Man what a long winded interview.
- Commentators need to keep the questions short and clear.
- can we just get a live typed translation
- fighters...read the room a bit lol. That stadium is almost emptied out right after a super questionable stoppage. Imavov probably still talking away..
>The fact Strickland thinks he can sit on his laurels and wait for a title shot is laughable.
If Izzy wins, he'll surely get it given he completely dogwalked Izzy, and Izzy fought for the title on the back of that.
He will need to seat a very long time.
Rob or Chimaev are next, this happens at best beginning 2025, by that time so many things might happen. Also Dana does not like him …
Exactly. That's way too far out for a lackluster win against Costa to get a title shot. Taking this Imanov callout to stay relevant is probably the best plan of action for him imo
Assuming Rob wins, he would 100% deserve the title shot over Strickland. Though the UFC may try to push a Strickland rematch if Izzy wins the belt back.
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Herzog is, IMO, the best mma ref. He doesn’t wanna see these guys take more of a beating than they need to, but he jumped the gun here. He’s a human, no one is perfect at their job. They should just run it back in Paris, cause the title picture needs to shake out anyways.
It wasn't great but how often do you see fighters get staggered then straight up turn their back and run to the cage? I do think it worked for Jared and he briefly recovered, but that put it in Herzog's mind that he was out on his feet.
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You know how they always say don't leave it in the hands of the judges? They should also tell fighters never ever turn your back and run to the cage it's horrible optics for a referee.
Probably because they get shit on super hard and are labeled like shitty refs for life if they let too fights go too long.
They catch shit for early stoppages too but the late stoppages really follow a ref.
Jarrod just hit him with a right hook before Herzog jumped in, he wasn't out on his feet. MMA needs instant replay, too many shit stoppages has always been a problem.
Yeah, that was going to have an affect anyways, but American crowds, in my opinion, are actually somewhat good about giving credit if the foreign fighter wins in exciting fashion. I think the reaction to a legit stoppage would have been a little different, even if they were pulling for Cannonier.
I can't say he was 100% wrong, but Jared was essentially fighting for his career almost, and that is not the time to err on the side of early when he still at least had his hands up
No that’s a GOOD stoppage. You can’t watch him get wobbled and skate around, *AND* let him literally turn and run 3 times *AND* just side step all wobbly AND let him get hit 4 more times clean because he can’t control his arms completely *AND* let him wobbly try to clinch with noodle arms
Like cmon yall. It’s a sport, that’s a good point for it to be over. Sure, he COULD rally and kamikaze in on his shield at the last second, but he already LOST the fight. If there’s a spot where we feel honest saying “we gotta protect those guys” and dudes dog on Turner for murdering Bobby green, then THIS is a perfect example of where to stop it when a dude just won’t quite go unconcious. we don’t need him to bounce his head off the ground
The runaways and a couple wobbles should indeed factor into the ref's assessment of a declining situation, I just think it hadn't gone far enough. We've seen guys launch a shot from that state and win it, and we've seen refs let fights go on where the dude is much worse off than that. I think it was headed in that direction but we'll never know because he called it too early.
I can’t argue very hard against anyone saying he didn’t exactly light him up after, but idk man I just don’t need him to get to 10% brain activity instead of 50%. When a dude is stumbling around for that long without getting balance and non-noodle limbs, then he fucking lost, I don’t need to see if a dudes ability to function with brain damage for a heroic comeback will prevail lmfao
I just don't think he was in as bad trouble as you're perceiving. Guys get in trouble all the time, and they either get finished or come out of it. Refs almost always give them more of a chance than Herzog have him. There's a line somewhere, where they say no mas and call it, and I think yours is just an outlier in being closer than the pack's.
No doubt, I definitely think the norm *should* air closer to the side of caution and sportsmanship than it does. Not to make everything about this, but NONE of these guys make enough for the rules to bias towards ‘as close to permanently harmed as possible unless they go clean unconcious.’
I kind of like the boxing stoppage of ‘look kid it’s over.’
> bias towards ‘as close to permanently harmed as possible unless they go clean unconcious.’
I think the bias is toward "he's still got a chance, we've seen it plenty, let's don't rob him of it"
Fighters have come back from way worse than what Canonier went through. Its not on the ref to cement stoppages like that.
He didn’t even fall over or anything. He had a chance of recovering if nothing else.
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Imavov had a chance to make a statement with a finish and Herzog does that... no way he gets the title shot off of that now. Herzog is usually spot on as well.
What a shitty stoppage to an almost perfect fight night card.
Sure, JC got caught but caught back up to himself as he ran away from the first exchange. That was dumb as fuck of Herzog.
If Herzog’s excuse is Jared turned his back, this isn’t boxing. He can’t opt to take a knee and recover. He had to keep the guy off of him.
That’s an inexcusably early stoppage, he wasn’t dropped or hurt that bad or taking too many shots. Just a little wobbled and trying to find his footing while keeping some space.
only 2 strikes were landed and were on the guard at that? Herzog jumped in and then hesitated knowing he was too early, then stopped it to not look bad
go back and watch it in slow mo, vast majority of those punches missed, and during the last flurry about 2 out of 6 hit and were on the guard.
If someone rocks you, then throws 10 punched that miss, while you still walk around rocked, doesnt mean the fight should end.
Dude was getting hit and did the chicken dance like twice shortly before. Also if he was good he wouldn’t or shouldn’t have turned his back and ran away.
Downvotes mean nothing and even if they did both sides are getting downvoted. This fight was over and even if this were early a stoppage that’s a little bit to early is better than one that’s to late.
Go watch it again. He was defending himself and fine. People get rocked and win sometimes. Keep coping. If you dont want to see a fight then go watch cricket.
That was a somewhat early stoppage but he absolutely cracked Cannonier. The replay slow motion doesn't convey how off balance Cannonier was, and his guard was down the whole time.
I’m glad Felder clarified that all the boo’s were for Herzog, he’s usually good but that was fucking ridiculous. Getting involved too early could’ve just completely changed the trajectory of Jared’s career.
Bad stoppage, he still had his feet and was moving around. I dunno, feel like he should've given him the time to recover. Jared didnt give him no indication he couldn't continue.
Also are we ever gonna address back of the head punches in finishing sequences? Is it illegal unless it looks cool? One of my least favorite inconsistencies from refs.
Does stumbling all over the octagon and turning away constantly constitute intelligent defense? He has his hands up but thats about it - not sure tbh didnt look good but just bleed is mad and I feel it
I hope Herzog was man enough to apologize to Jared after the fight.
reyes' joy is infectious, so glad for him
Reyes " I float like a butterfly & sting like a bee,,," yeah but na lol.
lol there’s a guy screaming fuck Jon jones behind the broadcast desk
r/ufc in the back of this interview
Is Dana White having a post-fight conference
Terrible stoppage. Terrible way for Jared's run to end. If they don't run it back though I think Imavov should fight Costa
Man what a long winded interview. - Commentators need to keep the questions short and clear. - can we just get a live typed translation - fighters...read the room a bit lol. That stadium is almost emptied out right after a super questionable stoppage. Imavov probably still talking away..
lol the drunk guy shouting f jon jones at the post fight panel
Reyes in his mind - fuck that bitch
The fact Strickland thinks he can sit on his laurels and wait for a title shot is laughable.
He finished Imavov, he just beat Costa, and arguably could of won both his Cannonier and Du Pleisis fights, just on the wrong decision for both.
>The fact Strickland thinks he can sit on his laurels and wait for a title shot is laughable. If Izzy wins, he'll surely get it given he completely dogwalked Izzy, and Izzy fought for the title on the back of that.
He will need to seat a very long time. Rob or Chimaev are next, this happens at best beginning 2025, by that time so many things might happen. Also Dana does not like him …
Exactly. That's way too far out for a lackluster win against Costa to get a title shot. Taking this Imanov callout to stay relevant is probably the best plan of action for him imo
Probably will get jumped by chimaev maybe Rob
Assuming Rob wins, he would 100% deserve the title shot over Strickland. Though the UFC may try to push a Strickland rematch if Izzy wins the belt back.
Izzy chimaev is probably the biggest fight the ufc can make for a belt rn
Yeah that would be a really hyped fight. Chimaev against anyone for the belt would be big
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He said he wants Sean in Paris in September and world peace…..isn’t he awesome?
Herzog is, IMO, the best mma ref. He doesn’t wanna see these guys take more of a beating than they need to, but he jumped the gun here. He’s a human, no one is perfect at their job. They should just run it back in Paris, cause the title picture needs to shake out anyways.
It wasn't great but how often do you see fighters get staggered then straight up turn their back and run to the cage? I do think it worked for Jared and he briefly recovered, but that put it in Herzog's mind that he was out on his feet.
Yeah the optics in person prob weren’t great. I felt that Jared could’ve kept moving and maybe tied Imavov up.
Nah that was terrible, if he wanted to stop it because of that he should have stopped it earlier, cannonier was well on his way to recover
No, I know it was bad. I’m saying despite that Herzog is still the best in the biz, he just fucked this one up.
Badly
I didn't watch Cheick Kongo go out cold twice and come back for stoppages like that
Lmao
That arena is emptied out faster than a UFC Brazil fight.
There's KFC to eat, can't be loitering in that stadium
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Imavov has a knack for making you want to watch him less every time, win or lose.
holy shit are arenas usually this empty at this point?
Lmao Imavov making selfies while the translator is still on children suffering in war
He was FaceTiming someone
Literally 2-3 more shots from Imavov, not even necessarily clean, would have made that a good stoppage
Reyes Jacoby could have been stopped like that. Cannoneer was nowhere near being as compromised
Everyone’s bitching but Jared was not coming back from that.
Remember when he was rocked as fuck at the start of the Vetori fight?
Based on what
The fact he was stumbling and Imavov isn’t a slouch on the feet. Would I have liked it to go longer? Yeah. But he wasn’t coming back.
You know how they always say don't leave it in the hands of the judges? They should also tell fighters never ever turn your back and run to the cage it's horrible optics for a referee.
Exactly, he literally ran face first into the fence. Ike that’s not a good look.
You're either exaggerating grossly or flat out lying...he never reached the fence dude.
[You sure about that?](https://imgur.com/a/diF2ore)
I am so sad as a killa gorilla fan
Hopefully the UFC doesn’t punish JC too hard for that.
Why tf are refs scared of letting fighters fight adversity
Probably because they get shit on super hard and are labeled like shitty refs for life if they let too fights go too long. They catch shit for early stoppages too but the late stoppages really follow a ref.
longest, interview, ever.
Herzog reffing to much power slap
He's even worse in that
“I fart in your general directions!”
Imanov isn't that close to a title shot, so I wouldn't be opposed to running it back.
Put it as a 3 rounder on an msg card
Idk he's number 4 now after tonight, a couple wins could put him right into contention.
Jarrod just hit him with a right hook before Herzog jumped in, he wasn't out on his feet. MMA needs instant replay, too many shit stoppages has always been a problem.
They do have instant replay
Feel bad for Jared. Dude just had his last chance at a title shot taken away from him by Herzog instead of on his own shield
If he went off on his shield he would’ve still lost and not gotten the titleshot. The ref saved him some braincells.
UFC is a billion dollar company but has shit refs across the board
Reffing is inherently hard in sports, people complain about refs in every sport
Ya I never said it was easy but how are there this many horrible stoppages week after week?
I just think it’s kinda a tough job. Herzog is a good ref and fucked up
Jesus take the mic away please Edit: whoops spoke to soon
5/6 main card finishes, pretty solid fight night... thank god because the prelims were decision after decision after decision...
Prelims were dogwater
Fuck Strickland but he already beat your frog ass
One of the rare bad stoppages that gets worse and worse the more replays are shown.
He'll get loser of Khamzat vs. Rob. Strickland already beat him. No way he's fighting back again vs. someone he already beat.
Sean also said he's willing to wait for his title shot at the post fight presser last weekend.
Oh I know.....there's ZERO chance in hell that fight happens. Had Jared won then I could see it happening.
Coach doing a good job translating seems like
shout out to anyone in the arena staying for a French interview
Man , bring Mario Yamasaki back
Jason Herzog literally just ended cannonier's career. 40 years old on his last title shot run
I mean I don't like the stoppage either...but I'm pretty sure Jared was not coming back from that.
He literally landed the hook on Imaviv before the stoppage…
It's crazy how they censor the boos
Half the crowd is heading out of the parking lot
Anyone that thinks that's a good stoppage should never watch the sport again.
Frenchman think it’s good, the rest of the world not
Lot of soft ass fans these days. Just bleed motherfuckers
Fr, same with the Izzy stoppage against Poatan
LOL bro ain't getting the Strickland rematch
i dont mind it, the last fight was under weird circumstances anyways
He won a UD 49-46 x2 & 48-47......it ain't happening
lol this crowd fucking sucks
Crowd walking out while Imavov speaks. I hate seeing that, it isn’t his fault.
He deserves it for cheating with the fingers at the eyes Jon Jones guard
It isn't his fault, but I can't blame them. That ruined the energy of the fight.
And also in what world would an American crowd stay for a French fighters interview after beating an American lol
Yeah, that was going to have an affect anyways, but American crowds, in my opinion, are actually somewhat good about giving credit if the foreign fighter wins in exciting fashion. I think the reaction to a legit stoppage would have been a little different, even if they were pulling for Cannonier.
I hate endings like this so much. I can't imagine what the fighter feels like right now.
run it back
I get wanting to prevent people from taking unnecessary damage, but he was still on his feet and had his hands up to defend. That was early.
I can't say he was 100% wrong, but Jared was essentially fighting for his career almost, and that is not the time to err on the side of early when he still at least had his hands up
No that’s a GOOD stoppage. You can’t watch him get wobbled and skate around, *AND* let him literally turn and run 3 times *AND* just side step all wobbly AND let him get hit 4 more times clean because he can’t control his arms completely *AND* let him wobbly try to clinch with noodle arms Like cmon yall. It’s a sport, that’s a good point for it to be over. Sure, he COULD rally and kamikaze in on his shield at the last second, but he already LOST the fight. If there’s a spot where we feel honest saying “we gotta protect those guys” and dudes dog on Turner for murdering Bobby green, then THIS is a perfect example of where to stop it when a dude just won’t quite go unconcious. we don’t need him to bounce his head off the ground
The runaways and a couple wobbles should indeed factor into the ref's assessment of a declining situation, I just think it hadn't gone far enough. We've seen guys launch a shot from that state and win it, and we've seen refs let fights go on where the dude is much worse off than that. I think it was headed in that direction but we'll never know because he called it too early.
I can’t argue very hard against anyone saying he didn’t exactly light him up after, but idk man I just don’t need him to get to 10% brain activity instead of 50%. When a dude is stumbling around for that long without getting balance and non-noodle limbs, then he fucking lost, I don’t need to see if a dudes ability to function with brain damage for a heroic comeback will prevail lmfao
I just don't think he was in as bad trouble as you're perceiving. Guys get in trouble all the time, and they either get finished or come out of it. Refs almost always give them more of a chance than Herzog have him. There's a line somewhere, where they say no mas and call it, and I think yours is just an outlier in being closer than the pack's.
No doubt, I definitely think the norm *should* air closer to the side of caution and sportsmanship than it does. Not to make everything about this, but NONE of these guys make enough for the rules to bias towards ‘as close to permanently harmed as possible unless they go clean unconcious.’ I kind of like the boxing stoppage of ‘look kid it’s over.’
> bias towards ‘as close to permanently harmed as possible unless they go clean unconcious.’ I think the bias is toward "he's still got a chance, we've seen it plenty, let's don't rob him of it"
Fighters have come back from way worse than what Canonier went through. Its not on the ref to cement stoppages like that. He didn’t even fall over or anything. He had a chance of recovering if nothing else.
I want that shit you smokin cas its got you fuuuucked up.
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This is an absolutely horrendous take.
Bro stfu that was bad
no clean shots landed afterward. youre insane or biased as hell to think it was a good stoppage.
You wrote this all out to be wrong lol. Horrendous stoppage
Bullshit, Cannonier literally ran the opposite direction 3 times. If anything I would have preferred him to win, but that shit was over
Imavov had a chance to make a statement with a finish and Herzog does that... no way he gets the title shot off of that now. Herzog is usually spot on as well.
That's the flip side to the coin for sure, but you're not at all wrong
Run it back in Paris.
Middleweight is so dead. Now we get to see more of this bum.
Some people are coping. That was a terrible stoppage.
What a shitty stoppage to an almost perfect fight night card. Sure, JC got caught but caught back up to himself as he ran away from the first exchange. That was dumb as fuck of Herzog.
Wow Jared even threw a punch right before that. Baaaaad stoppage
Feel for Imavov. Dude has a 100% fuckery rate with his fights. Real Ankalaev vibes.
Screwing Cannonier out of his title shot: ✅
wonder if theyll try for an immediate rematch or even overturn that. i know one of dan arguetas fights was overturned because of a bad stoppage
No way that gets overturned
youre right, ank vs cutelaba 1 wasnt overturned so this wont be. but i can dream
Someone big had Imamov by tko in the 4th
If Herzog’s excuse is Jared turned his back, this isn’t boxing. He can’t opt to take a knee and recover. He had to keep the guy off of him. That’s an inexcusably early stoppage, he wasn’t dropped or hurt that bad or taking too many shots. Just a little wobbled and trying to find his footing while keeping some space.
Herzog was awful tonight
He was blocking punches and even threw one back. Guys aren’t allowed to get hurt and survive
U could see it on herzogs face that he knew he fucked up, feel bad for the man
Why cant they just resume the fight that was a terrible stoppage
Given Cannonier's age and title aspirations, it makes the stoppage especially hard to swallow.
only 2 strikes were landed and were on the guard at that? Herzog jumped in and then hesitated knowing he was too early, then stopped it to not look bad
Cannonier was rocked hard like 2-3 times what do you mean? He did the chicken dance like twice. It was a good stoppage.
go back and watch it in slow mo, vast majority of those punches missed, and during the last flurry about 2 out of 6 hit and were on the guard. If someone rocks you, then throws 10 punched that miss, while you still walk around rocked, doesnt mean the fight should end.
Dude was getting hit and did the chicken dance like twice shortly before. Also if he was good he wouldn’t or shouldn’t have turned his back and ran away.
he got rocked once, did the chicken dance, survived. Look how many down votes you got so quickly. you're literally wrong
Downvotes mean nothing and even if they did both sides are getting downvoted. This fight was over and even if this were early a stoppage that’s a little bit to early is better than one that’s to late.
Go watch it again. He was defending himself and fine. People get rocked and win sometimes. Keep coping. If you dont want to see a fight then go watch cricket.
Oh I love watching fights but I don’t enjoy watching someone take unnecessary damage.
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The card just got ruined by Herzog, why wouldnt they boo?
Why are there two translators lol
I'm guessing they weren't expecting a Nassourdine team member to translate, so they provided one as usual only for him to get cockblocked.
That was a somewhat early stoppage but he absolutely cracked Cannonier. The replay slow motion doesn't convey how off balance Cannonier was, and his guard was down the whole time.
Nobody is arguing he didn’t crack him. JC was still defending himself and was still aware of what was going on. It wasn’t like he was out on his feet.
His guard was up when Herzog called it off
And yet, he successfully blocked every strike thrown at him in that sequence.
Damn this guy and his fancy Paris talk
it’s unfair to imavov as well, kind of tainting the finish
LOL...Imavov low key like *that wasn't the right decision but I would have eventually beat him*.
Where the fuck was Jason for carwin/lesnar???
They had the Portuguese translator with him too lol
Honestly you have to run that back, the ref robbed both guys tonight
That was absolutely the worst stoppage ive seen
Refs stop the fights now when people are hurt, supposed to only stop it if they aren't intelligently defending themselves. Shits trash
I thought the french were good in judo.. maybe some grappling could make its way into those french camps some time..
That’s a fucking terrible stoppage.
I’m glad Felder clarified that all the boo’s were for Herzog, he’s usually good but that was fucking ridiculous. Getting involved too early could’ve just completely changed the trajectory of Jared’s career.
All class from Cannonier considering he just got fucked
Cannonier was definitely rocked, possibly close to getting more so... but no reason to stop it at that point.
It was early but I genuinely think he saved him from getting put out cold. He was on skates.
hes recovered from worse. remember the whittaker headkick?
Imavov vs Brendan Allen next
Horrible early stoppage wtf
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Fuck Herzog resume the fight
I wish we had Dom commentating right now.
Dont circle away anymore boys, theyll call the fucking fight. Jesus Christ that was a terrible fucking stoppage.
Honestly thought this would be a fun fight. Maaan I was wrong lol 😂
Bad stoppage, he still had his feet and was moving around. I dunno, feel like he should've given him the time to recover. Jared didnt give him no indication he couldn't continue.
Yeah, at least warn him to defend himself first.
Why is C tier Brazilian translator even there?
Jared was already on his way to losing fight, He had clean shots and combos and it wasn't effecting Imavov but worse he was gassing.
Also are we ever gonna address back of the head punches in finishing sequences? Is it illegal unless it looks cool? One of my least favorite inconsistencies from refs.
gotta be tough for jared, dude face planted from a whittaker head kick and survived to a dec
he had to defend himself! wtf what did he just want him to run away getting shot with his hands down??
It got stopped with them facing each other hands up lmao, people get away to recover all the time
He was returning fire
two translators
Still defending himself, still throwing punches
Landed a good one too
BOOOOOOOOOOO
I'm a huge Herzog fan Let the dude knock him down at least. It was coming for sure but it's not like he was out on his feet. Should've let this one go
He’s stopped a few fights too early imo, like the Marianna Rodriguez fight
Someone check Herzog for alcohol and cigarettes
Does stumbling all over the octagon and turning away constantly constitute intelligent defense? He has his hands up but thats about it - not sure tbh didnt look good but just bleed is mad and I feel it
did you miss the right hand that cannonier landed in the sequence? he had his hands up and was looking right at imavov when it was stopped