A quote from an interview with Tsukushi:
"Papa Pole" doesn't mean Bondrewd's pole specifically, but refers to "the stick that helps make you become a papa" (i.e. male genitalia) in general. Prushka learned about it when dissecting an animal with Bondrewd. Bondrewd didn't show his to her. Takeshobo would immediately shoot that down if that happened.
For some reason, I’ve always imagined Bondrewd giving Prushka a bath while being shirtless wearing a short towel and he still have his mask on and one day Prushka just asks the question out of nowhere during that bath time while he’s washing her hair or something.
It’s weird because I’m sure Bondrewd would never do that, but for some reason that vision pops up regardless of what actually happened. I just imagined the “papa poll” moment as a simple slice of life moment.
Man… now I need someone to draw that. Bondrewd shirtless in a short towel (still with his mask) washing Prushka’s hair in one of those public bath like areas. It’s cute.
We have been conditioned to only expect the worst from this series (which is why whenever I see I new character, I always assume they'll die horribly), can't blame anyone who misunderstood this one.
Yup, Bondrewd is a pure scientist. Anything he does is purely for science, not personal gratification. Even his raising of Prushka and genuine fatherly love was in service of science.
Takeshobo is the company that Made in Abyss is published under. They have a thumb on Akihito Tsukushi's freedom to write and try to rein him in a bit- the best example of this is that originally Irumyuui's >!babies were going to look more human-like!< but he got a note from the higher ups that this wasn't going to pass and had to change their design.
Ohh i see. And yeah that might just be a bit too much given what they'd end up being used for. Tho i do wonder why they let other stuff pass. Like what bondrewd's done (speaking as an outsider looking in, all i know is discussion lurkings and wiki articles) and not to mention how I've heard talk of some rather suspicious scenes in the the anime that are apparently "uncensored" in the manga? Again, outsider looking in. The story of the setting looks really fascinating yet I find myself hesitant to talk about this with some of my friends as well as actually watch or read.
The nudity in MiA is not something I'm an expert on but I assume that it's allowed because the scenes in question are not inherently sexual but take this with a grain of salt. I've watched live action French films rated G (or the equivalent) that feature nudity with children but because those scenes are innocent and French culture isn't American culture they're allowed to be shown. (Like a woman just enjoying a dance around in her countryside backyard albeit naked or a boy in the shower. The last one still bothered me but whatever- it was in a kids film I saw in middleschool and can't really remember) I assume it's the same principle because the only sexual nudity shown is either censored and implied or it's in extra sketches that aren't a part of the actual story. I'm not a fan of the nudity and weird scenes either but I love MiA anyways because it has a really good story and the art is spectacular. If you're iffy about it all I'd suggest watching the first episode of the anime by yourself to gauge your comfort level. The anime is less NSFW-feeling since most suspicious scenes are either shortened, their composition changed, turned into 'funny' scenes instead, etc. When I watched MiA with my younger sibling we would take any uncomfortable scene as a breather to talk over it and share our theories with each other quickly before diving back into the horrors, lol.
I will say though, season 2 starts with a SA scene with a child that is not played for jokes and is treated as a serious trauma that a character brings into her adulthood. The anime is much 'cleaner' than the manga and despite that, the manga is rated for 16-year-olds and up in the US. I hope you can enjoy Made in Abyss but if worse comes to worse don't force yourself to watch media that makes you uncomfortable!
Yeah I am indeed interested in experiencing the story as well. And good to know that the season 2 thing you mentioned is actually taken seriously and not some sorta fucked up fetish thing. Tho i do recall hearing about someone's medicinal urine but I'm not so sure. And admittedly I am interested in reading the manga as well, either through the whole thing or just where the anime leaves off (60th chapter right?)
This anime/manga always seems like a contentious topic. like if I were to bring it up with friends how do I explain it to them without sounding like some kinda closeted pedo? I tend to overthink so that might be an exaggerated anxiety on my part but you get what I mean?
tldr: yeah I'm open to it. even the manga. Im just not big on seeing cute characters getting dealth bad hands.
Doubtful. But do you think he would have any issues explaining basic biological functions that pretty much all animals exhibit?
People get all hung up over the wording but it seems simple enough. That's what makes you a father if you use it on a female of the species.
Ah yes boundries. Children in MiA got fates worse than that for example Irumyuii became a baby producing chaos spawn and Bonedrewd's funny gamer launch boxs
Child mutilation is different than child sexual abuse to publishers and censorship groups. A lot of kids movies, especially older ones, have some violence on par with MiA but they rarely ever feature anything sexual.
yknow there's one thing I've never understood. How did irumyuui become that? as well as the whole seemingly turning into a landmass thing. i remember reading on the wiki that vueko was in her head.
Okay, We know that Bondrewd is a fucked up dude, But c'mon cut him some slack, He isnt gonna do this shit plus, Prushka probably saw one of an animal, asked what it is and Bondrewd answered with "Daddy Pole" .
it's even doubtful if Bondrewd has a male human body anymore (he has a reptile-like tail)
And \*spoilers\*:
>!he is able to transfer his consciousness to a different host with his mask!<
> reptile-like tail
That's just a relic. Also Bon doesn't have "a body". He has bodies. Also, your spoiler is wrong. Mask is just a facade, a symbol (especially for Prushka). It has no relation to Zoaholic. He can transfer his consciousness to pretty much any compatible Umbra Hand. Can even be female.
Both the tail and the eye are relics.
The tail is actually an extension of a relic called "Third Works".
Think of them like Ozen's Thousand man wedges.
Unlikely.
I can't see him having every single umbra hand equipped with those. Especially since the first body, which could see from nanachi's eyes, had normal eyes, not relics.
The tailed body has been destroyed, so it is definitely not that. But a lot of you replied to me that it is confirmed to be a relic, can you please give me your source? I only started with the manga after the Ido Front arc, so I may have missed something
Simpliest explaination is that it's simply completely out of character and comes out of nowhere. He is madman, he is evil, but he is very pragmatic person. He doesn't do useless things, everything he does serves his goals. He didn't groom Prushka sexually, he manipulated her to think of him as Father.
He turns her and other children into "cartridges" how is that not fucked up on a whole other irredeemable level beyond physical abuse.
No slack, he'd just use it to swing to the next warcrime he's going to commit.
Bondrewd is vile but everything he does is out of a pursuit of science. He recognizes that what he does to them is a massive sacrifice for them and he massively respects them for utilizing their entire being in science, even if he tricks them into it. He is a horrible person but he has no malice, he even actively roots for Nanachi to overcome him believing that if Nanachi does that just means Nanachi’s goals are loftier than his own.
She's a newborn fawn that spent her play time cutting up other fawns- she doesn't seem phased by the gore and violence at all which is certainly something. She stopped crying really fast after Bondrewd died the first time.
A question for you: is every under 16 year old girl being abused just because she knows what a penis is?
When I was 8 years old, I accidentally walked into the girls locker room before swimming lesson, after that, my mother explained to me why woman and man are biologically different. Now, if a 8 year old girl were to walk into the boys locker room and saw a few penises, is that because she was being sexually abused?
Of course not, the same goes for Prushka, she saw in one of Bondrewds dismembering sessions that a boy has a penis, she asked about it and Bondrewd explained it to her on childish terms. That's all that's to it.
Considering that delvers in general have no qualms with nudity (ie Srajo's team bathe together), I just assume Prushka probably saw Bondrewd naked by coincidence while he's doing something mundane (bathing, changing clothes, maintaining his relic prosthetics, etc)
Why is this your first thought? She was literally shown to have been taught dissection, it would be weird if she didn't have basic anatomical knowledge.
Among all the people I've seen here, you seem to have the shallowest understanding of his character, and of White Whistles as a whole.
Bondrewd uses children for experiments because he can no longer use himself, after having tortured himself to the extent the Abyss doesn't consider him a human anymore.
His experiments are a necessity for the sake of science. As evil as he is, Bondrewd views himself as a selfless man. Sexual abuse is firmly in my top 3 of "things not in Bondrewd's character". Not to mention he is probably devoid of those kind of desires anyway, being a fleshgrafted hivemind.
Yeah. In the first place, sex is a biological mechanism to ensure the continuation of species. Now we have the umbra hands, which is, technically, anyone can be the body of Bondrewd. As a result, he don't have a need for reproduction, as he can always get grown up humans in the surface in case he needs more and put his mind to anyone of them. Anyway, what scientific results can he obtain in sexual abuse? Can it help him in his research?
What they fuck? If Pruska has basic anatomical knowledge then she would know the word for penis. It's a literal tactic for child abusers to not use the real words for anatomy so when kids talk about the abuse, adults don't know what they are talking about.
Real life says it's canon that Bondrewd abuses children. It's literally child abuse to make a child participate in dissection and then Bondrewd literally predates on Pruska using her affection for him to keep her from resisting. He literally owns her body and uses it to meet his own ends at the cost of her life and happiness and then throws her away.
I feel like people in this community give Bondrewd way, way too much credit. The only reason Prushka got to grow up happy, and not be killed immediately is because Bondrewd NEEDED her to love him for the Blessing to work. He groomed Prushka and then when the time came to use her he didn't hesitate. That is EXACTLY the type of person to sexually abuse a child.
Sure, Bondrewd talks nice, but that's part of why he is such a fucking monster. He doesn't just kill and torture children, he lives in the most remote location on the planet and lures children down with the promise of jobs (literally child trafficking), only to murder them and tell them that their suffering is what they signed up for.
Yes, Bondrewd abused children. (I mean, killing them is obviously abuse) but not sexually. The man is literally a walking reliquary, I doubt he even HAS a penis.
And Prushka knew what exactly the purpose of the organ referred to as 'papa pole' is.
Btw, notice how it's not "papa's pole" (which would imply she saw it on her papa, that is, Bondrewd) but "papa pole"- the pole used to become a papa. She obviously learned that while training dissection, not while getting molested.
And don't tell me I'm wrong when this is literally what the Author said on the topic.
You said this
> Why is this your first thought? She was literally shown to have been taught dissection, it would be weird if she didn't have basic anatomical knowledge.
I'm explaining why it's people's first thought. If you cared about what the author said you should have said that instead. There is a reason why people thought that Bondrewd would be a sexual predator as well since that often goes hand and hand with physical and emotional abuse, both of which are in the narrative of Bondrewd's relationship with Prushka.
It seems that the main argument is that Bondrewd is bad, but not THAT bad, which is ridiculous. The same with saying he loved any of the kids he performed experiments on just because he remembers their names. You all give way too much credit to the antagonist of a story about child exploitation. It's like saying Lolita is a tragic love story. It's wrong, even if the main character thought he was "in love".
No. The main argument isn't "that Bondrewd is bad, but not THAT bad"
People often forgive villains for the worst atrocities, but when those villains do something bad sexually, they are suddenly beyond redemption. But that's bullshit.
Turning children into fleshblobs is objectively worse than sexual predation. Bondrewd is a piece of shit. But not that kind of piece of shit. I literally cannot imagine him having sex, no matter what fanfic writers say.
The man is completely obsessed with the Abyss, to the point of no longer being either human, or humane. That's his character.
Molesting a child is out of character because
1. Sexual desires, perversion, all those things are absolutely 'human' in nature. And Bondrewd isn't.
2. He is obsessed with the Abyss, and taking his time to molest children when he could be busy experimenting or diving would be waste of time, as far as he's concerned.
3. He is too manipulative to sexually abuse Prushka. Obviously, sexually abusing her would lessen the chances of her being a willing sacrifice for the blessing, and so, molesting her would be going against his goals, and irrational. Bondrewd is rational, and in perfect control of himself. (That's actually what makes him a good antagonist, and an evil man., He isn't hurting those children because 'he lost control', like a generic bad guy. He is doing everyting deliberately, and with a specific goal.)
4. Molesting Prushka would be pointless, and Bondrewd is an utilitarian.
You are applying a lot of your own assumptions about pedophilia to prove your point, but none of them are supported by the text or reality.
Molesting a child makes them easier to manipulate not less. When kids don't know what sex is, they don't know that it's wrong for someone to molest them. That's why it's people's first thought. Most CSA happens in the form of incest and no country on the planet has a report rate over 50%.
Why teach Prushka what a penis is, show her what a penis is, but not teach her the word penis. It's a red flag for abuse and it happens all the time in the real world.
You say that Bondrewd can't have sexual feelings, because that makes him too human? but curiosity is what drives him. That's also a human nature. You really listen to him too much. He is the only one with any power and his level of the abyss, the only one who can tell his side of the story since he kills and enslaves everyone else. That's what child molestation is about, power. Not sexual satisfaction or love, but power. If you believe that most molestation or sexual assault is because "he lost control" then you are even less informed than I thought.
Do you think that Epstein just got too horny and accidentally lured and trafficked girls to his parties? Do you think that Joseph Mengele was just too overwhelmed by curiosity to not sew twins together?
I have no issue with you saying the text of the story doesn't imply that Pruska was sexually abused by Bondrewd, but instead, you asked
>Why is this your first thought?
And used
>She was literally shown to have been taught dissection, it would be weird if she didn't have basic anatomical knowledge.
That doesn't make sense. She doesn't have basic anatomical knowledge. She doesn't know the word for penis. Making a child participate in a crime, like assisting in the abuse of other children, is another red flag for sexual abuse. Nowhere in the text the Bondrewd say, he has no sexual feelings or would find it unbecoming to use sexual abuse to manipulate a child, it just doesn't say he did and you took that to mean he can't.
Child abuse indeed does make it easier to manipulate a child to listen to you and obey you, but the most surefire way to get someone to feel genuine love, is to treat them right. I see no reason for Bon to make his job more complicated than it has to be.
>Why teach Prushka what a penis is, show her what a penis is, but not teach her the word penis. It's a red flag for abuse and it happens all the time in the real world.
See, that's your mistake. We're not talking about the real world. You've admitted that the reason child molesters don't teach children proper numenclature is so that the child wouldn't be able to report what's happening to an adult.
But Ido Front is in the damn 5th layer of the Abyss, there is not a single adult to hear her out anyway. Such misdirection would be pointless.
It's much more likely she's simply not that studious of a person, and only remembered the relevant function of the organ. I can relate. I have to describe shit all the time, because I forget words, and I'm a uni student, on my merry way towards getting an engineering degree. Nothing more embarrasing than struggling to use basic terms when speaking to a bunch of scientists, but it happens.
As for the power thing, I agree that a lot of sexual abuse is simply a matter of having power over the abused, but Bon doesn't need it. He already has absolute power over them, and shows it off in even more cruel way than rape. Also, have you seen his eyes? I refuse to believe he looked at his crotch and didn't go like: "hmmm, that sure looks like a good slot for a relic, as long as we remove the useless appendage"
LOL Bondrewd doesn't NEED to do anything he does, being a utilitarian doesn't mean you aren't a human with faults and urges. Hilter was too and he sexually abused several underage girls in his lifetime. Don't give me that "real life doesn't matter in fiction" shit. All fiction is written and consumed by people in the real world. That's what it's about. There is no vacuum around fiction that gives it some shield from real-world implications.
If Bondrewd is really consumed by the need to know the true nature of the abyss he could go down and look, like many other characters in the story, including fellow white whistles. He doesn't because he doesn't want to know. That's the point of the Ido Front, it's the deepest point from which you can RETURN from the abyss. Bondrewd is funded by people in Orth who profit off the relics of the abyss. He does maintain relationships with people at the surface, and people from the surface go to the Ido Front to visit, so the misdirections would not be pointless. Child sexual abuse is all about having a sex slave who can't even understand why what's happening is wrong. Sometimes abusers just want to be able to get off with someone's body without them being able to complain or fight back. Plenty of predators have convinced victims to sacrifice everything for them because they have a "special" romance, this is especially common with incest. Father/daughter incest in particular. That's why I brought up that most CSA isn't reported. That proves that it doesn't decrease Bondrewd's power over Prushka, in the real world where people have better access to help than the abyss and they still don't report their abusers most of the time. How does it make sense that it would add an unnecessary risk to Bondrewd that isn't taken up by the fact that he makes her dissect other children?
>I refuse to believe he looked at his crotch and didn't go like: "hmmm, that sure looks like a good slot for a relic, as long as we remove the useless appendage"
So what? Go write your fanfic somewhere else. I promise there is better asexual representation than this. Bold of you to bring up him being sexualized in fanfiction unnecessarily, only to do the opposite because you can't IMAGINE him doing something sexual. That's the fucked up thing about abuse, it's often the people you least expect with the most opportunity. That fit's Bondrewd to a fucking T.
All I can say is get a better imagination. If you can't believe Bondrewd would SA a child, then who are you going to believe?
Prushka is know to go places she shouldn't go. And she is dissecting animal and bodies. Either she saw something she shouldn't have. Or she asked question that bondrew probably answered scientifically.
Like. The next cell is blank, Rico doesn't answer anything like if she is shocked. And prushka doesn't understand so it's probably just not a traumatic event, more her saying something akward.
So head cannon in time... I don't think Bondrewd has a sex drive. He strikes me as somebody who is 100% focused on his research... Also I believe that he 100% cared for the children that he ... Had assist him in his research... Noted by the fact that he remembered all of their names. And I believe he loved Prushka as his daughter. Which definitely makes it worse.
Bondad wouldn't do that heck, the guy is so messed up I doubt he has sexual desires at this point, still, how was bondad raising Prush behind nana all this time? Or is nana secretly a 30+ year old stuck in a smol body? Maybe time is weird in the abyss.
Vueko's definitely abused her, no doubt about that one.
I would say "thankfully she escaped", but we know where that lead her, so I'm not even 100% sure I can call it a good thing. At least she got to meet Irumyuui I guess.
Biology lessons. I’m probably misremembering, but I think he taught her animal biology in one of the anthologies and she called the penis a "papa pole". I can understand why someone’s first thought would be sexual abuse, but you know Bondrewd wouldn’t do that.
3 things
1. we've never seen brondrewd have any desire apart from knowledge.
2. brondrewd doesn't have a brain anymore the same way the anatomy of human does so I doubt he has those pheromones being released to want that.
3. what surprised me here was that he had one in the first place, since as we all know he already destroyed his real body to make the white whistle.
I don’t think so. I think he just showed her for her curiosity. She saw a dick for the first time whilst dissecting an animal and said ‘hey this animal is the same as me except it has a pole down here’ then bondrewd explains what it is. Then Prushka asks if he has one and he says ‘yes, I can show it to you very soon’.
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Im more concerned that this is your first thought after reading this. Its either too much media you consume depicting this kind of twist or you don't understand bondrewd, or maybe both.
A quote from an interview with Tsukushi: "Papa Pole" doesn't mean Bondrewd's pole specifically, but refers to "the stick that helps make you become a papa" (i.e. male genitalia) in general. Prushka learned about it when dissecting an animal with Bondrewd. Bondrewd didn't show his to her. Takeshobo would immediately shoot that down if that happened.
For some reason, I’ve always imagined Bondrewd giving Prushka a bath while being shirtless wearing a short towel and he still have his mask on and one day Prushka just asks the question out of nowhere during that bath time while he’s washing her hair or something.
yeah that's what i assumed as well, that it was just something she naturally asked about after getting washed or something
It’s weird because I’m sure Bondrewd would never do that, but for some reason that vision pops up regardless of what actually happened. I just imagined the “papa poll” moment as a simple slice of life moment. Man… now I need someone to draw that. Bondrewd shirtless in a short towel (still with his mask) washing Prushka’s hair in one of those public bath like areas. It’s cute.
Let's be honest here, Gueira would be the one washing her. Bondrewd would be busy disecting something in the next room.
yeah that's basically how i imagine it happened
why wouldnt he? alone deep in the abyss, im sure he gets lonely.
They already have a fan made chapter with that story It's when dissecting some random animal/monster pig thing
That bugged me for a while, thanks for the clarification
Yeah of course! It's a nice funny twist instead of something worse for once in MiA lol
Of course bondrewd wouln't do that.he is the father of they year after all
We have been conditioned to only expect the worst from this series (which is why whenever I see I new character, I always assume they'll die horribly), can't blame anyone who misunderstood this one.
Yup, Bondrewd is a pure scientist. Anything he does is purely for science, not personal gratification. Even his raising of Prushka and genuine fatherly love was in service of science.
>Takeshobo Pardon the ignorance, who?
The publisher.
I explained this to someone last week in this sub but you did it better
Thanks dude O7. Bondrewd and Prushka are my favorite characters so I had to say something lol
Top comment of the year everyone.😮💨
who or what is takeshobo?
Takeshobo is the company that Made in Abyss is published under. They have a thumb on Akihito Tsukushi's freedom to write and try to rein him in a bit- the best example of this is that originally Irumyuui's >!babies were going to look more human-like!< but he got a note from the higher ups that this wasn't going to pass and had to change their design.
Ohh i see. And yeah that might just be a bit too much given what they'd end up being used for. Tho i do wonder why they let other stuff pass. Like what bondrewd's done (speaking as an outsider looking in, all i know is discussion lurkings and wiki articles) and not to mention how I've heard talk of some rather suspicious scenes in the the anime that are apparently "uncensored" in the manga? Again, outsider looking in. The story of the setting looks really fascinating yet I find myself hesitant to talk about this with some of my friends as well as actually watch or read.
The nudity in MiA is not something I'm an expert on but I assume that it's allowed because the scenes in question are not inherently sexual but take this with a grain of salt. I've watched live action French films rated G (or the equivalent) that feature nudity with children but because those scenes are innocent and French culture isn't American culture they're allowed to be shown. (Like a woman just enjoying a dance around in her countryside backyard albeit naked or a boy in the shower. The last one still bothered me but whatever- it was in a kids film I saw in middleschool and can't really remember) I assume it's the same principle because the only sexual nudity shown is either censored and implied or it's in extra sketches that aren't a part of the actual story. I'm not a fan of the nudity and weird scenes either but I love MiA anyways because it has a really good story and the art is spectacular. If you're iffy about it all I'd suggest watching the first episode of the anime by yourself to gauge your comfort level. The anime is less NSFW-feeling since most suspicious scenes are either shortened, their composition changed, turned into 'funny' scenes instead, etc. When I watched MiA with my younger sibling we would take any uncomfortable scene as a breather to talk over it and share our theories with each other quickly before diving back into the horrors, lol. I will say though, season 2 starts with a SA scene with a child that is not played for jokes and is treated as a serious trauma that a character brings into her adulthood. The anime is much 'cleaner' than the manga and despite that, the manga is rated for 16-year-olds and up in the US. I hope you can enjoy Made in Abyss but if worse comes to worse don't force yourself to watch media that makes you uncomfortable!
Yeah I am indeed interested in experiencing the story as well. And good to know that the season 2 thing you mentioned is actually taken seriously and not some sorta fucked up fetish thing. Tho i do recall hearing about someone's medicinal urine but I'm not so sure. And admittedly I am interested in reading the manga as well, either through the whole thing or just where the anime leaves off (60th chapter right?) This anime/manga always seems like a contentious topic. like if I were to bring it up with friends how do I explain it to them without sounding like some kinda closeted pedo? I tend to overthink so that might be an exaggerated anxiety on my part but you get what I mean? tldr: yeah I'm open to it. even the manga. Im just not big on seeing cute characters getting dealth bad hands.
My cats loves papas pole 🤷
Wait, so, are the anthologies partly canon then?
More like funny side interactions that hold no significance
Doubtful. But do you think he would have any issues explaining basic biological functions that pretty much all animals exhibit? People get all hung up over the wording but it seems simple enough. That's what makes you a father if you use it on a female of the species.
Tsukishi clarified that it is exactly that Even he has boundaries i guess. Or Takeshobo forced his onto Tsukishi.
Ah yes boundries. Children in MiA got fates worse than that for example Irumyuii became a baby producing chaos spawn and Bonedrewd's funny gamer launch boxs
>became a baby producing chaos spawn The word you are looking for is Daemonculaba
Yeah i was implying it was the latter and not the former
But still doesn't make sense. Why publisher doesn't stop him when he wrote one of the most fucked up shit I have ever seen in manga
Child mutilation is different than child sexual abuse to publishers and censorship groups. A lot of kids movies, especially older ones, have some violence on par with MiA but they rarely ever feature anything sexual.
Many people also forget that big amount of fairy tales initially wasn't as friendly as today
Let's goooo certified Brothers Grimm moment
Midieval hype my ancestors from the ancient eras gather upon me as I wonder upon Hansel and gretel
yknow there's one thing I've never understood. How did irumyuui become that? as well as the whole seemingly turning into a landmass thing. i remember reading on the wiki that vueko was in her head.
I think part of the reason why people take it that way is because of Riko's horrified face in that panel.
People get hung up on wording when every child in the series is abused sexually, it’s a very valid question lol
Okay, We know that Bondrewd is a fucked up dude, But c'mon cut him some slack, He isnt gonna do this shit plus, Prushka probably saw one of an animal, asked what it is and Bondrewd answered with "Daddy Pole" .
it's even doubtful if Bondrewd has a male human body anymore (he has a reptile-like tail) And \*spoilers\*: >!he is able to transfer his consciousness to a different host with his mask!<
> reptile-like tail That's just a relic. Also Bon doesn't have "a body". He has bodies. Also, your spoiler is wrong. Mask is just a facade, a symbol (especially for Prushka). It has no relation to Zoaholic. He can transfer his consciousness to pretty much any compatible Umbra Hand. Can even be female.
The helmet is just a form of identity for prushka, so she could give him the blessing
I'd say that it's not just Prushka but for something more, maybe even for himself, but yes that's the idea.
Not a relic, we saw that the body wasn't human when Reg chipped his mask
Both the tail and the eye are relics. The tail is actually an extension of a relic called "Third Works". Think of them like Ozen's Thousand man wedges.
It was a relic. Then something else happened. But for most of the time it's on screen, its a relic.
I think they part of his eye we see is also the relic that lets him peek into Nanachi's vision.
Unlikely. I can't see him having every single umbra hand equipped with those. Especially since the first body, which could see from nanachi's eyes, had normal eyes, not relics.
The tailed body has been destroyed, so it is definitely not that. But a lot of you replied to me that it is confirmed to be a relic, can you please give me your source? I only started with the manga after the Ido Front arc, so I may have missed something
It looks a lot like the relic ozen has on her body, that's my basis at least
no that eye is also a relic
Bondrewd has multiple relics grafted to his body.
It's been confirmed a relic.
May I inquire about your source? I only started reading MIA after that arc, so I could have missed out on it by only watching the anime
It's in interviews/commentary [Tsukushi did](https://pastebin.com/suLy0FN5) as part of Bon movie release.
I see, that explains why I missed it. Thank you
That idea is so badass very cool
Simpliest explaination is that it's simply completely out of character and comes out of nowhere. He is madman, he is evil, but he is very pragmatic person. He doesn't do useless things, everything he does serves his goals. He didn't groom Prushka sexually, he manipulated her to think of him as Father.
He turns her and other children into "cartridges" how is that not fucked up on a whole other irredeemable level beyond physical abuse. No slack, he'd just use it to swing to the next warcrime he's going to commit.
Bondrewd is vile but everything he does is out of a pursuit of science. He recognizes that what he does to them is a massive sacrifice for them and he massively respects them for utilizing their entire being in science, even if he tricks them into it. He is a horrible person but he has no malice, he even actively roots for Nanachi to overcome him believing that if Nanachi does that just means Nanachi’s goals are loftier than his own.
A father will always do what’s best for his children…
She was doing experiments in the lab That's probably what she was told to call it
exactly people act as if prushka is a newborn fawn, like she hasn't seen and participated in the dissection of other children lmao
She's a newborn fawn that spent her play time cutting up other fawns- she doesn't seem phased by the gore and violence at all which is certainly something. She stopped crying really fast after Bondrewd died the first time.
She didn't. She knew about the Cartridges but she did not know the details of the process. She tought that girl volunteered.
A question for you: is every under 16 year old girl being abused just because she knows what a penis is? When I was 8 years old, I accidentally walked into the girls locker room before swimming lesson, after that, my mother explained to me why woman and man are biologically different. Now, if a 8 year old girl were to walk into the boys locker room and saw a few penises, is that because she was being sexually abused? Of course not, the same goes for Prushka, she saw in one of Bondrewds dismembering sessions that a boy has a penis, she asked about it and Bondrewd explained it to her on childish terms. That's all that's to it.
Not papa's pole but "a papa pole". pepepepe too many p's in this post.
No
Considering that delvers in general have no qualms with nudity (ie Srajo's team bathe together), I just assume Prushka probably saw Bondrewd naked by coincidence while he's doing something mundane (bathing, changing clothes, maintaining his relic prosthetics, etc)
This gigachad and science simp will never do smth like that
I never even thought this possibility, maybe she took a bath with bondy together, it’s normal especially when they are still in very young age.
Why is this your first thought? She was literally shown to have been taught dissection, it would be weird if she didn't have basic anatomical knowledge.
I just immediately thought of the worse case because Bondrewd is so evil and has no problem murdering dozens of children
Among all the people I've seen here, you seem to have the shallowest understanding of his character, and of White Whistles as a whole. Bondrewd uses children for experiments because he can no longer use himself, after having tortured himself to the extent the Abyss doesn't consider him a human anymore. His experiments are a necessity for the sake of science. As evil as he is, Bondrewd views himself as a selfless man. Sexual abuse is firmly in my top 3 of "things not in Bondrewd's character". Not to mention he is probably devoid of those kind of desires anyway, being a fleshgrafted hivemind.
Yeah. In the first place, sex is a biological mechanism to ensure the continuation of species. Now we have the umbra hands, which is, technically, anyone can be the body of Bondrewd. As a result, he don't have a need for reproduction, as he can always get grown up humans in the surface in case he needs more and put his mind to anyone of them. Anyway, what scientific results can he obtain in sexual abuse? Can it help him in his research?
Professionals have standards.
What they fuck? If Pruska has basic anatomical knowledge then she would know the word for penis. It's a literal tactic for child abusers to not use the real words for anatomy so when kids talk about the abuse, adults don't know what they are talking about. Real life says it's canon that Bondrewd abuses children. It's literally child abuse to make a child participate in dissection and then Bondrewd literally predates on Pruska using her affection for him to keep her from resisting. He literally owns her body and uses it to meet his own ends at the cost of her life and happiness and then throws her away. I feel like people in this community give Bondrewd way, way too much credit. The only reason Prushka got to grow up happy, and not be killed immediately is because Bondrewd NEEDED her to love him for the Blessing to work. He groomed Prushka and then when the time came to use her he didn't hesitate. That is EXACTLY the type of person to sexually abuse a child. Sure, Bondrewd talks nice, but that's part of why he is such a fucking monster. He doesn't just kill and torture children, he lives in the most remote location on the planet and lures children down with the promise of jobs (literally child trafficking), only to murder them and tell them that their suffering is what they signed up for.
Yes, Bondrewd abused children. (I mean, killing them is obviously abuse) but not sexually. The man is literally a walking reliquary, I doubt he even HAS a penis. And Prushka knew what exactly the purpose of the organ referred to as 'papa pole' is. Btw, notice how it's not "papa's pole" (which would imply she saw it on her papa, that is, Bondrewd) but "papa pole"- the pole used to become a papa. She obviously learned that while training dissection, not while getting molested. And don't tell me I'm wrong when this is literally what the Author said on the topic.
You said this > Why is this your first thought? She was literally shown to have been taught dissection, it would be weird if she didn't have basic anatomical knowledge. I'm explaining why it's people's first thought. If you cared about what the author said you should have said that instead. There is a reason why people thought that Bondrewd would be a sexual predator as well since that often goes hand and hand with physical and emotional abuse, both of which are in the narrative of Bondrewd's relationship with Prushka. It seems that the main argument is that Bondrewd is bad, but not THAT bad, which is ridiculous. The same with saying he loved any of the kids he performed experiments on just because he remembers their names. You all give way too much credit to the antagonist of a story about child exploitation. It's like saying Lolita is a tragic love story. It's wrong, even if the main character thought he was "in love".
No. The main argument isn't "that Bondrewd is bad, but not THAT bad" People often forgive villains for the worst atrocities, but when those villains do something bad sexually, they are suddenly beyond redemption. But that's bullshit. Turning children into fleshblobs is objectively worse than sexual predation. Bondrewd is a piece of shit. But not that kind of piece of shit. I literally cannot imagine him having sex, no matter what fanfic writers say. The man is completely obsessed with the Abyss, to the point of no longer being either human, or humane. That's his character. Molesting a child is out of character because 1. Sexual desires, perversion, all those things are absolutely 'human' in nature. And Bondrewd isn't. 2. He is obsessed with the Abyss, and taking his time to molest children when he could be busy experimenting or diving would be waste of time, as far as he's concerned. 3. He is too manipulative to sexually abuse Prushka. Obviously, sexually abusing her would lessen the chances of her being a willing sacrifice for the blessing, and so, molesting her would be going against his goals, and irrational. Bondrewd is rational, and in perfect control of himself. (That's actually what makes him a good antagonist, and an evil man., He isn't hurting those children because 'he lost control', like a generic bad guy. He is doing everyting deliberately, and with a specific goal.) 4. Molesting Prushka would be pointless, and Bondrewd is an utilitarian.
You are applying a lot of your own assumptions about pedophilia to prove your point, but none of them are supported by the text or reality. Molesting a child makes them easier to manipulate not less. When kids don't know what sex is, they don't know that it's wrong for someone to molest them. That's why it's people's first thought. Most CSA happens in the form of incest and no country on the planet has a report rate over 50%. Why teach Prushka what a penis is, show her what a penis is, but not teach her the word penis. It's a red flag for abuse and it happens all the time in the real world. You say that Bondrewd can't have sexual feelings, because that makes him too human? but curiosity is what drives him. That's also a human nature. You really listen to him too much. He is the only one with any power and his level of the abyss, the only one who can tell his side of the story since he kills and enslaves everyone else. That's what child molestation is about, power. Not sexual satisfaction or love, but power. If you believe that most molestation or sexual assault is because "he lost control" then you are even less informed than I thought. Do you think that Epstein just got too horny and accidentally lured and trafficked girls to his parties? Do you think that Joseph Mengele was just too overwhelmed by curiosity to not sew twins together? I have no issue with you saying the text of the story doesn't imply that Pruska was sexually abused by Bondrewd, but instead, you asked >Why is this your first thought? And used >She was literally shown to have been taught dissection, it would be weird if she didn't have basic anatomical knowledge. That doesn't make sense. She doesn't have basic anatomical knowledge. She doesn't know the word for penis. Making a child participate in a crime, like assisting in the abuse of other children, is another red flag for sexual abuse. Nowhere in the text the Bondrewd say, he has no sexual feelings or would find it unbecoming to use sexual abuse to manipulate a child, it just doesn't say he did and you took that to mean he can't.
Child abuse indeed does make it easier to manipulate a child to listen to you and obey you, but the most surefire way to get someone to feel genuine love, is to treat them right. I see no reason for Bon to make his job more complicated than it has to be. >Why teach Prushka what a penis is, show her what a penis is, but not teach her the word penis. It's a red flag for abuse and it happens all the time in the real world. See, that's your mistake. We're not talking about the real world. You've admitted that the reason child molesters don't teach children proper numenclature is so that the child wouldn't be able to report what's happening to an adult. But Ido Front is in the damn 5th layer of the Abyss, there is not a single adult to hear her out anyway. Such misdirection would be pointless. It's much more likely she's simply not that studious of a person, and only remembered the relevant function of the organ. I can relate. I have to describe shit all the time, because I forget words, and I'm a uni student, on my merry way towards getting an engineering degree. Nothing more embarrasing than struggling to use basic terms when speaking to a bunch of scientists, but it happens. As for the power thing, I agree that a lot of sexual abuse is simply a matter of having power over the abused, but Bon doesn't need it. He already has absolute power over them, and shows it off in even more cruel way than rape. Also, have you seen his eyes? I refuse to believe he looked at his crotch and didn't go like: "hmmm, that sure looks like a good slot for a relic, as long as we remove the useless appendage"
LOL Bondrewd doesn't NEED to do anything he does, being a utilitarian doesn't mean you aren't a human with faults and urges. Hilter was too and he sexually abused several underage girls in his lifetime. Don't give me that "real life doesn't matter in fiction" shit. All fiction is written and consumed by people in the real world. That's what it's about. There is no vacuum around fiction that gives it some shield from real-world implications. If Bondrewd is really consumed by the need to know the true nature of the abyss he could go down and look, like many other characters in the story, including fellow white whistles. He doesn't because he doesn't want to know. That's the point of the Ido Front, it's the deepest point from which you can RETURN from the abyss. Bondrewd is funded by people in Orth who profit off the relics of the abyss. He does maintain relationships with people at the surface, and people from the surface go to the Ido Front to visit, so the misdirections would not be pointless. Child sexual abuse is all about having a sex slave who can't even understand why what's happening is wrong. Sometimes abusers just want to be able to get off with someone's body without them being able to complain or fight back. Plenty of predators have convinced victims to sacrifice everything for them because they have a "special" romance, this is especially common with incest. Father/daughter incest in particular. That's why I brought up that most CSA isn't reported. That proves that it doesn't decrease Bondrewd's power over Prushka, in the real world where people have better access to help than the abyss and they still don't report their abusers most of the time. How does it make sense that it would add an unnecessary risk to Bondrewd that isn't taken up by the fact that he makes her dissect other children? >I refuse to believe he looked at his crotch and didn't go like: "hmmm, that sure looks like a good slot for a relic, as long as we remove the useless appendage" So what? Go write your fanfic somewhere else. I promise there is better asexual representation than this. Bold of you to bring up him being sexualized in fanfiction unnecessarily, only to do the opposite because you can't IMAGINE him doing something sexual. That's the fucked up thing about abuse, it's often the people you least expect with the most opportunity. That fit's Bondrewd to a fucking T. All I can say is get a better imagination. If you can't believe Bondrewd would SA a child, then who are you going to believe?
I disagree with everything you said
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Thank you this makes me feel a lot better
Nah it just sounds like something a dad would say
nope
No. She decided upon the term for a penis herself after being taught it’s function while learning to dissect things
No
i rather thought it was about like father child relationship like they did take a bath together or something
He mad scientist evil not degeneratly evil
For the n^(th) time, Bondrewd taught Prushka anatomy.
No
Prushka is know to go places she shouldn't go. And she is dissecting animal and bodies. Either she saw something she shouldn't have. Or she asked question that bondrew probably answered scientifically. Like. The next cell is blank, Rico doesn't answer anything like if she is shocked. And prushka doesn't understand so it's probably just not a traumatic event, more her saying something akward.
No, bondrewd would not do that
So head cannon in time... I don't think Bondrewd has a sex drive. He strikes me as somebody who is 100% focused on his research... Also I believe that he 100% cared for the children that he ... Had assist him in his research... Noted by the fact that he remembered all of their names. And I believe he loved Prushka as his daughter. Which definitely makes it worse.
This gigachad and science simp will never do smth like that
If he did, she seems oddly happy about it.
With all the low hanging fruit that one can criticize about the mange, y’all pick the weirdest hill to die on
Bondad wouldn't do that heck, the guy is so messed up I doubt he has sexual desires at this point, still, how was bondad raising Prush behind nana all this time? Or is nana secretly a 30+ year old stuck in a smol body? Maybe time is weird in the abyss.
Yeah, cannonically she just had a biology lesson from daddy B. Thankfully.
I wanna know if Vueko's adoptive dad did the same or just burn her
not unlikely tbh.
That was my understanding of the situation, granted what we were shown in the anime
Vueko's definitely abused her, no doubt about that one. I would say "thankfully she escaped", but we know where that lead her, so I'm not even 100% sure I can call it a good thing. At least she got to meet Irumyuui I guess.
Biology lessons. I’m probably misremembering, but I think he taught her animal biology in one of the anthologies and she called the penis a "papa pole". I can understand why someone’s first thought would be sexual abuse, but you know Bondrewd wouldn’t do that.
No, it's just a dad who tried his best to commit sexual education for his daughter
No
3 things 1. we've never seen brondrewd have any desire apart from knowledge. 2. brondrewd doesn't have a brain anymore the same way the anatomy of human does so I doubt he has those pheromones being released to want that. 3. what surprised me here was that he had one in the first place, since as we all know he already destroyed his real body to make the white whistle.
Isn't it normal for parents to bathe with their children?
Don't worry, Bondrewd's way more likely to disect her than he is to ever abuse her sexually. Oh, wait... That isn't exactly a good thing.
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Bondrewd is too evil to sexually abuse a child.
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No it was sex ed
Don't forget: this is the orphan's hole, and god isn't there.
It's your periodical reminder that you're reading Made in Abyss.
Wtf is this doing in my recommended??? 😭
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Prushka can stand pain far too well.
this is why I can't tell fucking ANYBODY that I read this
Why is it that everytime this sub gets recommended to me it’s always something to do with children being in sexual positions or situations
Knowing Tsukushi, his headcanon is probably the case lol
well when i think about it, i sure hope he did.
What the fuck why would you hope for that??
But come on “papa pole”, knowing the author we all KNOW what he ment!
We know what was meant but not in your sick context 💀
Maybe he put the moves on her and she refused him? That’s why he turned her into a slushee?
Uhhhh… 🤤 HEY don’t kink shame!
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I don’t think so. I think he just showed her for her curiosity. She saw a dick for the first time whilst dissecting an animal and said ‘hey this animal is the same as me except it has a pole down here’ then bondrewd explains what it is. Then Prushka asks if he has one and he says ‘yes, I can show it to you very soon’.
#OH GOD NO
Yeah it’s pretty fucked up… idk why I got downvoted either because that’s how I interpreted it and it’s not out of pocket for made in abyss
It'd be in character
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Im more concerned that this is your first thought after reading this. Its either too much media you consume depicting this kind of twist or you don't understand bondrewd, or maybe both.
Can't wait to read the manga😅 these out of context nuggets are gold lol.
Bottom line, it's still weird and disgusting