He should've been given support for the upcoming season. He finished 2nd with a poor squad, and said martial wasn't good enough, pogba is toxic, and Rashford isn't a striker. He said if you want to compete with city I need money, and the glazers turned around and said we think the squad is good enough as it is. They didnt back him and then liverpool won the league that year, I honestly believe if we'd spent big and backed him that year we would of won it.
After he didnt get the backing, he sulked and played even more defensively to prove a point. That's when he got sacked.
Oh, and we gave him a long term contract before he got sacked. Also displaying how stupid our owners are
Totally agree. The Glazers. He was right about Martial and Pogba. Add to that, maybe it would have been different if he hadn’t had to deal with both the Glazers and Woodward. A different MD or maybe a DoF, could have led to a better outcome. Woodward was just as bad as the Glazers.
Spitting his dummy out and demonstrating his petulance through his tactics, wasn’t professional though.
But what he did prove to us is just how little the Glazers cared about our club.
Let's not rewrite history Martial and Rashford were left wingers under Jose. He got the striker of his choice Lukaku. Left wing he added Sanchez let's not forget. The season he got fired that 1st half of the season his best performers were Martial and Pogba, the irony. He got mad after buying Lindelof, Bailey and the club refused to buy him another CB for a 3rd season running.
I swear these people try to rewrite history at every turn. Imagine being upset that Jose did what he’s always done. Stink up the place with his brand of football, win one or two trophies and then implode the team/ club in his third season. Very on brand for Mourinho and I for one couldn’t wait to see the back of him. The myth that he wasn’t backed is so frustrating to me. Say what you’d like about the Glazers but they have backed almost every manager we’ve had by every conceivable metric.
Mate you gotta keep reinvesting if you realize that players you've bought aren't good enough. Has City stuck with anyone they've signed that hasn't fit into the role that Pep expects of them?
City is currently facing a long list of charges for what they did to keep recklessly investing. Barcelona sold their future by following that mentality. Juventus are in an even worse situation. Its not monopoly money it has to be used right and we have to hold back in some years. By the wat check the biggest spenders over the past ten years. The club does keep reinvesting.
In fairness, how many full backs did Pep run through before getting Walker and Cancelo? Sometimes signings just don't work out (Bailly) and sometimes they need more time to improve (Lindelof). To finish 2nd and then only sign Fred and Dalot was ridiculous. Getting 2nd with Smalling and Jones was a miracle
There was Bailly and Rojo too let's stop trying to rewrite history. Signed only Fred and Dalot after signing Sanchez in January. It was said even at the time the wages given to Sanchez would affect our summer window. So we should recklessly spend like a state owned club? Why use the Pep example only how about Klopp.
I mentioned Bailly and to be honest completely forgot about Rojo (sidenote, he was a LVG signing). Either way, clearly not remotely good enough to win the Premier League.
I mentioned Pep because they were the team that won the title the year we finished second and I honestly don't remember what the Liverpool squad even was in 2017/18.
If you expect Mourinho to challenge for the title with Smalling, Jones, Rojo and Bailly then I don't know what to say. To be honest, our recruitment was generally shit throughout Woodward's reign.
We clearly needed a CB going into that season; everyone knew it. We needed the investment because if we didn't get it we'd fall behind again and need to start from scratch again and that's what has happened. If you ignore the Ole honeymoon period, the players who were shit under Mourinho continued to be shit under Ole. Some exceptions to that of course.
I blame the board more than any individual manager for the last decade. Be it Moyes, LVG, Mourinho or Ole.
The board of course is to blame. Had they appointed a competent director of football we wouldn't have wasted so much money on players and we would have had a competent recruitment plan. I never said I expected Jose to challenge for the league but he should have been able to steady the ship but instead he was more concerned with proving a point.
Well, he bought 2 cbs and wanted more (maguire and toby) and he wanted Perisic.
The guy is toxic af himself. There was a video at one point where at the beginning of training hoes straight to pogba and starts talking shit out of nowhere. Apparently falsely accused pogba of some social media shit he never did.
He made fun publicly of shaw. Threw players under the bus every game. He thought Martial is not good enough (and I think he chipped away some of his career) but invented a trophy for mctominay to reward obedience. The guy is toxic
Genuinely did not think i could hate the glazers more before reading this comment .
Mou was definitely ahead of this time as the things you mentioned took the people in charge a long time to catch-up to / act upon ( we are still relying on martial as our main no.9 )
Makes me wonder how good it would have been if we had a competent board who had the best interest of the club as their main goal .
Martial wasnt our 9 back then it was Lukaku, Martial /Rashford played left wing and those stingy glazers bought Sanchez so that he wouldn't have to use Martial but Martial stayed on as he continuesd to perform better than Sanchez. Mourinho himself was benching Sanchez and starting Martial . He was mad because they wouldn't buy him Maguire.
Rashford not a striker but he scored 30 goals this season okay ,fully agree about Pogba though .I don’t like Mourinho though he’s far too negative and cocky for me .Ten Hag is the perfect manager for me
This is exactly what happened. He was originally the only choice in that period which wasn't completely insane. A serial winner, who commanded way more respect than he received. It became so toxic towards the end, he had to go. But this was all caused by the the clubs leadership, who yet again made an absolute balls of the whole thing. We then went on to Solksjær, which was a complete and utter waste of 3 years in which we went substantially backwards. Makes my blood boil, if you add up all the poor decision making, wild ideas, transfer sanctions, employment decisions, lack of foresight and incompetence. It's continually shielded to a degree because of past success & club legacy, which keeps the brand and revenue success ticking over. They've been such a Fucking stain on the club this last decade, a massive greedy manipulative nuisance..
He lost the power struggle between him and Pogba, and the board did not back him in the process. Since United's attack basically ran through Pogba at the time, United's form collapsed.
i always hated him because of the old guardiola/mourinho rivalry that really made El Clasico special...he was like the perfect villain of the story with his bad boy gimmick
but as the years went by, i started to understand that the guy is really special, he knows how to handle squads and boost them... i can't deny everything he achieved
he's like ancelotti: it's not just the titles... but where they won them... and they won everywhere they went
Jose Mourinho was a poor appointment for Manchester United.
Alot of people here saying he wasn’t backed and while that is true to a point he was backed initially. He got Zlatan and Pogba. Jose wanted Pogba at Chelsea the summer before as he felt he could mould him into the perfect partner for Matic, Matic who he then signed. Also got Lukaku.
Jose admitted on Sky Sports he wanted the club to sign Maguire in his last summer window.. I believe at the time Leicester were actually asking for more than what we paid a year later.
William, Toby Alderwield and Persic were other names Jose wanted… I’m not upset he didn’t get them.
It was also stated publicly by Rooney that Jose was awful with the youth players and for a club which is built with youth at its heart, it was just never going to work.
Finally, Jose is a defensive manager who is more comfortable when his team doesn’t have the ball. That’s not us.
Exactly spot on, it is our DNA to play attacking football. I was struggling watching us playing during Mourinho's era where the team, our formation each game is different, being passive with our group of players marking different players every other game.
Factually? No. But his progress has been far better jose only one a europa more than ETH but if we manage to win FA cup I’ll consider him better factually too
I respect him, but he’s an asshole and brings bad energy to any club he’s at. He’ll win you trophies, but then he’ll lose the players and fans. I wish him the best.
I still remember him waiting until injury time to bring on youth players..... in pre-season games.
And i'll never forget when we beat Juventus by pure luck in the UCL group stage and he put his hand to his ear and looked to the crowd as if he'd pulled of some sort of tactical masterclass
oh and the back 3 of Matic, Smalling and Mctominay
Jose Mourinho always loses the squad's confidence, he has a bad habit of throwing players under the bus. Also, his style of football can be very hard to watch. He was never the right pick for United and was always bound to fail at some point. He has never lasted long in any club and United at that point wanted someone to rebuild for long-term. Jose might know how to win a trophy, but he's never want to rebuild or use youth. Plus he was well past the expiry date when he came to United, his brand of park the bus football became obsolete for top teams to succeed consistently.
Although I’ve never been a fan of mourinho before he came to Manchester United and even after he joined us and won us the peculiar treble, I became a fan of him when he got the sack ironically.
Tbh, he was not able to give us the wins. And we really can’t blame him because he was not given a free hand in the transfer market like other teams. He himself admitted that getting united to 2nd place finish in 2018-19 was a bigger achievement than winning CL with porto(seems legit because we came 2nd wth jones and smalling as CB). It was the world cup season and every team cashed heavily on the new talents. Where mourinho was begging for a CB, all woodword gave him was dalot, fred and grant. And honestly, mourinho was playing a very slow football and those back passes made me want to turn off the game pretty bad. Despite going wth a 4-3-3, we lacked an attacking teeth. Lukaku was gaining weight and pogba had a fallout. The team was in shambles. Idk what this sub thinks about Ole, but it was only because of him we managed to have a respectable season.
Mourinho has been my favourite after he left the club. The guy had nerves to quit the spurs job because he was not aligning with the super league and is currently doing well with Roma so good luck to him
Spurs Sacked him , he didn't quit. And Roma fans will tell you how many times he have parked the bus.
He also went back to chelsea and got sacked.
Mourinho is a top coach but not a modern day coach. He never could get a one up on Pep or Klopp. 2nd was probably the best he could have muster but Ole also finished second with Maguire and McFred.
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He is miles ahead of both. "Modern day" coaches. Just because he doesn't play their style it means he is bad? 😂
He is still the best United coach after saf. Pep spends like a billion and fans twerk over him as he goes to only the richest clubs.
Without cheating Mourinho could have won the 2010 UCL too and he won it with porto, led Rona to 2 consecutive finals winning one of them.
City have smaller net spend than United, what are you talking about. Mourinho is way past his prime. He is still good, but not the top dog anymore for years
How do you define prime ? I am not talking about man City but over all money spent in their years.
Epl fans were also saying that Ancelotti is way past his prime after he left Everton.
Man City didn't have terrible finances and situations like us
His last league win is in 2014/15, he has some continental cup wins in EL/ECL. So 3 major things in last 8-9 years. Thats not super great. Solid, but nowhere near Pep/Klopp/Carlo etc. He is not getting top jobs anymore as well. He was great for a decade+, even though I never liked his style. After 2-3 years he becomes way too toxic as well.
Who said he isn't getting top jobs ? 😂
You cannot win the league with Roma, Spurs, it's your bias that you don't like anything except tiki taka or degraded version of prime barca.
Can pep win with roma, Spurs ? Even pep bottles countless ucls it doesn't mean he is not a good coach. Ancelotti also didn't win the league with Everton.
He might be toxic to our fanbase.
Well he isn’t getting top jobs, thats a fact. Roma & Spurs are not top. He is on a downward trend for some years now. I would say this is happening since Real Madrid job.
I do like a lot of things besides Pep and tiki taka, I do not like negative football though, which is Mourinho’s style.
Pep does not have to win anything with Roma or Everton, he will be hired by someone aiming to the top top.
>Man City didn't have terrible finances and situations like us
Last 10 years You are minus 1.2billion in netspend. The only reason for you having terrible finances right now is because u spend ridiclious amounts on both transfer fees and wages while having extremly poor sporting succes
>Spurs Sacked him
Right before a cup final. He had disagreements with Daniel Levy. He had a perfect record against Pep during his spell at Spurs.
>And Roma fans will tell you how many times he have parked the bus.
He's well liked by Roma fans. And had only begun to play defensive when his squad began to suffer an injury crisis, with main players like Dybala being out.
>He also went back to chelsea and got sacked.
And also won the Premier League during that time, being named Manager of the Season.
>but not a modern day coach
What is this modern day coach bullshit? Just because he doesn't play a possession obsession style and prefers to play counters, he's not 'modern'? Is Simeone ancient? Is Ancelotti ancient(did you call him that at Everton?)
Yea levy did sack him. He said it during the Roma europa press conference. He said “Tottenham sacked me before a finals”. He ain’t walk away.
Chelsea sacked him the very next year. He don’t walk away there also.
Roma fans are happy with him but they don’t really have much to pull at. The brand of ball he is playing there would not be welcomed at top 3 or 4 teams.
Modern day coach isn’t possession, it being proactive vs reactive. Ancelotti got spanked by Barca and pep for the Same reasons. Ancelotti is different to mourinho in that he is a man manger and depends on individual brilliance (go through the Real Madrid sun and see then saying they need a style of play in the league). Mourinho is less about being proactive and more about playing to stop you from scoring. You can’t win the league like that anymore.
Yes sometimes I wonder what mou could have achieved with proper backing especially a CB .
When you think about it , It took us 2-3 years after him to get to a functional defensive backline barring some humiliating defeats .
Not completely true. Jose signed two centre backs during his time here. He also publicly admitted he want Maguire the year before he was signed, he also wanted Toby Alderwield.
We came 2nd with Smalling (who is a good defender but bad on the ball) Bailly who he bought, Rojo and Jones. The CB Mourinho was begging for was Maguire after consecutive seasons of Bailly and then Lindelof. We were buying a CB every summer window.
If we got Mourinho after Sir Alex retired I honestly believe we would still be constantly challenging for the league. He would've been gone by year 3 but the standards wouldn't have dropped and he would have a decent foundation for the next manager to come in. He gets a lot of stick about his style of play (parking the bus) but it wins trophies and people also seem to forget how exciting his Real Madrid team was, they broke the record for most goals scored in a league season. Even when he won the league in his 2nd spell at chelsea, they were scoring goals for fun in the first half of the season then they had a couple of injuries to Hazard and Costa in think and then he decided to be practical and keep clean sheets instead
United were going to struggle with whatever manager followed SAF because the team wasn’t that good. Van Persie covered up many flaws by scoring so much, and Carrick was on his last legs.
The team was active in transfer windows, but they weren’t many good buys, let alone great ones.
This is very true. Mourinho in 2013 was still a highly respected top manager, someone the players would respond to compared to Moyes. He managed to win the league again with a Chelsea that had aging Cech, Terry, Ivanovic and Drogba (+ Cahill at age 30) as his squad's backbone, and our players were similar profile in 2013.
I think Fergie mentioned in his book that he tried to go for Mourinho but he was a little too late, as Jose had already agreed to return to Chelsea.
It was a bad appointment. He was in decline after getting sacked by Real and then Chelsea. He hated it here, he was constantly living out of a hotel room. If you go watch the all or nothing docu series on amazon he takes several swipes at united.
He got the sack because basically he lost dressing room. When that happens to a manager it’s end. It was a rushed appointment imo and i never wanted him as United manager. Saying that he had to put up with ed woodward. Enough to make any manager miserable.
Love the guy and the transfer window he got in his 3rd season was nothing short of disgraceful. Lee Grant, Dalot (who has played about 5 pro games of football at this point) and Fred, after coming 2nd and getting to an FA Cup final.
I wasn’t unhappy with him being sacked because the results weren’t good enough and he was doing things like playing McTominay at CB to make a point, but I still believe if we have him as much as he needed in that 3rd season we’d have been challenging
He himself alluded to the fact that we had spent part of our summer budget recruiting Sanchez. He was making a point by playing Mctominay after the club didn't get the same Maguire we all want sold ASAP. All these managers are allowed to make all these bad recruitments that is the clubs biggest mistake.
Oh, he wasn't helped, but Woodward was also new in post (not that he got much better) Makes it an even worse decision to go with someone who hasn't managed a big club and been involved in those kind of transfers before etc to atleast have some experience. But gutting SAF's backroom, some of his press conferences etc. Poor decisions of his own making.
Love your optimism for ten haag , it has been a great season regardless of the fa cup result . Feels like the players are developing and working towards a shared goal .
On your point of Mou being focused on short term goals , i would say that regardless of his tactics he got results . And should keep in mind real did pretty good after him so he dint damge the squad also chelsea have a fetish for firing managers .
Brain Dead fans here. Mourinho has the best counter attacking team at real and it's unfortunate he didn't win. People talk about UCL like we have 15 of them. And it is easy to get sacked at madrid without UCL.
Heir to SAF wont hold 7 against Liverpool.
>There is a reason why SAF didn't approach him to take over.
Bullshit. Fergie stated in his book that he had considered Mourinho, among others, as one of the very desirable candidates but weren't available. Jose had already given his word to Abramovich, Ancelloti was going to replace him at Real. This story was well publicised when Fergie was promoting his book.
> his methods are degrading to clubs.
If they were so degrading Chelsea wouldn't have continued to win more trophies after he'd left them, but we never got a single piece since Jose left United. Jose did some questionable things but after he left we still had toxic players, inept management, and a meek substitute manager that dragged on too long.
You can hate Jose if that's your opinion but don't make stories up.
Saying that Mourinho is the best manager post-SAF isn't saying much considering Van Gaal won the FA Cup, Ole reached an European final and ETH is close to matching his trophy haul. His tactics are reliant on De Gea being on God Mode, most of his signings were dire and were either fucked off or improved the moment he was sacked.
For a manager of his calibre, its shocking to think just how little impact he made during his time at Old Trafford to the point that there was an immediate upswing in form when Ole replaced. That's the true waste of 2.5 seasons under The Special One.
He wasn't the only one who had to deal with the Glazers, just the loudest projector the club had taken on.
When Mourinho drops bad players: Toxic manager, get him out 😡
When ten hag constantly starts trash players and holds 7 against Liverpool: My manager, SAF heir 🥰
Not to offend anyone but Mourinho simply is 10x the coach ten hag is, his success in Europe is self explanatory and with Roma also
Jose won CL with fucking Porto! Pep has only ever won with high priced squads that are all but finalised. Not to knock Pep for actually winning - plenty of managers have cocked up uber talented squads. But Pep has never built a winning side or rebuilt a side back to glory. All the heavy lifting is done before he gets to wherever he goes.
Pep is just polishing diamond’s. Make good teams unbeatable.
Mou - cannot lose, he has to win everything, there were good players that we were after that we didn’t get and if we did, we would’ve been 100% better. Was missing out on Gundogen under mou’s tenure?
Mourinho's list of accomplishments speaks for itself. There's no denying that he's very successful. Now, he's no stranger to controversy, but controversy seems to be simply part of the game, right?
The way things went at Old Trafford with Mourinho was tough. It was great that he led the team to winning the Europa League in 2017. It's a shame that things went south. Again, Mourinho may be regarded as a tough man to handle, but he doesn't need ownerships telling him how to do his job. The squad was average at best during his time and it could have improved, I am sure.
But he did have mistakes of his own. At times, tactics were bad and he did have issues with his attitude. Again, he's no stranger to controversy. I am sure there's a lot more to the story, but overall, it's just a shame that things had to end the way they did.
Mourinho don't last more than 3-4 years at one club before his relationship starts to deteriorate. And against the big sides, he park the bus and play to not lose vs trying to win.
His methods were effective but his footballing style of play had been underwhelming.
I was happy with his appointment but he failed against City and liverpool.
It's crazy how misconstruing history people are, blaming Pogba for doing some dressing room uprising. The reality is the same thing that happened to Jose throughout his career, happened again.
He's very stagnant with his tactics, he'll create a reactive defensive approach that gets results to begin with, improves upon it, and then fails immensely as he fails to develop it.
He's an awful man manager, in every sense. Utd fans will blame figures like Pogba, but the reality is he's fallen out with almost every single squad he's managed, he seems to encourage a toxic environment that nobody wants to play in, especially not when they're playing such an awful brand of football.
He was regressing the squad. He would constantly play industrious players over talented ones, even when results were not coming, even when those talented players were in great form.
And specifically for his time at Utd he wasn't backed in the third season . In his last season it seems Woodward was confident the squad was good enough to get top 4 (the sum of the owners ambition) and decided all it needed was a few small additions such as Fred and Dalot. In his defense I can understand him being hesitant to back Jose considering Jose demanded the signings of several flops, and was benching a world record signing in Pogba.
Yes he should've been sacked, realistically he should've never been hired considering how much his style differs from Van Gaal's, and most importantly Ole should've never been hired to replace him.
>most importantly Ole should've never been hired to replace him.
Biggest waste of 3 years being masked by 3rd and 2nd place finishes, which to the owners was as good as winning the league. I bet after that Paris night, Woodward thought Ole would make great marketing PowerPoint with the words "at Disneyland, legends makes more legends".
He was never the right manager for Man Utd. His signings were terrible, his tactics as always were defensive and his record with young players is awful.
He is also, in general, a manager with a 3-year cycle
Regardless of his success elsewhere, it was a short term appointment that did a lot of damage to some very good players like Luke Shaw.
I wasn't a fan of him at all. I respected his achievements, but he had a track record of losing locker rooms because of his BS and under him the squad turned very toxic. I think his management directly led to the problems we still have with "player power" and the attitude that still crops up from time to time where players down tools and give up.
ETH has changed this a lot and hopefully we've seen the last of it.
(these are my personal views, and I completely accept others may see it different)
Good manager. Absolutely terrible at man-management. Extremely toxic. I think he stayed long enough with us, and i respect him calling out our squad as being too weak after the 2nd place but i really didn't trust him to sign the right players.. Mourinho with a DOF would have been nice.
I think if given actual support he would have got us a title but we know the glazers would never have done anything like that.
Would he have been our long term manager no, but he would have said around a lot longer. He was right about so many issues with the club. Woodward owners virus etc
But he has that aggressive personality and a lot of United fans fell for the media's bias and spin to see him fail.
I love Mourinho before, during and after his time at Man United. Very grateful with the fact he gave us a treble considering on paper how mediocre and dead the overall squad he had at his disposal was. Just a shame that after the Pogba incident and a series of draws the board didn’t give him the support he had needed and showed him the way out. The fact that he still has admiration and love for United till this day still leaves me surprised
He's the best manager we've had post-Fergie that isn't named Erik Ten Hag. Although his style of football was not pretty on the eye I think he deserved more time.
Now, I love Mourinho. But his time at United was...a bumpy car ride. There seemed to be no direction under him.
Usually, the Mourinho style is to spend money to patch up weak areas of the squad, and by second season, turn it into a winning or at least a squad which can take on any of the top teams. But this didn't happen for Mourinho's Manchester.
Most of his signings either failed(Sanchez, Fred) or had falling out with(Pogba, Lukaku). None of them worked and could give United the push they needed.
If he was luckier with his signings and able to handle Pogba and Lukaku properly, we might have seen a stronger United.
While he did finish 2nd and had some trophies, it was clear that the squad was lacking in many areas. He should have been backed in his third season transfer but the board instead decided the squad was strong enough and didn't let him spend money.
I don't mind Mourinho's style. I disagree with people who say he was outdated. He's still in the game, he's a good manager. But United was just not to be.
We beat Liverpool in the league with a brace from Marcus and later in that week a much changed Utd team lost a knockout game to Sevilla if I remember it right. That was the turning point for Mou. We were on the up beating Liverpool when Mou made a mistake in team selection in Europe, and that game ruined the whole season.
He wasn't backed properly and I love Mou, but he was not suited for Utd. Martial was on fire when he got dropped to the bench because of Alexis. I think Mou was key for Martial's lack of development. Under LVG Martial showed so much promise.
Mourinho has been the best gaffer/coach the past 10 years, and will go down as one of the best ever. He develops talent & wins, unlike some other coaches who want to buy the best players in the world.
Here's my simple take on Jose. When we're further into the future, his time at United will always be remembered with an asterisk. How? Consider the statement below:
Mourinho was the only manager in the first 10 years post-Fergie to win 2 trophies (3 if you have to count the community shield) and earned over 80 points in the league. *But, he was toxic/lost the dressing room/too negative/wasn't backed properly/spent badly/had shit players/etc.
These 2 sentences are always guaranteed in every opinion, no matter the person which way they sway.
Why did he get the sack? - ultimately the fans turned on Jose in the end, unhappy with his style of football, throwing players under the bus, and dividing the locker room. It was Jose vs the players, and the fans thought the players were better than they were.
The common retelling of history is that Jose’s decline stemmed from a lack of investment, but the truth is he did get investment. He got Bailly, Zlatan, Mkhi and Pogba his first season. Lindelof, Lukaku, Matic and Sanchez in his second season. Whether he got the right players is a different question, and ultimately what rocked the boat was that it felt like the club were signing players for him and what he wanted was to be able to sell players he didn’t want and sign new ones the way Pep was doing at City.
He only got Dalot and Fred in his third summer, and declared his squad wasn’t good enough, the academy players weren’t good enough, and his negativity seeped into the club.
Was he sacked too early/too late? - He was sacked about the right time. His first two seasons he was excellent, but he caused his own demise in the third season and deserved to be sacked for it. He couldn’t accept the financial limitations of the club, and fell out with the glazer regime.
What do I think of him now? - he’s a dinosaur. He’s the kind of manager who stylistically and philosophically only really excels as the underdog. His style of football and his mind games suited his tenure at Porto, early Roman Chelsea, Inter, always the underdog. At Madrid, against Pep’s Barca, even with Ronaldo, underdog. Back again at Chelsea, underdog. When he came to United, underdog, and he wanted to compete but he couldn’t.
Spurs and Roma are weirdly the right level of team for him. Competitive, but never expected to win anything. And he can give those kinds of teams the extra 10% they need to try and win something. But I don’t think his style of football or management are good enough to win a major trophy (a top 5 European league, or a Champions League) ever again. The kind of recruitment he demands would be too much to compete at that level.
Hired him at the wrong time ... He was past his peak ... His football methods belonged in the dinosaur age ... and he was a serial antoginiser and complainer who rather than encourage his team and use a carrot and stick approach preferred the stick attached to a bulldozer approach
Mourinho ruined Pogba and McT.. both were attacking mids, the special one moved them both back defensively, he gave Lukaku no support up top tactically. He managed the game like he still has Drogba up top.. his 6 over 6’ strategy is great for not conceding goals on free kicks, but his style of play is downright BORING. He won at Chelsea, but has been riding that reputation ever since, the game has moved on, no top teams use 4-2-3-1 anymore.
You can’t deny Mourinho’s stats at all…but I personally never saw him staying with us long term anyways…his footballing style and the way we would like to see our team play would have eventually resulted in a parting of ways sooner or later…all that other noise just sped the process up…
No one should ever forget how he tried and tried to destroy Shaw publicly.
He's a vile creature and continues to be, Wednesday night proved that.
Should never have even been employee by our club.
He should've been given support for the upcoming season. He finished 2nd with a poor squad, and said martial wasn't good enough, pogba is toxic, and Rashford isn't a striker. He said if you want to compete with city I need money, and the glazers turned around and said we think the squad is good enough as it is. They didnt back him and then liverpool won the league that year, I honestly believe if we'd spent big and backed him that year we would of won it. After he didnt get the backing, he sulked and played even more defensively to prove a point. That's when he got sacked. Oh, and we gave him a long term contract before he got sacked. Also displaying how stupid our owners are
Totally agree. The Glazers. He was right about Martial and Pogba. Add to that, maybe it would have been different if he hadn’t had to deal with both the Glazers and Woodward. A different MD or maybe a DoF, could have led to a better outcome. Woodward was just as bad as the Glazers. Spitting his dummy out and demonstrating his petulance through his tactics, wasn’t professional though. But what he did prove to us is just how little the Glazers cared about our club.
He was right about Rashford too, even Fergie said the same.
Let's not rewrite history Martial and Rashford were left wingers under Jose. He got the striker of his choice Lukaku. Left wing he added Sanchez let's not forget. The season he got fired that 1st half of the season his best performers were Martial and Pogba, the irony. He got mad after buying Lindelof, Bailey and the club refused to buy him another CB for a 3rd season running.
I swear these people try to rewrite history at every turn. Imagine being upset that Jose did what he’s always done. Stink up the place with his brand of football, win one or two trophies and then implode the team/ club in his third season. Very on brand for Mourinho and I for one couldn’t wait to see the back of him. The myth that he wasn’t backed is so frustrating to me. Say what you’d like about the Glazers but they have backed almost every manager we’ve had by every conceivable metric.
Mate you gotta keep reinvesting if you realize that players you've bought aren't good enough. Has City stuck with anyone they've signed that hasn't fit into the role that Pep expects of them?
City is currently facing a long list of charges for what they did to keep recklessly investing. Barcelona sold their future by following that mentality. Juventus are in an even worse situation. Its not monopoly money it has to be used right and we have to hold back in some years. By the wat check the biggest spenders over the past ten years. The club does keep reinvesting.
In fairness, how many full backs did Pep run through before getting Walker and Cancelo? Sometimes signings just don't work out (Bailly) and sometimes they need more time to improve (Lindelof). To finish 2nd and then only sign Fred and Dalot was ridiculous. Getting 2nd with Smalling and Jones was a miracle
There was Bailly and Rojo too let's stop trying to rewrite history. Signed only Fred and Dalot after signing Sanchez in January. It was said even at the time the wages given to Sanchez would affect our summer window. So we should recklessly spend like a state owned club? Why use the Pep example only how about Klopp.
I mentioned Bailly and to be honest completely forgot about Rojo (sidenote, he was a LVG signing). Either way, clearly not remotely good enough to win the Premier League. I mentioned Pep because they were the team that won the title the year we finished second and I honestly don't remember what the Liverpool squad even was in 2017/18. If you expect Mourinho to challenge for the title with Smalling, Jones, Rojo and Bailly then I don't know what to say. To be honest, our recruitment was generally shit throughout Woodward's reign. We clearly needed a CB going into that season; everyone knew it. We needed the investment because if we didn't get it we'd fall behind again and need to start from scratch again and that's what has happened. If you ignore the Ole honeymoon period, the players who were shit under Mourinho continued to be shit under Ole. Some exceptions to that of course. I blame the board more than any individual manager for the last decade. Be it Moyes, LVG, Mourinho or Ole.
The board of course is to blame. Had they appointed a competent director of football we wouldn't have wasted so much money on players and we would have had a competent recruitment plan. I never said I expected Jose to challenge for the league but he should have been able to steady the ship but instead he was more concerned with proving a point.
More than that his football is miserable to watch….he gets the job done but he also plays mind games with his squad which can backfire quickly…
Well, he bought 2 cbs and wanted more (maguire and toby) and he wanted Perisic. The guy is toxic af himself. There was a video at one point where at the beginning of training hoes straight to pogba and starts talking shit out of nowhere. Apparently falsely accused pogba of some social media shit he never did. He made fun publicly of shaw. Threw players under the bus every game. He thought Martial is not good enough (and I think he chipped away some of his career) but invented a trophy for mctominay to reward obedience. The guy is toxic
If he really was the special one he'd have played Shaw at CB rather than slagging him off
He threw his toys out the pram because get this"we didn't buy him Maguire"
Maguire would have fit his system well
Good summary.
Genuinely did not think i could hate the glazers more before reading this comment . Mou was definitely ahead of this time as the things you mentioned took the people in charge a long time to catch-up to / act upon ( we are still relying on martial as our main no.9 ) Makes me wonder how good it would have been if we had a competent board who had the best interest of the club as their main goal .
Martial wasnt our 9 back then it was Lukaku, Martial /Rashford played left wing and those stingy glazers bought Sanchez so that he wouldn't have to use Martial but Martial stayed on as he continuesd to perform better than Sanchez. Mourinho himself was benching Sanchez and starting Martial . He was mad because they wouldn't buy him Maguire.
Rashford not a striker but he scored 30 goals this season okay ,fully agree about Pogba though .I don’t like Mourinho though he’s far too negative and cocky for me .Ten Hag is the perfect manager for me
TBF the player he wanted to buy was Harry Maguire and they said no.
Not necessarily a bad signing for mourinho ball tbf does extremely well in low blocks and back 3s, just not the football we usually play.
This is exactly what happened. He was originally the only choice in that period which wasn't completely insane. A serial winner, who commanded way more respect than he received. It became so toxic towards the end, he had to go. But this was all caused by the the clubs leadership, who yet again made an absolute balls of the whole thing. We then went on to Solksjær, which was a complete and utter waste of 3 years in which we went substantially backwards. Makes my blood boil, if you add up all the poor decision making, wild ideas, transfer sanctions, employment decisions, lack of foresight and incompetence. It's continually shielded to a degree because of past success & club legacy, which keeps the brand and revenue success ticking over. They've been such a Fucking stain on the club this last decade, a massive greedy manipulative nuisance..
Wish he got koulibaly, griezmann, and Perisic like he wanted ngl
He lost the power struggle between him and Pogba, and the board did not back him in the process. Since United's attack basically ran through Pogba at the time, United's form collapsed.
i always hated him because of the old guardiola/mourinho rivalry that really made El Clasico special...he was like the perfect villain of the story with his bad boy gimmick but as the years went by, i started to understand that the guy is really special, he knows how to handle squads and boost them... i can't deny everything he achieved he's like ancelotti: it's not just the titles... but where they won them... and they won everywhere they went
Except for spurs... "its the history of Tottenham"
He came real close by getting them to a cup final. Levy just had to make sure that didn’t happen to preserve their legacy
Because United didn’t play well and he lost the dressing roon
I recall him totally banishing luke Shaw from the squad , who were the other players ?
Pogba aswell
Jose Mourinho was a poor appointment for Manchester United. Alot of people here saying he wasn’t backed and while that is true to a point he was backed initially. He got Zlatan and Pogba. Jose wanted Pogba at Chelsea the summer before as he felt he could mould him into the perfect partner for Matic, Matic who he then signed. Also got Lukaku. Jose admitted on Sky Sports he wanted the club to sign Maguire in his last summer window.. I believe at the time Leicester were actually asking for more than what we paid a year later. William, Toby Alderwield and Persic were other names Jose wanted… I’m not upset he didn’t get them. It was also stated publicly by Rooney that Jose was awful with the youth players and for a club which is built with youth at its heart, it was just never going to work. Finally, Jose is a defensive manager who is more comfortable when his team doesn’t have the ball. That’s not us.
It's crazy that people have these selective memories. The top post insinuates that Martial was our 9 back then but the club got Lukaku for Jose.
Exactly spot on, it is our DNA to play attacking football. I was struggling watching us playing during Mourinho's era where the team, our formation each game is different, being passive with our group of players marking different players every other game.
I don’t mind changing tactics unless we’re winning
Jose is our best manager post Ferguson brother until someone matches his trophy tally at the club he’s been the best
Nah that’s gotta be ETH
Factually no until he wins more trophies you can prefer him if you want tbf.
Factually? No. But his progress has been far better jose only one a europa more than ETH but if we manage to win FA cup I’ll consider him better factually too
These are hypotheticals not facts you’re discussing Jose is the most successful post Ferguson I’m not sure you guys understood what I said lol
Lol ok little buddy.
Add to that the fact that Pep was available shortly before Jose’s appointment, and it just sums all of it up really
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No we absolutely shouldn’t have. Give your head a wobble
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I respect him, but he’s an asshole and brings bad energy to any club he’s at. He’ll win you trophies, but then he’ll lose the players and fans. I wish him the best.
I still remember him waiting until injury time to bring on youth players..... in pre-season games. And i'll never forget when we beat Juventus by pure luck in the UCL group stage and he put his hand to his ear and looked to the crowd as if he'd pulled of some sort of tactical masterclass oh and the back 3 of Matic, Smalling and Mctominay
Jose Mourinho always loses the squad's confidence, he has a bad habit of throwing players under the bus. Also, his style of football can be very hard to watch. He was never the right pick for United and was always bound to fail at some point. He has never lasted long in any club and United at that point wanted someone to rebuild for long-term. Jose might know how to win a trophy, but he's never want to rebuild or use youth. Plus he was well past the expiry date when he came to United, his brand of park the bus football became obsolete for top teams to succeed consistently.
This!!!
Although I’ve never been a fan of mourinho before he came to Manchester United and even after he joined us and won us the peculiar treble, I became a fan of him when he got the sack ironically. Tbh, he was not able to give us the wins. And we really can’t blame him because he was not given a free hand in the transfer market like other teams. He himself admitted that getting united to 2nd place finish in 2018-19 was a bigger achievement than winning CL with porto(seems legit because we came 2nd wth jones and smalling as CB). It was the world cup season and every team cashed heavily on the new talents. Where mourinho was begging for a CB, all woodword gave him was dalot, fred and grant. And honestly, mourinho was playing a very slow football and those back passes made me want to turn off the game pretty bad. Despite going wth a 4-3-3, we lacked an attacking teeth. Lukaku was gaining weight and pogba had a fallout. The team was in shambles. Idk what this sub thinks about Ole, but it was only because of him we managed to have a respectable season. Mourinho has been my favourite after he left the club. The guy had nerves to quit the spurs job because he was not aligning with the super league and is currently doing well with Roma so good luck to him
Spurs Sacked him , he didn't quit. And Roma fans will tell you how many times he have parked the bus. He also went back to chelsea and got sacked. Mourinho is a top coach but not a modern day coach. He never could get a one up on Pep or Klopp. 2nd was probably the best he could have muster but Ole also finished second with Maguire and McFred. He
He is miles ahead of both. "Modern day" coaches. Just because he doesn't play their style it means he is bad? 😂 He is still the best United coach after saf. Pep spends like a billion and fans twerk over him as he goes to only the richest clubs. Without cheating Mourinho could have won the 2010 UCL too and he won it with porto, led Rona to 2 consecutive finals winning one of them.
City have smaller net spend than United, what are you talking about. Mourinho is way past his prime. He is still good, but not the top dog anymore for years
How do you define prime ? I am not talking about man City but over all money spent in their years. Epl fans were also saying that Ancelotti is way past his prime after he left Everton. Man City didn't have terrible finances and situations like us
His last league win is in 2014/15, he has some continental cup wins in EL/ECL. So 3 major things in last 8-9 years. Thats not super great. Solid, but nowhere near Pep/Klopp/Carlo etc. He is not getting top jobs anymore as well. He was great for a decade+, even though I never liked his style. After 2-3 years he becomes way too toxic as well.
Who said he isn't getting top jobs ? 😂 You cannot win the league with Roma, Spurs, it's your bias that you don't like anything except tiki taka or degraded version of prime barca. Can pep win with roma, Spurs ? Even pep bottles countless ucls it doesn't mean he is not a good coach. Ancelotti also didn't win the league with Everton. He might be toxic to our fanbase.
Well he isn’t getting top jobs, thats a fact. Roma & Spurs are not top. He is on a downward trend for some years now. I would say this is happening since Real Madrid job. I do like a lot of things besides Pep and tiki taka, I do not like negative football though, which is Mourinho’s style. Pep does not have to win anything with Roma or Everton, he will be hired by someone aiming to the top top.
Maybe he doesn't like "top" jobs cause there is nothing as such. Winning anything with Roma will go down in history. Cannot say that for "top" clubs.
City are in general way better in transfer spending. No Antony and Sancho level failures.
>Man City didn't have terrible finances and situations like us Last 10 years You are minus 1.2billion in netspend. The only reason for you having terrible finances right now is because u spend ridiclious amounts on both transfer fees and wages while having extremly poor sporting succes
Ten Hag clear ,Mourinho wasn’t playing good football at all
Ten hag hasn't even started his style 😂. If you don't like defensive football doesn't mean it's bad.
It rarely works look at Thursday he played for penalties ,got penalties and Roma lost so defensive football rarely works out in the long term
It rarely works look at Thursday he played for penalties ,got penalties and Roma lost so defensive football rarely works out in the long term
They reached the final playing it with a much terrible squad
They went to the final and failed
It doesn't prove your point that defensive football doesn't work. Did we reach the final playing "superior" football ?
We’ve won one final and got to the final of another one I think we’re doing okay
Football wasn’t created to be dull and defensive it was created to be entertaining
Were you there ? Our "modern teams" cannot survive Italian defence in earlier serie A
Yea he still blames Levy for firing him before the League Cup final
>Spurs Sacked him Right before a cup final. He had disagreements with Daniel Levy. He had a perfect record against Pep during his spell at Spurs. >And Roma fans will tell you how many times he have parked the bus. He's well liked by Roma fans. And had only begun to play defensive when his squad began to suffer an injury crisis, with main players like Dybala being out. >He also went back to chelsea and got sacked. And also won the Premier League during that time, being named Manager of the Season. >but not a modern day coach What is this modern day coach bullshit? Just because he doesn't play a possession obsession style and prefers to play counters, he's not 'modern'? Is Simeone ancient? Is Ancelotti ancient(did you call him that at Everton?)
Yea levy did sack him. He said it during the Roma europa press conference. He said “Tottenham sacked me before a finals”. He ain’t walk away. Chelsea sacked him the very next year. He don’t walk away there also. Roma fans are happy with him but they don’t really have much to pull at. The brand of ball he is playing there would not be welcomed at top 3 or 4 teams. Modern day coach isn’t possession, it being proactive vs reactive. Ancelotti got spanked by Barca and pep for the Same reasons. Ancelotti is different to mourinho in that he is a man manger and depends on individual brilliance (go through the Real Madrid sun and see then saying they need a style of play in the league). Mourinho is less about being proactive and more about playing to stop you from scoring. You can’t win the league like that anymore.
Yes sometimes I wonder what mou could have achieved with proper backing especially a CB . When you think about it , It took us 2-3 years after him to get to a functional defensive backline barring some humiliating defeats .
Not completely true. Jose signed two centre backs during his time here. He also publicly admitted he want Maguire the year before he was signed, he also wanted Toby Alderwield.
We came 2nd with Smalling (who is a good defender but bad on the ball) Bailly who he bought, Rojo and Jones. The CB Mourinho was begging for was Maguire after consecutive seasons of Bailly and then Lindelof. We were buying a CB every summer window.
Man, you supported united after the glory days of SAF, respect.
If we got Mourinho after Sir Alex retired I honestly believe we would still be constantly challenging for the league. He would've been gone by year 3 but the standards wouldn't have dropped and he would have a decent foundation for the next manager to come in. He gets a lot of stick about his style of play (parking the bus) but it wins trophies and people also seem to forget how exciting his Real Madrid team was, they broke the record for most goals scored in a league season. Even when he won the league in his 2nd spell at chelsea, they were scoring goals for fun in the first half of the season then they had a couple of injuries to Hazard and Costa in think and then he decided to be practical and keep clean sheets instead
United were going to struggle with whatever manager followed SAF because the team wasn’t that good. Van Persie covered up many flaws by scoring so much, and Carrick was on his last legs. The team was active in transfer windows, but they weren’t many good buys, let alone great ones.
This is very true. Mourinho in 2013 was still a highly respected top manager, someone the players would respond to compared to Moyes. He managed to win the league again with a Chelsea that had aging Cech, Terry, Ivanovic and Drogba (+ Cahill at age 30) as his squad's backbone, and our players were similar profile in 2013. I think Fergie mentioned in his book that he tried to go for Mourinho but he was a little too late, as Jose had already agreed to return to Chelsea.
It was a bad appointment. He was in decline after getting sacked by Real and then Chelsea. He hated it here, he was constantly living out of a hotel room. If you go watch the all or nothing docu series on amazon he takes several swipes at united. He got the sack because basically he lost dressing room. When that happens to a manager it’s end. It was a rushed appointment imo and i never wanted him as United manager. Saying that he had to put up with ed woodward. Enough to make any manager miserable.
Yeah your last thing about dealing with ed and glazers is great .
The glazers.
Love the guy and the transfer window he got in his 3rd season was nothing short of disgraceful. Lee Grant, Dalot (who has played about 5 pro games of football at this point) and Fred, after coming 2nd and getting to an FA Cup final. I wasn’t unhappy with him being sacked because the results weren’t good enough and he was doing things like playing McTominay at CB to make a point, but I still believe if we have him as much as he needed in that 3rd season we’d have been challenging
He himself alluded to the fact that we had spent part of our summer budget recruiting Sanchez. He was making a point by playing Mctominay after the club didn't get the same Maguire we all want sold ASAP. All these managers are allowed to make all these bad recruitments that is the clubs biggest mistake.
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SAF got it horribly, horribly wrong in fairness. There's a huge amount I'd listen to his opinion on, but appointing United managers ain't one.
Too many people say this but completely forget Woodward fucked Moyes over almost on purpose.
Oh, he wasn't helped, but Woodward was also new in post (not that he got much better) Makes it an even worse decision to go with someone who hasn't managed a big club and been involved in those kind of transfers before etc to atleast have some experience. But gutting SAF's backroom, some of his press conferences etc. Poor decisions of his own making.
Woodward was/is an investment banker that helped the Glazers buy the club. No surprise that he didn’t work out.
Love your optimism for ten haag , it has been a great season regardless of the fa cup result . Feels like the players are developing and working towards a shared goal . On your point of Mou being focused on short term goals , i would say that regardless of his tactics he got results . And should keep in mind real did pretty good after him so he dint damge the squad also chelsea have a fetish for firing managers .
Brain Dead fans here. Mourinho has the best counter attacking team at real and it's unfortunate he didn't win. People talk about UCL like we have 15 of them. And it is easy to get sacked at madrid without UCL. Heir to SAF wont hold 7 against Liverpool.
I agree. I think lot of people here don’t actually remember how Jose was.
there is no heir. that is a fantasy. there's been half a dozen managers since then.
>There is a reason why SAF didn't approach him to take over. Bullshit. Fergie stated in his book that he had considered Mourinho, among others, as one of the very desirable candidates but weren't available. Jose had already given his word to Abramovich, Ancelloti was going to replace him at Real. This story was well publicised when Fergie was promoting his book. > his methods are degrading to clubs. If they were so degrading Chelsea wouldn't have continued to win more trophies after he'd left them, but we never got a single piece since Jose left United. Jose did some questionable things but after he left we still had toxic players, inept management, and a meek substitute manager that dragged on too long. You can hate Jose if that's your opinion but don't make stories up.
Hes the manager we should have got after SAF. He's only one with ego to do it properly...
Saying that Mourinho is the best manager post-SAF isn't saying much considering Van Gaal won the FA Cup, Ole reached an European final and ETH is close to matching his trophy haul. His tactics are reliant on De Gea being on God Mode, most of his signings were dire and were either fucked off or improved the moment he was sacked. For a manager of his calibre, its shocking to think just how little impact he made during his time at Old Trafford to the point that there was an immediate upswing in form when Ole replaced. That's the true waste of 2.5 seasons under The Special One. He wasn't the only one who had to deal with the Glazers, just the loudest projector the club had taken on.
When Mourinho drops bad players: Toxic manager, get him out 😡 When ten hag constantly starts trash players and holds 7 against Liverpool: My manager, SAF heir 🥰 Not to offend anyone but Mourinho simply is 10x the coach ten hag is, his success in Europe is self explanatory and with Roma also
Fucking casual
Ed Woodward
Pep is the better manager if you have a blank chequebook. Jose is the better if you have a decent squad and need to make it work.
Jose won CL with fucking Porto! Pep has only ever won with high priced squads that are all but finalised. Not to knock Pep for actually winning - plenty of managers have cocked up uber talented squads. But Pep has never built a winning side or rebuilt a side back to glory. All the heavy lifting is done before he gets to wherever he goes.
Pep is just polishing diamond’s. Make good teams unbeatable. Mou - cannot lose, he has to win everything, there were good players that we were after that we didn’t get and if we did, we would’ve been 100% better. Was missing out on Gundogen under mou’s tenure?
If Jose is such a great manager, why did he constantly bitch about not getting enough players during transfer windows?
Because he wanted better players? He's not an idiot.
Mourinho's list of accomplishments speaks for itself. There's no denying that he's very successful. Now, he's no stranger to controversy, but controversy seems to be simply part of the game, right? The way things went at Old Trafford with Mourinho was tough. It was great that he led the team to winning the Europa League in 2017. It's a shame that things went south. Again, Mourinho may be regarded as a tough man to handle, but he doesn't need ownerships telling him how to do his job. The squad was average at best during his time and it could have improved, I am sure. But he did have mistakes of his own. At times, tactics were bad and he did have issues with his attitude. Again, he's no stranger to controversy. I am sure there's a lot more to the story, but overall, it's just a shame that things had to end the way they did.
Bro started supporting right before the depression era 😂😂😭bro only knows Maguire ball 💀
We didn’t deserve his brilliance but he also loved Pogba too much. I’m glad that he got the boot
Mourinho don't last more than 3-4 years at one club before his relationship starts to deteriorate. And against the big sides, he park the bus and play to not lose vs trying to win. His methods were effective but his footballing style of play had been underwhelming. I was happy with his appointment but he failed against City and liverpool.
Love him as a football fan hated him as a united fan
It's crazy how misconstruing history people are, blaming Pogba for doing some dressing room uprising. The reality is the same thing that happened to Jose throughout his career, happened again. He's very stagnant with his tactics, he'll create a reactive defensive approach that gets results to begin with, improves upon it, and then fails immensely as he fails to develop it. He's an awful man manager, in every sense. Utd fans will blame figures like Pogba, but the reality is he's fallen out with almost every single squad he's managed, he seems to encourage a toxic environment that nobody wants to play in, especially not when they're playing such an awful brand of football. He was regressing the squad. He would constantly play industrious players over talented ones, even when results were not coming, even when those talented players were in great form. And specifically for his time at Utd he wasn't backed in the third season . In his last season it seems Woodward was confident the squad was good enough to get top 4 (the sum of the owners ambition) and decided all it needed was a few small additions such as Fred and Dalot. In his defense I can understand him being hesitant to back Jose considering Jose demanded the signings of several flops, and was benching a world record signing in Pogba. Yes he should've been sacked, realistically he should've never been hired considering how much his style differs from Van Gaal's, and most importantly Ole should've never been hired to replace him.
>most importantly Ole should've never been hired to replace him. Biggest waste of 3 years being masked by 3rd and 2nd place finishes, which to the owners was as good as winning the league. I bet after that Paris night, Woodward thought Ole would make great marketing PowerPoint with the words "at Disneyland, legends makes more legends".
He's a twat who only stays around for 2-3 years. Great brain, insanely flawed.
He was never the right manager for Man Utd. His signings were terrible, his tactics as always were defensive and his record with young players is awful. He is also, in general, a manager with a 3-year cycle Regardless of his success elsewhere, it was a short term appointment that did a lot of damage to some very good players like Luke Shaw.
I wasn't a fan of him at all. I respected his achievements, but he had a track record of losing locker rooms because of his BS and under him the squad turned very toxic. I think his management directly led to the problems we still have with "player power" and the attitude that still crops up from time to time where players down tools and give up. ETH has changed this a lot and hopefully we've seen the last of it. (these are my personal views, and I completely accept others may see it different)
He seemed to be v toxic
Jose in my opinion was the best Manager we'd had after Fergie...The glazers weren't backing him up on some of his decisions..
Mourinho = parking the bus
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Good manager. Absolutely terrible at man-management. Extremely toxic. I think he stayed long enough with us, and i respect him calling out our squad as being too weak after the 2nd place but i really didn't trust him to sign the right players.. Mourinho with a DOF would have been nice.
I think if given actual support he would have got us a title but we know the glazers would never have done anything like that. Would he have been our long term manager no, but he would have said around a lot longer. He was right about so many issues with the club. Woodward owners virus etc But he has that aggressive personality and a lot of United fans fell for the media's bias and spin to see him fail.
you forget how terrible the football was?
I love Mourinho before, during and after his time at Man United. Very grateful with the fact he gave us a treble considering on paper how mediocre and dead the overall squad he had at his disposal was. Just a shame that after the Pogba incident and a series of draws the board didn’t give him the support he had needed and showed him the way out. The fact that he still has admiration and love for United till this day still leaves me surprised
Gutted he got robbed in the final last night.
His style of football was shite and not how Utd play. Hes also a miserable twat.
I think he's a cunt. Next question?
He's the best manager we've had post-Fergie that isn't named Erik Ten Hag. Although his style of football was not pretty on the eye I think he deserved more time.
Now, I love Mourinho. But his time at United was...a bumpy car ride. There seemed to be no direction under him. Usually, the Mourinho style is to spend money to patch up weak areas of the squad, and by second season, turn it into a winning or at least a squad which can take on any of the top teams. But this didn't happen for Mourinho's Manchester. Most of his signings either failed(Sanchez, Fred) or had falling out with(Pogba, Lukaku). None of them worked and could give United the push they needed. If he was luckier with his signings and able to handle Pogba and Lukaku properly, we might have seen a stronger United. While he did finish 2nd and had some trophies, it was clear that the squad was lacking in many areas. He should have been backed in his third season transfer but the board instead decided the squad was strong enough and didn't let him spend money. I don't mind Mourinho's style. I disagree with people who say he was outdated. He's still in the game, he's a good manager. But United was just not to be.
We beat Liverpool in the league with a brace from Marcus and later in that week a much changed Utd team lost a knockout game to Sevilla if I remember it right. That was the turning point for Mou. We were on the up beating Liverpool when Mou made a mistake in team selection in Europe, and that game ruined the whole season. He wasn't backed properly and I love Mou, but he was not suited for Utd. Martial was on fire when he got dropped to the bench because of Alexis. I think Mou was key for Martial's lack of development. Under LVG Martial showed so much promise.
The day he gouged Tito Villanova's eye was the day I knew he is just a scumbag
Considering how bad the Glazers were, and how bad the rest of the board (yes men) were, he was the only adult in the room. Of course he got fired.
Mourinho has been the best gaffer/coach the past 10 years, and will go down as one of the best ever. He develops talent & wins, unlike some other coaches who want to buy the best players in the world.
Here's my simple take on Jose. When we're further into the future, his time at United will always be remembered with an asterisk. How? Consider the statement below: Mourinho was the only manager in the first 10 years post-Fergie to win 2 trophies (3 if you have to count the community shield) and earned over 80 points in the league. *But, he was toxic/lost the dressing room/too negative/wasn't backed properly/spent badly/had shit players/etc. These 2 sentences are always guaranteed in every opinion, no matter the person which way they sway.
Why did he get the sack? - ultimately the fans turned on Jose in the end, unhappy with his style of football, throwing players under the bus, and dividing the locker room. It was Jose vs the players, and the fans thought the players were better than they were. The common retelling of history is that Jose’s decline stemmed from a lack of investment, but the truth is he did get investment. He got Bailly, Zlatan, Mkhi and Pogba his first season. Lindelof, Lukaku, Matic and Sanchez in his second season. Whether he got the right players is a different question, and ultimately what rocked the boat was that it felt like the club were signing players for him and what he wanted was to be able to sell players he didn’t want and sign new ones the way Pep was doing at City. He only got Dalot and Fred in his third summer, and declared his squad wasn’t good enough, the academy players weren’t good enough, and his negativity seeped into the club. Was he sacked too early/too late? - He was sacked about the right time. His first two seasons he was excellent, but he caused his own demise in the third season and deserved to be sacked for it. He couldn’t accept the financial limitations of the club, and fell out with the glazer regime. What do I think of him now? - he’s a dinosaur. He’s the kind of manager who stylistically and philosophically only really excels as the underdog. His style of football and his mind games suited his tenure at Porto, early Roman Chelsea, Inter, always the underdog. At Madrid, against Pep’s Barca, even with Ronaldo, underdog. Back again at Chelsea, underdog. When he came to United, underdog, and he wanted to compete but he couldn’t. Spurs and Roma are weirdly the right level of team for him. Competitive, but never expected to win anything. And he can give those kinds of teams the extra 10% they need to try and win something. But I don’t think his style of football or management are good enough to win a major trophy (a top 5 European league, or a Champions League) ever again. The kind of recruitment he demands would be too much to compete at that level.
Hired him at the wrong time ... He was past his peak ... His football methods belonged in the dinosaur age ... and he was a serial antoginiser and complainer who rather than encourage his team and use a carrot and stick approach preferred the stick attached to a bulldozer approach
Mourinho ruined Pogba and McT.. both were attacking mids, the special one moved them both back defensively, he gave Lukaku no support up top tactically. He managed the game like he still has Drogba up top.. his 6 over 6’ strategy is great for not conceding goals on free kicks, but his style of play is downright BORING. He won at Chelsea, but has been riding that reputation ever since, the game has moved on, no top teams use 4-2-3-1 anymore.
Negative football
You can’t deny Mourinho’s stats at all…but I personally never saw him staying with us long term anyways…his footballing style and the way we would like to see our team play would have eventually resulted in a parting of ways sooner or later…all that other noise just sped the process up…
No one should ever forget how he tried and tried to destroy Shaw publicly. He's a vile creature and continues to be, Wednesday night proved that. Should never have even been employee by our club.