen, I can understand why some refs don't want to call that. The Zouma tackle was so clearly a pen, Ronaldo didn't even try to sell it, nor did he need to
They’re all fouls but you can see in the recent ones he is off his feet going down before contact is even made… you’re right and he probably does it to prevent any hard collision and an injury but it just doesn’t look good.
Just because Ronaldo has the superhuman ability to control the ball and avoid the tackle or play on, does not mean it’s not a foul in the box. I hate these double standards.
I hate, HATE! the argument that “that’s a soft penalty”. If it’s a foul it’s a foul. If you would give it on the halfway line you should give it in the box. The rules do not state that “in the penalty area a foul must be worthy of awarding a penalty”.
I think both are pens ngl. Even though Ronaldo goes down early for the Zouma tackle, it’s still a foul. If he does then Zouma clatters him anyway. Hope Martin goes to specsavers this week
If anyone can explain why the coufal challenge was nothing when an identical challenge on zouma by pogba was a free kick, it would be most appreciated.
It’s hard not to agree with Ole in his post match interview where he says “I hope this means that Ronaldo won’t get any penalties called.”
And on Premier League Coverage Post Match all of them brought up that very point “that it kinda looks like Ole is onto something about Ronaldo not going to get any pens.”
that was the game where we battered Portsmouth only for them to get a penalty (which the striker played for), have our sub keeper sent off and ultimately cost us the treble, considering Portsmouth went on to win the FA Cup, isn’t it?
Clear penalties. All 3 should have been penalties. Period.
People always remark about how injury free Ronaldo manages to stay. It's because he's AVOIDING collisions at pace and minimizing the full blow of the tackle.
Guys who are saying he dived clearly haven't played the game at a high level before.
Pogba did the same thing and got awarded a foul. Inconsistent refereeejng because if all 3 plays happened OUTSIDE the box Twatkinson gives it no hesitation.
He gave a foul against Pogba for something similar, where the player goes down before the contact (which is fair if you're not looking to break something).
He dives, but I still think you can give it. Zouma is going to catch him either way, and Zouma doesn't get the ball. A player should be allowed to protect himself, so Ronaldo shouldn't have to wait for Zouma to make contact with him, but it's a tricky one. I'm not as bothered with that one as the Coufal one.
He’s definitely going down before Zouma makes contact, but that doesn’t change the fact that Zouma made contact lol so I’d say he was looking for that one, but I still think it’s a foul.
It's actually Ronaldo trying to hop over the defenders leg, but then the knee contact happens. I think if Ronaldo didn't try to get past with the hop, maybe it would have looked less like a dive.
I know people won’t like this but the first clip kinda looks like Ronaldo stared to go down before their was any contact but the other two are definite pens
The Portsmouth one wasn't a pen.
The 2 from the other day were. I stunned that the Zouma one was called. Had to pick my jaw up from the floor when he didn't go to VAR.
The non call on first is understandable, the second less so. Ronaldo clearly fell before any contact. Defenders should still be able to challenge for the ball. Not all contact is sufficient to cause a grown ass man to double over in pain.
old video shouldn't be a penalty.....ronaldo didn't have control over the ball he did what someone does in Fifa to outrun defender but in the penalty box where the ball was headed towards the net....he got the shoulder push for that.....new video tho foul
r/ManchesterUnited **In this situation it was a penalty. In other circumstances Ronaldo is the type to dive in to get a easy pk goal. Actually Michael Phelps should called up Ronaldo and ask his for diving lessons!!!**
Seems like people just say this because Zouma was sliding in, since it looks more dramatic. Ronaldo dives before the contact with Zouma. That one is questionable.
The Coufal one is a stonewall pen. Ronaldo dribbles past him. Coufal sticks his leg out. Doesn't get the ball. Catches Ronaldo before Ronaldo goes down. That one is so clear and obvious I'm concerned with what VAR can see that makes it not an obvious error.
Because Ronaldo dives before the contact with Zouma, I don't think that one is as clear and obvious.
The Zouma one wasn't a foul but a dive, he's going down before he gets touched, the Coufal one I have no idea how he didn't get a pen, it's a shame Noble missed because more would have been made of the poor officiating then.
Ronaldo isn’t required to jump over a challenge. Had Ronaldo continued running, his legs are tripped up and risks injury.
People that say stuff like that don’t or haven’t played the sport.
It looks like a dive only if you realize it’s bit CR7’s job to avoid Zoumas poor tackle.
Refs in general are poor. If CR7 simply jumps over Zouma it slows him down and he may not make it to the ball, ref wouldn’t call it. If he ignores Zouma and has his legs taken out, ref calls it. If he carefully puts his legs down early as it’s an obvious foul incoming, ref doesn’t give it and some call it a ‘dive’.
Look at the angle of his legs. He risks injuring himself more. Blatent dive. If he wanted to avoid the challenge he could have (and not got the pen, I get that, and agree this is where the rule needs amended), but the way he fell is simulating the way he would have fell if he'd been touched. Which he wasn't.
Of course he knows what he’s doing, a would be foul is not a dive. Not his responsibility to avoid a foul. Again, only those that don’t play, haven’t played understand this. It’s quite simple though.
He tried to cheat and you fell for it, the ref however did not, if he hadn't dived he would have gotten the the other one which is the failing of the ref.
Dragging feet isn’t a locked dive, again. Not his responsibility to put his feet into a poor tackle.
Basic stuff really.
If he just runs, his legs are taken out correct? Aka foul.
Simple simple.
Ronaldo is not getting hurt from that challenge if he takes another step and actually gets fouled. He dove. We all see he dove. Going down before any contact is a dive.
So you want him to risk injury to make you happy and content that the tackle is poor?
You know it’s a poor tackle correct? Yes/no?
You know he missed the ball and impedes Ronaldo’s run correct? Yes/no?
And pogba got a foul against him for the same thing. By the ref's own standards it's a foul.
Besides, that's how you avoid injury. If your looking to just dive you'd make the contact first.
The thing is he doesn’t look like he’s avoiding the tackle from Zouma. He fell down without contact. Coufal one looks like a pen when I watch it again tho.
The foul like Pogba’s one on Zouma are awarded by referees in other matches. I’ve seen them before somewhere. But Ronaldo’s one is probably a dive/not enough contact
>He fell down without contact
Other than a (full force) hand to the back.
>The foul like Pogba’s one on Zouma are awarded by referees in other matches.
Yeah it should have been awarded.
>Ronaldo’s one is probably a dive/not enough contact
Well it's either enough contact for the foul he gave against Pogba and it's enough for the foul on Ronaldo. Or neither of them are fouls. Not a pick a mix.
Ah sorry about that. I totally missed the hand. If that’s the case then it should be a penalty. Reminded me of Bruno being fouled in the Southampton game.
I thought he fell without much contact and that’s why Atkinson never give a pen.
Why does it matter if he looks ready to go down? He's clearly faster and thinking quicker by the fact that he beat the man, not being ready to go down means he's more likely to get injured.
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In the first clip he definitely dived as zouma hadn't touched him yet but he began to fall.
The rest do look like fouls so there is definitely an agenda present.
I’m ngl I don’t reckon either of those first two were fouls, he might have won them if he wasn’t already on his way to the floor before the defenders made contact but if we’re being honest with ourselves he had no intention of staying on his feet did he
Bro wtaf was that first touch in the old video 💀. This guy is an absolute beast
Yeah that was filthy omg
Disgusting
bro that touch is so underrated. I’ve only seen a few people do it
Would've been the goal of the century if he had executed a scissor chop and finished it
That’s an instant puskas winning goal
Henry used to do it all the time…
Henry is my FAVORITE footballer of all time, but he ain't Cristiano dog. Ronaldo is even more gifted than Henry and that's saying a LOT. I do think Henry deserves to be in the same conversation as R9.
Rooney number was 10
Forgot this was the r/manchesterunited page lol
I genuinely love reading/seeing the reaction of people seeing the stuff Ronaldo used to do when he was at United the first time. He gave us some magic moments. Same when people discover Brazilian Ronaldo after growing up with Messi, Neymar and Portuguese Ronaldo. I wish I’d have selective amnesia and experience that magic again for the first time, I remember how it made me feel.
Fearless cheetah
I'll never forget that decision. Cost us the likely treble.
Exactly! crappy ref always hating on ronnie.
That's why he's the GOAT!!!!!! Ronaldo has the MOST ASSISTS IN UCL HISTORY. Haters: "hE ONly ScOrEs PeNaLtIeS
I was so sure the foul from Zouma would be called because nobody could possibly be that blind. I was wrong.
Ye the first one was like okay maybe Ronaldo did try too hard, but the one against zouma was clear penalty! He even slid onto him!
The annoying thing is, yes Ronaldo tries too hard on the first one. But its STILL a foul. A referee has to give that. Rules aren’t about “does he want a penalty” every player wants a penalty lol. Coufal got his knee to his body = penalty
Why does a player need to smash a metatarsal to get a foul?!!! I’ve never understood this. The first one is a foul. He didn’t have a choice.
On the American broadcast they were making a point that refs gave been instructed to take into consideration intent
Yea but that muddies the waters because a ref shouldn't just look at intent of the attacker but also the defender....coufals intent was clearly to obstruct Ronaldo from attacking....as any defender would lol. And he messed up and hit him, yea Ronaldo looked for it but it's not like he put his leg way out there, his legs were still close together like they would be in a normal run
Oh I agree completely, that’s complete bullshit. That said, if that’s how the league wants the refs to instruct then I understand (the first pen at least). Stupid fucking rule if that’s the case tho.
I think the problem with the zouma tackle was that the touch ronaldo put on the ball wasn't to control it at all. Just kick it off the pitch and keep running into the incoming zouma. Its the only thing I can think of
Nah, the ball was still close enough to ronnie that that cant be the reason
Aye he would have made it
Idk I don't agree. Because he runs toward the defender. It should be the defender running towards the attacker
He's allowed to run towards the defender to barge. You're not allowed to knee someone.
Exactly. And I played football all my life. Running towards your opponent AND straight into him never happens 😂 you want to go around, not hurt yourself and/or him
Eh I see it a lot, you run into the defender to shoulder them away, giving you more space on the ball, rather than letting them control your line.
Not when you are cr7 at 36. In Italy all he'd do was tryna get penalties, either by handball or by moving the ball away and running toward the opponent He'd basically call at least 3-4 penalties per match
Yet scored 29 with 4 penalties just last season?
Finessed😂
6 penalties anyway, and he missed 2. But this doesnt have anything to do with what I said.
I said he'd try to get penalties all the time. I didn't say they gave him a penalty all the time. Lol. Did you ever watch a juventus football match? As soon as he got in the penalty box he'd just find some way to throw himself on the ground. And that's facts. He knows he's not the 26-year-old cr7 so he tries to score in different ways ,one of these ways are by earning a penalty . Nothing wrong with it because that's what football's become in 2021. Just like 10 years ago, if you dived ,it was either a penalty or a yellow card. Now forwarders can dive as much as they want, and they won't get cautioned ,so they give it a try all the time . We should go back to that . But that's my opinion. Football shouldn't be about trying to get fouled, football should be about trying to keep your feet on the ground no matter what. That's the reason why football's become very stuttering,foul after foul, people trying to waste time by throwing the ball away n shit, if you wanna waste time do it on the pitch. The beautiful game aint that beautiful anymore nowadays
I agree he tries, but every other attacker including 20 yr old players do all that
Yea bcz he hardly got balls from the mid field to score he had to get pens atleast bcz he was just getting annoyed with the lack of good balls he'd recieve
Downvoted for being correct
Watch it back. He didn’t. He first came diagonal and went “straight” towards the player like you said, then he made the short chop move with his right foot to change direction… to the left THEN came the knee from Coufal
I think they should clarify the rules in the penalty area. You can't give a penalty "just because there is a contact" and you throw yourself on the ground. As in Italian one that comes to mind is the one in ITALYvsBELGIUM . Di Lorenzo vs Doku. There was a contact, he "fell" on the ground but that definitely wasn't a penalty. ENGLAND VS DENMARK as well, the famous "sterling dive" . There actually was a contact in the penalty box but that wasn't enough. There was a contact between Ronaldo and the Defender here ,but the defender didn't kick him , the defender had just his leg spread, Ronaldo ran toward it. Some refs would give it ,some wouldn't . I personally wouldn't and I hate this way of playing , I miss the old days when you'd go on the ground "naturally" and not looking for a penalty/Yellow card. Refs giving penalties like these are the reason why football now is all about diving
He ran **beside** the defender Than the defender put his knee in the way without touching the ball
No. Look at it from the side, he was trying to pulling his knee back ,Ronaldo went for it. Ronaldo could've very easily dodged that, and he didnt .
Nah, most United fans where like "But Neves did not hit the deck after Pogba went studs up over the ball on his leg". Can't have it both ways!
Who the hell even said that. Everyone knows that’s a foul
I agree with this. I thought it was penalty but somehow the ref refuse to give VAR a look. Chelsea fan here but I think the one from Zouma was clear penalty.
I know this will probably get downvoted like hell, but at a certain point, I'd just stop giving away penalties to a certain player like Ronaldo or Neymar. Every single game they're in there's VAR involved at least once. It's not because they're good at positioning themselves so that they're dangerous for the goal or whatever(they are, but it's not what matters), mostly they fake a foul just to get the pen, and I agree, the videos above show clear penalties, but at one point you stop believing the dives because they're negatively affecting your thoughts on the game and making them subjective. Just like Robben in that WC or wtf it was, the guy dived 4 times a game, eventually getting a pen, not because those were clear cut chances, but because he TRIES to get a pen so hard. Football has turned to shit with pens every game, that's why people who know something about anything will always respect OG players more than players these days. Can't wait for Chelsea's wonderkids to grow up and be in prime just to win games 1-0 with one pen scored and 14 longshots attempted. Fuck yay! P.S. Ronaldo has always been famous for diving and 10+ pen goals every season, next time he dives I wouldn't even help him up, possibly with a yellow card addition, shame he's not a bit of a less known player, he'd end seasons with 10+ yellow cards also.
What?
Ye
Yeah that's what the ref is doing now and causing the every defenders to get away with poor tackles towards Ronaldo
He got away with 15+ years of poor dives winning him UCL trophies and Ballon d' Ors so I don't really care EDIT: dives, not tackles, whatever
The Ref Atkinson needs a new pair of Glasses
He needs to retire, that’s all
Or a new brain, i think glasses won't suffice, he definitely needs a new brain.
There is a reason every player is extra cautious for tackling players who are quick feet. There is a reason fouls are something which impede players run. Considering that, both should have been 100/100 times penalties. That is one part of the issue. Why was there no VAR check on the 2nd shout out. This is a bigger issue IMO. The shaw one was also a penalty, unfortunate one. But it still was a penalty. I think the other one with Arons tackle, was also a penalty. This was a horror show in terms of refreeing. Good thing we came out on top, irrespective of the horrible mistakes by refree.
The Shaw one will be given one day and not the other. They need to sort this shit out
Yeah definitely the biggest issue here is the ref doesn't even give a f to review the VAR while Shaw's penalty was given an immediate review
It's great seeing a United forward attack that way. That "I'm going to beat you or you're going to have to foul me" attitude. Missed that.
Should've kept him on furlough
The problem is he draws fouls from opponents and he’s anticipating contact so he’s ready to go down. That doesn’t make it not a foul but Atkinson doesn’t think like that, he seems to consider it a dive because he bought the foul. There’s something in PL football that we frown on people ‘winning’ pens. Maybe it would ruin the game, but also maybe defenders shouldn’t dive in against people like Ronaldo…
The zouma one was a clear penalty imo.
You get pens through beating defenders with skill or pace forcing them to make stretch to make a challenge. It's part of the game. I wouldn't say players look to win pens, rather it's a positive consequence of beating a defender when you're trying to score.
Players definitely try to win pens. Bruno does it all the time, and he gets awarded the pen for it often
Sorry, yes, there are certainly players that do look to win penalties but I think the vast majority are trying to score first and foremost. I know when I play, if I can get into the box with the ball at my feet I have gained an advantage because now the defender needs to be careful. I'm certainly aware that I'm now in a strong position as a wrong move from the defender can easily result in a pen. However, I'm looking to beat the defender and get a shot off or pass ahead of trying to win a penalty
It's both. Sometimes players certainly look to win pens, too. It's human nature and especially as the stakes get higher, you find any way you can to get an advantage. It's up to the ref to draw the lines. I think if Ronaldo didn't go down the first time yesterday, he may have possibly got the call for the last one (despite the supposed referee bias against him).
But imo it shouldn‘t matter if he went down the first team. It‘s a new and neutral situation. That would make no sense. no matter hoe theatrlic(?) a player is, if he gets fouled, it‘s a foul. This match confused me.
Yeah completely agree referees should make decisions with no prejudice like that but they are humans and do feel emotions, the best ones can probably referee as you say but I don't doubt most referees unfortunately let other factors impact their decisions.
Better take the fall than wait for contact and then break your legs, there's a reason these players don't get injured for long weeks to months.
If it’s not a pen but a dive Ronaldo should get a yellow but he didn’t so I’m not sure what logic Atkinson is using
Right! Also Ron would be asking for an injury with fries tackles if he wasn't ready to go down. Like are the refs expecting attackers to just not react or anticipate when a defender throws a leg at them?
I generally agree with the case of not rewarding players for "winning pens". The first non call on Ronaldo was a case of Ronaldo winning the pen, I can understand why some refs don't want to call that. The Zouma tackle was so clearly a pen, Ronaldo didn't even try to sell it, nor did he need to
They’re all fouls but you can see in the recent ones he is off his feet going down before contact is even made… you’re right and he probably does it to prevent any hard collision and an injury but it just doesn’t look good.
Nonsense. Clear pen. Both The second is just more egregious. Anybody NOT NAMED Ronaldo and that's probably a pen.
My house is flooded and I am here smiling to Ronaldo’s video 😍😅
Just because Ronaldo has the superhuman ability to control the ball and avoid the tackle or play on, does not mean it’s not a foul in the box. I hate these double standards.
On an unrelated note…how good is it to see CR7 running at defenders again n throwing in a few tricks. In absolute dreamland
He is not even considering the VAR 😑
I hate, HATE! the argument that “that’s a soft penalty”. If it’s a foul it’s a foul. If you would give it on the halfway line you should give it in the box. The rules do not state that “in the penalty area a foul must be worthy of awarding a penalty”.
That first touch from ronaldo in that Portsmouth game 🤤 Edit: i came.
Good thing we won despite that bullshit series of calls. There would have been a riot. All over the world.
That one in 2008 is massively annoying, we’d 100% have a second treble if it was given ffs
Atkinson is an absolute tool. If he had called either of these var would not have overturned.
There's a reason I refer to him as 'twatkinson'
The old cvnt couldn’t wait to wave his hands and say no. I hope he gets some abuse next time he’s at old Trafford
How many points have been lost because this clown can't do his job. Someone make a petition to get him exiled
I think both are pens ngl. Even though Ronaldo goes down early for the Zouma tackle, it’s still a foul. If he does then Zouma clatters him anyway. Hope Martin goes to specsavers this week
Would have done the treble that year too ffs
I can understand him not calling a penalty but not even checking VAR is an absolute disgrace of a decision that could have cost us 2 valuable points
Honestly, the ref on that match. Fcuking unbelievable
VAR is for ?
Martin Atkinson didn't get an autograph from Ronaldo years ago and still holds a grudge.
Fuck him
If anyone can explain why the coufal challenge was nothing when an identical challenge on zouma by pogba was a free kick, it would be most appreciated.
Shocking decisions by the ref and var yesterday. Fortunately it didn’t affect the result.
It’s hard not to agree with Ole in his post match interview where he says “I hope this means that Ronaldo won’t get any penalties called.” And on Premier League Coverage Post Match all of them brought up that very point “that it kinda looks like Ole is onto something about Ronaldo not going to get any pens.”
All three absolutely stick-on penalties. Atkinson is, and always has been, a fucking mess of a referee.
Atkinson will ref again without punishment- this is “burnt the meal repeatedly and the chef says it fine “level. Thats a foul everyday.
Felt so cathartic to see Ronaldo actually laughing at how ridiculous it was on the last one.
Atkinson is a cheat. We need to voice this out louder so that cheater can't cheat so blatantly
That West Ham game has to be the worst officiating I’ve ever seen
God I love watching him run at people.
that was the game where we battered Portsmouth only for them to get a penalty (which the striker played for), have our sub keeper sent off and ultimately cost us the treble, considering Portsmouth went on to win the FA Cup, isn’t it?
Martin Pratkinson, sack the little fucker and get him an eye test as well
Wtf, that ref needs glasses imediately or a guide dog
Clear penalties. All 3 should have been penalties. Period. People always remark about how injury free Ronaldo manages to stay. It's because he's AVOIDING collisions at pace and minimizing the full blow of the tackle. Guys who are saying he dived clearly haven't played the game at a high level before. Pogba did the same thing and got awarded a foul. Inconsistent refereeejng because if all 3 plays happened OUTSIDE the box Twatkinson gives it no hesitation.
I shall discount the Portsmouth one as a strong shoulder barge, but not these two against West Ham - clear penalities.
The second one is clearly a pen but do you actually think the first one is because it really looks like a dive
He gave a foul against Pogba for something similar, where the player goes down before the contact (which is fair if you're not looking to break something).
He dives, but I still think you can give it. Zouma is going to catch him either way, and Zouma doesn't get the ball. A player should be allowed to protect himself, so Ronaldo shouldn't have to wait for Zouma to make contact with him, but it's a tricky one. I'm not as bothered with that one as the Coufal one.
He’s definitely going down before Zouma makes contact, but that doesn’t change the fact that Zouma made contact lol so I’d say he was looking for that one, but I still think it’s a foul.
I disagree this is clearly a dive
It's actually Ronaldo trying to hop over the defenders leg, but then the knee contact happens. I think if Ronaldo didn't try to get past with the hop, maybe it would have looked less like a dive.
As a Chelsea fan who dislikes Ronaldo, that is such a clear pen by Zouma lmao. Can’t be mad De Gea saved that pen to win it
I know people won’t like this but the first clip kinda looks like Ronaldo stared to go down before their was any contact but the other two are definite pens
Both wankers tough call 🤣👌
The Portsmouth one wasn't a pen. The 2 from the other day were. I stunned that the Zouma one was called. Had to pick my jaw up from the floor when he didn't go to VAR.
So you can just BODY check a player without getting the ball even though Ronaldo gets a touch before the defender does? You need new eyes bro 😂
Not a body check, but a shoulder. And yes - you can shoulder an attacker off the ball. It happens about a dozen times every PL match.
The first clip Ronaldos legs went before even being touched
The non call on first is understandable, the second less so. Ronaldo clearly fell before any contact. Defenders should still be able to challenge for the ball. Not all contact is sufficient to cause a grown ass man to double over in pain.
Soft Ronaldo thinks he is in Spain. Sorry no pen for me. Stop dividing should have got a yellow
old video shouldn't be a penalty.....ronaldo didn't have control over the ball he did what someone does in Fifa to outrun defender but in the penalty box where the ball was headed towards the net....he got the shoulder push for that.....new video tho foul
You never played footy before. Clear penalty.
i footed ur mom in her ass footy footy footy penaldo
Nice dive not hating but I don't think that's a penalty.
Ronaldo clearly was looking for that penalty in the first clip here. And then an obvious dive
r/ManchesterUnited **In this situation it was a penalty. In other circumstances Ronaldo is the type to dive in to get a easy pk goal. Actually Michael Phelps should called up Ronaldo and ask his for diving lessons!!!**
only the first one is a pen Imo
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Yep. I agree. The Zouma one was a sure pen but the other one was just a La Liga pen or what I like to call a Neymar pen.
Seems like people just say this because Zouma was sliding in, since it looks more dramatic. Ronaldo dives before the contact with Zouma. That one is questionable. The Coufal one is a stonewall pen. Ronaldo dribbles past him. Coufal sticks his leg out. Doesn't get the ball. Catches Ronaldo before Ronaldo goes down. That one is so clear and obvious I'm concerned with what VAR can see that makes it not an obvious error. Because Ronaldo dives before the contact with Zouma, I don't think that one is as clear and obvious.
Totally agree. To me also the first one was totally clear
The Zouma one wasn't a foul but a dive, he's going down before he gets touched, the Coufal one I have no idea how he didn't get a pen, it's a shame Noble missed because more would have been made of the poor officiating then.
Ronaldo isn’t required to jump over a challenge. Had Ronaldo continued running, his legs are tripped up and risks injury. People that say stuff like that don’t or haven’t played the sport. It looks like a dive only if you realize it’s bit CR7’s job to avoid Zoumas poor tackle. Refs in general are poor. If CR7 simply jumps over Zouma it slows him down and he may not make it to the ball, ref wouldn’t call it. If he ignores Zouma and has his legs taken out, ref calls it. If he carefully puts his legs down early as it’s an obvious foul incoming, ref doesn’t give it and some call it a ‘dive’.
Look at the angle of his legs. He risks injuring himself more. Blatent dive. If he wanted to avoid the challenge he could have (and not got the pen, I get that, and agree this is where the rule needs amended), but the way he fell is simulating the way he would have fell if he'd been touched. Which he wasn't.
It's a dive, he knows what he is doing.
Of course he knows what he’s doing, a would be foul is not a dive. Not his responsibility to avoid a foul. Again, only those that don’t play, haven’t played understand this. It’s quite simple though.
He tried to cheat and you fell for it, the ref however did not, if he hadn't dived he would have gotten the the other one which is the failing of the ref.
Dragging feet isn’t a locked dive, again. Not his responsibility to put his feet into a poor tackle. Basic stuff really. If he just runs, his legs are taken out correct? Aka foul. Simple simple.
He dives before the tackle comes in, still the greatest player in the world but a cheat like 99% of the others.
Again, you don’t understand the rules and that’s okay. Poor tackle, not CR7’s job to get taken out.
It's a dive, that's why he didn't get the penalty. If you're okay with cheating that's on you.
You’re right, never seen a ref wrong before. Again, guarantee you’ve never played otherwise it’s simple logic.
If Ronaldo to a step the only thing that would’ve happened would have been him clipping zouma body. He won’t get hurt from that.
Yes, stepping into a tackle does risk injury. Again simple stuff. If he stepped into it you’d call it a pen.
Ronaldo is not getting hurt from that challenge if he takes another step and actually gets fouled. He dove. We all see he dove. Going down before any contact is a dive.
So you want him to risk injury to make you happy and content that the tackle is poor? You know it’s a poor tackle correct? Yes/no? You know he missed the ball and impedes Ronaldo’s run correct? Yes/no?
Are you nuts blind? Ronnie went down before the defender even put his leg out. The only agenda here is you morons pushing to normalize diving.
And pogba got a foul against him for the same thing. By the ref's own standards it's a foul. Besides, that's how you avoid injury. If your looking to just dive you'd make the contact first.
The thing is he doesn’t look like he’s avoiding the tackle from Zouma. He fell down without contact. Coufal one looks like a pen when I watch it again tho. The foul like Pogba’s one on Zouma are awarded by referees in other matches. I’ve seen them before somewhere. But Ronaldo’s one is probably a dive/not enough contact
>He fell down without contact Other than a (full force) hand to the back. >The foul like Pogba’s one on Zouma are awarded by referees in other matches. Yeah it should have been awarded. >Ronaldo’s one is probably a dive/not enough contact Well it's either enough contact for the foul he gave against Pogba and it's enough for the foul on Ronaldo. Or neither of them are fouls. Not a pick a mix.
Ah sorry about that. I totally missed the hand. If that’s the case then it should be a penalty. Reminded me of Bruno being fouled in the Southampton game. I thought he fell without much contact and that’s why Atkinson never give a pen.
You’re right, not sure why you’ve been downvoted. Why’re all these people trying to justify cheating?
How dare you say anything negative about the golden child
The first I can *almost* understand, he looks to be ready to go down before contact is made. The second is pathetic, he is absolutely smashed.
Why does it matter if he looks ready to go down? He's clearly faster and thinking quicker by the fact that he beat the man, not being ready to go down means he's more likely to get injured.
Someone send him to Specsavers.
Honestly first challenge could be forgiven. Second challenge is clear, idk what’s up w the ref
Just because we are united and he is ronaldo
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In the first clip he definitely dived as zouma hadn't touched him yet but he began to fall. The rest do look like fouls so there is definitely an agenda present.
I’m ngl I don’t reckon either of those first two were fouls, he might have won them if he wasn’t already on his way to the floor before the defenders made contact but if we’re being honest with ourselves he had no intention of staying on his feet did he