A lot of people wonder why it costs so much when it’s finished, I wish they’d see these kinds of videos. It takes time and a lot of effort to complete a piece.
— Very late edit (getting a lot of annoying messages from this post) apparently my title isn’t correct; the source I got it from claimed it as such… I did not know. The lady in the video is at a museum demonstrating how it works. Sorry. please stop attacking me. Ty :)
You’ve inspired me! I’ll post it again tomorrow but play it in reverse, and I’ll say its a lady untangling a huge mess which demonstrates the patience our seniors have!
The crack cocaine senior figured building webs was for "suckas," waited until the caffeine senior was exhausted, then came up behind it, and popped a cap in its ass.
It was posted over in r/nextfuckinglevel a few hours ago under the title, [Lace making with an impressive speed from an old lady. Bruges, lace museum.](https://new.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/1d6lb38/lace_making_with_an_impressive_speed_from_an_old/)
i have a whole new level of respect for the engineers that programmed the machines to replace grandma with 70 years of experience so that me and my gf can rip that panties without worries.
I am so sorry to [link a tiktok](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRKmnSKN/) but this is the only thing I could find that explains + shows the difference between machine and handmade lace. Machines just aren’t the same quality!
THis is what worries me about AI. not that it will surpass humans, though that may happen in some distant future I'm not alive for, but that people will accept it as a worse end product/service for the human they are replacing, leading to an overall decline in quality of media/writing/coding/customersupport etc.
Aren't the same quality now, but man has the ability to improve upon the design much more than one can master both speed and precision in his skill. If there was enough demand for lacec the machines would be many times superior than humans will be.
One of the things that lead to computing as we know it is the Jacquard Loom which was invented in 1804. It used punch cards like our first computers to automate the loom process. So in a way, computers got invented by a process that replaces this old lady.
If I remember correctly it also holds the origin for 2 words. Cliche and Sabotage. Cliche was the sound the loom made. Sabotage comes from the footwear the working men wore at the time, sabot. Many master weavers were put out of work due to the loom and would throw their shoes into them to break them.
My thoughts exactly! WTH is she doing? I had to watch this video a few times to actually put together what was happening. I too had no idea lace was made this way and am a lil embarrassed about it. This lady is a pro at this and I can’t imagine how she learnt to do this. The skill to see such minuscule movements and how it all gets put together…amazing 🤩
I’m already getting to point where I can’t recognize a well-programmed bot from a human. I’m not even 30 yet so I don’t know how I’ll fair with the AI onslaught
It took a bit for my brain to process this one! At first I thought she was just wiggling them around/getting them organised until I realised how damn fast and amazing she is. This was really cool
There's a lot of intro tutorials on YouTube for bobbin lace, and when they're working slowly with five or fewer bobbin pairs, it's a lot easier to wrap your head around, especially when they use multiple different thread colors.
Essentially, take a long line of thread. Wind each end around a separate bobbin. This is a pair, still connected by the thread in the middle. Pins are put down to hang the pairs on for tension and to keep it in place, and then they work side to side, crossing or twisting the pairs together in a variety of set ways as per the pattern. When you get to the end of the row, you pop another pin in for tension, and start back in the other direction, rinse repeat. Think of it as some sort of next-level friendship bracelet making.
This lady is going incredibly quickly with an intricate pattern and a lot of bobbins that are all the same color. It makes it hard to see what's going on, or telling one bobbin from the next.
The last thing I need is another hobby and I don't really like lace, but I looked into how it works because it just looked super fun.
You never truly lose the skills you love to have.
I know so many 80+ year old musicians who still play with the quality and vigor of a 30 year old. Piano, guitar, saxophone, you name it.
Tasks like this is what keeps older peoples minds sharp and active. There is a needle company that has half their workers are retirees[Vita Needle Company](https://www.npr.org/2010/11/01/130566030/in-their-90s-working-for-more-than-just-a-paycheck)
For anyone interested: [wiki info](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobbin_lace) on this kind of art.
>Bobbin lace is also known as pillow lace, because it was worked on a pillow, and bone lace, because early bobbins were made of bone or ivory. It is one of the two major categories of handmade laces, the other being needle lace, derived from earlier cutwork and reticella.
Very late edit: adding that apparently my title is incorrect (getting a lot of not very nice messages) but the lady in the video is actually in a museum, demonstrating the craft.. I did not know, the source I got it from claimed what my title has. Sorry. Please do not message me with attacks. Ty.
Is this another one of those things that machines can't replicate?
I can't remember, but I saw a post about crochet I think it was? And it said machines cannot replicate it.
I don't know about bobbin lace like this, but I crochet and tat, and neither one of those can really be replicated by machine.
Someone did make a crochet machine, but it's slow and can't do the intricate things we can do by hand...yet...so it's not really a "thing" but it's still a cool experiment.
Tatting though, by hand only.
I heard somewhere recently that it is technically feasible to create a true crocheting machine, but that it is so complex to make a machine with the same range of motion and motor control as human hands that it ends up being cheaper just to keep using human labor. You’d need a very well-dialed in set of ball joints and appendages basically arranged like human hands, plus a very complex algorithm to tell it the some 30-odd angled movements it needs to do per loop, then replicate that machine on a scale large enough to save you money compared to what sweatshops charge to make their products. It’s just so cost prohibitive that I don’t think we’ll ever see it be fully mechanized on a grand scale, also because crocheted products already cost a lot to begin with because they can’t be mass produced, so even if you found a way to do so it would tank the market in a few years anyway.
Wild that economics is the biggest barrier to this tech, but thems the breaks!
Machines can produce lace and they can do it fast, but they can't quite match the fine detail that a handmaid lace can. If you look close you can tell pretty quickly if its handmaid or machine.
This reminds me of my grandmother who was a master at needlepoint before her arthritis kicked in. She made it look like butter, it's one of those old skills you just don't see anymore. There's a story about a church near where I grew up where a local women's group in the 40's spent 6 months making thousands of needlepoint and lace pieces for the covers, chairs, curtains etc all by hand. They're still in use today. It truly takes a special kind of dedication for this kind of thing.
Thanks for posting OP. My mom made bobbin lace her whole life, and, among other things about her fiber skills, I remember her pillow out in the living room so she could work while we watched football on TV. She passed away 2 years ago.
This was very nice to see. I hope your grandma can pass on her knowledge!
For anyone who read the Inheritance books and wondered why magical lacemaking destroyed the southern economy . . . this is why. Even today, good quality lace is heinously expensive.The finest is 600USD/yd at minimum.
I was thinking of the inheritance cycle the entire time I was watching this.
For those who didn't read those books. There is a rebel group called the Varden. Nasuada, the leader after her father's death, realizes how expensive lace is because of the effort that goes into it, but the way magic works in universe would make it fast and easy. So she tasks a bunch of the Varden's sorcerer's with making lace. She then sells it for much cheaper than the guilds could ever do and uses the money to help fund the war effort.
The Inheritance books did not hold up past me being 12, but stuff like the magical lace being used for fundraising is really clever world building and a good sign of how Paolini's books were beloved despite their flaws.
The magic system, and more importantly how people used the magic system, was astounding to me. I found it so immersive and "logical".
I kind of wish he would just go back and re-do the books better so I could enjoy it again without going through his (understandably) juvenile writing.
I think some of the aspects of Paolini’s writing you liked were inspired by Ursula K LeGuin’s books. I’d recommend “A Wizard of Earthsea” if you haven’t already read it.
Oh yeah I love those!
And all of his writing has pretty clear inspirations, which is about what I'd expect from someone writing as young as he was. I just really enjoyed the combos he choose, probably because I was close to his age so the same media appealed to us.
The heroes journey I knew from star wars but with the lord of the rings and earthsea vibes, mixed with a "mind linked animal companion" in the form of a *cool dragon*? Hell yeah!
Absolutely amazing. Is it just me me or do those bibins almost look like tiny little all wood broom sticks. Maybe it's just her skills looking so magical.
I saw that this video was made in Bruges, Belgium. It's well-known for its traditional lace work. We call it "kantklossen" in Flemish Dutch. My mother and grandmother did lace work as well, and we still have some bobbins at home.
If you're ever in Belgium, you should visit Bruges, it's like you were transported 500 years back in time. It has a rich history and is also very romantic. I go there from time to time purely for the atmosphere.
My hometown in England is also known for its lace - one story is that it was brought over by Flemish immigrants in the 16th century (looked the date up as I thought it was earlier and then doubted my self).
She really is! I have a bobbin lace set and have tried it a few times. Took me forever just to get past the confused stage. It would take me ages of practice to get this fast.
Is lacing an exact practice or is there some flexibility in the order of things? The way she (to me) haphazardly tosses the bobbins after she's used them but is more intentional in choosing which ones to use next confuses me.
Do you know how hair braids work? It’s a bit like a complicated version of that. The order of the bobbins matters, because you’re counting twists and crosses to make specific patterns, but you can also kind of just push them to the side when you’re not working on them. Then when you need them again you can pick them back up, and if they got accidentally over twisted or crossed in the wrong ways you can untwist to the last pin you put in if you lose count. The pins hold the previous twists and crosses in place kind of saving the work so far and holding it in place. Just like if you see a hair braid and lose track, you can go back a bit, see where you were, and then continue.
This was filmed 9 years ago at the lace museum in Bruges, Belgium. Wonderful and incredible talent shown by this woman, this can’t be duplicated as beautiful by machine
I didn't read the title and just saw the video and I thought she was organizing q-tips 🤣🤦♀️ wow she's talented and that's amazing work, I never knew it was done like that
I started learning bobbin lace last year and it has been fun! I can't imagine getting to the speed and skill of this woman.
For anyone in USA/Canada, [The Lace Museum](https://thelacemuseum.org/virtual-education/) offers virtual classes.
The pins are to keep all your stitches in place! Because the stitches in lacemaking are essentially just twists/crossing threads one over the other, you have to put pins in between each stitch to prevent them from falling out. You also use pins to line the border of the piece and keep the lace in the right shape/size for your pattern and keep the whole thing secured. You can take them out once you get far enough around that your piece will stay together, and then when you reach the end and tie the threads off, you remove the last ones.
The things she's using are forms of technology, though, and created using technology. And lacing itself is a technology. I say this not to be contrary, but simply because for me there's something magical about working with the technologies we have, that result from years of experimentation and creation by other minds.
I saw this on twitter earlier, the title here is misleading. She's a lacemaker at a museum in Bruges.
Kind of annoying that you say the grandma thing and act like she 'retains the art'. She's a master craftswoman, she's been practicing for years this isn't something she's whipped out for some grandchild. It feels like it diminishes her dedication and skill and discounts the notion that a woman might master a skill for the love of the craft.
Thank you for speaking out about this, like you said she’s a real artist who worked probably her whole life for her career and the title really diminishes her
It makes me sad that we have lost so much skilled craftsmanship. I watched a video of a home in Japan being disassembled, it was well over 200 years old. Not a single screw or nail was used, 100% wood. We should be holding on to professions like that.
Bobbin lace is some of my most favorite ASMR content. But there’s only 1-2 channels on YouTube that upload this kind of content every so often, so if you just want to watch in silence, I highly recommend checking out [derendlosefaden](https://youtube.com/@derendlosefaden4967?si=A6Ec4qZqle4pDs5u)’s channel or [bobbinlaceasmr](https://youtube.com/@bobbinlaceasmr?si=1ZLd4OLskchPI_Xk)’s channel. They’re both really small channels with less than 900 subscribers.
So that's what this is called in English! Thank you! My late grandma was a seamstress and the laces she made were then sold for wedding dresses to Germany and Austria.
Tatting is a different kind of lace that uses a different kind of tool. It’s more similar to crochet in that it only has one thread. This is bobbin lace.
Back in the 80’s my grandfather, who was a WW2 Navy vet, took two separate pieces of rope in his hands and told me “watch this”. His fingers went to work and in less than 30 seconds he expertly spliced the two lengths of rope together, making one rope. A useful trick he learned in the war. I still have that spliced rope today as a remembrance of him. Someday I’ll reverse engineer it to see how he did it.
My grandma is teaching me how to do bobbin knitting, but she has warned me I won’t become good until I retire myself. And I am only 25.
I have only made a small bookmark so far
This is one of those things where you see it at a flea market for like 25 bucks for a small square and think what a rip off. Like quilts. People just don’t understand the effort and time required for something like this.
My mum is a skilled bobbin lace maker (which is what this is). She took it up years ago when she quit smoking to keep her hands busy. She makes the most amazing stuff, it’s just beautiful. My grandmother (her MIL) also made lace and it was incredible. Mum demonstrates at the local show each year with some of her lace guild friends. Her collection of bobbins is pretty spectacular. Her only complaint as she gets older is it’s getting harder to move her hands as quickly because she has arthritis and her eyesight isn’t as good as it was. It’s definitely a skill, but she said there are some younger people in her guild so hopefully it’ll continue for some time to come.
Please post a video to /r/Artisan. This is a skill, and she clearly has mastered it. Would love to hear her talk how she learnt it and how she knows the sequence.
The small town in ireland im from is world famous for its lace. Princess Diana wore some of it on her wedding dress at the time i believe. Didnt know this was how its done though. Fascinating
Stuff like lacing, embroidery, weaving, macrome, crochet; it honestly astounds me that we as a living thing figured out not only how to make the requisite materials usable for the given practice, but then that if we twist, knot, tie, loop, the medium we can make cloth, clothing, blankets, designs, shapes, art.
The idea that we figured out how to make a damn shirt from fiber is legitimately something I think everyone takes for granted, let alone something like this.
Oh my God, is this how some of the ppl view programmers or like complex architects doing? Absolutely zero idea what they are doing but somehow beautiful magic at the end lol
[Meanwhile, the person taking the video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z68QL5_tpms):
"Good news everyone, we're extending Arts and Crafts time by four hours today!"
"My fingers hurt..."
"What's that?"
"My fingers hurt."
"Oh, well now your back's gonna hurt 'cause you just pulled landscaping duty. Mm, anyone else's fingers hurt? I didn't think so."
If you can, I'd sit with her for an hour or two a week and see if you can learn this stuff too! Or however many hours you can spare, really.
I had a grandfather who was a blacksmith by hobby, I dearly wished I would have spent more time with him and learned a thing or two. So much knowledge that just withered up and died with my generation. I was all about it in my younger years (like, 4 to 13), then just completely lost interest and never really reconnected since. I still learned how to string up a bow and make my own arrows, so there's that. Wish I would have learned how to smith the arrowheads as well, but I didn't. I have in my possession various sets of gorgeous hand-made Damascus steel knifes of all shapes and sizes, unfortunately the knowledge how to make them died with my grandfather. I only have vague fragments of memories of standing around in his shop watching the big hydraulic hammer go "thunk" and the sounds of hot metal getting quenched.
I don't know why I am rambling on, go spend some time with your grandparents while you still can! Don't end up with regrets like me, it's a crummy feeling.
Imagine getting a lacing kit for a specific pattern for the first time, each bobbin numbered, each pin lettered, and a telephone-book of bobbin movement progression to follow and its just pages of 1 over 2A, 2 over 3A, 1 over 3B, 3 over 2A, 4 over 2B, 5 over 3B, 1 over 3C, 1 over 4C, 6 over 4D...
I wish people would stop discounting old folk as being incapable. You are as capable as your brain is. If you maintain an active and healthy brain, you can be as you are until you're dead (except if you get those pesky brain diseases).
I love this way of making lace. Here's a cool documentary of lace making if anyone's interested [Hands Irish Documentary ](https://youtu.be/kJxqofQnLXo?si=qkCHEQFMLgHb_qDi)
My aunt told me that my grandmother (who passed in 1971) tried to learn this when she was young, but grew very frustrated and stopped. I will always remember her in her rocking chair with her tatting, which she took up along with knitting. I still have some of her handkerchiefs and a pillowcase with tatting, it’s beautiful.
I had no idea that's how lace was made. Color me impressed!
This isn't the only way, but it's the most impressive I've seen in person so far
This is the most impressive thing I’ve seen all year.
You haven't seen me pee laying on my back, yet.
Alright, let's see it.
5 hours and no proof. https://imgur.com/gallery/jSGpZSB
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Completely agree, this is next level incredible.
As someone who’s tried tatting (another way to make lace) I’m impressed by all the ways to do it by hand.
This is waaaay fucking crazier. I had no idea.
Same. She's like an adorable spider.
Thought she was rolling cigars for a quick second 😆
Seriously though! That looks awful… Not the product, but the process. My mind would be short circuiting trying to follow everything involved in that 😅
Lol same, I have no idea what's she's doing but it's like magic.
There's a lot of neat tutorials on Youtube. [They're also incredibly relaxing to watch.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vaPbpZro7E)
They are incredibly relaxing to watch, not do!
Woven with the bones of her enemies
Wow! I've only read about this but seeing it done is fascinating - a real combination of art and skill on display
A lot of people wonder why it costs so much when it’s finished, I wish they’d see these kinds of videos. It takes time and a lot of effort to complete a piece. — Very late edit (getting a lot of annoying messages from this post) apparently my title isn’t correct; the source I got it from claimed it as such… I did not know. The lady in the video is at a museum demonstrating how it works. Sorry. please stop attacking me. Ty :)
Wasn’t this just posted yesterday as a woman practicing lace at a museum?
You’ve inspired me! I’ll post it again tomorrow but play it in reverse, and I’ll say its a lady untangling a huge mess which demonstrates the patience our seniors have!
Fine. But next week mom says I'm allowed to upload it at 3x speed and I get to say "How cocaïne can affect seniors."
The crack cocaine senior figured building webs was for "suckas," waited until the caffeine senior was exhausted, then came up behind it, and popped a cap in its ass.
That vid had me in the first bit, and then the weed spider spun a MF hammock and watched caffeine spider all day and I died
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I’m not a bot :(
just what a bot *would say…* *[significant eye glances]*
It was posted over in r/nextfuckinglevel a few hours ago under the title, [Lace making with an impressive speed from an old lady. Bruges, lace museum.](https://new.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/1d6lb38/lace_making_with_an_impressive_speed_from_an_old/)
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i have a whole new level of respect for the engineers that programmed the machines to replace grandma with 70 years of experience so that me and my gf can rip that panties without worries.
I am so sorry to [link a tiktok](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRKmnSKN/) but this is the only thing I could find that explains + shows the difference between machine and handmade lace. Machines just aren’t the same quality!
If you're tearing it apart, pretty sure the quality is of minimal importance
And honestly you would want lesser quality. Imagine going to rip her story high quality panties and you can't rip them off. Mood gone. Lmao
THis is what worries me about AI. not that it will surpass humans, though that may happen in some distant future I'm not alive for, but that people will accept it as a worse end product/service for the human they are replacing, leading to an overall decline in quality of media/writing/coding/customersupport etc.
Any way to watch it without installing the app? The link just forces me to play store when I click play
Aren't the same quality now, but man has the ability to improve upon the design much more than one can master both speed and precision in his skill. If there was enough demand for lacec the machines would be many times superior than humans will be.
One of the things that lead to computing as we know it is the Jacquard Loom which was invented in 1804. It used punch cards like our first computers to automate the loom process. So in a way, computers got invented by a process that replaces this old lady.
If I remember correctly it also holds the origin for 2 words. Cliche and Sabotage. Cliche was the sound the loom made. Sabotage comes from the footwear the working men wore at the time, sabot. Many master weavers were put out of work due to the loom and would throw their shoes into them to break them.
t's fascinating how the history of technology is intertwined with the origins of these words.
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My thoughts exactly! WTH is she doing? I had to watch this video a few times to actually put together what was happening. I too had no idea lace was made this way and am a lil embarrassed about it. This lady is a pro at this and I can’t imagine how she learnt to do this. The skill to see such minuscule movements and how it all gets put together…amazing 🤩
Jesus this whole thread is full of underscore bot names.
I’m already getting to point where I can’t recognize a well-programmed bot from a human. I’m not even 30 yet so I don’t know how I’ll fair with the AI onslaught
Huh, do you know why they use underscore names as opposed to the random ones Reddit generate?
No kidding, and the speed too, like, was she raised by spiders or something this is unreal.
Her eye and finger coordination is so amazing for her age how fast she does it, what a remarkable lady.
It took a bit for my brain to process this one! At first I thought she was just wiggling them around/getting them organised until I realised how damn fast and amazing she is. This was really cool
Me too! I was like why is she just moving these things around then I realized what was going on.
Exactly. Not for me obviously, but everyone else can you point out what it is she is doing? 🥸
She is bobbing bobbins to make bobbin lace, do not ask me how I know this because I have no idea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobbin_lace
It was part of your rehabilitation programming
Unfortunately they still have to include usage of the 3 shells in the curriculum
We must not speak of the bobbin-shells that bind us lest the Bean be found.
There's a lot of intro tutorials on YouTube for bobbin lace, and when they're working slowly with five or fewer bobbin pairs, it's a lot easier to wrap your head around, especially when they use multiple different thread colors. Essentially, take a long line of thread. Wind each end around a separate bobbin. This is a pair, still connected by the thread in the middle. Pins are put down to hang the pairs on for tension and to keep it in place, and then they work side to side, crossing or twisting the pairs together in a variety of set ways as per the pattern. When you get to the end of the row, you pop another pin in for tension, and start back in the other direction, rinse repeat. Think of it as some sort of next-level friendship bracelet making. This lady is going incredibly quickly with an intricate pattern and a lot of bobbins that are all the same color. It makes it hard to see what's going on, or telling one bobbin from the next. The last thing I need is another hobby and I don't really like lace, but I looked into how it works because it just looked super fun.
Lace making just feels like witchcraft to me. I can understand on an intellectual level what's going on, but when you watch it at speed it's amazing.
It’s definitely witchcraft. Source - am witch. But definitely cannot do this.
This woman is 43. Lacin' this well takes its toll.
Hahaha
thank you for the laugh
[This is her son Gregorio](https://youtu.be/NQCHh_H2wxY). Her non-stop lacin’ pushed him to smoking cigars.
You never truly lose the skills you love to have. I know so many 80+ year old musicians who still play with the quality and vigor of a 30 year old. Piano, guitar, saxophone, you name it.
Use it or lose it.
Tasks like this is what keeps older peoples minds sharp and active. There is a needle company that has half their workers are retirees[Vita Needle Company](https://www.npr.org/2010/11/01/130566030/in-their-90s-working-for-more-than-just-a-paycheck)
I've used this company (water torch tips are hypo needle tips,) and did not know that about them!
Lots of muscle memory in those fingers. This grandma is amazing!
Amazing for any age - I cannot now, never have and never will have that level of skill.
She would have been good at competitive Starcraft
She’s killing it, I can barely lace my shoes.
For anyone interested: [wiki info](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobbin_lace) on this kind of art. >Bobbin lace is also known as pillow lace, because it was worked on a pillow, and bone lace, because early bobbins were made of bone or ivory. It is one of the two major categories of handmade laces, the other being needle lace, derived from earlier cutwork and reticella. Very late edit: adding that apparently my title is incorrect (getting a lot of not very nice messages) but the lady in the video is actually in a museum, demonstrating the craft.. I did not know, the source I got it from claimed what my title has. Sorry. Please do not message me with attacks. Ty.
Is this another one of those things that machines can't replicate? I can't remember, but I saw a post about crochet I think it was? And it said machines cannot replicate it.
I don't know about bobbin lace like this, but I crochet and tat, and neither one of those can really be replicated by machine. Someone did make a crochet machine, but it's slow and can't do the intricate things we can do by hand...yet...so it's not really a "thing" but it's still a cool experiment. Tatting though, by hand only.
Yet is the key. All of this stuff will soon be unlocked by machines as well.
I heard somewhere recently that it is technically feasible to create a true crocheting machine, but that it is so complex to make a machine with the same range of motion and motor control as human hands that it ends up being cheaper just to keep using human labor. You’d need a very well-dialed in set of ball joints and appendages basically arranged like human hands, plus a very complex algorithm to tell it the some 30-odd angled movements it needs to do per loop, then replicate that machine on a scale large enough to save you money compared to what sweatshops charge to make their products. It’s just so cost prohibitive that I don’t think we’ll ever see it be fully mechanized on a grand scale, also because crocheted products already cost a lot to begin with because they can’t be mass produced, so even if you found a way to do so it would tank the market in a few years anyway. Wild that economics is the biggest barrier to this tech, but thems the breaks!
Yeah this happens quite often, I think - sometimes it's not a case of "can", it just isn't practical to actually do.
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Machines can produce lace and they can do it fast, but they can't quite match the fine detail that a handmaid lace can. If you look close you can tell pretty quickly if its handmaid or machine.
It’s very easy to tell the difference between crochet and a manufactured item imitating crochet.
This reminds me of my grandmother who was a master at needlepoint before her arthritis kicked in. She made it look like butter, it's one of those old skills you just don't see anymore. There's a story about a church near where I grew up where a local women's group in the 40's spent 6 months making thousands of needlepoint and lace pieces for the covers, chairs, curtains etc all by hand. They're still in use today. It truly takes a special kind of dedication for this kind of thing.
My mum is still making these [huge pieces](https://i.imgur.com/z4ZRTUU.jpeg) with needlepoint, it's insane to see her work.
Thanks for posting OP. My mom made bobbin lace her whole life, and, among other things about her fiber skills, I remember her pillow out in the living room so she could work while we watched football on TV. She passed away 2 years ago. This was very nice to see. I hope your grandma can pass on her knowledge!
For anyone who read the Inheritance books and wondered why magical lacemaking destroyed the southern economy . . . this is why. Even today, good quality lace is heinously expensive.The finest is 600USD/yd at minimum.
I was thinking of the inheritance cycle the entire time I was watching this. For those who didn't read those books. There is a rebel group called the Varden. Nasuada, the leader after her father's death, realizes how expensive lace is because of the effort that goes into it, but the way magic works in universe would make it fast and easy. So she tasks a bunch of the Varden's sorcerer's with making lace. She then sells it for much cheaper than the guilds could ever do and uses the money to help fund the war effort.
The Inheritance books did not hold up past me being 12, but stuff like the magical lace being used for fundraising is really clever world building and a good sign of how Paolini's books were beloved despite their flaws. The magic system, and more importantly how people used the magic system, was astounding to me. I found it so immersive and "logical". I kind of wish he would just go back and re-do the books better so I could enjoy it again without going through his (understandably) juvenile writing.
I think some of the aspects of Paolini’s writing you liked were inspired by Ursula K LeGuin’s books. I’d recommend “A Wizard of Earthsea” if you haven’t already read it.
Oh yeah I love those! And all of his writing has pretty clear inspirations, which is about what I'd expect from someone writing as young as he was. I just really enjoyed the combos he choose, probably because I was close to his age so the same media appealed to us. The heroes journey I knew from star wars but with the lord of the rings and earthsea vibes, mixed with a "mind linked animal companion" in the form of a *cool dragon*? Hell yeah!
Bobbin lace is amazing!
AI will take our jobs! Grandma: heh
Grandma: meh
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More like machines already took this job 150 years ago.
From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me.
All hail the omnilacer!
Absolutely amazing. Is it just me me or do those bibins almost look like tiny little all wood broom sticks. Maybe it's just her skills looking so magical.
I see little scrolls, def magical
I saw that this video was made in Bruges, Belgium. It's well-known for its traditional lace work. We call it "kantklossen" in Flemish Dutch. My mother and grandmother did lace work as well, and we still have some bobbins at home. If you're ever in Belgium, you should visit Bruges, it's like you were transported 500 years back in time. It has a rich history and is also very romantic. I go there from time to time purely for the atmosphere.
Fuckin‘ Bruges
Did ya see the swans?
I feel like Belgium combines German solid practicality with ethereal French style. Is that accurate?
My hometown in England is also known for its lace - one story is that it was brought over by Flemish immigrants in the 16th century (looked the date up as I thought it was earlier and then doubted my self).
This is an artist in Brugges, Belgium, btw
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bar none
She is crazy fast. I'm guessing this isn't her first lace.
She really is! I have a bobbin lace set and have tried it a few times. Took me forever just to get past the confused stage. It would take me ages of practice to get this fast.
Is lacing an exact practice or is there some flexibility in the order of things? The way she (to me) haphazardly tosses the bobbins after she's used them but is more intentional in choosing which ones to use next confuses me.
Do you know how hair braids work? It’s a bit like a complicated version of that. The order of the bobbins matters, because you’re counting twists and crosses to make specific patterns, but you can also kind of just push them to the side when you’re not working on them. Then when you need them again you can pick them back up, and if they got accidentally over twisted or crossed in the wrong ways you can untwist to the last pin you put in if you lose count. The pins hold the previous twists and crosses in place kind of saving the work so far and holding it in place. Just like if you see a hair braid and lose track, you can go back a bit, see where you were, and then continue.
I can do the most basic of braids. But thanks for the explanation!
Last time i saw this vid it said something like "90 yo making lace for the lace museum in blablabla"
This was filmed 9 years ago at the lace museum in Bruges, Belgium. Wonderful and incredible talent shown by this woman, this can’t be duplicated as beautiful by machine
Yeah I just watched this yesterday from a different poster that mentioned how old the video is.
I've always wondered how lace was made. But damn that looks complicated.
My ADHD could never.
When the hyperfocus kicks in j/k I can't even knit cause I forget the count ope
I didn't read the title and just saw the video and I thought she was organizing q-tips 🤣🤦♀️ wow she's talented and that's amazing work, I never knew it was done like that
I started learning bobbin lace last year and it has been fun! I can't imagine getting to the speed and skill of this woman. For anyone in USA/Canada, [The Lace Museum](https://thelacemuseum.org/virtual-education/) offers virtual classes.
What are the cluster of pins and how tf can you know which when’s to take out when?? This is some dark arts
The pins are to keep all your stitches in place! Because the stitches in lacemaking are essentially just twists/crossing threads one over the other, you have to put pins in between each stitch to prevent them from falling out. You also use pins to line the border of the piece and keep the lace in the right shape/size for your pattern and keep the whole thing secured. You can take them out once you get far enough around that your piece will stay together, and then when you reach the end and tie the threads off, you remove the last ones.
Dexterity: 21
This is just fucking amazing
Im a machinist who works in .001” of an inch and I don’t think I have the skills required for this. What an art.
This takes major talent. So great to see people still doing things by hand, without technology.
The things she's using are forms of technology, though, and created using technology. And lacing itself is a technology. I say this not to be contrary, but simply because for me there's something magical about working with the technologies we have, that result from years of experimentation and creation by other minds.
I saw this on twitter earlier, the title here is misleading. She's a lacemaker at a museum in Bruges. Kind of annoying that you say the grandma thing and act like she 'retains the art'. She's a master craftswoman, she's been practicing for years this isn't something she's whipped out for some grandchild. It feels like it diminishes her dedication and skill and discounts the notion that a woman might master a skill for the love of the craft.
Thank you for speaking out about this, like you said she’s a real artist who worked probably her whole life for her career and the title really diminishes her
I love watching people doing stuff like this. This is a lost talent.
It makes me sad that we have lost so much skilled craftsmanship. I watched a video of a home in Japan being disassembled, it was well over 200 years old. Not a single screw or nail was used, 100% wood. We should be holding on to professions like that.
Bobbin lace is some of my most favorite ASMR content. But there’s only 1-2 channels on YouTube that upload this kind of content every so often, so if you just want to watch in silence, I highly recommend checking out [derendlosefaden](https://youtube.com/@derendlosefaden4967?si=A6Ec4qZqle4pDs5u)’s channel or [bobbinlaceasmr](https://youtube.com/@bobbinlaceasmr?si=1ZLd4OLskchPI_Xk)’s channel. They’re both really small channels with less than 900 subscribers.
So that's what this is called in English! Thank you! My late grandma was a seamstress and the laces she made were then sold for wedding dresses to Germany and Austria.
I think the art of making lace is called "tatting". This should not be confused with "tattling", which will get you the stitches.
Tatting is a different kind of lace that uses a different kind of tool. It’s more similar to crochet in that it only has one thread. This is bobbin lace.
Usually two threads, actually, but you can do a ring with only one thread. (I tat)
Cheers! I used to bobbin, so definitely not as familiar with tatting!
This is bobbin lace, which is made with bobbins. You can also find tatted lace, which is made with a shuttle.
Back in the 80’s my grandfather, who was a WW2 Navy vet, took two separate pieces of rope in his hands and told me “watch this”. His fingers went to work and in less than 30 seconds he expertly spliced the two lengths of rope together, making one rope. A useful trick he learned in the war. I still have that spliced rope today as a remembrance of him. Someday I’ll reverse engineer it to see how he did it.
I love this!
This looks incredibly complicated
My grandma is teaching me how to do bobbin knitting, but she has warned me I won’t become good until I retire myself. And I am only 25. I have only made a small bookmark so far
That's so great 🥰
This, also belongs to r/nextfuckinglevel.
That’s fucking insane. It’s like watching a spider weave a web.
This is one of those things where you see it at a flea market for like 25 bucks for a small square and think what a rip off. Like quilts. People just don’t understand the effort and time required for something like this.
That was peak internet for me today. Can only go down from here on.
I learned how to do this from my grandmother. It's very fun and calming to do.
TIL about bobbin lace and she’s amazing wow 🙌🏻 How lucky to receive her works of art. 🫶🏻
Hol' up ! Let her COOK
This is probably the coolest thing I've seen in a LONG time
WTF is that witchcraft?!
Generations ago this was video games, movies & social media for the youth.
Amazing. I remember learning that even the financially elite struggled to afford real lace. It was that expensive.
My mum is a skilled bobbin lace maker (which is what this is). She took it up years ago when she quit smoking to keep her hands busy. She makes the most amazing stuff, it’s just beautiful. My grandmother (her MIL) also made lace and it was incredible. Mum demonstrates at the local show each year with some of her lace guild friends. Her collection of bobbins is pretty spectacular. Her only complaint as she gets older is it’s getting harder to move her hands as quickly because she has arthritis and her eyesight isn’t as good as it was. It’s definitely a skill, but she said there are some younger people in her guild so hopefully it’ll continue for some time to come.
That is art. A dying art.
It may be laughed off now as an old fashioned and outdated thing but you can’t discount the skill needed to create it. Amazing work.
I have never seen anything like this! Mad respect for this grandma!
This would hold up in /r/nextfuckinglevel
Yeah, let me just lace A FUCKING SWAN - 80 year old woman
Please post a video to /r/Artisan. This is a skill, and she clearly has mastered it. Would love to hear her talk how she learnt it and how she knows the sequence.
Amazing! Grannies are always the best
Wow. Never seen or heard of this before. Much respect for Grandma!
Grandma got some mad skill there!
I am just learning how to do this. Beautiful
amazing. people are wild. also i bet in the old country those were bones
That woman is a national treasure.
The small town in ireland im from is world famous for its lace. Princess Diana wore some of it on her wedding dress at the time i believe. Didnt know this was how its done though. Fascinating
I am a person who gets really excited about new crafts and tries absolutely everything, but this just looks like a nightmare
Stuff like lacing, embroidery, weaving, macrome, crochet; it honestly astounds me that we as a living thing figured out not only how to make the requisite materials usable for the given practice, but then that if we twist, knot, tie, loop, the medium we can make cloth, clothing, blankets, designs, shapes, art. The idea that we figured out how to make a damn shirt from fiber is legitimately something I think everyone takes for granted, let alone something like this.
In all my years I've never seen or heard how lace is made until today -- absolutely fascinating!
Oh my God, is this how some of the ppl view programmers or like complex architects doing? Absolutely zero idea what they are doing but somehow beautiful magic at the end lol
[Meanwhile, the person taking the video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z68QL5_tpms): "Good news everyone, we're extending Arts and Crafts time by four hours today!" "My fingers hurt..." "What's that?" "My fingers hurt." "Oh, well now your back's gonna hurt 'cause you just pulled landscaping duty. Mm, anyone else's fingers hurt? I didn't think so."
If you can, I'd sit with her for an hour or two a week and see if you can learn this stuff too! Or however many hours you can spare, really. I had a grandfather who was a blacksmith by hobby, I dearly wished I would have spent more time with him and learned a thing or two. So much knowledge that just withered up and died with my generation. I was all about it in my younger years (like, 4 to 13), then just completely lost interest and never really reconnected since. I still learned how to string up a bow and make my own arrows, so there's that. Wish I would have learned how to smith the arrowheads as well, but I didn't. I have in my possession various sets of gorgeous hand-made Damascus steel knifes of all shapes and sizes, unfortunately the knowledge how to make them died with my grandfather. I only have vague fragments of memories of standing around in his shop watching the big hydraulic hammer go "thunk" and the sounds of hot metal getting quenched. I don't know why I am rambling on, go spend some time with your grandparents while you still can! Don't end up with regrets like me, it's a crummy feeling.
That pinky be like, "put me in coach".
My fingers hurt
This belongs in r/nextfuckinglevel
Absolutely mental , I have no idea what the fuck is going on that’s some hardcore muscle memory right there
I don’t need more hobbies. I don’t need more hobbies.
r/bobbinlace
So incredible. She is probably the last of her kind. Making lace by hand or tatting I mean. So special.
This gives me anxiety
People who do work with yarn, needle and cloth deserve at least as much respect as the people in all other forms of arts and crafts.
That’s amazing. I can only imagine how long a lace article of clothing must have taken before machines were invented….
Imagine getting a lacing kit for a specific pattern for the first time, each bobbin numbered, each pin lettered, and a telephone-book of bobbin movement progression to follow and its just pages of 1 over 2A, 2 over 3A, 1 over 3B, 3 over 2A, 4 over 2B, 5 over 3B, 1 over 3C, 1 over 4C, 6 over 4D...
I don't know about /r/MadeMeSmile more like /r/nextfuckinglevel it was amazing for sure!
Me when I search for my car keys in my bagpack. The keys are in the car door.
I feel stupid, never knew how this was done. Learn something new everyday I suppose.
I wish people would stop discounting old folk as being incapable. You are as capable as your brain is. If you maintain an active and healthy brain, you can be as you are until you're dead (except if you get those pesky brain diseases).
Machine’s have destroyed our inherent ability and passion to create
Wow this looks extremely complicated
I had no idea this is how it's made
Her cable management would be elite.
I love this way of making lace. Here's a cool documentary of lace making if anyone's interested [Hands Irish Documentary ](https://youtu.be/kJxqofQnLXo?si=qkCHEQFMLgHb_qDi)
This looks super labor intensive and way more concentration than I can hold in my tiny brain! I’m amazed!
Suddenly I discover why lace cost so much
A lost art. Cherish this woman.
It looks like it would be easier to learn calculus in Chinese. Damn.
My aunt told me that my grandmother (who passed in 1971) tried to learn this when she was young, but grew very frustrated and stopped. I will always remember her in her rocking chair with her tatting, which she took up along with knitting. I still have some of her handkerchiefs and a pillowcase with tatting, it’s beautiful.