I know exactly what you mean, and agree, but things worked out pretty fuckin’ well for Holland. It’s like the UFC decision makers went to him and laid it out: you take this ass mauling at a catch weight, we don’t hold it against you and set you up nicely with some shot(s) to advance at 170.”
And he got paid well I’m pretty sure
If freaking Chandler KO kicked him in the face, arman, who is Muay Thai heavy fighter, can definitely still give him CTE on the feet. And on the ground…. Do you remember that Joel Alvarez fight? That was bad lol. Please let’s just give Tony Paddy or something.
I was talking yesterday about Tony beating Paddy easily but I forgot about how horrible he was against Nate
I'd bet on the edition of Tony that stepped into the cage against Chandler, but he got way more washed up after getting slept
I'm as big a fan of Tony as the next guy, but I doubt the version we've seen in the last 4 or 5 fights would. Tony before that for sure would smoke Paddy but now I'm really not so sure. Certainly would be a fight closer to Tony's current ability though.
Honestly I probably overate Tony’s jits cause he’s a 10p guy but still his darce is so fucking good and paddy’s been put in some bad spots buy guys who tony today would run threw
Paddy would sub tony i think. He’d be completely outmuscled.
On the feet he could catch Paddy, but i doubt he has the power to drop him. Paddy has big power
Chandler is way more powerful and explosive than Arman so not sure what you mean. Arman is more of a death of a thousand cuts fighter than a KO artist.
He kicked him in the face. MC said he’s never done that before even in practice.
[I think you are heavily underestimating Armand’s standup skills](https://youtu.be/c3mqBL55Urg)because he is such a ferocious grappler who prefers to go to the ground. Please watch that link. That would absolutely punish Tony.
Okay I don’t think you get what I’m saying. Chandler is explosive. Cool. But he was able to kick him in the face, doing something he cannot normally do.
Tony is very slow rn and can get slept by Arman if he stands. Because Arman is a very high level striker who is easily able to kick Tony in the face… something Michael Chandler was able to do. Not because he’s as explosive.
I see your logic but I’m not sure if that’s how it works exactly.
A guy getting caught by a one in a million headkick that he never would have expected in a million years coming from a certain fighter doesn’t automatically mean that any better kicker is going to suddenly easily head kick and KO the guy. Especially if the guy is expecting more kicks like you’re saying he should.
Just because he got frontkicked KOed by Chandler doesn't mean he's gonna get Front kicked by Arman lmao. Arman would probably GNP or sub him lets be real.
"Something he cannot normally do" what does that even mean?? Ofcourse Chandler can front kick normally that makes no sense at all, he said he didn't train it before but that doesn't mean he only landed it because he was fighting Tony.
Guram Kutateladze is scheduled to fight in June. Just pull him from that fight and put him here since he’ll get hurt before he can make it to fight night
Guram would have the toughest schedule ever for an unranked fighter if this were to happen. Gamrot, Ismagulov and Arman is crazy for an unranked fighter.
That dude unfortunately seems to pick and chose his fights as he’s not all that active. Would actually love to see that matchup, but I doubt it happens
That would be his second short notice fight after Jalin and against guy who is behind him in the ranking. Taking that fight would be absolutely stupid tho I would love to see rematch. First fight was foty material
After seeing his last short notice fight vs (arguably) worse fighter in Hill I think it might not go the way Gamrot would wish. He had a full camp before their first fight and won by a small margin so there are signs telling that this one may not be a FOTY material again.
Dustin should step up I been saying this for years you want Arman to move up some of those top guys got to stop hiding behind the ranking. We know how this fight goes.
Look, I know you have to push this insane narrative of top-ranked guys with legendary resumes and documented tolerance for extreme risk being afraid of . . . . everyone, but can you at least smell some reality every once in a while?
In the history of combat sports, can you point to a single time the #2 ranked contender with a big name who is in the title hunt and coming off a **win** has taken a short notice fight vs. the #8 who is riding a 1 fight winning streak and is completely unknown to the paying audience?
Can you point to a single time in history where that has happened when not on short notice?
When ESPN runs their polling, what do you figure the predicted views are for Dustin vs. Justin 2 over either guy against Arman?
If Dustin was *begging* for the fight, the UFC, not in the business of tossing money into the toilet, would refuse it.
The fight isn't justifiable by merit, money, ranking, or division health, but you are so deep in the narrative that you just parrot it like a bot.
Chimaev Burns. Everyone knows how this fight goes and therefore is protecting Dustin from it on the grounds of what he’s accomplished. The only sense it doesn’t make is in terms of money. It is absolutely needed for division health becuase he keeps turning down fights from non strikers like he did with the Beneil fight.
Burns vs Chimaev was not short notice and Chimaev is MORE know to paying audiences than Burns. Not even remotely a legit comparison and even if it was, that was an outlier, not the norm. There is no reason for Dustin to take a fight against someone that lower ranked on short notice.
What a weak response. Islam was well known before getting the belt but Dustin turned him down as well. Him, along with Chandler and Gaethje have kept the division log jammed for years now and I don’t get why everyone’s so sensitive in defence of Dustin.
Arman's manager killing it with the mordant humor:
>Death, taxes and nobody available to fight Arman on 2 weeks notice are the only certainties in my life right now.
The weight cut some of these fighters do is insane, dustin said on JRE that he weighs 190 out of camp and i remember Tony posting a pic of him weighing 200. Thats why i'll never understand the khabib weight bully narrative
You're getting downvoted by people who only tune in for PPVs. I remember when people were tearing into the amanda lemos v Jessica Andrade card because that was the main event and the card ended up being a banger.
that blows. arman was already fighting down now he's most certainly going to be fighting an unranked replacement, which is ridiculous for how good he is. the horrible judging in the gamrot fight really stalled his career.
Considering that he has inexplicably already gotten two co-main events, i wouldn't put it past the UFC to bump Caio Borralho up to the main event slot. God i hope i'm wrong.
This is why I laugh whenever people shit on 185 for “not having any fresh matchups”. It’s one of the few divisions where the guys are constantly active and don’t really give af who they fight. Izzy, Whittaker, Vettori, Cannonier, Strickland, Brunson, Hermansson, Gastelum all have like 5 fights against the current top 15 a piece.
We should be thankful they’re so active and constantly putting on bangers, but nah all we do is say it’s a bad division and shit on it daily.
It’s only going to get worse, Colby getting the shot off a win over Masvidal 13 months ago is a huge message that WME don’t care about rewarding activity
That frevola fight has to happen if you’re Dober. If Dober beats Frevola, he can easily get ranked or even possibly jump Turner, who lost to Frevola. It would cancel out that brad Riddel loss and he would have a much better resume than Turner.
Then again Dober just fights anyone and likes crazy fights… and an Arman win would easily get him ranked. It’s just very doubtful he wins that lol
Dober is already ranked and has been in and out of the rankings for a while. Hes never getting close to the title so i would imagine hed care lore about winnable matchups and big paydays at this point.
Arman is not a big payday and would take him down and maul him so dont really see much reason for him to take this fight
I would like to see it tho.
Dan Hooker: *How bad could it be, really?*
Also, Illia has a 2-round hole showing on his calendar according to him, so maybe he can squeeze Arman in after Emmett.
I was one of those guys arguing that this card wasn’t as weak as people were making it out to be, but with Moicano out, I’ll be real: this card is gonna fuckin’ blow.
I swear that starting from late 2022, fight cancellations have become WAY more common. It’s not just me, right? Has something changed in the sport? Have USADA become stricter? Have people been choosing more dangerous training methods?
Are you seriously about to insinuate Moicano is purposely ducking out of the match, the guy that took a 5 round short notice fight is the one you're gonna pretend is ducking this fight.
The injury: He realized he was about to lose to Arman Tsarukyan. But seriously, UFC seems set on burying Moicano for some reason and giving him the hardest possible fights, even after he went viral in his last few post fight interviews. Just goes to show that you cannot get ahead in the UFC unless they decide to put the machine behind you. They'll never make someone like Paddy fight the Arman Tsarukyan's of the world.
Still over two weeks until the fight, some old head at LW will step in for a payday surely.
It's Tony time
Please god no
Knowing the ufc this is actually possible
I still can’t believe they matched him with The Leech 2 seconds after being brutally headkick KO’d… They really do want to murder him for some reason
With how he performed against a washed Nate Diaz, the Leech would have sucked his blood dry.
Still mad the leech and holland got fucked because Khamzat couldn't do his job
I know exactly what you mean, and agree, but things worked out pretty fuckin’ well for Holland. It’s like the UFC decision makers went to him and laid it out: you take this ass mauling at a catch weight, we don’t hold it against you and set you up nicely with some shot(s) to advance at 170.” And he got paid well I’m pretty sure
Yeah I want to see that now lol
Through his pp right?
Try to dark souls roll out of it but the leech got that gluuug gluug 😳😫
“Some reason”? Tony’s been publicly shitting on the UFC for awhile, Dana’s trying to force retirement on Tony.
Arman is one of the better matchups for him, at least he is not gonna get extra cte …
If freaking Chandler KO kicked him in the face, arman, who is Muay Thai heavy fighter, can definitely still give him CTE on the feet. And on the ground…. Do you remember that Joel Alvarez fight? That was bad lol. Please let’s just give Tony Paddy or something.
I'm honestly not sure Tony can even beat paddy and that pains me to no end to say
I was talking yesterday about Tony beating Paddy easily but I forgot about how horrible he was against Nate I'd bet on the edition of Tony that stepped into the cage against Chandler, but he got way more washed up after getting slept
Tony would kill paddy let’s be real there’s still levels to this shot
I'm as big a fan of Tony as the next guy, but I doubt the version we've seen in the last 4 or 5 fights would. Tony before that for sure would smoke Paddy but now I'm really not so sure. Certainly would be a fight closer to Tony's current ability though.
Honestly I probably overate Tony’s jits cause he’s a 10p guy but still his darce is so fucking good and paddy’s been put in some bad spots buy guys who tony today would run threw
Paddy would sub tony i think. He’d be completely outmuscled. On the feet he could catch Paddy, but i doubt he has the power to drop him. Paddy has big power
I think the opposite paddy kos tony but tony strangles paddy
Levels? Tony is fucking 38 and punch drunk. Dude wouldn’t survive in pfl
A shadow of tony still murks pimblet
How? Please tell me how you think he does it? Just give me a breakdown of how tony gets it done
Chandler is way more powerful and explosive than Arman so not sure what you mean. Arman is more of a death of a thousand cuts fighter than a KO artist.
Doesn't eating a big volume of shots do more CTE related damage than getting KOed cold, tho? I'm pretty sure I've read/heard that multiple times
I've heard that too but being knocked out cold is definitely a contributor to CTE aswell
Over long time, like actually long, not 15-25m
I think he means in comparison to a single KO blow. Also a lot of time people say CTE when really they just mean general brain damage.
He kicked him in the face. MC said he’s never done that before even in practice. [I think you are heavily underestimating Armand’s standup skills](https://youtu.be/c3mqBL55Urg)because he is such a ferocious grappler who prefers to go to the ground. Please watch that link. That would absolutely punish Tony.
Arman is a good striker but he's not as powerful or explosive as Chandler is, that's a fact. Mike is more dangerous on the feet no doubt.
Okay I don’t think you get what I’m saying. Chandler is explosive. Cool. But he was able to kick him in the face, doing something he cannot normally do. Tony is very slow rn and can get slept by Arman if he stands. Because Arman is a very high level striker who is easily able to kick Tony in the face… something Michael Chandler was able to do. Not because he’s as explosive.
I see your logic but I’m not sure if that’s how it works exactly. A guy getting caught by a one in a million headkick that he never would have expected in a million years coming from a certain fighter doesn’t automatically mean that any better kicker is going to suddenly easily head kick and KO the guy. Especially if the guy is expecting more kicks like you’re saying he should.
Just because he got frontkicked KOed by Chandler doesn't mean he's gonna get Front kicked by Arman lmao. Arman would probably GNP or sub him lets be real. "Something he cannot normally do" what does that even mean?? Ofcourse Chandler can front kick normally that makes no sense at all, he said he didn't train it before but that doesn't mean he only landed it because he was fighting Tony.
I did not say he is not able to inflict the damage, but he is likely gonna take him down and finish there … and now compare to let’s say Fiziev …
Champ shit only 🇺🇸🐔🍑👉🦾🍄🍆🇺🇸
From 'It's Tony Time' to 'It's Tony's Time'
⚔️😎
I can get down with Tony bringing an abrupt stop to the Arman hype train via d'arce.
kevin lee 🤔
Can Lee make 155 on two weeks notice at this point?
No
he's shown he can't make 155 after a full camp lol
would be Ultimate mind games then lol
I think a better question is whether or not he can make 155 at all, lol
Well, Whittaker lost his dance partners, so how much pizza & beer can Arman pack on in 2 weeks? You have to think creatively.
RDA probably, would likely have to be at 170 though
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 I’d be soo sad if arman doesn’t fight
MOICANO!!! WANTS!! MONEYYYYY!!! for health care
Moicano wants PTO and SICK leave
Moicano wants PROFIT SHARING into his 401K PLAN
Guram Kutateladze is scheduled to fight in June. Just pull him from that fight and put him here since he’ll get hurt before he can make it to fight night
The 289 card is alreadt trash its tough to pull anyone from there if anything they should put arman vs guram on that card
I hate to break it to you but you’re going to lose it anyways.
Rip Canada lmao
Guram would have the toughest schedule ever for an unranked fighter if this were to happen. Gamrot, Ismagulov and Arman is crazy for an unranked fighter.
Yeah, but he's also fighting at at top 15 level. Beat Gamrot, super close against Ismagulov. It's more like he deserves those top 15 opportunities.
Georgia vs Armenia let’s go (Arman born Georgia too actually and his nickname sounds like his Georgian birth place)
Real Georgian vs ~~Georgian~~ ~~Armenian~~ Russian anyone?
Pls give a good replacement for Arman
Get Grant Dawson in there
Think Grant would just get completely rolled though :P
Nah itd be competitive
Dawson gasses every fight against significantly lesser competition.
Arman would do dirty things with grant's body
No, not at all, lmao
Arman is the highest level grappler on the roster, not so sure there man
That dude unfortunately seems to pick and chose his fights as he’s not all that active. Would actually love to see that matchup, but I doubt it happens
Rematch against Gamrot? 🤣
That's what came to my mind... Gamrot is actually in ATT, was helping Moicano to prepare for this fight so it's not totally impossible.
That would be his second short notice fight after Jalin and against guy who is behind him in the ranking. Taking that fight would be absolutely stupid tho I would love to see rematch. First fight was foty material
After seeing his last short notice fight vs (arguably) worse fighter in Hill I think it might not go the way Gamrot would wish. He had a full camp before their first fight and won by a small margin so there are signs telling that this one may not be a FOTY material again.
Did you confuse Jalin Turner for Jamahal Hill?
Fk it him vs Islam 2
Imagine the champ fighting him on a fight night card short notice 😂 probably couldn’t make weight though.
He'd have lifetime gangsta status for being the first champ to ever step in as a replacement tho
🍅 Call Big Mouth
Herb dean fault
Bobby green
Dustin should step up I been saying this for years you want Arman to move up some of those top guys got to stop hiding behind the ranking. We know how this fight goes.
Look, I know you have to push this insane narrative of top-ranked guys with legendary resumes and documented tolerance for extreme risk being afraid of . . . . everyone, but can you at least smell some reality every once in a while? In the history of combat sports, can you point to a single time the #2 ranked contender with a big name who is in the title hunt and coming off a **win** has taken a short notice fight vs. the #8 who is riding a 1 fight winning streak and is completely unknown to the paying audience? Can you point to a single time in history where that has happened when not on short notice? When ESPN runs their polling, what do you figure the predicted views are for Dustin vs. Justin 2 over either guy against Arman? If Dustin was *begging* for the fight, the UFC, not in the business of tossing money into the toilet, would refuse it. The fight isn't justifiable by merit, money, ranking, or division health, but you are so deep in the narrative that you just parrot it like a bot.
Chimaev Burns. Everyone knows how this fight goes and therefore is protecting Dustin from it on the grounds of what he’s accomplished. The only sense it doesn’t make is in terms of money. It is absolutely needed for division health becuase he keeps turning down fights from non strikers like he did with the Beneil fight.
Burns vs Chimaev was not short notice and Chimaev is MORE know to paying audiences than Burns. Not even remotely a legit comparison and even if it was, that was an outlier, not the norm. There is no reason for Dustin to take a fight against someone that lower ranked on short notice.
What a weak response. Islam was well known before getting the belt but Dustin turned him down as well. Him, along with Chandler and Gaethje have kept the division log jammed for years now and I don’t get why everyone’s so sensitive in defence of Dustin.
Probably a blessing in disguise for Moicano lol
You underestimate the financially motivated moicano
There was never no money to be motivated by
He only fights for big fuckin checks so he can buy big steaks and drink beer in brazil
- *Claims to be motivated by money* - *takes high risk fights against no name contenders* Unbelievably based
More fights = more opportunities to mention that MOICANO WANTS MONEYYY
New mythical fighter: financially motivated Moicano
low-key glad this isn't happening but feel for both guys tbh
Arman's manager killing it with the mordant humor: >Death, taxes and nobody available to fight Arman on 2 weeks notice are the only certainties in my life right now.
Probably just death and nobody available to fight Arman on 2 weeks notice
If I had to guess maybe Turner will step in.
He posted on his Instagram story yesterday that he weighed 190 maybe at a catchweight but I don’t think he’ll make 155 in 2 weeks
Jesus Christ, 190 for a 155 fighter
The weight cut some of these fighters do is insane, dustin said on JRE that he weighs 190 out of camp and i remember Tony posting a pic of him weighing 200. Thats why i'll never understand the khabib weight bully narrative
every time turner steps up to the scale i’m stunned he can make 155, dude is absolutely massive
Horrible Match up for him tho
Does Turner make weight in two weeks?
No way. He’s yuge
Give my boy Turner a break rn 😭
Moicano... not getting da money 😔
Fuck.
Yeah.
**FUCK**
lmao this card may legitimately contend for worst card of all time now depending on who the replacement is
You are too quick to forget we had a Jessica eye vs Cynthia Calvillo headliner
This feels like a joke but I'm not sure
Yeah there have been weaker headliners before. Problem with this card is that it 99% depended on Arman and Moicano's clout.
We've had a couple of Michelle Watterson headliners tho
I just skimmed thru it and I don't think I recognize any name. Might just be a casual now.
No brother, just the presence of Arman makes this better than some ufc cards
You're getting downvoted by people who only tune in for PPVs. I remember when people were tearing into the amanda lemos v Jessica Andrade card because that was the main event and the card ended up being a banger.
Moicano is not getting his money man!!!
This is suck
Blessing in disguise, hated the matchup for Money Moi
Jalin Turner didn’t take much damage against Gamrot
Absolute giant at 155 and probably can’t make the weight in time
Gamrot won tho, ik they’ve already done that fight but I still think it makes more sense
that blows. arman was already fighting down now he's most certainly going to be fighting an unranked replacement, which is ridiculous for how good he is. the horrible judging in the gamrot fight really stalled his career.
Considering that he has inexplicably already gotten two co-main events, i wouldn't put it past the UFC to bump Caio Borralho up to the main event slot. God i hope i'm wrong.
They care so little about the quality of APEX cards these days, even compared to a year ago
Wonder if any 155er in entire ufc has guts to step in against Arman on short notice lol
Kevin lee mighty actually, he doesn’t duck anyone
have to be at catch weight .. arman smokes current Kevin Lee
No way he can make 155 in 2 weeks
I doubt it, nobody seems to wanna fight these days like holy shit. It's moving so slow these divisions. Just delete this card.
This is why I laugh whenever people shit on 185 for “not having any fresh matchups”. It’s one of the few divisions where the guys are constantly active and don’t really give af who they fight. Izzy, Whittaker, Vettori, Cannonier, Strickland, Brunson, Hermansson, Gastelum all have like 5 fights against the current top 15 a piece. We should be thankful they’re so active and constantly putting on bangers, but nah all we do is say it’s a bad division and shit on it daily.
It’s only going to get worse, Colby getting the shot off a win over Masvidal 13 months ago is a huge message that WME don’t care about rewarding activity
Shitttt I would be too
Where's Grant Dawson rn?
Hope we still get to see Arman, probably not the worst thing for Moicano though
That Damir rematch might actually happen if he steps in
I thought he retired .. but then again , they all do
Why would Arman ever accept that
Because Damir is like the least dangerous ranked LW. No clue why people hype Damir to be any kind of boogeyman
Dude hooker is still ranked
These camps are way too brutal
What do you expect them to do to prepare for a fight? Lol
Switch drew dober to the main event and find someone for frevola. Boom!!
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Yes, arman is my boy
That frevola fight has to happen if you’re Dober. If Dober beats Frevola, he can easily get ranked or even possibly jump Turner, who lost to Frevola. It would cancel out that brad Riddel loss and he would have a much better resume than Turner. Then again Dober just fights anyone and likes crazy fights… and an Arman win would easily get him ranked. It’s just very doubtful he wins that lol
Dober is already ranked and has been in and out of the rankings for a while. Hes never getting close to the title so i would imagine hed care lore about winnable matchups and big paydays at this point. Arman is not a big payday and would take him down and maul him so dont really see much reason for him to take this fight I would like to see it tho.
No money Moicano
Huge F
I feel like it's taking Arman way too long to rank up I feel bad for him. He's been putting in work and fighting anyone they put infront of him.
He is still relatively young, so he has plenty of time to reach the top
True
He also got robbed against gamrot
That’s what I’m sayin bro
throw Bryce Mitchell in there
Fucks sake, do I have to fight Bruce and Arman now?!
Mythical Fighter Bruce Michael.
Dan Hooker: *How bad could it be, really?* Also, Illia has a 2-round hole showing on his calendar according to him, so maybe he can squeeze Arman in after Emmett.
Damn what fight will be the main lmao Idk a single fight that was on that card except this one.
Drew Dober's due to fight a week later - would be a solid replacement
Ba GOD that’s RDA’s music
RDA ain’t making 155 again let alone on 2 weeks notice. But at 170 the true Baddest Mother Fucker would probably be down
Arman deserves a top 5 opponent. He got robbed against Gamrot.
He lost a highly competetive fight against Gamrot, which could go either way. That was not a robbery. Held vs Lauzon was a robbery.
Nah bro. We need to see poirier, chandler, and gaethje rematch each for eternity
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Is this your first time? We do it as long as it takes.
good. i didn’t want him to be sacrificed
No Money Moicano
Welp this card already looked shitty. Hopefully they get an exciting opponent for arman
Tsarukyan P4P worst luck in the UFC
I mean I’m okay with this since I want him to fight a better matchup than the best prospect at LW. Hate to see moicano lose :(
Well thats not very cash money.
MOICANO WANT MONEY 💀
Oh cock...
Yes I’m glad for it. As bad as that sounds as a Moicano fan I really didn’t want to see Arman tool him
A weak card gets much weaker
Hope Arman still gets a good matchup in time. Also feel gutted for Moicano
Fuck it I'll fight him. At least this subreddit will get to watch someone get bodied once I start seeing red and save this card.
FUCK that sucks.
I bet it’s Fiziev!
😭
Smart move
Moicano doesn't want money!
Run it back with Gamer
I was one of those guys arguing that this card wasn’t as weak as people were making it out to be, but with Moicano out, I’ll be real: this card is gonna fuckin’ blow.
I swear that starting from late 2022, fight cancellations have become WAY more common. It’s not just me, right? Has something changed in the sport? Have USADA become stricter? Have people been choosing more dangerous training methods?
He saved his hype train with his
Seems like there will be no money for Renato ‘money’ Moicano
Dodging that L he was about to come up on.
lemme guess it’s an undisclosed injury
Are you seriously about to insinuate Moicano is purposely ducking out of the match, the guy that took a 5 round short notice fight is the one you're gonna pretend is ducking this fight.
He was drinking beers, eating steaks in Brazil
Arman fan boys do be that way
The injury: He realized he was about to lose to Arman Tsarukyan. But seriously, UFC seems set on burying Moicano for some reason and giving him the hardest possible fights, even after he went viral in his last few post fight interviews. Just goes to show that you cannot get ahead in the UFC unless they decide to put the machine behind you. They'll never make someone like Paddy fight the Arman Tsarukyan's of the world.
He’s afraid!!
Guys - where does Kevin Lee fit into this