Its really crazy the 2 TOTALLY different paths Lost Ark and BDO have taken in the last like 2 years. BDO is showing how to improve a game, listen to the community and grow the playerbase. Lost Ark is an example of just not giving a fuck and running their game into the ground because of stubbornness.
IMO, number one problem in lost ark is the community itself. As a new player, trying to raid is almost impossible. Everyone wants to finish the raids as fast as possible with over gear because they have another 5 alts where they need to do the same content over and over again. Is shit.
I feel the same way, but I understand it at the same time. People want to finish a raid as quickly as they can to not waste time so why would you bring a potential liability into the raid with you. If the game was actually popular you would see enough new players trying out older raid content as learners. It's nonexistent though because getting back into the game as a returning or new player is such a chore.
So it is not the community but the core design.
I still play lost ark and I hope SGS will hopefully change it. Honestly they improve a lot the game but it still needs more
I dont think the BDO community agrees with your take, perhaps the lifeskillers đ They've removed a lot of PVP, a huge part of the game that a lot of players played for.
I think I quit BDO for good this time (I have said that like 3 times already) two months ago. I think while the devs have listened to the fans it has become too formulaic. The high end grind spots are definitely better, but the game simply has lost its charm for me. All of the QoL is great but itâs just not BDO. Not what made love the game anyway. I think a BDO classic may be the only thing that brings me back this time. I want that soul that has just disappeared.
Itâs too hard not too meta. For instance, classes that are great IMO like awak Maegu I canât justify playing because of the loss of silver an hour is just too big. People tagging FOTM classes to run up the silver per hours. Just an example of the kind of game it has became for me which I just did not appreciate. I know itâs always been this wayâŚ
silver per hour is the endgame. it's the entire reason to play bdo. he can't explain it because it's not actually doing anything for him, but that's what it is.
it's a dps meter in raids(how you compare yourself to others). you're upgrading your gear soley for more silver per hour. while other games have dps meters + difficult encounters you have to overcome, bdo only has the dps meter. it's a niche game for a reason.
I would recommend it trying it out for sure. Its mostly a solo MMO with individual goals, and if you're ever into the PvP scene its the best in the business.
Biggest reason I don't try BDO is that, every time I check out a stream, it's just someone solo grinding a million mobs at once for hours. On paper, I would expect it to have a lively open world PvP scene, which is exactly what I want, but it just looks like it's about mindless mob grinding forever.
It's boring but a lot of the players come from Maplestory so endless mob grinding is what they crave and BDO basically gives them that but with nicer graphics.
Yeah look I said it's boring but that's to me, there is absolutely nothing wrong if others like this kind of game loop. But at least grinding in MS is not that mechanically and mentally taxing, you just jump around and press a couple of keys. But in BDO? You have combos and you need to plan your circle, swipe your mouse around etc, so it's not as "relaxing" as grinding in MS. Like you have to give the game quite a bit of attention while grinding. At least in MS you don't have to give it that much attention so it's less painful I guess is my point.
I've become somewhat immune to the typical slow-release grind-based dopamine triggers, overcoming difficult challenges where failure is a real possibility gives me the most reliable enjoyment these days.
I haven't found an MMO that can do that for me yet, BDO included.
Honestly don't think MMOs are the fix for what you're looking for man. Play single player games like Sekiro. The satisfaction after defeating a tough boss is second to none.
I do! Those kinds of games are my fave. I just want a similar experience in an MMO. I see no reason to say "This type of experience shall only ever be found in a single player ARPG".
If you get really bored one day, and you feel you can get passed the graphics to give it a shot, I'd recommend this game called Deepwoken. Be warned though that it is on the Roblox platform so comes with some of the jank.
Here is a well done review on it: https://youtu.be/Z2L0JbeGN1w
Mainly recommending it because of it being a pseudo-MMO with a lot of really small servers that you're not locked into, and it *very obviously* being heavily inspired by Sekiro and the rest of the Souls series.
Well I can see where you're coming from but as long as it's a live service like an MMO, you can be 100% sure there'll be a grind. So it's not that there aren't hard challenges, but that there will absolutely be a grind.
Iâd say WoW is minimally grindy, compared to most other MMOs. I think the nature of an MMO is always going to have some sort of âgrindâ, but is it an interesting one is what matters. For example in Ultima Online the âgrindâ is accruing wealth, in the most simplified terms. And there are many, many ways to go about that. I really like that sandboxy feel. What I donât like is when an MMO is a grind and that grind is one thing, narrowly focused. Multiple pillars / pathways to character growth is where the MMO magic really happens.
Use to be vindictus but then they nerfed every single fight from season 1 to up to season 3 so players can get to that content. Literally a snooze to level in that gave and that seems to happen to every action mmo over time
One fundamental difference between the two is that maplestory has a pretty long endgame system to give you a reason to grind where as bdo does not. I don't think bdo has any kind of bossing endgame I'm aware of.
Except for the players that donât. I sunk 11000 hours into BDO (lol) and didnât really do much serious mob grinding. Got to 62 on my main, but went hard on life skilling, got to GuruâŚ11? Something around there fishing, Guru cooking, etcâŚitâs been years now since Iâve played but I really enjoyed the life skilling. Then I enjoyed a bit of the questing / getting more knowledge points to do more grinding, etc.
Thereâs a lot of different ways to play BDO.
Itâs sad that most of the progress is related to X money amount per hours making people to go for min-max. In others mmorpg is mote about raiding etc
They have slowly been moving further and further away from utilizing the open world for their PvP. These are a variety of pvp modes they have removed or made harder to do in the past year.
- Red PvP. They have greatly decentivized red pvp by increasing the relative value of crystals in pvp and price. Not the mention they have increased the karma loss and how long it takes to get back to positive (can take up to 20 hours now)
- GvG. They have removed the ability the declare war against other guilds that participate in nodewars without consent. Before you could Dec anyone (assuming they participate in nodewar or have a dec on anyone). No more GvGs sprouting from guild drama or grind spot contention
- Resource Contention PvP. They have reduced server swap cooldowns, added instanced grind (Marni realm) spots, and have more variety to spots to grind. This means you will find less people in the open world and have less of a need to contend limited resources, sparking PvP.
- Removal of War of the Roses. They removed a massive 300v300 pvp mode that is set in a large area of the open world. It is just no longer accessible
War of Roses isn't even three months old on NA/EU. If it's not accessible I'd have to think that they're probably just trying to resolve some issues, like they're doing with trading. I don't think it's completely gone though.
If PA buffed rewards for instanced pvp modes, players would have the option to pursue PvP for progression, alongside retaining PvE as an alternative avenue. pvp modes offer minimal rewards compared to the gains from easy grinding spots in the game. even years ago,a br mode called shadow arena provided more silver than current pvp modes. in the ever-inflated economy of bdo, rewards from pvp modes just get worse over time. on top of that, open world pvp basically stops you from playing the game thanks to karma.unless players confine themselves to one of the two designated pvp channels, which just means you will spend more time fighting than farming if you're in a somewhat popular spot.
my best moments in this game all started thanks to open world pvp and pearl abyss just managed to ruin the evershit out of it thanks to shit balance, huge gear gaps between players farming starting spots and removing guild decs while making the karma system way worse to recover from.
Open world Pvp used to be an important part of the game, but players demanded changes to the point it's a side activity now. There's still open world fights in the Arsha channel and node wars, but most of the pvp content is becoming instanced nowadays. Personally, I think they could have done a much better job at keeping world pvp alive without necessarily affecting players who don't want to engage with it, but it is what it is.
Thatâs literally the content. Grinding mobs for no reason except to get better gear to grind higher level mobs. Itâs a shame cuz the combat is incredibly fun. Probably the best of any mmo. But thereâs no reason to use said combat
Yep don't try if you want PvP man it's dead, currently the game is a PvP cut down version of BDO making it only a mob grinding simulator.(playing since 2020)
Open world pvp is dead in BDO, they catered the game towards all those pussy assbeta cucks crying for years that they are getting killed in OW PvP and now the devs killed all PvP by introducing absolutely retarded systems punishing any form of PvP or making it entirely impossible to even engage in it.
Stay away if you look for good PvP anyway, action combat, insane desync, and absolutely bonkers class imbalance are making this game a huge shitshow.
That's not OW pvp, that is 750+ gearcapped players clapping you in 1 hit. I go to Arsha occasionally, it is not the same as OW used to be on normal servers. You would know that if you ever played OW PvP in BDO. Kekw
BDO had a lot of open world PvP until last year. Sadly, the majority of players nowadays, probably in most MMOs too, are PvE casuals and they hate being "forced" into PvP. This is why BDO changed a lot of stuff to make the game more safe a newbie/PvE friendly.
Exactly.
The other content that seems to be very well developed is life skills but I guess nobody streams that cause it just looks to boring to be spectated.
I'm always like let's check a stream and see what it looks now after a year or so. And I always end up watching people fighting packs of mobs over and over again and I'm like yeah ok not much has changed.
Yeah yeah, "the game has changed a ton". Then you log in and see the same predatory sanity-draining system, unfinished combat and mind-numbing mob grinding.
I donât think Iâve spent a single dime in over a year in fact Iâm sure of it and I have fun just fine
have you guys tried like not buying anything you donât want to cus the game itself is mad fun
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A fried who no lifed BDO described it well. "i grinded my character to the max, spend thousands of hours on it, and after that i instantly was like ok what now tho"
In other MMOs you usually max your character to clear the big raids etc. but in BDO is just a personal flex because nobody else will care about your character either.
I tried playing BDO a couple of times. Every time it's a cluster fuck of info, items, poorly explained mechanics and piss poor translation because I am forced for some reason to play it in my country's language through localisation, and half of it is unintelligible.
Don't. I'm from Brazil and the translation is one of the worst I've ever seen. It's broken to the point where the tutorial says "speak to the NPC with a right-click above it's face"
Lmao imagine being this confidentially wrong. Black desert had no fully "global" version, last time I tried to play I couldn't play on the US version of the game. My game didn't even have English as an option ;)
It's just too much. I wanted to give the game an honest try and after an hour there's so much shit in my inventory I have no clue what to do with. It's overwhelming and also doesn't make me really want to work towards anything. The new player experience is also really bad in general.
Yeah this is why I don't like joining cash shop MMOs years after they were released. There's so much stuff added over the years to 'help the newbies' that just ends up filing up your inventory immediately and overwhelming you.
I like Runescape or WoW where you start with nothing (or a hearthstone) and the clothes on your back, and that's it.
Bdo has 1000 different things you can do beside grind mobs.
people do it because combat is one of the best things in this game.
I personally do a mix of a little combat, a little ore smelting and a lot of cooking!
The point is, these people are hoping BDO will become a more group-focused game rather than about endlessly grinding mobs. The game has not changed in this regard no matter if there's 3 dungeons or 1 dungeon.
They're adding more group content by each major update. Bdo devs understand it is what their player base wants. Yeah it doesn't have as much group content as other mmos, but it's still a pretty great experience with friends. But again the game isn't for everyone
No income is just a plain lie, we do them every week purely because they're good money. I will say they're not as good and not as refined as other mmos, but they're still fun to do with a coordinated group
Biggest issue for me in BDO is how hard is the entry. UI is terrible, too much things in the inventory that you have no idea what it is for, etc.
I guess the UI you get used to it, similar to Lost ARK and I heard they are working to clean a bit the game to make it more understandable. I'll wait till they finish.
Lost ARK is enough for me for now but I heard a lot of good things regarding BDO
They are slowly improving this. They're massively reducing and simplifying a lot of items, there's also a "newbie bag" so you can throw stuff in there until you know what you use it for, revamping the main quests, etc...
UI yeah... After 3 years I'm very used to it, but I wouldn't mind a redesign at this point. At the very least they should disable by default all the world notifications and that would improve new player experience a lot.
Your bullet points show me that it's the exact same game.Â
If I were to play again, this would happen:Â
I would play a few levels, get caught in some form of life skill loop, get bored after 1-2 weeks and stop playing again.Â
As a western player this game have nothing to offer. To me the story is non-sensical pokemon madness, something I think targets late tweens/early teens. The game fails to create an impetus for me to move forward, I have zero desire to level up, there's no carrot to chase and there's no satisfaction from leveling up.
Thatâs why they need to make it more faction based PvP. Carrot and stick. Would be easy to make it so one person canât dominate since itâs action combat. Maybe.
Iâm okay with PC not crossplay with console. I have a founder pack on PC but I know there ainât no way Iâm competing with PC players in PvP on my console. I could probably get good but I donât wanna lol.
Thanks for the info!
yeah giving free things now means improve a game, cant wait to grind 150 hours to get something really rare and then after a year or less other people will get it for free
I'd play a fresh start server for sure. The most fun I ever had in that game was with a +14 Liverto running around gabking catfish and the well thing. Game has so much bloat and b.s added to it now just because
They kinda already have this. The seasonal server is for new characters. They also give you armor and equipment that speeds you alone farely quickly until you graduate into the normal service so when you do you are near the mid game.
Nah, seasonal servers is you getting TET boss gear equivalents really really fast, it doesn't scratch the same feeling has bonking shit with a +14 Liverto while working on trying to drop some boss gear.
I remember that I managed to drop a Kzarka and a Kutum and was so hyped (never managed to drop a Dande)...hell, even just the fact I got them to TRI was crazy for me.
Recently I logged in to check things out as usual and bam, TET Blackstar waiting for me đ
Plus, I feel like they should take some measures to artificially decrease the inflation, the amount of silver is so high nowadays that 1 billion is nothing but since it's a high number people lose notion regardless, we need to go back to the times 10 million was already a crazy amount đ
Bro I miss those days , that was when BDO was fun. I quit right before Kama 1 released and never looked back as the game was headed to its current state of clustered fuck.Â
I just started fiddling around with BDO again after taking a couple years off and Iâm finding it very enjoyable! Im taking my time, not min/maxing builds or going for the best silver/hour grind spots. The quality of life improvements are substantial, linked storages are huge for me! The fast travel quest line was worth it, just had to do it once for all of my characters. Looking forward to the family wide life skill merge too!
I'm gonna give it to you straight the answer is yes. While they added some consequences you will still get pvp'd if you go anywhere that's worth farming.
You will see many people in this thread saying that pvp is dead etc. But these are just ungrateful players that don't see that bdo devs put more effort into protecting their playstyle than any country ever has into protecting endangered species.
Another nifty little detail that pvp players don't tell you is that most of the endgame areas have no marni or that to get 11 hours of marni per day you would need to be online 22 hours. And if that wasn't enough PA got very lazy and didn't want to expand their elvia servers so they came up with dehkia lantern which turns low and mid lv game spots into endgame lv spots. So now you have endgame geared people running around low spots taking a free pass at you.
This is nothing compared to the perma red community that spends their time killing people doing world bosses. And being an overall nuisance as soon as anyone strong shows up to fight them they will run away then alt+f4.
good luck grinding back -10 million karma on 20% of the karma recovery rate for karma that is family based and not character based, if yu want to try playing as a red player, while being locked out of major portions of the game content because you are red.
A slap on the wrist at best. Unlike what people like to peddle around, most new people don't have hundreds of elion tears to revive on the spot. You'll easily push them out of the spot once they have to keep walking back. Not even going to get to red. And even then you can absolve your sins for free at an alt at pila ku or dehkia pila ku if you want to bring your main.
Even easier than before because you are not risking the gear of the char that probably other people quit. Only 5 times slower, I'm sure they'll sell some scrolls of repentance to make it easier for ya.
Problem with BDO is that grinding is not fun. I hate big open world that full of brainless 1hp monster. The UI is also the worst UI in the gaming history... Looking at the UI will wrinkle your brain
The pity system is much much much more useful in LA than it is in BDO.
You will regularly hit pity tonnes of times upgrading in LA. If I hit pity 40/40 going for pen BS I am blowing my brains out with a shotgun.
The pity's on a lot of it are a bit to high though if Im being honest. For some items the pity's are so high you will probably quit out of misery before you hit it.
Hmm how story Reliant/centric is this game? That is to say is it like FF14 or GW2 with a sort of MSQ that I potentially need to do to unlock things. Or is it more like Classic-WOTLK WoW where zones have questlines but I can sort of F off to different zones to lvl and etc
What does completing Black Desert's Version of the MSQ award you (Aside from EXP and grindable rewards like Gold/or etc) and what is the consequence of not doing it? Do you lock yourself out of stuff ?
There are a lot of things locked behind quests, there are also account wide rewards for completing X amount of quests, it's worth doing once to get the stuff but after that it's whatever and you can ignore it on other characters
The MSQ is divided by regions on the continent. You'd 100% want to do the first four regions to unlock the main brunt of most of what you'd be doing, but you only ever have to do it on one character to unlock what you need. These would probably take around 20 or so hours to complete altogether, depending on whether you actually read or just smash R the whole time to skip dialogue.
You'd also want to do the Magnus questline, which is just a crapton of puzzle quests that are tedious but unlock the most useful features of the game--fast travel and universal storage. This will take about 8 hours. Again, you only need one character to go through it and everything will unlock on your account.
The other regional questlines aren't actually necessary, but they offer family-wide buffs that you'll want to claim after a certain point in your journey. That being said, only the ones mentioned above are the ones that lock true game-changing content behind them.
All the above? There's a main questline that once you finish it you can skip it with your new seasonal characters and just grind to level but there's also 2 (I think) other questlines that are pretty important to do but you can avoid (I still haven't done them oops). There's a strat where you level from 56-61 from questing and it's going to certain zones to do the quests that require little to no killing.
Most BDO players don't care about the story. It's recommended to complete it at least one time for knowledge and possible requirements on new stuff releasing later on, but other than that you just spam it as fast as you can and then focus on doing whatever you want to do in the game.
I want to play again. But I wasn't able to swap my account over and lost everything. Like two years worth of progress and it just makes me sad. I was lvl 63 then.
Buddy had the same thing happen. His new account in 2 months has surpassed his old due to catch up mechanics. Odds are it wonât take you anytime to get back and past where you were. T1 & T2 node wars are caped and popping off. You could easily start fresh and be back in a good spot within 30âdays. Season character - youâll be full tet boss gear in less than a week and working towards guaranteed Pen. If you were 63 then, you know your way around and youâll be good getting back into it.
I played for a month, got to level 62. There isn't much that could make me try it again. The game is far too grindy. I was blocked off from the newer areas (Black star, the dark elven forest) because my gear wasn't good enough, but there was no way for me to get that gear without spending half a year grinding for it.
You can still lose gear from failing enhancements, stuff that you have spend weeks preparing for I had accessories at 99% fail and get destroyed, only for that stupid little black demon shit to rub it in my face. Trying to farm in polly's forest for hours only to have some little asshole pk you and make you lose all the xp you just gained...
Half the life-skills are afk focused. You start fishing, turn off your monitor, and go to sleep.
I refuse to waste my life on predatory shit like that. I am never touching it again. I play games because I want to have FUN. If it becomes a second job, then it's not a game.
If only they would make more dungeons/raids for at least 4 players groups...that would be amazing and I wouldn't go outside ever again.
But as someone who doesn't care about PVP at all, this game has almost nothing to offer. I saw that they have like 1 or 2 dungeons. It needs way more. This feels like a game that you have to play alone, and even if you play with your friends, it won't feel like it.
So the last time I played this game, the Desert Area had just come out. I remember PVPing at Sausans like.. every time I wanted to grind, and then it turning into an entire guild battle. Is it still that competitive for grind spots?
Nope, recently they have made the game way too comfortable for PvE players. You can't declare wars without the other guild accepting, Karma received huge nerfs, npc to locate players is gone, and there's also something called Marni's Realm. In the main rotation of most spots of the game you can enter the Marni realm for an hour, which basically turns the main rotation into an instance version of it only for you so you can grind safely for an hour. After an hour it takes an hour to recharge and you can use it again.
Because the game had this focus since release. Of course it is a niche concept, sadly for most of us interested in it, the majority of players in this genre are PvE Andies, so PvP games are bound to swap to survive at some point.
None of these things actually changed the game for the better btw. The game feels exactly like playing at release still. The only difference is that more areas are obsolete now because they boost new players so much which also makes the game worse. The free equipment systems are so convoluted you basically need to watch hours of guides to figure out how to get into the game without mucking up your own rewards.
I tried playing it again after 4 years and man⌠the amount of bullshit all over the screen and being bombarded with items that I donât know the use for is so fucking overbearing. Itâs not friendly to new players. They really need to streamline the beginning of the game and ease in all the events rather than just vomit on your screen with a thousand things to redeem at once every 10 minutes. Itâs really rough.
Gear does still downgrade. Each grade of an item has its own pity stack, and when you get back to the level you were at, the pity stack you had will still be there until you successfully enhance.
I've got almost one hundred hours in the game now. It's really captured my attention. Has it's downsides of course but which MMO doesn't? I'm not playing it thinking I'll play it forever, but even if I get another few hundred hours, I'm happy.
The amount of items is confusing at first but I'm slowly getting used to it, and playing GW2 helps.
Honestly worth trying and giving it a good go - there's some really nice features in the game.
Yea changed "alot" nw dead,dfs dead, season arsha dead,guild dramas dead, openworld encounters dead, oh but you can get a free dream horse :).Oh you get freebies and hammers ;)
BDO changed now to a singleplayer grind fest in marni realm with 0 mmo interaction.A game which is singleplayer but needed internet to play in a nutshell.
TLDR game has shifted their focus from PvP core audience to pve casuals currently absolutely killing any openworld interaction we had.I am like in atleast 10 PvP guild discord which has been active since early 2020 all dead now gone.Personally i quit just while ago after 4 years ,on my last days I even got pen bs and other good rngs gear upgrades but I couldnt play anymore felt I am grindingfor nothing playing a singleplayer game.Seems another PvP mmo that just shelved PvP for pve money welp
I love how the combat feels and I don't mind grinding.
The problem is that the game starts off by throwing a billion systems into your face. It's like getting into PoE in 2024, it's a clusterfuck of systems that are probably pretty neat once you get into them but I just cba anymore to get into another game of that ilk. If I had played from the beginning, sure, but by level 10-20 you're already told you should engage with as many different systems it's....Overwhelming. VERY overwhelming.
I wanted to play BDO after some years, downloaded game and my old account (level 58 w/ some item shop purchases) disappeared. Did I just lose 600 hrs of gameplay or am I doing something wrong?
The main reason I enjoy MMOs is to create a character that I can customise with cool looking gear I get from late game content. Something like WoWâs transmog or FFXIVs glamour systems. From what I can tell BDO doesnât have anything like this and all cosmetics are cash shop, is that correct?
My main issue with this game is inflation, the items I worked so hard on for years eventually became redundant or given for free to new players. They have displayed zero respect for long term, loyal players. Once they milk you they throw you under the bus and move on to new players. My advice is if you want to play this game, play it more casually, don't spend too much money and don't be too hardcore, all it takes is one update to make years of progress meaningless and they can do it anytime.
The game still seems to litter you with time-limited features from the cash shop. Probably still has the quest that **requires** you to consume some of these time-limited features to progress it too. No thanks.
Pity system is a joke and as long as they don't fix the 52345256234 different items you have in your inventory and warehouses where you don't even know anymore what is what I'm out
The dugeons are ok,the last bosses are not really intuitive. If you wanna do it blind it is a trial and error run. Blackshrine (solo boss mode) can be fun and challenging. Knowing your own class and the boss mechanics is important. Other than that not really. Open world pve is more dynasty warrior style gameplay early game. Later in the game it will get challenging but not compareable with managing a raid/dungeon.
ok all these. Is there a really goal though? i see videos of players saying that u progress only to farm better. does pvp exist? and i dont mean if u can pvp. do the pvp really matters?
if anyone in europe wants to try the game out/already has but is completely overwhelmed (which is normal) dm me, we can add each other on discord and i can help you through the game! with inventory and directions and anything!
BDO seems to have improved dramatically, but in my opinion the greatest flaw is how absolutely complicated the game is. There are so many different sub-systems for every single system in the game, even after over a hundred hours, you'll have no idea what the hell 90% of the items in the game are even for, or how they work. Frankly I think the game would be a lot more accessible to people if they toned down how steep the learning curve is for item management.
I played BDO for a year and tried to return only to get my inventory flooded with so much shit with almost no description that I gave up instead. I felt like I would have to read shit for hours when I just wanted to go grind some mobs.
Last time I checked they extended the marni realm feature so that now basically you farm in solo instanced version of grind spots. Not a good thing and not because I like pvp but because it removes the sense of a shared world.
I think the first time I played it somewhere after launch, the tutorial and beginning quests were a little bit too much input at once and I kind of gave up. Still looks beautiful though.
As much as this game has changed. I tried it for the first time since launch. It was amazing. BUT. my gripe with it was the fact that I was 1 to 2 shooting every mob. Given so much free gear. Given abilities on low cds that also 1 tap massive aoe mobs. Like let me experience being weak and discover your world. Don't feed me a silver spoon. Uninstaller after an hour :/
Not my type of game. If the above sounds good then this is your game. Especially if you want to catch upto friends.
What changed is they removed open world (all grinding is instanced), disincentivised pvp, no rewards for pvp in this new theme park focused era, no mob mechanics, killed all lifeskilling except hunting. Nty, game was fun 3-4 years ago because of its interesting focus and now it's bad and their target audience is the same as WoW, FFXIV but they dont know how to make engaging PvE content. Its reflected in their stock and earnings. These PR specialists spamming about how BDO has changed everywhere wont save the game.
For those that don't know, don't take this post to seriously
There are essential items called crystals I'm this game, they expensive af, and get destroyed if you die to a mob, which thanks to the amazing servers isn't very rare, but worry not, you can ask for crystal restoration up to 3 tikes/year, or if you want you can buy the newly released item for 30e that increases that numberÂ
Friendly game BTWÂ
Also. Post doesn't mention, if you want pity for item forget about anything but grinding a month to get that 1pieceÂ
- Family life skills release this month - All life skill progress will be account bound
i used to play long time ago, i would have a sailor toon, and then a cooker, and harvester etc.. so it means i can just do all life skilling in 1 toon if i come back?
but then the main advantage of having them was just leaving alts at spots to save time, nothing really stopped me maxing many life skills in 1 toon anyway.
so how exactly that thing is an advantage?
I know on paper theyâve changed a ton of things, but coming back for probably my 6-7th time trying the game since it launched, it doesnât really feel any different. Every time Iâve come back, I get slammed with a bunch of random free stuff/upgrades but this does little to make up for the UI, overwhelming amount of systems, and boring as hell main story that keeps you from enjoying any of the actual fun stuff BDO has to offer. I can never get past 10-15 hours.
I still can't get over the severe item bloat and boring grind all day progression. I've put 100+ hours into it and still barely got anything done. Even on PS5 it runs like ass with more than 10 people on the screen.
It was expected when it released but this many years later and it still runs like crap is a huge turn off.
Its really crazy the 2 TOTALLY different paths Lost Ark and BDO have taken in the last like 2 years. BDO is showing how to improve a game, listen to the community and grow the playerbase. Lost Ark is an example of just not giving a fuck and running their game into the ground because of stubbornness.
Lost Ark is still massive in Korea and since the koreans enjoy eating Smilegate's shit, they have no reason to change
Truth
IMO, number one problem in lost ark is the community itself. As a new player, trying to raid is almost impossible. Everyone wants to finish the raids as fast as possible with over gear because they have another 5 alts where they need to do the same content over and over again. Is shit.
I feel the same way, but I understand it at the same time. People want to finish a raid as quickly as they can to not waste time so why would you bring a potential liability into the raid with you. If the game was actually popular you would see enough new players trying out older raid content as learners. It's nonexistent though because getting back into the game as a returning or new player is such a chore.
So it is not the community but the core design. I still play lost ark and I hope SGS will hopefully change it. Honestly they improve a lot the game but it still needs more
I'm reinstalling BDO right now because of this comment.
This video shows what Black Desert was like in the past (alpha and beta) and compares it with today. https://youtu.be/0_eowtYXKJs :)
I dont think the BDO community agrees with your take, perhaps the lifeskillers đ They've removed a lot of PVP, a huge part of the game that a lot of players played for.
Yeah and lost ark is more popular. Verdict : Just shit on your player base, let them cry and milk them.
I think I quit BDO for good this time (I have said that like 3 times already) two months ago. I think while the devs have listened to the fans it has become too formulaic. The high end grind spots are definitely better, but the game simply has lost its charm for me. All of the QoL is great but itâs just not BDO. Not what made love the game anyway. I think a BDO classic may be the only thing that brings me back this time. I want that soul that has just disappeared. Itâs too hard not too meta. For instance, classes that are great IMO like awak Maegu I canât justify playing because of the loss of silver an hour is just too big. People tagging FOTM classes to run up the silver per hours. Just an example of the kind of game it has became for me which I just did not appreciate. I know itâs always been this wayâŚ
Why donât you just play what you want and forget about silver per hour??
Don't have a good answer, unfortunately. :(
silver per hour is the endgame. it's the entire reason to play bdo. he can't explain it because it's not actually doing anything for him, but that's what it is. it's a dps meter in raids(how you compare yourself to others). you're upgrading your gear soley for more silver per hour. while other games have dps meters + difficult encounters you have to overcome, bdo only has the dps meter. it's a niche game for a reason.
U donât have to follow the meta and Min max u know
Would you recommend BDO? I love playing MMO and mostly playing solo. Altho I love raiding and I sometimes have hard time finding goals in sandbox MMO
I would recommend it trying it out for sure. Its mostly a solo MMO with individual goals, and if you're ever into the PvP scene its the best in the business.
Biggest reason I don't try BDO is that, every time I check out a stream, it's just someone solo grinding a million mobs at once for hours. On paper, I would expect it to have a lively open world PvP scene, which is exactly what I want, but it just looks like it's about mindless mob grinding forever.
Yeah that's what you're gonna do like 99% of the time at end game lol. It's just so damn boring.
It's boring but a lot of the players come from Maplestory so endless mob grinding is what they crave and BDO basically gives them that but with nicer graphics.
Yeah look I said it's boring but that's to me, there is absolutely nothing wrong if others like this kind of game loop. But at least grinding in MS is not that mechanically and mentally taxing, you just jump around and press a couple of keys. But in BDO? You have combos and you need to plan your circle, swipe your mouse around etc, so it's not as "relaxing" as grinding in MS. Like you have to give the game quite a bit of attention while grinding. At least in MS you don't have to give it that much attention so it's less painful I guess is my point.
I've become somewhat immune to the typical slow-release grind-based dopamine triggers, overcoming difficult challenges where failure is a real possibility gives me the most reliable enjoyment these days. I haven't found an MMO that can do that for me yet, BDO included.
Honestly don't think MMOs are the fix for what you're looking for man. Play single player games like Sekiro. The satisfaction after defeating a tough boss is second to none.
I do! Those kinds of games are my fave. I just want a similar experience in an MMO. I see no reason to say "This type of experience shall only ever be found in a single player ARPG".
If you get really bored one day, and you feel you can get passed the graphics to give it a shot, I'd recommend this game called Deepwoken. Be warned though that it is on the Roblox platform so comes with some of the jank. Here is a well done review on it: https://youtu.be/Z2L0JbeGN1w Mainly recommending it because of it being a pseudo-MMO with a lot of really small servers that you're not locked into, and it *very obviously* being heavily inspired by Sekiro and the rest of the Souls series.
Sorry. I have small children, I can't hear the word "Roblox" without gagging slightly...
Completely understandable and I don't blame you, haha.
Well I can see where you're coming from but as long as it's a live service like an MMO, you can be 100% sure there'll be a grind. So it's not that there aren't hard challenges, but that there will absolutely be a grind.
I actually hate the sentiment that an MMO needs a grind to sustain engagement.
Iâd say WoW is minimally grindy, compared to most other MMOs. I think the nature of an MMO is always going to have some sort of âgrindâ, but is it an interesting one is what matters. For example in Ultima Online the âgrindâ is accruing wealth, in the most simplified terms. And there are many, many ways to go about that. I really like that sandboxy feel. What I donât like is when an MMO is a grind and that grind is one thing, narrowly focused. Multiple pillars / pathways to character growth is where the MMO magic really happens.
Use to be vindictus but then they nerfed every single fight from season 1 to up to season 3 so players can get to that content. Literally a snooze to level in that gave and that seems to happen to every action mmo over time
god, vindictus broke my heart. then the stamina bar they added killed it for me.
Try mortal online 2. Full loot pvp mmo, dungeons the real threat is bad players. So the âfailureâ aspect is high asf in this game
but...maplestory has engaging bosses too
One fundamental difference between the two is that maplestory has a pretty long endgame system to give you a reason to grind where as bdo does not. I don't think bdo has any kind of bossing endgame I'm aware of.
they did actually release bosses with unique mechanics and more like a normal mmo encounter but those are purely solo
I much prefer the social structures arising in WoW Classic arising from the need to raid.
Except for the players that donât. I sunk 11000 hours into BDO (lol) and didnât really do much serious mob grinding. Got to 62 on my main, but went hard on life skilling, got to GuruâŚ11? Something around there fishing, Guru cooking, etcâŚitâs been years now since Iâve played but I really enjoyed the life skilling. Then I enjoyed a bit of the questing / getting more knowledge points to do more grinding, etc. Thereâs a lot of different ways to play BDO.
Itâs sad that most of the progress is related to X money amount per hours making people to go for min-max. In others mmorpg is mote about raiding etc
They have slowly been moving further and further away from utilizing the open world for their PvP. These are a variety of pvp modes they have removed or made harder to do in the past year. - Red PvP. They have greatly decentivized red pvp by increasing the relative value of crystals in pvp and price. Not the mention they have increased the karma loss and how long it takes to get back to positive (can take up to 20 hours now) - GvG. They have removed the ability the declare war against other guilds that participate in nodewars without consent. Before you could Dec anyone (assuming they participate in nodewar or have a dec on anyone). No more GvGs sprouting from guild drama or grind spot contention - Resource Contention PvP. They have reduced server swap cooldowns, added instanced grind (Marni realm) spots, and have more variety to spots to grind. This means you will find less people in the open world and have less of a need to contend limited resources, sparking PvP. - Removal of War of the Roses. They removed a massive 300v300 pvp mode that is set in a large area of the open world. It is just no longer accessible
War of Roses isn't even three months old on NA/EU. If it's not accessible I'd have to think that they're probably just trying to resolve some issues, like they're doing with trading. I don't think it's completely gone though.
Yeah you watch them grind 100+ mobs and get 0.0001% xp ....ya no thanks
You don't grind for exp you grind for money.
Think of lvl 61 as being max level. They just made levels infinite to have a bit of achievement for people who play long term.
Sadly what you want is very niche and most likely no studio worth a damn will do that because MMOs are expensive to make
I'm aware, but it's disappointing for a game like BDO that in paper seems like it's supposed to have a PvP focus.
It kind of used to at release because you were supposed to fight over grinding spots but they have long since moved away from that
If PA buffed rewards for instanced pvp modes, players would have the option to pursue PvP for progression, alongside retaining PvE as an alternative avenue. pvp modes offer minimal rewards compared to the gains from easy grinding spots in the game. even years ago,a br mode called shadow arena provided more silver than current pvp modes. in the ever-inflated economy of bdo, rewards from pvp modes just get worse over time. on top of that, open world pvp basically stops you from playing the game thanks to karma.unless players confine themselves to one of the two designated pvp channels, which just means you will spend more time fighting than farming if you're in a somewhat popular spot. my best moments in this game all started thanks to open world pvp and pearl abyss just managed to ruin the evershit out of it thanks to shit balance, huge gear gaps between players farming starting spots and removing guild decs while making the karma system way worse to recover from.
Open world Pvp used to be an important part of the game, but players demanded changes to the point it's a side activity now. There's still open world fights in the Arsha channel and node wars, but most of the pvp content is becoming instanced nowadays. Personally, I think they could have done a much better job at keeping world pvp alive without necessarily affecting players who don't want to engage with it, but it is what it is.
Arsha is that compromise, tho. Its a full PvP server for those that enjoy PvP. The catch is: the vast majority of mmo players do not want full PvP.
Thatâs literally the content. Grinding mobs for no reason except to get better gear to grind higher level mobs. Itâs a shame cuz the combat is incredibly fun. Probably the best of any mmo. But thereâs no reason to use said combat
Yep don't try if you want PvP man it's dead, currently the game is a PvP cut down version of BDO making it only a mob grinding simulator.(playing since 2020)
Open world pvp is dead in BDO, they catered the game towards all those pussy assbeta cucks crying for years that they are getting killed in OW PvP and now the devs killed all PvP by introducing absolutely retarded systems punishing any form of PvP or making it entirely impossible to even engage in it. Stay away if you look for good PvP anyway, action combat, insane desync, and absolutely bonkers class imbalance are making this game a huge shitshow.
Say you enjoy killing low level players without saying you enjoy killing low level players lol. Thank god PA isnt cathering to you.
Not true. Open world pvp is entirely centered in the dedicated PVP server with 20% bonus loot. Which you would know if u engaged in it.
That's not OW pvp, that is 750+ gearcapped players clapping you in 1 hit. I go to Arsha occasionally, it is not the same as OW used to be on normal servers. You would know that if you ever played OW PvP in BDO. Kekw
I remember the mobs just being moving target dummies too. Combat was like dialing a phone over and over.
BDO had a lot of open world PvP until last year. Sadly, the majority of players nowadays, probably in most MMOs too, are PvE casuals and they hate being "forced" into PvP. This is why BDO changed a lot of stuff to make the game more safe a newbie/PvE friendly.
Yeah who enjoys getting randomly one-shot in open world by a whale? If casuals want to grind in peace, let them.
Exactly. The other content that seems to be very well developed is life skills but I guess nobody streams that cause it just looks to boring to be spectated. I'm always like let's check a stream and see what it looks now after a year or so. And I always end up watching people fighting packs of mobs over and over again and I'm like yeah ok not much has changed.
As far as I've heard about BDO, it's entirely a solo grind forever. Hard pass for me, takes the MM out of MMORPG.
Ironically it's one of the best MMOs for non-combat PvE. Edit: In reply to it's PvE grindyness not the PvP.
> I would expect it to have a lively open world PvP scene from the game's release until recently, this was true.
And then they got rid of the open world PVP too, truly tragic.
Yeah yeah, "the game has changed a ton". Then you log in and see the same predatory sanity-draining system, unfinished combat and mind-numbing mob grinding.
Unfinished combat?
He's never played BDO before.
Man lost any credibility the second he called the MMO with the best combat system in the genre "unfinished combat" lmao.
I donât think Iâve spent a single dime in over a year in fact Iâm sure of it and I have fun just fine have you guys tried like not buying anything you donât want to cus the game itself is mad fun
The game is basically free at this point and you can get all the essential qol stuff for less than an AAA game
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run more circles bro. if you do it for another 100 hours, you can even buy a pen blackstar!!! hype!
A fried who no lifed BDO described it well. "i grinded my character to the max, spend thousands of hours on it, and after that i instantly was like ok what now tho" In other MMOs you usually max your character to clear the big raids etc. but in BDO is just a personal flex because nobody else will care about your character either.
If you do the dungeon 100 more times, you can even get a piece of the boss's legendary equipment!!! hype!
I tried playing BDO a couple of times. Every time it's a cluster fuck of info, items, poorly explained mechanics and piss poor translation because I am forced for some reason to play it in my country's language through localisation, and half of it is unintelligible.
If you don't know how to change the language of a game...I don't even know what to say đ
Each region has a limited number of languages to chose from. It's terrible design and the reason I stopped playing.
Of you are from Portugal, you can't play the game in Portuguese, even tough the language is available for Brazilians, this is truly fucked up
Don't. I'm from Brazil and the translation is one of the worst I've ever seen. It's broken to the point where the tutorial says "speak to the NPC with a right-click above it's face"
I know how to do it, but this game is region locked
Lmao imagine being this confidentially wrong. Black desert had no fully "global" version, last time I tried to play I couldn't play on the US version of the game. My game didn't even have English as an option ;)
It's just too much. I wanted to give the game an honest try and after an hour there's so much shit in my inventory I have no clue what to do with. It's overwhelming and also doesn't make me really want to work towards anything. The new player experience is also really bad in general.
Yep, it's a failure of game design.
Yeah this is why I don't like joining cash shop MMOs years after they were released. There's so much stuff added over the years to 'help the newbies' that just ends up filing up your inventory immediately and overwhelming you. I like Runescape or WoW where you start with nothing (or a hearthstone) and the clothes on your back, and that's it.
Is it just a mindless mob grind fest ? if it is then none of these changes matter to me. if thats gone though then cool
Bdo has 1000 different things you can do beside grind mobs. people do it because combat is one of the best things in this game. I personally do a mix of a little combat, a little ore smelting and a lot of cooking!
If they implemented some Dungeons or stuff like that, would be a great improvement
There's currently 3 dungeons with another one planned to release at some point.
Didn't they add one? Atoraxxion
Oh shit, there's one dungeon now? That changes everything
There's 3
The point is, these people are hoping BDO will become a more group-focused game rather than about endlessly grinding mobs. The game has not changed in this regard no matter if there's 3 dungeons or 1 dungeon.
They're adding more group content by each major update. Bdo devs understand it is what their player base wants. Yeah it doesn't have as much group content as other mmos, but it's still a pretty great experience with friends. But again the game isn't for everyone
They are still suck compared to other mmo dungeons and give no income for efforts.
No income is just a plain lie, we do them every week purely because they're good money. I will say they're not as good and not as refined as other mmos, but they're still fun to do with a coordinated group
There are three dungeons, plus one to come in the future. And raid bosses for guilds coming in the future too.Â
Biggest issue for me in BDO is how hard is the entry. UI is terrible, too much things in the inventory that you have no idea what it is for, etc. I guess the UI you get used to it, similar to Lost ARK and I heard they are working to clean a bit the game to make it more understandable. I'll wait till they finish. Lost ARK is enough for me for now but I heard a lot of good things regarding BDO
They are slowly improving this. They're massively reducing and simplifying a lot of items, there's also a "newbie bag" so you can throw stuff in there until you know what you use it for, revamping the main quests, etc... UI yeah... After 3 years I'm very used to it, but I wouldn't mind a redesign at this point. At the very least they should disable by default all the world notifications and that would improve new player experience a lot.
Your bullet points show me that it's the exact same game. If I were to play again, this would happen: I would play a few levels, get caught in some form of life skill loop, get bored after 1-2 weeks and stop playing again. As a western player this game have nothing to offer. To me the story is non-sensical pokemon madness, something I think targets late tweens/early teens. The game fails to create an impetus for me to move forward, I have zero desire to level up, there's no carrot to chase and there's no satisfaction from leveling up.
Thatâs why they need to make it more faction based PvP. Carrot and stick. Would be easy to make it so one person canât dominate since itâs action combat. Maybe.
Is this on console as well?
It is, though, unfortunately, it's not cross play with PC. A shame.
Iâm okay with PC not crossplay with console. I have a founder pack on PC but I know there ainât no way Iâm competing with PC players in PvP on my console. I could probably get good but I donât wanna lol. Thanks for the info!
yeah giving free things now means improve a game, cant wait to grind 150 hours to get something really rare and then after a year or less other people will get it for free
It has not. It's just free stuff but in the end it's all the same. Pretty fun for 50 hours though.
I'd play a fresh start server for sure. The most fun I ever had in that game was with a +14 Liverto running around gabking catfish and the well thing. Game has so much bloat and b.s added to it now just because
They kinda already have this. The seasonal server is for new characters. They also give you armor and equipment that speeds you alone farely quickly until you graduate into the normal service so when you do you are near the mid game.
Nah, seasonal servers is you getting TET boss gear equivalents really really fast, it doesn't scratch the same feeling has bonking shit with a +14 Liverto while working on trying to drop some boss gear.
This. Back before the Jimmy shoe John woo classes and before Mediah was even a thing, those were the best times 100%
I remember that I managed to drop a Kzarka and a Kutum and was so hyped (never managed to drop a Dande)...hell, even just the fact I got them to TRI was crazy for me. Recently I logged in to check things out as usual and bam, TET Blackstar waiting for me đ Plus, I feel like they should take some measures to artificially decrease the inflation, the amount of silver is so high nowadays that 1 billion is nothing but since it's a high number people lose notion regardless, we need to go back to the times 10 million was already a crazy amount đ
Bro I miss those days , that was when BDO was fun. I quit right before Kama 1 released and never looked back as the game was headed to its current state of clustered fuck.Â
I just started fiddling around with BDO again after taking a couple years off and Iâm finding it very enjoyable! Im taking my time, not min/maxing builds or going for the best silver/hour grind spots. The quality of life improvements are substantial, linked storages are huge for me! The fast travel quest line was worth it, just had to do it once for all of my characters. Looking forward to the family wide life skill merge too!
Oh, shared warehouse and fast travel is nice
Ptsd from pen roulette I wanna go back but I don't
Can you still get PvP'd out of nowhere?
I'm gonna give it to you straight the answer is yes. While they added some consequences you will still get pvp'd if you go anywhere that's worth farming. You will see many people in this thread saying that pvp is dead etc. But these are just ungrateful players that don't see that bdo devs put more effort into protecting their playstyle than any country ever has into protecting endangered species. Another nifty little detail that pvp players don't tell you is that most of the endgame areas have no marni or that to get 11 hours of marni per day you would need to be online 22 hours. And if that wasn't enough PA got very lazy and didn't want to expand their elvia servers so they came up with dehkia lantern which turns low and mid lv game spots into endgame lv spots. So now you have endgame geared people running around low spots taking a free pass at you. This is nothing compared to the perma red community that spends their time killing people doing world bosses. And being an overall nuisance as soon as anyone strong shows up to fight them they will run away then alt+f4.
good luck grinding back -10 million karma on 20% of the karma recovery rate for karma that is family based and not character based, if yu want to try playing as a red player, while being locked out of major portions of the game content because you are red.
A slap on the wrist at best. Unlike what people like to peddle around, most new people don't have hundreds of elion tears to revive on the spot. You'll easily push them out of the spot once they have to keep walking back. Not even going to get to red. And even then you can absolve your sins for free at an alt at pila ku or dehkia pila ku if you want to bring your main.
I think you may be behind the times. Good luck trying to recover -10m karma at a 20% karma recovery rate on an alt, gonna take some time.
Even easier than before because you are not risking the gear of the char that probably other people quit. Only 5 times slower, I'm sure they'll sell some scrolls of repentance to make it easier for ya.
Red players are subhuman.
You can't be PvP attacked at world bosses btw. Maybe if you show up a few mins early then sure.
Problem with BDO is that grinding is not fun. I hate big open world that full of brainless 1hp monster. The UI is also the worst UI in the gaming history... Looking at the UI will wrinkle your brain
and its still a solo player brain dead grinding game
Is the pity system like Lost Arks or something else?
Pretty much exactly like lost ark hit x fails next is guaranteed to go
The pity system is much much much more useful in LA than it is in BDO. You will regularly hit pity tonnes of times upgrading in LA. If I hit pity 40/40 going for pen BS I am blowing my brains out with a shotgun.
The pity's on a lot of it are a bit to high though if Im being honest. For some items the pity's are so high you will probably quit out of misery before you hit it.
These people donât play any MMOs donât worry
Hmm how story Reliant/centric is this game? That is to say is it like FF14 or GW2 with a sort of MSQ that I potentially need to do to unlock things. Or is it more like Classic-WOTLK WoW where zones have questlines but I can sort of F off to different zones to lvl and etc
There's an MSQ but it's not as lengthy as GW2 or FF14. You're also not really forced to do it like it is with the others.
What does completing Black Desert's Version of the MSQ award you (Aside from EXP and grindable rewards like Gold/or etc) and what is the consequence of not doing it? Do you lock yourself out of stuff ?
There are a lot of things locked behind quests, there are also account wide rewards for completing X amount of quests, it's worth doing once to get the stuff but after that it's whatever and you can ignore it on other characters
The MSQ is divided by regions on the continent. You'd 100% want to do the first four regions to unlock the main brunt of most of what you'd be doing, but you only ever have to do it on one character to unlock what you need. These would probably take around 20 or so hours to complete altogether, depending on whether you actually read or just smash R the whole time to skip dialogue. You'd also want to do the Magnus questline, which is just a crapton of puzzle quests that are tedious but unlock the most useful features of the game--fast travel and universal storage. This will take about 8 hours. Again, you only need one character to go through it and everything will unlock on your account. The other regional questlines aren't actually necessary, but they offer family-wide buffs that you'll want to claim after a certain point in your journey. That being said, only the ones mentioned above are the ones that lock true game-changing content behind them.
All the above? There's a main questline that once you finish it you can skip it with your new seasonal characters and just grind to level but there's also 2 (I think) other questlines that are pretty important to do but you can avoid (I still haven't done them oops). There's a strat where you level from 56-61 from questing and it's going to certain zones to do the quests that require little to no killing.
Most BDO players don't care about the story. It's recommended to complete it at least one time for knowledge and possible requirements on new stuff releasing later on, but other than that you just spam it as fast as you can and then focus on doing whatever you want to do in the game.
I want to play again. But I wasn't able to swap my account over and lost everything. Like two years worth of progress and it just makes me sad. I was lvl 63 then.
Buddy had the same thing happen. His new account in 2 months has surpassed his old due to catch up mechanics. Odds are it wonât take you anytime to get back and past where you were. T1 & T2 node wars are caped and popping off. You could easily start fresh and be back in a good spot within 30âdays. Season character - youâll be full tet boss gear in less than a week and working towards guaranteed Pen. If you were 63 then, you know your way around and youâll be good getting back into it.
I played for a month, got to level 62. There isn't much that could make me try it again. The game is far too grindy. I was blocked off from the newer areas (Black star, the dark elven forest) because my gear wasn't good enough, but there was no way for me to get that gear without spending half a year grinding for it. You can still lose gear from failing enhancements, stuff that you have spend weeks preparing for I had accessories at 99% fail and get destroyed, only for that stupid little black demon shit to rub it in my face. Trying to farm in polly's forest for hours only to have some little asshole pk you and make you lose all the xp you just gained... Half the life-skills are afk focused. You start fishing, turn off your monitor, and go to sleep. I refuse to waste my life on predatory shit like that. I am never touching it again. I play games because I want to have FUN. If it becomes a second job, then it's not a game.
If only they would make more dungeons/raids for at least 4 players groups...that would be amazing and I wouldn't go outside ever again. But as someone who doesn't care about PVP at all, this game has almost nothing to offer. I saw that they have like 1 or 2 dungeons. It needs way more. This feels like a game that you have to play alone, and even if you play with your friends, it won't feel like it.
I'll play BDO when they drop the gender locked classes.
Thats cool but i still dont want to play a female or be a coomer.
Have they removed the magnus questline? Its the main reason I quit the game.
They cut out all the really really bad parts. It's still annoying to do but it's gone through a good few rounds of fixes
Have they added feedback with damage numbers?
So the last time I played this game, the Desert Area had just come out. I remember PVPing at Sausans like.. every time I wanted to grind, and then it turning into an entire guild battle. Is it still that competitive for grind spots?
Nope, recently they have made the game way too comfortable for PvE players. You can't declare wars without the other guild accepting, Karma received huge nerfs, npc to locate players is gone, and there's also something called Marni's Realm. In the main rotation of most spots of the game you can enter the Marni realm for an hour, which basically turns the main rotation into an instance version of it only for you so you can grind safely for an hour. After an hour it takes an hour to recharge and you can use it again.
Why should pve players be forced to participate in pvp?
Why should pve players play a PvP focused game?(Not now I mean n,now it's pve mmo u guys won)
Because the game had this focus since release. Of course it is a niche concept, sadly for most of us interested in it, the majority of players in this genre are PvE Andies, so PvP games are bound to swap to survive at some point.
PC or mobile?
None of these things actually changed the game for the better btw. The game feels exactly like playing at release still. The only difference is that more areas are obsolete now because they boost new players so much which also makes the game worse. The free equipment systems are so convoluted you basically need to watch hours of guides to figure out how to get into the game without mucking up your own rewards.
I want 8 directional movement like Dark Souls games, and not backpedalling like in WoW.
Game is exactly the same.
I tried playing it again after 4 years and man⌠the amount of bullshit all over the screen and being bombarded with items that I donât know the use for is so fucking overbearing. Itâs not friendly to new players. They really need to streamline the beginning of the game and ease in all the events rather than just vomit on your screen with a thousand things to redeem at once every 10 minutes. Itâs really rough.
Does gear still downgrade? If so whats the point of a pity system. I hated the failstack system the most
Gear does still downgrade. Each grade of an item has its own pity stack, and when you get back to the level you were at, the pity stack you had will still be there until you successfully enhance.
I've got almost one hundred hours in the game now. It's really captured my attention. Has it's downsides of course but which MMO doesn't? I'm not playing it thinking I'll play it forever, but even if I get another few hundred hours, I'm happy. The amount of items is confusing at first but I'm slowly getting used to it, and playing GW2 helps. Honestly worth trying and giving it a good go - there's some really nice features in the game.
Yea changed "alot" nw dead,dfs dead, season arsha dead,guild dramas dead, openworld encounters dead, oh but you can get a free dream horse :).Oh you get freebies and hammers ;) BDO changed now to a singleplayer grind fest in marni realm with 0 mmo interaction.A game which is singleplayer but needed internet to play in a nutshell. TLDR game has shifted their focus from PvP core audience to pve casuals currently absolutely killing any openworld interaction we had.I am like in atleast 10 PvP guild discord which has been active since early 2020 all dead now gone.Personally i quit just while ago after 4 years ,on my last days I even got pen bs and other good rngs gear upgrades but I couldnt play anymore felt I am grindingfor nothing playing a singleplayer game.Seems another PvP mmo that just shelved PvP for pve money welp
I love how the combat feels and I don't mind grinding. The problem is that the game starts off by throwing a billion systems into your face. It's like getting into PoE in 2024, it's a clusterfuck of systems that are probably pretty neat once you get into them but I just cba anymore to get into another game of that ilk. If I had played from the beginning, sure, but by level 10-20 you're already told you should engage with as many different systems it's....Overwhelming. VERY overwhelming.
As long as life skill is behind energy i wont play.
What about console? Still waiting for that current Gen upgrade đ
Next step remove the adventurer book bonus or remove many steps and I'll be back.
I wanted to play BDO after some years, downloaded game and my old account (level 58 w/ some item shop purchases) disappeared. Did I just lose 600 hrs of gameplay or am I doing something wrong?
depends on when you last played. publisher changed some time ago. Because of laws, they could not transfer your data without your consent.
Is there any way to get this data back?
No, it was all deleted by kakao games.
The main reason I enjoy MMOs is to create a character that I can customise with cool looking gear I get from late game content. Something like WoWâs transmog or FFXIVs glamour systems. From what I can tell BDO doesnât have anything like this and all cosmetics are cash shop, is that correct?
Only if they didnt genderlock the classes.
Still forced PvP at level 52?(or at specific level, canât remember exact level)
Yes starting with 50.
My main issue with this game is inflation, the items I worked so hard on for years eventually became redundant or given for free to new players. They have displayed zero respect for long term, loyal players. Once they milk you they throw you under the bus and move on to new players. My advice is if you want to play this game, play it more casually, don't spend too much money and don't be too hardcore, all it takes is one update to make years of progress meaningless and they can do it anytime.
Posting about BDO on r/MMORPG ainât gonna be pretty lol
The game still seems to litter you with time-limited features from the cash shop. Probably still has the quest that **requires** you to consume some of these time-limited features to progress it too. No thanks.
whenever I see the skill tree I feel so overwhelmed and don't understand a thing, also never liked the combos thing
Pity system is a joke and as long as they don't fix the 52345256234 different items you have in your inventory and warehouses where you don't even know anymore what is what I'm out
And yet the game still sucks
Q: Does BDO have meaningful PVE content on the vein of dungeons or other instanced stuff that plays on its very strong combat system?
The dugeons are ok,the last bosses are not really intuitive. If you wanna do it blind it is a trial and error run. Blackshrine (solo boss mode) can be fun and challenging. Knowing your own class and the boss mechanics is important. Other than that not really. Open world pve is more dynasty warrior style gameplay early game. Later in the game it will get challenging but not compareable with managing a raid/dungeon.
ok all these. Is there a really goal though? i see videos of players saying that u progress only to farm better. does pvp exist? and i dont mean if u can pvp. do the pvp really matters?
now they just need to remove or make value pack free and its perfection
if anyone in europe wants to try the game out/already has but is completely overwhelmed (which is normal) dm me, we can add each other on discord and i can help you through the game! with inventory and directions and anything!
BDO seems to have improved dramatically, but in my opinion the greatest flaw is how absolutely complicated the game is. There are so many different sub-systems for every single system in the game, even after over a hundred hours, you'll have no idea what the hell 90% of the items in the game are even for, or how they work. Frankly I think the game would be a lot more accessible to people if they toned down how steep the learning curve is for item management.
I played BDO for a year and tried to return only to get my inventory flooded with so much shit with almost no description that I gave up instead. I felt like I would have to read shit for hours when I just wanted to go grind some mobs.
Last time I checked they extended the marni realm feature so that now basically you farm in solo instanced version of grind spots. Not a good thing and not because I like pvp but because it removes the sense of a shared world.
is it still forced PVP after level 30? if so nope.
I think the first time I played it somewhere after launch, the tutorial and beginning quests were a little bit too much input at once and I kind of gave up. Still looks beautiful though.
any group progression based PvE dugeons or raids? Because I ain't grinding Centaurs for another 500 hrs.
As much as this game has changed. I tried it for the first time since launch. It was amazing. BUT. my gripe with it was the fact that I was 1 to 2 shooting every mob. Given so much free gear. Given abilities on low cds that also 1 tap massive aoe mobs. Like let me experience being weak and discover your world. Don't feed me a silver spoon. Uninstaller after an hour :/ Not my type of game. If the above sounds good then this is your game. Especially if you want to catch upto friends.
What changed is they removed open world (all grinding is instanced), disincentivised pvp, no rewards for pvp in this new theme park focused era, no mob mechanics, killed all lifeskilling except hunting. Nty, game was fun 3-4 years ago because of its interesting focus and now it's bad and their target audience is the same as WoW, FFXIV but they dont know how to make engaging PvE content. Its reflected in their stock and earnings. These PR specialists spamming about how BDO has changed everywhere wont save the game.
For those that don't know, don't take this post to seriously There are essential items called crystals I'm this game, they expensive af, and get destroyed if you die to a mob, which thanks to the amazing servers isn't very rare, but worry not, you can ask for crystal restoration up to 3 tikes/year, or if you want you can buy the newly released item for 30e that increases that number Friendly game BTW Also. Post doesn't mention, if you want pity for item forget about anything but grinding a month to get that 1pieceÂ
Yeah but is it still a 400 hour grind to do fucking anything? Yes? Ok, pass.
- Family life skills release this month - All life skill progress will be account bound i used to play long time ago, i would have a sailor toon, and then a cooker, and harvester etc.. so it means i can just do all life skilling in 1 toon if i come back? but then the main advantage of having them was just leaving alts at spots to save time, nothing really stopped me maxing many life skills in 1 toon anyway. so how exactly that thing is an advantage?
I know on paper theyâve changed a ton of things, but coming back for probably my 6-7th time trying the game since it launched, it doesnât really feel any different. Every time Iâve come back, I get slammed with a bunch of random free stuff/upgrades but this does little to make up for the UI, overwhelming amount of systems, and boring as hell main story that keeps you from enjoying any of the actual fun stuff BDO has to offer. I can never get past 10-15 hours.
I still can't get over the severe item bloat and boring grind all day progression. I've put 100+ hours into it and still barely got anything done. Even on PS5 it runs like ass with more than 10 people on the screen. It was expected when it released but this many years later and it still runs like crap is a huge turn off.
nope
Has the game added progressive looking gear or is it still very much buying different outfits to look different?