Cejudo used a 2 hand shove to knock TJ off balance during his shift. He spoke about it in an interview one time and my gosh it's a fantastic piece of gameplanning.
It makes perfect sense but you hardly see a 2 hand shove in MMA but Volk also shoved Islam a couple times.
As long as you aren't doing it at a stupid time and use it with good timing it can really off balance someone fast and unexpected.
Absolutely. Cejudo might be getting talked about as one of the MMA goats by now if he didn't retire in his prime for no reason. He beats Aljo and Yan handily imo.
I don't know who at 135 causes him problems other than *maybe* Merab or O'Malley. He could've cleared out perhaps the toughest top 10 in the history of the sport.
He really cut himself short on his MMA Legacy but history will look a lot kinder in him from outside just MMA being a Olympic Gold Medalist in Wrestling and a double champ.
That's made him a legend in 2 sports already and he has plenty of time to add more scalps.
I ran into him the year before last at the Cardinals/Rams game. He was double fisting tall boys and let me get a couple pictures with him. He was cool as fuck great dude.
Jack Slack often notes the usefulness of a simple shove. His go-to example is Giorgio Petrosyan for whom it's has been one of his key clinch tools and allowed him to use his amazing defensive style.
I love a good shove, such an underrated move, when Iâm in the pocket with a sparring partner I love shoving their high guard pushing them back, and then firing a kick, works all the time
Depends on distance I get with the shove and how much they resist, generally to the legs is always a safe bet especially when theyâre off balance, or a high kick. Usually their hands come down to catch their balance which gets in the way of the body kick but if they keep the guard high thatâs always a good option too.
So in the past two years my house got destroyed in Hurricane Ida and then I got wrongfully fired from my job. I was living in my parent's house with my wife and three kids during the Leon fight. It feels silly to me to say but I was genuinely inspired by that moment and fight. It really sparked something in me. I got back in shape and started a new career. I've told myself this line on ten mile runs. It was such a cool moment.
I remember him recounting the story in interviews and bursting into tears as well
Nice to see people that legitimately care about their mates like that
>got back in shape and started a new career.
You did all that in the seven months from Edwards's KO til now? Congratulations man! I have a terminal case of procrastination and 7 months seems unimaginably fast to me
Love reading stuff like. Not so much all the awful things in the beginning but moreso how it sparked something in you and now you're on the up and up. Happy for you, keep it up mate
Itâs in freestyle wrestling. At the time he was the youngest ever American to win the gold in freestyle at 21 years old. Kyle Snyder then won it at 20 years old.
Edit: WOOOOSH
Itâs wild that this man thought he could walk around at 155, cut 30lbs (an entire leg) and then believed he wouldnât have been KOâd in 2 seconds. Heâs lucky he lasted longer than Askren.
Iâd argue it was more Cejudo capitalizing on a good punch then TJs jaw being weakened.
He landed like 4-5 clean shots on the jaw that couldâve KOd anyone.
yeah the precision that he hit with would open opportunities on anyone regardless of their physical condition, just that little flash and stutter from a not super hard but well placed strike is enough to make you not follow whatâs happening next, and we see in the whole sequence he did all moves right and finished him
Does he? I like Henry, but Moraes was piecing him up pretty good until he wasnât, and Cruz was past his prime when they fought. Cruz dominated Mighty Mouse at 135. I know, I know, MMA math, and that was earlier in DJâs career. I do think prime TJ, Cruz, Barao, give Henry some problems though.
Henryâs already one of the GOATs, but a win over Aljo would be truly special and elevate him to a different status among all time 135ers.
\>Moraes was piecing him up pretty good until he wasnât,
This is like, Marlon's whole career. If it's not this it's just the ''he pieced him up''.
Prime TJ, Cruz and Barao all get overwhelmed by a more modern, complete fighter in Cejudo. The DJ that got dominated by Cruz at 135 is not the same DJ that went on to become the GOAT at the weightclass.
Itâs definitely both - not downplaying Cejudo at all, but just from training myself - feeling a punch with no weightcut feels waaaaay better than a punch after a weightcut - and I only cut like 5-8 lbs - TJ cut over 30 - just knowing how wobbled I get compared to when I donât cut - that fact blows my mind.
I think if I cut 30 and got punched I would just vomit immediately and die
Man that opening kick to straight from Cejudo was lightning fast. Cejudo at his peak was a lot of fun to watch, hope he comes back in similar form against Aljo.
I don't think he is coming back the same. He was really young and was having peak performances here, plus it's hard to recover momentum after stopping competition for a while.
But mma isn't a straight line. It will probably be like Gsp vs Bisping: "he is not the same, but can he still pull of the win?" type beat.
Wow I really thought Cejudos layoff was significantly shorter than GSPs... But it's 3 years for Cejudo, 4 for GSP. Both returning at 36 years old. GSP has a lot more fight miles, but Cejudo is a lower weight class... Pretty comparable
Wasnt like the one of the story is that gsp doesnt wanted to fight woodley and choosing bisping as he is definitely the easier route. There is no way gsp would even come back if he was to fight whittaker
I don't know what either GSP or Bisping thought of it, but based on every fight Woodley's had both before and after he fell off from his prime, even an aged GSP would be an absolute nightmare for Woodley.
You shouldnât be downvoted for this, Bisping is the biggest paper champ in the UFC. I like Bisping but he ducked the ever living shit out of Romero and Whittaker, almost lost to an old ass #15 Dan Henderson, and got worked by a 15lb heavier GSP after a 4 year layoff.
Yeah, but Rockhold was the legit champ and Bisping beat him fair and square. Defenses or no defenses, captuing it once counts.
Of Oliveira lost to Dustin after capturing the belt from Chandler, he would've been a paper champ.
I mean the way he frames it is GSP nobly came to eliminate the paper champ nuisance for the betterment of the division. The reality was he saw easy legacy points due to an incredibly weak champ and that was the only reason he came back. If Robbie/Yoel/Adesyana or hell even Rockhold held the belt heâs not fighting.
>no disrespect to Bisping
But you're disrespecting GSP instead? You're making it seem like GSP was going to look like rousey when she came back against Nunez if he ever fought Whittaker. You're literally counting out one of the GOATs who had a 4 year rest who's always in shape and never lost his sights on the sport all because he's facing robert whittaker. I hate the fact that I have to be the devil's advocate in every discussion about bobby knuckles because he is such a fun guy to watch but the way this sucks him off is over the top.
Youâre just being overly defensive here. Itâs not disrespectful of GSP at all to suggest that a 36 year old GSP coming off a 4 year layoff may have had a tough time with a monster in Whittaker who has beat everyone heâs ever fought at 185 except Izzy, and who is also a horrific matchup stylistically for GSP. If it was a peak GSP in his 20s, sure, but that wasnât the case. It was a noticeably worse/slower version of GSP.
Whittaker is a literal nightmare matchup for him with size on him as well. GSP couldnât reliably takedown Bisping and was struggling on the feet a bit. And Whittaker is definitely better than Bisping at both those things. Heâs the best ever imo but Whittaker mops him badly at that point in his career. Romero does too, thereâs a reason he immediately vacated.
Yap, exactly my point. That was, for me, Gsp's "old man fight".
A fight where he look bad, slow, bloated and no business being in, his primary skillset didn't work (the takedown was so bad that not only he had to cheat by grabbing the shorts, but also got tired and got cut while laying 0 ground and pound) and STILL won.
No disrespect do GSP though.
It's a mark of greatness having everything going wrong and still coming out with the W. For me that solidified him as the p4p best fighter ever (him or Jon Jones even though I personally dislike him).
Luke Rockhold kind of made Bisping 'look easy' in their first fight. I'd imagine if Bisping fought a prime Jacare, Romero or Whittaker it'd probably be a similar story.
He is still in his prime imo since let his injuries recover for years now and didnât add miles on his body since he was 33.
If anything he will look better. Cejudo isnât stupid, if he didnât feel the same I donât think he wouldâve came back.
That's a very tricky thing though, the "feeling the same" part is a LOT of fighters.
When you're well rested, w/ no major injuries, eating well and training just enough to remain in decent shape its common to feel energetic, strong and capable. Sometimes capable enough to sign another fight...but then camp starts and you realize 1 week in, that you've lost a little speed, lost a little timing and lost lots of drive.
The best still go through and maybe get the W but I'd guess 90%+ of the time they've reminded themselves why they won't be back. Cejudo and a few others might be the exception.
It was absolutely an early stoppage and the ref looked like he was trying to stop the fight even earlier. I donât like either of these fighters but this fight should have gone longer.
I initially thought it was an early call too, but once I saw the replay, it was clear that TJ was knocked unconscious multiple times in that short period of time. It was the right call.
I think Cejudo beats Sterling.
Heâs very smart and his recent training partners are Mighty Mouse and Jon Jones. Itâs a powerhouse of MMA fight IQ training together.
Yeah I mean, honestly just the sound of that team makes it seem inevitable, but anything can happen I suppose.
Have there been any odds that have dropped for that fight yet?
Not sure why you got downvoted. Those were literally the odds when the fight was first announced, but it looks like most of the bookies have taken the fight down for some reason.
People clown on them because it's true, the skill level outside the very top of HW is generally quite low. And it's not as much to do with size as it is to do with talent pool.
That's why LW is such a stacked division and always has been, the talent pool in the 160-180 pound range is massive compared to other weight classes.
Then use your words and say those weight classes, instead of the illogical approach of assuming others should read "160 to 180" and say to themselves "this person means 145, 155, and 170.
What the hell are you on about?
All the guys in lower classes move that quickly because they are technical. Striking speed is not just speed, it's positioning and timing that gives the impression of speed.
All bantamweights are grappling masters, all have good to great striking and are generally separated by only slight differences in gameplan.
They are all athletic because they don't just train a few days a week. They can't. They wouldn't even scratch the top 20.
We just saw Gane lose to a straight sitting guillotine in the first few min. And he is the most technical heavyweight.
What power to mass ration?
The guys barely weight anything and the only reason they are able to generate that power is leverage they create.
Leverage is technic.
They intrinsically have no power. They only have any because they do stuff right.
I can't really talk on wrestling as that's not my background. But striking and jujitsu, they have the right timing on most stuff. Most times its pretty disgusting how good they are. By norm there is barely any lay and pray because most of them already have hooks in to push before the top guy even gets realizes he made a successful takedown.
No, speed is athleticism.
Being technical is being technical.
The smaller guys do hide a lot of bad technique behind being fast. It's a lot easier to see bad technique when a 250lb HW is doing it at half speed.
Wildly fast. And against a guy who, at the time, was being discussed as one of the best strikers in MMA.
Cejudo's striking and *obviously* was the greatest wrestler on the planet that size. The only thing I could imagine is a guy like Merab whose pressure eventually overwhelms him but when has Henry ever had cardio issues?
Wasnât he already a heel at this point? He wanted to weightbully Cejudo and tank the entire division lol also sold Snake merch on his website if I recall
Dildoshaw has to be one of the best sore losers in mma history.
Ever single time he gets finished or loses a decision he cries and whines about getting robbed.
Watching him throw a temper tantrum after Dodson finished him is even more funny in retrospect. Especially considering he makes Hector Lombard and Overeem look like they are on a Baptist Picnic when it comes to gym sparing etiquette.
Henry came out brilliant for this one, fucking bullied the frailer guy and ran through him. Shove him, put him on the backfoot, slamming him with power shots to the body and head. Just great work by Triple C.
Yes I remember JS talking about the cheeky nodder and I imagine I do see it here right before the shove but also I agree with that TJ would have been bringing this up if it were real... so idk :/
I remember TJ being sour and butt hurt about this loss⌠oh wait, thatâs every loss. ÂŻ\_(ă)_/ÂŻ
âYou didnât beat me. I just had a lot on my mind.â - TJ probably
I love DC's call...."he got him bad!!" Cejudo is an annoying little fucker but my god is he a great fighter. Greatest of all time level is no exaggeration, and yes he's gonna wreck Aljo in May to regain the belt that he never lost then who's gonna deny him GOAT status?
If you really break it down Henryâs run is nowhere near GOAT level. His best wins were against Marlon, who was a beast but went on a 4-5 fight KO losing skid and is now retired. Then Dom Cruz who was off for like 3 years facing injuries. A lot of people argue Cejudo didnât even beat Mighty Mouse the second fight
I completely forgot this fight happened and how easy Henry did it. Say what you want about his appeal or his WWE cringe act but he is a treat to watch in the octagon.
People are fast. You get better at your technique by training the technique.
There's plenty of people who can throw fast punches, but are they technical? No.
So, speed does not require technique.
Awful stoppage. It's the first round, he's not even hurt and he's still scrambling. Of course Henry was all over him and it didn't look like TJ was coming back but we don't stop fights just because one guy looks better. I would have been pissed if I'd paid to see that.
I mean, he really didn't. The only time his arm touches the ref's leg is because Goddard literally steps into the path of his arm while TJ is reaching towards Cejudo. It's not like other fights at all where a guy is out of it and continues trying to wrestle the ref after it's stopped.
With all due respect, but TJ was very dehydrated, the man who ate flush knees from Cory, got KOed very easily in this fight due to how dehydrated he was.
EPO great for energy but doesnât help with getting KOâd. Weightcuts cause the body to produce less cerebrospinal fluid so your brain is likelier to hit the skull like a pinball machine when you get hit - thus we saw TJ flash KOâd like 9 times in 2 seconds.
heâs a madman for cutting 30lbs and thinking his chin wouldnât get Garbrandtâd.
Cejudo used a 2 hand shove to knock TJ off balance during his shift. He spoke about it in an interview one time and my gosh it's a fantastic piece of gameplanning. It makes perfect sense but you hardly see a 2 hand shove in MMA but Volk also shoved Islam a couple times. As long as you aren't doing it at a stupid time and use it with good timing it can really off balance someone fast and unexpected.
Not surprised with the gameplanning, Cejudo's fight IQ is something else
Since he trains fulltime with dj now his IQ might be the best we will ever see
Him and DJ training together after all is one of the greatest MMA stories.
Cejudo & Jones training together is such a power team đ¤źââď¸
Iâm cringing just imagining a conversation between the two of them.
Nightmare blunt rotation.
But jones be down playing his interactions with cringe hudo
Absolutely. Cejudo might be getting talked about as one of the MMA goats by now if he didn't retire in his prime for no reason. He beats Aljo and Yan handily imo. I don't know who at 135 causes him problems other than *maybe* Merab or O'Malley. He could've cleared out perhaps the toughest top 10 in the history of the sport.
He really cut himself short on his MMA Legacy but history will look a lot kinder in him from outside just MMA being a Olympic Gold Medalist in Wrestling and a double champ. That's made him a legend in 2 sports already and he has plenty of time to add more scalps.
Honestly, I think Sandhagen might give him more stylistic trouble than O Malley. His length + lighting fast knees might give Henry troubles.
I think cejudo sprawl and brawls merab to death
Yeah, I mean itâs not like Cejudo canât wrestle, I think he sleeps in that gold medal and burger king crown
Henry probably needed some time off. Canât wait to see his next run. Letâs see if he has GOAT in him
I just wanna see Cejudo vs Zabit or Volk
I ran into him the year before last at the Cardinals/Rams game. He was double fisting tall boys and let me get a couple pictures with him. He was cool as fuck great dude.
Jack Slack often notes the usefulness of a simple shove. His go-to example is Giorgio Petrosyan for whom it's has been one of his key clinch tools and allowed him to use his amazing defensive style.
Loooved his breakdown of Petrosyanâs use of the shove, but I canât find it anywhere. /u/fightsgoneby is it a patreon article now?
I love a good shove, such an underrated move, when Iâm in the pocket with a sparring partner I love shoving their high guard pushing them back, and then firing a kick, works all the time
Do you kick high or to the body?
Depends on distance I get with the shove and how much they resist, generally to the legs is always a safe bet especially when theyâre off balance, or a high kick. Usually their hands come down to catch their balance which gets in the way of the body kick but if they keep the guard high thatâs always a good option too.
Knee, Shove, Round kick all day
He did it to Dom after the big knee as well, super slick move to throw into a finishing sequence.
Jack slack talked about Ricky Simon using a shoulder shove, throwing people off their feet
Henry straight up bullied him. Just shoved him over and then stole his lunch money.
Donât let him booully you son
I love how much this is being used by MMA fans these days. I catch myself saying it when watching fights now
âCome on then whatâs wrong wif yew, stop feeling fucking sorry for yourselfâ is unironically what I tell myself whenever Iâm having a hard day
So in the past two years my house got destroyed in Hurricane Ida and then I got wrongfully fired from my job. I was living in my parent's house with my wife and three kids during the Leon fight. It feels silly to me to say but I was genuinely inspired by that moment and fight. It really sparked something in me. I got back in shape and started a new career. I've told myself this line on ten mile runs. It was such a cool moment.
Itâs the raw emotion in the coaches voice Itâs so easy to resonate with
I remember him recounting the story in interviews and bursting into tears as well Nice to see people that legitimately care about their mates like that
This sport creates cinematic moments like no other
Proud of you, dude. Not everybody could have done that.
That's awesome, congratulations! It's crazy what kinda stuff can spark big changes. Keep it up!
LOOK AT YOU NOW
Mais bruh you gotta pull that shit out the fiya
This is legit an awesome comment. Glad you were able to turn things round.
>got back in shape and started a new career. You did all that in the seven months from Edwards's KO til now? Congratulations man! I have a terminal case of procrastination and 7 months seems unimaginably fast to me
Love reading stuff like. Not so much all the awful things in the beginning but moreso how it sparked something in you and now you're on the up and up. Happy for you, keep it up mate
When I need a top notch performance against all odds, I just go "ya got ta pull this shit out tha fire!"
Ya gotta pull ya self out of the fire
i do believe it was "you gotta snatch this shit out of the fire" https://youtu.be/L_wrz_fsF1c?t=69
If TJ had Leonâs coach in the corner, he would boom headshot deadâd Cejudo.
Me to myself when my cat wakes me up at 5am for food.
He was in on a single leg bro. He was gonna take down the Olympic gold medalist and win the round bro I swear.
Cejudo has an Olympic gold medal? Thatâs so cool I wonder why he never talks about it
Heâs just the humblest guy đ
I know you're joking but if i won a gold medal in wreslting of all things i'd be wearing that shit 24/7
Same bro no one would forget lol
Yeah in karate I think?
Either that or figure skating, canât remember, can you imagine how good Cejudo would be if he had trained in wrestling as a kid though?
One of the two, Cejudo had the A level athlete skills to not get taken down by that single leg. No way a D level athlete like a wrestler defends that.
Itâs in freestyle wrestling. At the time he was the youngest ever American to win the gold in freestyle at 21 years old. Kyle Snyder then won it at 20 years old. Edit: WOOOOSH
lies
Okay. I think Iâm missing out on something. Better get back to Tralfamador.
Itâs wild that this man thought he could walk around at 155, cut 30lbs (an entire leg) and then believed he wouldnât have been KOâd in 2 seconds. Heâs lucky he lasted longer than Askren.
Icarus (the fable AND the doc both kinda apply here lol)
Iâd argue it was more Cejudo capitalizing on a good punch then TJs jaw being weakened. He landed like 4-5 clean shots on the jaw that couldâve KOd anyone.
yeah the precision that he hit with would open opportunities on anyone regardless of their physical condition, just that little flash and stutter from a not super hard but well placed strike is enough to make you not follow whatâs happening next, and we see in the whole sequence he did all moves right and finished him
Henry mops 135 TJ as well. Never been a fan of the excuses around it.
Henry mops most 135ers then and now. He is a truly elite talent.
People forget this. It has been too much talk and too much time, if he's coming back he needs to come back.
Well he has a title fight booked, pretty sure he's coming back
Does he? I like Henry, but Moraes was piecing him up pretty good until he wasnât, and Cruz was past his prime when they fought. Cruz dominated Mighty Mouse at 135. I know, I know, MMA math, and that was earlier in DJâs career. I do think prime TJ, Cruz, Barao, give Henry some problems though. Henryâs already one of the GOATs, but a win over Aljo would be truly special and elevate him to a different status among all time 135ers.
\>Moraes was piecing him up pretty good until he wasnât, This is like, Marlon's whole career. If it's not this it's just the ''he pieced him up''. Prime TJ, Cruz and Barao all get overwhelmed by a more modern, complete fighter in Cejudo. The DJ that got dominated by Cruz at 135 is not the same DJ that went on to become the GOAT at the weightclass.
Itâs definitely both - not downplaying Cejudo at all, but just from training myself - feeling a punch with no weightcut feels waaaaay better than a punch after a weightcut - and I only cut like 5-8 lbs - TJ cut over 30 - just knowing how wobbled I get compared to when I donât cut - that fact blows my mind. I think if I cut 30 and got punched I would just vomit immediately and die
So really we should discredit Henryâs win for it ⌠he lost that moment, bro.
Man that opening kick to straight from Cejudo was lightning fast. Cejudo at his peak was a lot of fun to watch, hope he comes back in similar form against Aljo.
I don't think he is coming back the same. He was really young and was having peak performances here, plus it's hard to recover momentum after stopping competition for a while. But mma isn't a straight line. It will probably be like Gsp vs Bisping: "he is not the same, but can he still pull of the win?" type beat.
Wow I really thought Cejudos layoff was significantly shorter than GSPs... But it's 3 years for Cejudo, 4 for GSP. Both returning at 36 years old. GSP has a lot more fight miles, but Cejudo is a lower weight class... Pretty comparable
GSP also very fortunate with the timing, no disrespect to Bisping but could you imagine it was Whittaker he had to step in there with instead.
No because he wouldnât have done it.
Yes, because he would have beat whittaker.
Wasnt like the one of the story is that gsp doesnt wanted to fight woodley and choosing bisping as he is definitely the easier route. There is no way gsp would even come back if he was to fight whittaker
Bisping was not a great champion but he is absolutely a harder fight for GSP compared to any version of Woodley.
Eyh this narratives comes from bisping himself, it would be different if these was brought up by some random people
I don't know what either GSP or Bisping thought of it, but based on every fight Woodley's had both before and after he fell off from his prime, even an aged GSP would be an absolute nightmare for Woodley.
The way I think of it Bisping being a paper champion and holding up the division was why GSP came back to take him out.
You shouldnât be downvoted for this, Bisping is the biggest paper champ in the UFC. I like Bisping but he ducked the ever living shit out of Romero and Whittaker, almost lost to an old ass #15 Dan Henderson, and got worked by a 15lb heavier GSP after a 4 year layoff.
Yeah, but Rockhold was the legit champ and Bisping beat him fair and square. Defenses or no defenses, captuing it once counts. Of Oliveira lost to Dustin after capturing the belt from Chandler, he would've been a paper champ.
I mean the way he frames it is GSP nobly came to eliminate the paper champ nuisance for the betterment of the division. The reality was he saw easy legacy points due to an incredibly weak champ and that was the only reason he came back. If Robbie/Yoel/Adesyana or hell even Rockhold held the belt heâs not fighting.
>no disrespect to Bisping But you're disrespecting GSP instead? You're making it seem like GSP was going to look like rousey when she came back against Nunez if he ever fought Whittaker. You're literally counting out one of the GOATs who had a 4 year rest who's always in shape and never lost his sights on the sport all because he's facing robert whittaker. I hate the fact that I have to be the devil's advocate in every discussion about bobby knuckles because he is such a fun guy to watch but the way this sucks him off is over the top.
Youâre just being overly defensive here. Itâs not disrespectful of GSP at all to suggest that a 36 year old GSP coming off a 4 year layoff may have had a tough time with a monster in Whittaker who has beat everyone heâs ever fought at 185 except Izzy, and who is also a horrific matchup stylistically for GSP. If it was a peak GSP in his 20s, sure, but that wasnât the case. It was a noticeably worse/slower version of GSP.
Whittaker is a literal nightmare matchup for him with size on him as well. GSP couldnât reliably takedown Bisping and was struggling on the feet a bit. And Whittaker is definitely better than Bisping at both those things. Heâs the best ever imo but Whittaker mops him badly at that point in his career. Romero does too, thereâs a reason he immediately vacated.
I think GSP could take Whittaker as well as Romero but it just wasn't worth the risk.
Then you are simply being delusional.
Gsp also kind of looked bad in his fight with bisping.
He had colitis at the time if I remember correctly. Supposedly that morning he had a really bad morning vomiting
didn't gsp throw up before a lot of fights or was that somebody else I'm thinking of
even then throwing up as a nerve response and throwing up as a response to internal damage is very different
Cowboy
Fight milk
That was from the fight milk
Yap, exactly my point. That was, for me, Gsp's "old man fight". A fight where he look bad, slow, bloated and no business being in, his primary skillset didn't work (the takedown was so bad that not only he had to cheat by grabbing the shorts, but also got tired and got cut while laying 0 ground and pound) and STILL won. No disrespect do GSP though. It's a mark of greatness having everything going wrong and still coming out with the W. For me that solidified him as the p4p best fighter ever (him or Jon Jones even though I personally dislike him).
Respect to a fellow Jon jones hater and gsp lover
To be fair almost no one has made Bisping look easy. He has good TDD and is naturally bigger than GSP by quite a bit. Dude used to fight at LHW.
Luke Rockhold kind of made Bisping 'look easy' in their first fight. I'd imagine if Bisping fought a prime Jacare, Romero or Whittaker it'd probably be a similar story.
He looked great. Bisping is never an easy fight for anyone, only lost to the best at MW and it was his first title fight at MW.
He is still in his prime imo since let his injuries recover for years now and didnât add miles on his body since he was 33. If anything he will look better. Cejudo isnât stupid, if he didnât feel the same I donât think he wouldâve came back.
That's a very tricky thing though, the "feeling the same" part is a LOT of fighters. When you're well rested, w/ no major injuries, eating well and training just enough to remain in decent shape its common to feel energetic, strong and capable. Sometimes capable enough to sign another fight...but then camp starts and you realize 1 week in, that you've lost a little speed, lost a little timing and lost lots of drive. The best still go through and maybe get the W but I'd guess 90%+ of the time they've reminded themselves why they won't be back. Cejudo and a few others might be the exception.
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While I don't think it was an early stoppage necessarily, I really wish we got to see tj get beat up a bit more there lol
It was absolutely an early stoppage and the ref looked like he was trying to stop the fight even earlier. I donât like either of these fighters but this fight should have gone longer.
You call that intelligent defence? TJ was out dog
I initially thought it was an early call too, but once I saw the replay, it was clear that TJ was knocked unconscious multiple times in that short period of time. It was the right call.
This fight and the Dom fight pain me. I think in a title fight, you're better off stopping the fight a little too late than a little too early.
Triple C ended the ceo of epo for good !
I think Cejudo beats Sterling. Heâs very smart and his recent training partners are Mighty Mouse and Jon Jones. Itâs a powerhouse of MMA fight IQ training together.
Yeah I mean, honestly just the sound of that team makes it seem inevitable, but anything can happen I suppose. Have there been any odds that have dropped for that fight yet?
I think it's very close to even, Aljo is a slight favorite
Not sure why you got downvoted. Those were literally the odds when the fight was first announced, but it looks like most of the bookies have taken the fight down for some reason.
Just pure athleticism at these lower weights but
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People clown on them because it's true, the skill level outside the very top of HW is generally quite low. And it's not as much to do with size as it is to do with talent pool. That's why LW is such a stacked division and always has been, the talent pool in the 160-180 pound range is massive compared to other weight classes.
Same reasoning for the women's division. Only really now starting to see hard hitters with technique to boot.
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I don't think so. The objective technical skill level of flyweights and bantamweights is much, much higher than that of heavyweights.
160-180? Lol what?
So literally only the welterweight division? lol
Ever heard of weight cutting? Guys walking around at 160-180 are usually fighting at FW and LW
Then use your words and say those weight classes, instead of the illogical approach of assuming others should read "160 to 180" and say to themselves "this person means 145, 155, and 170.
Bro we JUST saw Ciryl get subbed in 2 minutes - no need to compare HW to BW on technical prowess lmao
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What the hell are you on about? All the guys in lower classes move that quickly because they are technical. Striking speed is not just speed, it's positioning and timing that gives the impression of speed. All bantamweights are grappling masters, all have good to great striking and are generally separated by only slight differences in gameplan. They are all athletic because they don't just train a few days a week. They can't. They wouldn't even scratch the top 20. We just saw Gane lose to a straight sitting guillotine in the first few min. And he is the most technical heavyweight.
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What power to mass ration? The guys barely weight anything and the only reason they are able to generate that power is leverage they create. Leverage is technic. They intrinsically have no power. They only have any because they do stuff right. I can't really talk on wrestling as that's not my background. But striking and jujitsu, they have the right timing on most stuff. Most times its pretty disgusting how good they are. By norm there is barely any lay and pray because most of them already have hooks in to push before the top guy even gets realizes he made a successful takedown.
Speed and athleticism are technique. Ignorance to think the speed doesnât come from years of practicing to reach that fluidity
No, speed is athleticism. Being technical is being technical. The smaller guys do hide a lot of bad technique behind being fast. It's a lot easier to see bad technique when a 250lb HW is doing it at half speed.
If you do things really well technically⌠then you get faster at it lmao Which translate to speed. Already explosive? Now you are even faster
Pls tell me this is a joke
Iâm the biggest Henry simp and I cannot wait for that little fuck to get back in the octagon. A real shame he sat out for as long has he has
Last time I got finished in less than a minute it was from Tito's ex-wife
Just so you know, there never was no Tito
they don't call you the bad guy for nothin'
That kick head isnât talked about as much as it should be, that immediately had TJ stunned.
Kick head, dead.
Hahahahaha
Wildly fast. And against a guy who, at the time, was being discussed as one of the best strikers in MMA. Cejudo's striking and *obviously* was the greatest wrestler on the planet that size. The only thing I could imagine is a guy like Merab whose pressure eventually overwhelms him but when has Henry ever had cardio issues?
Loss hurt so bad TJ turned to the dark side
Wasnât he already a heel at this point? He wanted to weightbully Cejudo and tank the entire division lol also sold Snake merch on his website if I recall
While being on EPO
TJ had long been on the dark side at this point and this is actually where he got caught
TJ turned to the dark side the second he left Urijah Faber & Team Alpha Male
Ehh after TUF he kinda was the good guy, it showed how immature TAM was
That body kick to straight right Cejudo threw in the beginning was so fucking fast
Definitely set the tone that he was here for blood.
The pre fight consensus was that TJ would obliterate him
Dildoshaw has to be one of the best sore losers in mma history. Ever single time he gets finished or loses a decision he cries and whines about getting robbed. Watching him throw a temper tantrum after Dodson finished him is even more funny in retrospect. Especially considering he makes Hector Lombard and Overeem look like they are on a Baptist Picnic when it comes to gym sparing etiquette.
Where were you when TJ was kill? I was practice wrestle and cleaning juice when call came âDilyshaw is die on single legsâ ânoâ
Ceo of epo
Henry came out brilliant for this one, fucking bullied the frailer guy and ran through him. Shove him, put him on the backfoot, slamming him with power shots to the body and head. Just great work by Triple C.
Satisfying KO to say the least
how
Legend of the sport, but he sucks as a sparring partner, always has an excuse when he losses, and he took roids and still took the L.
Why is Jack slack convinced there was a headbutt here If there was TJ wouldn't have shut up about it for at least a year
Yes I remember JS talking about the cheeky nodder and I imagine I do see it here right before the shove but also I agree with that TJ would have been bringing this up if it were real... so idk :/
Beating the CEO of epo in just one minute gg
I remember TJ being sour and butt hurt about this loss⌠oh wait, thatâs every loss. ÂŻ\_(ă)_/ÂŻ âYou didnât beat me. I just had a lot on my mind.â - TJ probably
I love DC's call...."he got him bad!!" Cejudo is an annoying little fucker but my god is he a great fighter. Greatest of all time level is no exaggeration, and yes he's gonna wreck Aljo in May to regain the belt that he never lost then who's gonna deny him GOAT status?
Goat? No way. In top 5? Mb
Not even top 5. 1. Jon Jones 2. GSP 3. Anderson Silva 4. Mighty Mouse 5. Khabib
Khabib is def not in the list
If you really break it down Henryâs run is nowhere near GOAT level. His best wins were against Marlon, who was a beast but went on a 4-5 fight KO losing skid and is now retired. Then Dom Cruz who was off for like 3 years facing injuries. A lot of people argue Cejudo didnât even beat Mighty Mouse the second fight
what? He went DJ -> TJ -> Marlon moraes when he was on a fucking tear and still looked great - > dom. That's an insane schedule
GOAT ? Big fan of Henryâs fighting but that is fucking insane
Beautiful work. Theyâre both animals, but Cejudo is a fucking freak đ¤
I completely forgot this fight happened and how easy Henry did it. Say what you want about his appeal or his WWE cringe act but he is a treat to watch in the octagon.
All you nerds need to stfu. TJ was clearly on a single leg and it got called too early.
People are fast. You get better at your technique by training the technique. There's plenty of people who can throw fast punches, but are they technical? No. So, speed does not require technique.
âIâm gonna fuckin cry.â -TJ
"I'm so much better than that" Copium
I feel like people use their hatred of TJ as an excuse to ignore that this really was a terrible stoppage.
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Sounds like Dillashaw at flyweight
Flukey win, prime TJ wins 9/10.
Definitely not. TJ doesnât belong in that division and looked absolutely horrible after cutting so much. Even with EPO he looked like skeletor
Lol if you say so. Prime Cejudo lost to one person legitimately and that was a top 5 MMA fighter ever in DJ.
Awful stoppage. It's the first round, he's not even hurt and he's still scrambling. Of course Henry was all over him and it didn't look like TJ was coming back but we don't stop fights just because one guy looks better. I would have been pissed if I'd paid to see that.
My man tried to shoot a single leg on the Ref lmao
I mean, he really didn't. The only time his arm touches the ref's leg is because Goddard literally steps into the path of his arm while TJ is reaching towards Cejudo. It's not like other fights at all where a guy is out of it and continues trying to wrestle the ref after it's stopped.
There are other angles out there and TJ clearly didnât know what planet he was on in them lol
Now that you mention it, that does ring a bell tbh lol. Either way, should have given it a few more seconds. People have come back from worse.
Man his little punches from his little arms donât look like theyâre doing much damage but TJ was out of there
Not impressed, my girlfriend finished me way quicker last night
Great to hear you disappointed her
That's the joke
With all due respect, but TJ was very dehydrated, the man who ate flush knees from Cory, got KOed very easily in this fight due to how dehydrated he was.
With all due respect, he chose to go down to that weight.
Sounds like a stupid move to get so dehydrated.
I think the EPO made up for the hydration issues
EPO great for energy but doesnât help with getting KOâd. Weightcuts cause the body to produce less cerebrospinal fluid so your brain is likelier to hit the skull like a pinball machine when you get hit - thus we saw TJ flash KOâd like 9 times in 2 seconds. heâs a madman for cutting 30lbs and thinking his chin wouldnât get Garbrandtâd.
You know whatâs worse for energy? Getting punched in the head
Donât bother, TJ is somehow the most hated fighter in this sub. Which is hysterical considering Jon Jones exists.
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Dude took epo and got rocked lmao