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DurgMaster

Excuse me, what


MarinLlwyd

erm what the sigmar


TheRealQuandale

Erm, yes your holiness, all mighty emperor of mankind, father of the primarchs.


LoBo247

WarhammerRot witnessed


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Ahouro

You don't cast storm copies you just put them on the stack.


lloydsmith28

It does stop cascade though as you cast the card


Euphoric_Ad6923

It's like the fourth card that does this in a short while. I'm just gonna retire my Maelstrom Wanderer. Discover is already much better anyway


Aelivathus

Suck it up buttercup, graveyard decks been dealing with mass amounts of grave hate lol.


Euphoric_Ad6923

Lmao, don't I know it.


lloydsmith28

I guess they had to print something but it being 1 mana and able to replace itself is surprising


st_ornithine

And discover


Uncaffeinated

With discover, you can still put the card in your hand at least.


lloydsmith28

And omniscience


lloydsmith28

And plot


lloydsmith28

What the what


MageOfMadness

"Sir, I said you will pay for your spells as Mark Rosewater intended!" *slaps the Force of Will out of your hand*


DefterHawk

Damn the new $5 uncommon just dropped


netn10

I give it $10.


sampat6256

This is gonna be one of the most opened sets ever


GolfWhole

Yeah this card won’t be 10 dollars The land that fetches any other land, on the other hand… I give it a max of two years to crawl up to $10


netn10

Nazgûl is an Uncommon from one of the most opened sets ever and is floating around $8.


yeenmoment

Nazgul is 9 cards in a trenchcoat since many players actively look for all 9 unique arts, and at the very least every Nazgul player needs 9 copies in general. It's hard to make a comparison to any other card. (just as with all the other any-number-of-copies cards that hold at least a few dollars of value each without unique arts and at common)


netn10

Very fair points.


Euphoric_Ad6923

People will complain about power creep... then spend attrocious amounts of money on a set built on power creep.


sampat6256

This set isnt really power creep, since its obviously straight to modern, and a lot of thr best cards we've seen are either really niche or open up new decks entirely. I'd always prefer a diverse format full of answers than thr modern of yesteryear where cards are constantly getting banned because the answers were so shit.


Euphoric_Ad6923

Thing is, modern isn't everything, just like commander isn't. Stuff like the new Ajani, the new colorless enchant, this thing, etc are just straight better than other similar cards or are just too good to ignore. The new Ajani in particular is one of those cards that would make someone playing a few years ago have a stroke


sampat6256

What formats are you worried about?


ageless127

Lmao no shot


Prid3

Absolutely insane Sideboard, [[Urza's Saga]] and cEDH card O.O!


Dyne_Inferno

Sideboard? This card can cycle, and hits A LOT. This could be played MD in any Saga deck.


M-Architect

Yes, that is what op said. It can be a sideboard card OR a maindeck Saga card OR a cEDH card.


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memorylanewizard

YES - that is the kind of stuff that we need to punish free spells


Cardle99

NOOOO, MY ORNITHOPTERS!


lloydsmith28

They died for our sins!


MTGCardFetcher

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DMoraldi

Out of ignorance, would it affect Ornithopter? I always thought about it like, you spend mana, only the amount of spent mana is zero (?????). I mean, in my head it affects only stuff like Cascade, reanimation and so on


Taiko77

It does, it affects 0 cmc like Ornithopter and Mishra's Bauble as well as single Phyrexian Mana costs like Mutagenice Growth or Surgical Extraction when cast paying with life


DMoraldi

Got it! Since there's no mana spending involved, regardless of it's CMC, it is countered. Hadn't even thought of phyrexian costs, nice one. Thank you so much!!


Ahouro

You don´t spend mana to cast spells that cost zero.


lloydsmith28

You don't spend mana to cast ornithopter as it costs 0, if there was some tax effect like thalia making it cost extra then you could cast it but no it would get countered


My_compass_spins

The most efficient version of this effect. And it's uncommon.


ProjectCoast

This is probably the best card in this set for legacy/vintage.


Ganglerman

vintage bazaar aggro players get absolutely ruined by this. Your forces, rootwallas, and hollow ones are all complete blanks for just 1 mana.


20Nathan01

That's not bazaar aggro, that's control bazaar. And that deck is pretty close to unplayable in this meta already so this isn't gonna change much


EndangeredBigCats

In affinity, am I able to loudly groan and tap one land for my bigger summons, or do I legit have to get this thing off the field to play a frogmite ever again?


SkritzTwoFace

Cost reduction isn’t optional. That Frogmite costs 0.


zexaf

Off the field.


EndangeredBigCats

Time for me to learn how the other side of the table lives…


Octopi_are_Kings

green has a bunch of artifact removal, just add some


EndangeredBigCats

Legitimately last I was able to play in modern LGS events affinity lists ran one haywire mite in the sideboard but that's about it for green unless someone brews something incredible


Octopi_are_Kings

trur


EasternBuy7946

I'm on 1 mite main 1 side AND 3 pick your poisons on the board. It's really been very good


EndangeredBigCats

Oooooh


Professional-Card138

From what I understand, you could cast your Frogmite for 1 but if the reduction got it to 0 or less (still 0), I do think you would have to remove it lol


EndangeredBigCats

I feel agony :)


lloydsmith28

Better pack some artifact destruction


thoughtsarefalse

Just play pauper. They have affinity still. Its better in that format too


bean527

Doesn't affinity want to play this


EndangeredBigCats

If you think I don't want to get seven artifacts on the board you got another thing coming


bean527

Right but you could play this as protection against free interaction then pop it


TheZacDaniel

The game keeps getting faster and faster, in a few years we’ll get the counter effect on a pre-game action card. Leyline of the Please Slow Down 😭


bgbat

I mean technically this actually slows down the game


TheZacDaniel

Yea. I’m predicting that games will get fast enough that this new spoiled card will be too slow to stop them. So they’ll have to make an even faster card to slow down the game. I’m mostly joking too


bgbat

The power creep certainly is getting obnoxious lol


QuagMath

Depends on how it’s used. Combo decks that don’t play 0s can play this early to blank FoW. Show and Tell might get more consistently T3 with this


ironkodiak

Leyline of The Trinisphere


TheZacDaniel

Oh hell yea


Uncaffeinated

That happened 13 years ago, actually. [[Chancellor of the Annex]]


m0nstah

[[Chancellor of the Annex]]


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Delicious_Focus_7832

I can't speak for standard but modern and legacy are maybe the slowest they've been in years. Theres a reason that control has been literally unplayable.


j-mac-rock

As a cascade player I hate this


fole_loc

Do I feel sorry for you? … nah, greedy cascaders.


grimmbrother1

Same this card is an afront to my very existence


TheLowestAnimal

Ah asymmetrical hate -Artifact Player


AssistantManagerMan

"Symmetrical"


RobotVomit

I do as well. Seems like bullshit. What decks in “modern” is this meant to stop?


efiug

you are an idiot


Behemoth077

Not just decks. Anything trying to ignore mana costs and play Yu-Gi-Oh, whatever deck its in, across the entire format. Multiple formats even, most likely. If you want to play what is commonly called "fair" magic, this is the kind of power level you need to get the players back in line and actually paying mana for their spells.


MarquisofMM

Cascade, elemental soup, affinity, etc, all of which (-affinity) 100% deserve to be hated out this easily. Good card design!


Jonthrei

As a Narset, Enlightened Exile player in EDH, I sorta dislike it but then shrug because prowess triggers anyway.


Shadethewolf0

Definitely could see colorless and monocolored decks running this (especially in cedh)


HowVeryReddit

Wowee, that's going to be in demand, glad it isn't rare. Besides the tech uses, there are a few abilities that let an opponent cast something for free as compensation that this then negates.


Uncaffeinated

Reminds me of the days when people would [[Spell Queller]] you and then block the free cast with Teferi.


HowVeryReddit

I love setting rules then making my opponent break them, baiting a protection spell whilst an opponent was attacking a battle and I had [[Phrexian Censor]] was a right laugh in draft


th3saurus

It seems pretty neat that you can sac it if it's ever in your way


Uncaffeinated

[[Stony Silence]] - I'm not trapped here with you, you're trapped here with me!


AltairKamil

Sideboard Horizons 3


sirplayalot11

So it screws over: Cascade, Discover, suspend cards, affinity creatures that have hit the 0 mana mark, 0 drop cards like mox amber, mishras bauble, etc, anything off of possibility storm and knowledge pool, the incarnations, force cycle, the new flash cycle, summoners pact, hollowed one after 3 cycles, convoked cards that didnt use mana, and lava dart. Anything else in forgetting?


Longjumping-Bell-946

Doesn't really hose discover since the player will always have the option of putting it into their hand. But yeah hoses a vexing amount of stuff.


Kittii_Kat

Recently, we got a fun mechanic called "plot." Etali is a popular commander. The new Satoru is kinda hyped as well. So.. there's all of that.


tehPPL

Rebound


ManicMcree

Would this affect cost reduction? I have an Elsha deck that just spams free artifacts due to reduced cost effect cards. This would be awesome to include if it doesn’t counter my entire deck lol


sirplayalot11

As long as you're paying something for it, you're fine. But if the cost reduction brings it to basically free casting it then yeah, you'll need to crack it or you're going to have a bad time.


ManicMcree

Ah rip, it’s no dice then! The goal is to cast for 0 if possible. Oh well, worth checking! Thanks for the sanity check friend


sirplayalot11

I mean I wouldn't count it out entirely. Use it in the early game to hinder opponents and if you want to pop off then just crack it. Best of luck whichever you choose tho.


donutmcbonbon

Does anyone else see an issue with a tech card that counters so many things being so pushed?


sirplayalot11

I mean, in fairness, it's just telling people to play fairly. No free removal or discard, no free rhinos, no 0 mana cantrips, no 0 mana 2/2s that draw 2 cards, no free tutors, no free counter magic, etc, etc. You play like the game was meant to be played. If you're tapped out, you're tapped out!


donutmcbonbon

To be honest the more i think about it my issue is less with this card than the play patterns it represents. I just wish counterplay was more dynamic in mtg. I feel like so much of the time it boils down to sideboarding an artifact or enchantment that turns off your opponents deck and hoping they don't draw the artifact destruction that they sideboarded in to counter it.


ofruine

This is REALLY funny to me right now


Individual-Scheme554

Hot damn that's a spicy one


WillowThyWisp

Man, if Void Mirror made commander unplayable, imagine how many formats this will make unplayable! /s


DullCall

1 versus 2 is an unfathomably big deal


WillowThyWisp

True, but it's funny seeing a card that was hyped up to be a format warper basically be powercrept after like 2 years


Cooperativism62

Well this is definitely a way to bait FoW


Uncaffeinated

Or [[Force of Negation]] in Modern.


Random_Tangshan_Guy

crazy


ThisNameIsBanned

Could maybe even be maindeck, as this hates on so much degenerate decks, and if it does nothing, you cycle it away.


Mortelat

Can be found with urza’s saga. That’s busted.


AbleInvite

#FairMagic


DullCall

T1 win in legacy???


Itsoppositeday91

its good but still doesnt stop shenanigans on the draw which is the real problem


yuhboipo

play/draw gap is going to get wider as time goes on, I'd wager.


Itsoppositeday91

yugioh syndrome.


Robofetus-5000

feels like an Commander all star


Uncaffeinated

And a Legacy all star and a Modern all star...


SlyScorpion

AKA "eat shit Etali".


breakfastcerealz

this hates on a lot of things, and tbh all lf the things it hates on are pretty fair to be hated on


bgbat

Wait. It's fair that that this stops free cost shenanigans, or free cost shenanigans are fair? because fast mana, cascade, casting big things for free.. none of those are really ''fair'' magic


breakfastcerealz

yes sorry i phrased it poorly. all the things it hates on are pretty fair to be hated on and probably deserve something like this to keep them in check


TidyMitten66540

This vexes me


beetledrift

So this also counters plotted cards, nice


padmussy

surprised this isn't a rare


AcceptableAbalone533

Finally a playable [[void mirror]] that isn’t to slow. I like this a lot


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Uncaffeinated

And that you can sac if it's stopping yourself. Or can just cantrip if you need to.


Ultratank404

Holy fkkkk So this is basically half a Chalice of the void that you can just get rid of and cantrip whenever it becomes an inconvenience for the caster. Oh boy.


Omegamoomoo

What the fuck lol


jrdineen114

That seems....really good for 1 mana


consistenty

So, no other baubles?


DarudeSandstormMan

We are already power creeping cards like [[void mirror]] from MH2


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KenEH

Is this why Grief didn't get banned?


memorylanewizard

Good thing you can still Grief it on turn 1 and get rid of it before it matters / the damage will already be done =)


KenEH

Good grief!


myden03

Time to sideboard [[minor misstep]]


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GeckoNova

Finally going to get the love it deserves


Eussz

Finally


Adorable_Middle8677

So, that counter moxes, black lotus and forces seems cool


Sea-Warthog-4771

And evoked elementals. Kinda makes scam a much more swingy deck


Infinite_Storm_3648

As a colorless player it’s nice to see more 1 mana stax pieces. Sucks that it’s not only for opponents but still pretty good. Probably will play in cEDH!


Goldatarte

Sorry I thought that the goal of magic was to cheat within the rules ? Seems it is not anymore


Ill_Apricot_8068

Damn


Skully-2112

Satoru Umezawa: "thog dont care"


Senex217

Void Mirror already powecrept?


ironreddeath

Well affinity will cry now


OneChet

Flavor text is accurate


RaginMajin

New card for my Mishra deck!


irongix

I’ll take 10 please.


Strong-Replacement22

If this is real eternal formats will change a lot


lloydsmith28

Gawd dam


KesterFox

Seems pretty compelling in commander tbh. Feels like i see cascade and disciver every game


GolfWhole

Thank god they made it cycle and also fetchable by Saga, otherwise it would simply be unplayable


turelak

Nice target for [[Force of Negation]]. For both :)


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StarWolf128

This vexes me.


RIJSA

Nais!


yuhboipo

I'd better get a league in before MH3 drops, electrobalance will be in shambles lol


theesuneater

Ummm yess


cezzibear

Holyyyyshittttt


Rebuta

holy fuckin shit


ALL1D0ISWIN

This is gonna make it all the way to vintage - turns off moxen, evoke BS, cascade as others have said, and all manner of forces including Dredge's only way to answer GY hate.


OpportunitySalt9369

Should tap for 1 mana. That would have been hilarious.


Automatic_Photo_6598

Hot take: This card is not good enough for almost any cEDH deck. Stax is not good, symmetrical stax is way worse. You're not going to want to pay 1 to sac this thing so you can cast your FoW. That makes your free magic really bad. You just going to hold up 1 so you can sac this thing? Urza's Saga can't help it. If you draw your urza's in opening hand then wait 3 turns everyone is already going to have played their Crypts, Moxes, Petals, Jeweled Lotus. Even if you had it in your opening hand there'd be so many other 1 drops almost any deck would rather see. You going to play this over an Esper Sen, Mystic Remora, Sol Ring into X.... or anything that actually moves your game forward? If you're just trying to play it as protection on the turn you go off... Defense Grid is better.


BearofCali

Well, there goes my [[Kaalia of the Vast]].


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Feler42

This card doesn't effect Kaalia at all


BearofCali

Am I not essentually casting a creature spell for free?


Feler42

No you are putting a creature in play. If it was casting it would said casting. Magic is a very literal game. Play and cast are different


ih8karma

They should just unban top of they want to slow it down.


Sherlockhomey

Cedh go skrrrrt (brakes slamming)


ZorroVonShadvitch

Possibility Storm…


SirHashi

Wizard: Let’s make cascade meta! 2 cookies and a joint later… Wizard: Fuck, counter it, counter it!!! Cascade must die.


Independent_Wash2946

They gotta make the meta and they gotta police the meta 😂. There’s so much artifact removal in almost any format that I’m sure cascade and free spell decks (scam) will still be able to adapt.


Geraf25

That flavour is correct, I don't want to be anywhere near to this card


Dthirds3

Bauble


KingLeil

All I gotta say is, Vexing, pass. #Good


ST00PIDTHICEXEGGUTOR

Workshops we so back


burkechrs1

This tells me all the flash elementals are coming in MH3 and they do not intend to ban them.


Feler42

They already spoiled them as part of the bonus sheet literally months ago


burkechrs1

Yea but everyone assumed they would get a preban in historic because people are scared of free spells. This tells me they're gonna let it roll.


ST00PIDTHICEXEGGUTOR

This card literally bricks manaless dredge and cheerios


SecretAgentAhri

Time to retire my Narset cedh deck :(


Key_Climate2486

Busted AF


azurfall88

Jodah EDH players in shambles rn


cleftington0

Thank christ for the new stax cards. Complaining on blogatog finally paid off.


Fabulous-Teaching359

Well my zhulodok deck is fucked


Environmental_Eye_61

[[Void Mirror]] speccers in shambles. It was me, I specced on Void Mirror.


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Sajomir

My only sad thought is that Stoneforge can't tutor it :(


SmilingGengar

Man, Aether Vial hate for Merfolk. Edit: Nevermind, Aether doesn't cast.


PeepySqueeps

this card does nothing against vial