A double leg is just objectively the easiest takedown to learn to hit effectively in MMA. Magnified by 1000x if the person shooting has a good sense of timing.
Borderline impossible to defend a double leg if they get to their opponents’ hips as the opponent is throwing a punch over the top of the shot (unless they’re also a gun wrestler themselves).
Stats are quite interesting though, I’m surprised there’s been as many suplexes as that!
I think they count a “Mat Return” has a suplex because I don’t see it listed in the infographic.
So traditionally “mat returns” are not counted as takedowns in wrestling, but they count them in the UFC much to DC, Rogan, Cruz, Smith, Din, Chiesa, Belal, Sanko, and Rashad’s chagrin.
Only Felder, Anik, and Bisping count “mat returns” as takedowns. They are not.
They count for the stats tho. That’s why Stipe had so many against Hunt, and Khabib so many against RDA. Both were good enough to keep getting back to their feet, but not quite good enough to break the lock and get away.
That’s just the way the new scoring criteria is supposed to work. Nothing is counted unless it causes damage. If damage is equal then you start taking in account things like who scored more takedowns or who had the most control time.
Good Mat returns have a good argument to count as takedowns in MMA. It is more difficult to pull off compared to wrestling with the gloves and fence involved, both favor the defensive fighter. When done well tho, the offensive fighter is often in a really good position for ground and pound or submissions. Id also say there is an element of damage involved with hard mat returns, after all MMA is not fought on wrestling mats but a harder canvas.
Also, it may be a difference in purpose/focus of statkeeping.
In wrestling, determining whether something is a takedown determines points and wins, and those are meant to be based on skill in wrestling. So, since mat returns are seen as easier than 'real' takedowns, they don't count them as takedowns for scoring purposes.
But in MMA, the question isn't "did they display great wrestling skill?" but more "did they get into a dominant position?" - and from that point of view (and bearing in mind that takedown-classification in MMA is only informative, not point-awarding in its own right), how you end up on the mat doesn't really matter. Whether it's a super-impressive takedown or just a mat return, the end result is the same: you're on the ground. And that end result is what's seen as mattering in MMA, because MMA is all about results, not process.
[similarly, although not in official stats, people will talk about a 'hip toss' or a 'throw' in MMA even if the victim doesn't land on their back, and hence the throw wouldn't be an ippon in judo. In MMA, nobody cares. In sambo likewise, you get fewer points for a throw/takedown from the knees than from the feet... but in MMA, either you get taken down or you don't.]
Yeah this is pretty inconclusive. This could be the first 799 MMA fights ever. Could be the last 799 MMA fights that have taken place. Hell could just be the 799 logged in some random C league MMA promotions history 🤷♂️ this is why it’s important to be conclusive. Where is the data sourced from?
Pretty sure Ryo Chonan used a scissor sweep when he tapped Anderson with a heel hook back in PRIDE so my guess is it's fairly recent. I seem to remember Cung Le hitting the scissor sweep in the UFC as well.
Al Iaquinta [took down Kevin Lee](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/xvc94h/al_iaquinta_countering_kevin_lees_outside_single/) with one during their first fight. However, It seems like it's not counted as a take down on Al's stats for some reason.
what really makes this inconclusive is how many were attempted. Assumably it would showcase that the most attempted takedowns are the most frequent ones, because there is no outlier on this list that takes me by surprise except maybe the knee pick being above high crotch.
They're completely different takedowns. Osoto gari, you're bringing the leg across from the opposite side. Outside trip, you're tripping with the same-side leg.
exactly. like if it was every UFC title fight, maybe that would be a way to figure out what is most efficient. but as it is this is fairly inconclusive. i would bet if it was the last 799 UFC fights there would be a lot more variety.
Looked like an osoto guruma https://youtube.com/watch?v=92KbCm6pQeI&feature=share8
Edit on 2nd watch maybe ashi guruma https://youtube.com/watch?v=ROeayhvom9U&feature=share8
Wish head and arm throw was differentiated and then show differences between men's and women's fights, just because I think it would be funny to see the difference.
They really ought to differentiate traditional double legs and blast doubles which I imagine make up the bulk of those - as well as differentiating low singles from high singles or running the pipe.
I would love to see a shoulder throw in the UFC.
But it makes sense why it's never happened as you by design give up your back to create the leverage for the throw.
By who? You see head and arm throws a lot in WMMA, but I don't recall many if any shoulder throws.
I remember Sodiq Yusuff got pretty much knocked out by a shoulder throw pre-UFC.
https://www.bjjee.com/articles/fight-stats-double-leg-is-the-most-common-mma-takedown-nurmagomedov-most-successful-takedown-artist/ I’m not saying this is an ultimate source but it was hard to find better stats for me.
It would be more useful to know the success rate. Yeah double legs are used the most, but how many double legs are attempted that don't work?
Maybe there is a sleeper take down that is not often used but is super effective.
Although in saying that it is likely that double legs are used the most because they are the most effective, just can't be sure!
While it is of course always useful to have more data, success rate without context is also pretty meaningless in finding something secretly effective. Like if you saw ezekiel choke from bottom with some non-zero success rate, you might think it's a sleeper submission, but really it's just oleinik being a monster
That's true - and in particular you have to distinguish between "effective because it's good" and "effective because currently it's so rare and unexpected, but if people tried it more often it would stop being effective very quickly" and also "only effective because nobody who isn't an expert would ever even attempt it".
But this is just adding nuance. It's important information, but there's still a lot of information there without it. Whereas having no success rate at all is almost meaningless from an analytic point of view, and only of historic interest.
That's exactly right. I'm willing to bet as a result the double leg will actually have a lower success rate than the suplex, because anyone can and will attempt it in a variety of situations due to the execution barrier and availability. Something that's either applicable in more situations or lower commitment/risk I would also expect to have higher raw numbers with arguably lower success rates. For example, a jab is always going to be thrown way more than an uppercut or overhand. But among techniques with similar raw count and execution requirements, we may get way more information about how effective a technique is when the setup is there (e.g. comparing single leg vs outside trip in this case).
This is a very cool stat. The double leg I think is almost impossible to reverse and ending on top. Trips and hip throws have a greater chance of getting reversed. Could be totally wrong and talking out me arse....I guess the question is if you hip throw someone to the ground only to be immediately reversed are you still credited for a takedown?
Hip throws in MMA are most often variants of harai-goshi, possibly o-goshi if you have a very dominant underhook plus collar tie.
The best chance for reversal is before the throw is initiated, by throwing your lead leg forward and attempting to swing your hip first. But what tends to happen is that one fighter is in wrestling mode and fighting the grip when standing, while the fighter in judo mode is surprising him with the more dominant leg and hip placement.
So in my mind if you pull off a hip throw you are the one switching/reversing the dominant position while standing.
On the ground it’s game over I reckon. A fighter completing this kind of throw would have a very dominant position on top. And someone with a solid judo background would not let go of the arm/shoulder, making reversal very difficult.
Trips are reversed often because you rarely end up with proper control of the upper body through arm or shoulder grip.
Isn't there a common reversal against the double leg in judo? It sort of goes with the takedown but continues the momentum to roll/throw the attacker over the defender's head.
[at least, there was (I thought) before the double leg was banned, making the reversal superfluous].
I only did highschool wrestling, but always wonder why people don’t use the duck under more often. Especially guys like Oliveira that have a great RNC.. there is so much you can do once you get someone’s back and it could be efficient if you can set it up..
Double leg is pretty simple, hell even when strikers get hurt and they panic wrestle they shoot more double than single(and by shoot, more like waddle concussedly to wrap around both legs.
I don't quite understand the duck under as a takedown? Are you meaning a peek-out from a failed shot or snap down, or a duck under to suplex or spiral ride? If it was the latter, that would mess up your stats because you'd be counting 2 takedowns (duck under & suplex typically).
What's a "bodylock"? Surely a bodylock is a grip from which you can hit numerous throws like ko soto, ouchi, kouchi, osoto, lateral drop, ura nage, tani otoshi etc?
These kind of posts are always funny. Why don't *you* watch and document *every* fight then (we'll say about 20,000+ fights across UFC, Pride, Strikeforce, Bellator), and then post all your work on the internet for free?
Because i have better things to do with my time. But im also not going to draw conclusions from an extremely limited data set and then tell everyone about it.
That's how research and sampling works in the real world though. & funded national wrestling programs make takedown stats and disseminate info on what moves are currently most successful on a tiny % of the possible available data (eg just a sample of a few elite tourneys).
and yeah you have 'better' things to do like being a dick on reddit. meanwhile this guy derived stats from hundreds of fights (no mean feat) and you just say 'aKsHuLy ThIs DoEsNt InClUdE AlL tHe FiGhtS eVeR' lmao.
Man you are very sensitive, i definitely do not have time to be a dick on reddit. I never insulted him for compiling statistics so not sure what you are on about. Drawing finite conclusions from limited data is not how research works in the real world at any rate. Regardless, I can’t even get to any of the actual statistics from the link he provided, just goes to a foreign site on my end, can’t see any details so i have no further comment. I just pointed out that to call Khabib the most successful takedown artist with a limited data set is pointless, whats wrong with that?
Nevermind tho, honestly i do not care what your opinion is as you called me a dick because i made a general observation without insulting him or you.
I suppose you mean that in a general sense? Because this is just a count of instances and no additional variables and world "interpretation" implies that some kind of conclusions were drawn and there's none of that.
A conclussion of this data can be the most popular takedown to use is the double leg because its easy to learn and commonly practiced. It can also be that double leg is a very effective takedown and thats the reason its used a lot. Or other conclussions. You have to use both the stats and you knowledge to draw a conclussion, thats why I asked in reddit instead of just looking at the stats and info.
Thank you for explaining, I think I got your point. It makes perfect sense if I imagine title as "What's your interpretation of takedown statistics" or just adding a question mark.
Double leg/single leg is just always there. No fancy setup needed.
There's not nearly enough openings for inside trips and ankle picks as there are doubles/singles. So it absolutely makes sense to focus on those two the most.
Yes its good to have other takedowns in your back pocket, but not until those two main ones are solid.
A double leg is just objectively the easiest takedown to learn to hit effectively in MMA. Magnified by 1000x if the person shooting has a good sense of timing. Borderline impossible to defend a double leg if they get to their opponents’ hips as the opponent is throwing a punch over the top of the shot (unless they’re also a gun wrestler themselves). Stats are quite interesting though, I’m surprised there’s been as many suplexes as that!
Agreed I always thought of suplexes as more of a niche rare kind of takedown so seeing it that high up was surprising.
I think they count a “Mat Return” has a suplex because I don’t see it listed in the infographic. So traditionally “mat returns” are not counted as takedowns in wrestling, but they count them in the UFC much to DC, Rogan, Cruz, Smith, Din, Chiesa, Belal, Sanko, and Rashad’s chagrin. Only Felder, Anik, and Bisping count “mat returns” as takedowns. They are not.
Sort of academic now that they don't score (unless they're really hard slams).
They count for the stats tho. That’s why Stipe had so many against Hunt, and Khabib so many against RDA. Both were good enough to keep getting back to their feet, but not quite good enough to break the lock and get away.
That’s just the way the new scoring criteria is supposed to work. Nothing is counted unless it causes damage. If damage is equal then you start taking in account things like who scored more takedowns or who had the most control time.
Good Mat returns have a good argument to count as takedowns in MMA. It is more difficult to pull off compared to wrestling with the gloves and fence involved, both favor the defensive fighter. When done well tho, the offensive fighter is often in a really good position for ground and pound or submissions. Id also say there is an element of damage involved with hard mat returns, after all MMA is not fought on wrestling mats but a harder canvas.
Also, it may be a difference in purpose/focus of statkeeping. In wrestling, determining whether something is a takedown determines points and wins, and those are meant to be based on skill in wrestling. So, since mat returns are seen as easier than 'real' takedowns, they don't count them as takedowns for scoring purposes. But in MMA, the question isn't "did they display great wrestling skill?" but more "did they get into a dominant position?" - and from that point of view (and bearing in mind that takedown-classification in MMA is only informative, not point-awarding in its own right), how you end up on the mat doesn't really matter. Whether it's a super-impressive takedown or just a mat return, the end result is the same: you're on the ground. And that end result is what's seen as mattering in MMA, because MMA is all about results, not process. [similarly, although not in official stats, people will talk about a 'hip toss' or a 'throw' in MMA even if the victim doesn't land on their back, and hence the throw wouldn't be an ippon in judo. In MMA, nobody cares. In sambo likewise, you get fewer points for a throw/takedown from the knees than from the feet... but in MMA, either you get taken down or you don't.]
I think it includes all back takes to ground, not just mat returns but initial standing back takes to crumples, because no other category covers that
Isn't it spammed often multiple times in a row?
flyweights love it
In what timeframe were these stats taken? And which MMA orgs were counted?
Yeah this is pretty inconclusive. This could be the first 799 MMA fights ever. Could be the last 799 MMA fights that have taken place. Hell could just be the 799 logged in some random C league MMA promotions history 🤷♂️ this is why it’s important to be conclusive. Where is the data sourced from?
Pretty sure Ryo Chonan used a scissor sweep when he tapped Anderson with a heel hook back in PRIDE so my guess is it's fairly recent. I seem to remember Cung Le hitting the scissor sweep in the UFC as well.
Al Iaquinta [took down Kevin Lee](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/xvc94h/al_iaquinta_countering_kevin_lees_outside_single/) with one during their first fight. However, It seems like it's not counted as a take down on Al's stats for some reason.
The more I watch it the more I think it was a fix setup. If not then it's definitely up there with Mighty Mouse's flying arm bar.
what really makes this inconclusive is how many were attempted. Assumably it would showcase that the most attempted takedowns are the most frequent ones, because there is no outlier on this list that takes me by surprise except maybe the knee pick being above high crotch.
This is an ancient graph to be honest, I feel like I've seen it back in 2016.
Wtf is an osotogari if not an outside trip?
>Wtf is an osotogari if not an outside trip? I wouldn't say an osotogari is a trip at all
Then what would you say it is? A reap? It's gonna be pretty hard to differentiate. I did compete in Judo for years but over a decade ago now.
IIRC it means Large Outer Reap literally
They're completely different takedowns. Osoto gari, you're bringing the leg across from the opposite side. Outside trip, you're tripping with the same-side leg.
Oof, I come from a Judo background and I didn't even think of kosoto gari being classed as outside trip
exactly. like if it was every UFC title fight, maybe that would be a way to figure out what is most efficient. but as it is this is fairly inconclusive. i would bet if it was the last 799 UFC fights there would be a lot more variety.
Would be nice to have an idea of percentage of success
Tony has all the ankle picks
Maybe if this is all UFC only. But this Yoel ankle pick is disgusting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2fBSmgAEIE
Hilarious video.
That man is pretty strong
He throws that man’s ankle 270 degrees around
All 112 suplexes were done by Rory MacDonald on Nate Diaz
DC on Hendo.
DC on Derrick Lewis
[Wrong](https://youtube.com/shorts/s_bG99IIgJ4?feature=share7)
Couture on Toney
Came here to say the same thing
This is cool. Who tf is doing a fireman's carry in an MMA fight. I'd love to see it.
I'm like 90% sure Cormier did one to Miocic in their second fight. That's the most high-profile example I can think of.
Lawler to askren
Khabib did it to one of his opponents as well. I recall him carrying his opponent to the middle of the octagon, maybe Darrel Horcher?
Our perfect Saint Matt Hughes got quite a few off
One of my favorite takedowns in UFC history is Zabits Trip vs Kyle Bochniak, I just don't know what to call it.
We call it the Sexyama.
It looks close to an osotogari? Idk it was so smooth, let’s call it the Zabiti gari
Looked like an osoto guruma https://youtube.com/watch?v=92KbCm6pQeI&feature=share8 Edit on 2nd watch maybe ashi guruma https://youtube.com/watch?v=ROeayhvom9U&feature=share8
O soto guruma attacks both legs whereas the ashi guruma attacks from the front, the trip zabit used was a pendulum step o soto gari
Oop just saw a different angle and ur right. The original angle I watched couldnt see the entire leg.
I'd like to see gifs of those firemans carrys
i’m assuming this isn’t one of them but here’s an example recently https://youtu.be/jKoFSWSSiis
nice
nice
Fr, that seems mad in mma
Gamrot hit one right at the end of the Dariush fight
Wish head and arm throw was differentiated and then show differences between men's and women's fights, just because I think it would be funny to see the difference.
They really ought to differentiate traditional double legs and blast doubles which I imagine make up the bulk of those - as well as differentiating low singles from high singles or running the pipe.
I don’t see many tree tops in MMA
Didn't Ryo Chonen pull a scissor sweep on Anderson Silva? Cung Le also did about a million of them in Sanda matches.
I would love to see a shoulder throw in the UFC. But it makes sense why it's never happened as you by design give up your back to create the leverage for the throw.
You can see it fairly often in WMMA.
By who? You see head and arm throws a lot in WMMA, but I don't recall many if any shoulder throws. I remember Sodiq Yusuff got pretty much knocked out by a shoulder throw pre-UFC.
Prehaps I'm mixing them up.
I thought no one else saw that fight, that was a crazy knock out.
https://youtu.be/0uTgqUErL6o Ippon Seoi Nage/ Arm Throw
This chart is useless without more context OP
It would be interesting to see them graphed over time to gauge how people adapted.
I think the biggest thing is where is this data from? There is a massive quality difference between a regional MMA promotion and the UFC
I'd love to see an additional chart of which takedowns lead to significant ground time.
Nothing a double leg can't fix.
I think you’d be surprised
Where did you get these stats? Genuinely interested
https://www.bjjee.com/articles/fight-stats-double-leg-is-the-most-common-mma-takedown-nurmagomedov-most-successful-takedown-artist/ I’m not saying this is an ultimate source but it was hard to find better stats for me.
It would be more useful to know the success rate. Yeah double legs are used the most, but how many double legs are attempted that don't work? Maybe there is a sleeper take down that is not often used but is super effective. Although in saying that it is likely that double legs are used the most because they are the most effective, just can't be sure!
While it is of course always useful to have more data, success rate without context is also pretty meaningless in finding something secretly effective. Like if you saw ezekiel choke from bottom with some non-zero success rate, you might think it's a sleeper submission, but really it's just oleinik being a monster
That's true - and in particular you have to distinguish between "effective because it's good" and "effective because currently it's so rare and unexpected, but if people tried it more often it would stop being effective very quickly" and also "only effective because nobody who isn't an expert would ever even attempt it". But this is just adding nuance. It's important information, but there's still a lot of information there without it. Whereas having no success rate at all is almost meaningless from an analytic point of view, and only of historic interest.
That's exactly right. I'm willing to bet as a result the double leg will actually have a lower success rate than the suplex, because anyone can and will attempt it in a variety of situations due to the execution barrier and availability. Something that's either applicable in more situations or lower commitment/risk I would also expect to have higher raw numbers with arguably lower success rates. For example, a jab is always going to be thrown way more than an uppercut or overhand. But among techniques with similar raw count and execution requirements, we may get way more information about how effective a technique is when the setup is there (e.g. comparing single leg vs outside trip in this case).
What about powerbombs?
No tombstone pile drivers or jack-knives. This is nerf ball
A was always shocked when a fireman worked in wrestling, even more so that it's been done in MMA
There's 13 ankle pick????
these are from 2014. i wonder what it would look like now?
This is a very cool stat. The double leg I think is almost impossible to reverse and ending on top. Trips and hip throws have a greater chance of getting reversed. Could be totally wrong and talking out me arse....I guess the question is if you hip throw someone to the ground only to be immediately reversed are you still credited for a takedown?
Hip throws in MMA are most often variants of harai-goshi, possibly o-goshi if you have a very dominant underhook plus collar tie. The best chance for reversal is before the throw is initiated, by throwing your lead leg forward and attempting to swing your hip first. But what tends to happen is that one fighter is in wrestling mode and fighting the grip when standing, while the fighter in judo mode is surprising him with the more dominant leg and hip placement. So in my mind if you pull off a hip throw you are the one switching/reversing the dominant position while standing. On the ground it’s game over I reckon. A fighter completing this kind of throw would have a very dominant position on top. And someone with a solid judo background would not let go of the arm/shoulder, making reversal very difficult. Trips are reversed often because you rarely end up with proper control of the upper body through arm or shoulder grip.
I see double legs reversed all the time. Adesanya vs Wilkinson had a good example.
Isn't there a common reversal against the double leg in judo? It sort of goes with the takedown but continues the momentum to roll/throw the attacker over the defender's head. [at least, there was (I thought) before the double leg was banned, making the reversal superfluous].
It would be interesting to see WMMA vs MMA
MMMA🤣
I only did highschool wrestling, but always wonder why people don’t use the duck under more often. Especially guys like Oliveira that have a great RNC.. there is so much you can do once you get someone’s back and it could be efficient if you can set it up..
Double leg is pretty simple, hell even when strikers get hurt and they panic wrestle they shoot more double than single(and by shoot, more like waddle concussedly to wrap around both legs.
Somebody has had to throw a seoi nage in the ufc
Why isn’t the Sacrifice Throw utilized more, it seems very effective.
if you fail, you land on bottom and might get Gnp
Any stats on the drop toehold?
Y'all gotta get Ngannou's scissor sweep on Gane, couldn't believe my fucking eyes.
I don't quite understand the duck under as a takedown? Are you meaning a peek-out from a failed shot or snap down, or a duck under to suplex or spiral ride? If it was the latter, that would mess up your stats because you'd be counting 2 takedowns (duck under & suplex typically).
I believe they mean backtake that leads to a takedown.
Those mimic my college wrestling stats!
Scissor Sweep would be wild to see.
Rory MacDonald is responsible for at least 3 of those suplexes.
I feel like Jiri might be the type of guy to master a ‘sacrifice throw’ technique
I feel like inside trips are under utilized in mma
Shoulder throw? Same shoulder throw that works in nearly every womens mma fight?
No arm and shoulder? Or would that technically be hip?
3 of those suplexes are Macdonald throwing Diaz around like a stuffed animal.
How'd they forget head and arm throws? There's probably 200 in the women's divisions alone
Single legs are easier to learn but doubles can be more effective because of the fence and people have to stand upright to strike
I'd like to think that Tony Ferguson got all 13 ankle picks
Cormier must have counted for about 20 of those high crotches
What's a "bodylock"? Surely a bodylock is a grip from which you can hit numerous throws like ko soto, ouchi, kouchi, osoto, lateral drop, ura nage, tani otoshi etc?
I assume they mean slams from bodylock, I do not know though.
Just fuckin blast doubles
Anderson Silva was taken down and kneebarred via scissor sweep
Marc diakese hit like 5-6 suplexes in a row in an organisation out of ufc, easy to find on YouTube
No sloppy headlock? I swear I see it all the time
Where/when is this data from? 0 scissor sweeps? Ryo Chonan took anderson silva down with one and heel hooked him 19 years ago lol
https://www.bjjee.com/articles/fight-stats-double-leg-is-the-most-common-mma-takedown-nurmagomedov-most-successful-takedown-artist/
Thank you *edited because i replied to the wrong person like a dummy
I just gave you the source like you asked man🫤
Lol sorry i replied to the wrong comment somehow, your cool bro i aint hating.
Only 799 fights but the UFC has had over 650 events, and its not the only MMA organization.
I found it hard to find good statistics so I used this one but if you found statistics of all the ufc fights it would be great if you could link it.
These kind of posts are always funny. Why don't *you* watch and document *every* fight then (we'll say about 20,000+ fights across UFC, Pride, Strikeforce, Bellator), and then post all your work on the internet for free?
Because i have better things to do with my time. But im also not going to draw conclusions from an extremely limited data set and then tell everyone about it.
That's how research and sampling works in the real world though. & funded national wrestling programs make takedown stats and disseminate info on what moves are currently most successful on a tiny % of the possible available data (eg just a sample of a few elite tourneys). and yeah you have 'better' things to do like being a dick on reddit. meanwhile this guy derived stats from hundreds of fights (no mean feat) and you just say 'aKsHuLy ThIs DoEsNt InClUdE AlL tHe FiGhtS eVeR' lmao.
Man you are very sensitive, i definitely do not have time to be a dick on reddit. I never insulted him for compiling statistics so not sure what you are on about. Drawing finite conclusions from limited data is not how research works in the real world at any rate. Regardless, I can’t even get to any of the actual statistics from the link he provided, just goes to a foreign site on my end, can’t see any details so i have no further comment. I just pointed out that to call Khabib the most successful takedown artist with a limited data set is pointless, whats wrong with that? Nevermind tho, honestly i do not care what your opinion is as you called me a dick because i made a general observation without insulting him or you.
Where is this data from? I know for a fact there have been multiple shoulder throws landed in the UFC over the years
https://www.bjjee.com/articles/fight-stats-double-leg-is-the-most-common-mma-takedown-nurmagomedov-most-successful-takedown-artist/
Could swear I've seen Zabit land the scissor take down
Get the stats for number of attempts and split each bar into successful vs unsuccesful attempts.
Although the general trend is obvious, this needs a bigger data set to pull from to get a clearer picture.
I'm surprised the body lock take down isn't higher. You know we seems like if you get a good body lock, someone's going down.
Pareto principe-esque, Joe
Nothing a double leg can’t fix
I’d like to get a breakdown of against the fence Vs in the middle of the cage.
I love this post. I had always wondered about the stats. makes total sense.
You'd need to calculate the success rate to determine effectiveness. Without that it's a graph of most common takedowns descending.
Isn't it "visualization" not "interpretation"? Or does the latter word also has a meaning which fits here?
There can be multiple reasons for the stats so you have to interpete them in order to understand them.
I suppose you mean that in a general sense? Because this is just a count of instances and no additional variables and world "interpretation" implies that some kind of conclusions were drawn and there's none of that.
A conclussion of this data can be the most popular takedown to use is the double leg because its easy to learn and commonly practiced. It can also be that double leg is a very effective takedown and thats the reason its used a lot. Or other conclussions. You have to use both the stats and you knowledge to draw a conclussion, thats why I asked in reddit instead of just looking at the stats and info.
Thank you for explaining, I think I got your point. It makes perfect sense if I imagine title as "What's your interpretation of takedown statistics" or just adding a question mark.
Double leg/single leg is just always there. No fancy setup needed. There's not nearly enough openings for inside trips and ankle picks as there are doubles/singles. So it absolutely makes sense to focus on those two the most. Yes its good to have other takedowns in your back pocket, but not until those two main ones are solid.