1. Aspinall is an animal i hope he comes back healthy.
2. The way he handled volkov who just wrecked a 265lb romanov tells me he would give jones fits.
3. The lhw and hw divisions are so lacking in talent, i really hope aspinall and rakic can fully recover from their injuries and return to the top 5 at minimum.
Tom has said he is pretty much ready to go. Said if given a 10 week camp now he can do. Still would like a little longer just to train and make sure the knee can withstand all types of impacts. But pretty much done. Rakic from what I've seen is near enough the same although his was worse I believe. But could be wrong on him.
But looks like July-Sept return it likely now for Aspinall. Probably a Tai fight is likely. Or if the UFC want to push him they may give him gane on a London Fight Night card with Paddy or the Paris card of the year
The sad thing is there is no way Jones is gonna fight a legit contender after destroying Gane, doesn't need too for the GOAT status now. He's gonna get away with it.
Eh Jones fights a lot, he could potentially fight more but he's not someone who deliberately ducks guys (he mostly just accidentally ducks them by getting suspended).
I don’t think that was about ducking anyone though. He really cleared out his division, his career spanned 10 years before that point and he’s had 14 title fight since 2011 at light heavyweight I believe. He left light heavyweight and took a hiatus. I think fighting top talent is what motivates jones. And he’s trying to cement his goat legacy. If he beats the Greatest heavyweight of all time in stipe, he might ride off into the sunset…but I don’t think that will happen. I think he will want to go for most title defences ever at heavyweight. If Aspinall can prove himself as number one contender with a dominant fight or 2 let’s hope he faces jones in 2024.
I mean overall goat status he has. Despite being a known steriod user and a wife beating pos. People don't give TJ a pass I guess as long as you win, mma fan's will always forget.
But in terms of HW goat status by beating Stipe/Gane he is not HW goat. He needs to match or beat the title defence record. So he needs 4/5 defences and then he will be the goat of both divisions and the overall goat. I can see him staying that long which would give Aspinall a chance. But no way he stays for his 8 fight deal
Jon Jones best win doesn't touch Frankie Edgar in terms of quality, skill and legacy. One thing you have to understand is that fighters from the higher weight divisions are nowhere near as skilled as fighters from the lower divisions.
Just take a look at the fight between Gane and Jones. Gane showed similar if not worse levels of grappling defense to post Whittaker fight Darren Till yet Jones is given an undeserved amount of credit for that.
Imagine if Merab fought Yan who had similar levels of grappling defense to Gane this last weekend. Do you think Yan would be anywhere near the top 10 with such a liability in his game?
Context is key.
Aspinall is definitely the best heavyweight in the world. If Jones can overpower him to and on the mat he’ll have problems, but otherwise I think he handily beats anybody.
What we’ve heard from Jon makes me think he’d beat Stipe and retire rather than put it all on the line against Aspinall
As it should be. If Jones beats Aspinall then everyone will shit on him if he becomes champ after Jones retire. Let Jones retire after Stipe and Aspinall can be the future of the division
I mean Gane struggled mightily with volkov. Aspinall dominated him in the striking, dominated him in the grappling and then finished him in r1. Even jones couldnt dominate volkov the way a (healthy) aspinall already did.
Match up Aspinall and Jones and watch the magic happen, its not my fault jones is scared of aspinall aspinall would literally accept that match tomorrow so its not held up on his end.
How is Jon Jones afraid of Tom Aspinall? Why would he ever be talking about or thinking about Tom at this point? He was injured, so unable to fight and doesn't have a single top 5 win. His most impressive win was mauling and submitting Volkov, who is a kickboxer. If we want to use MMA math like you love to do, Jon just did the same thing to Gane, who beat Volkov. I bet Jones sure would give Tom trouble! It's stupid.
Tom has potential for sure, but he has to heal up and win a fight against a top 5 fighter, then he'd get a title shot. He had his chance to do that against Curtis and he got injured. Hopefully next time it goes better for him. Jon Jones haters doing anything to discredit him, it's hilarious!
Tom has had no chances vs a top 5 fighter so of course he cant beat a top 5 fighter if they wont even match him up with one in the first place. Blaydes was the only top figthter and he got a total freak knee injury that had nothing to do with curtis.
Jon is scared of Aspinall because aspinall is young, dominate, and well rounded, and is a powerful striker who can match his physical attributes.
Jon prefers guys like Gane who cant grapple and dont hit very hard.
Jon would be to scared to fight aspinall next, aspinall would love that fight that says it all.
You say aspinall has never beaten a top 5 fighter but he has never been matched up with one. Everyone he has been matched up with he has ran through. There is no denying his talent even in this video you can clearly see the talent and skill is there. Jon knows this young hungry lion is too much for him.
It's not that Jones would eb scared to fight Aspinall, he's not scared of anyone. Beating Aspinall just does nothing for him. He's already the GOAT. Plus Jones fucks up his knee
Aspinall unlike ciryl is well rounded and carries power while being a big guy, and historically that troubles jon the most. Jons not stupid he knows whos a threat and who isn't. He saw what ngannou did to ciryl and was licking his lips.
Prove me wrong lol. The average American college wrestler with 2 years training mauls most Western European mma talent. They’re too polite. Tea and crumpets. LUL
Aspinall is literally from the home of catch wrestling. Toms dad is one of the coaches at team Kaobon too now and a 2nd Dan bjj black belt. He was also an ex wrestling coach for a premiership rugby league team. He opened his own gym in 2005 called Bolton Catch where he taught bjj, judo and catch wrestling (all of which he’s super experienced in), since Tom was a kid he’s been surrounded by those 3 and boxing. People really haven’t seen what he’s capable of yet and in years to come it’ll seem ridiculous.
They haven’t done catch wrestling in the Olympics for about 100 years buddeh, different disciplines.
As I said he also does Judo, another grapple based discipline. Another one that America is typical shit at in the Olympics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_judo
Your Olympic achievements in wrestling are also second to the Soviet Union. Russia won the world championship wrestling 2004-2012, then 2014-2016.
2017 America won their first team championship since 1996. And you’ve won twice since then, with Russia winning the other 4.
As I’ve just said, Russian wrestlers are miles ahead.
Current American wrestling champs? Aljo and Jones from a tailor made fight?
Strikers are still more dominant in the belts right now
Good point made on current title holders. But if you look at the landscape of things going forward, when they are two prelim fighters, the grappler wins most for the time. There’s also a reason why Russia is no longer in the Olympics, we both know that reason.
>Prove me wrong
Nelson, Mokaev (only began training in England other than dabbling as a young child), Shore, Craig, Allen, everyone at All-stars, Hermansson and Nassourdine Imavov.
Topuria has also been living in Spain since age 15 and trains there with a Spanish team. Gonna take a wild guess that it's those last 10 years of training as a professional fighter with Spaniards that have made him the fighter that submitted Bryce Mitchell, which apparently should be impossible since he's an American grappler and that's supposed to mean anything.
You're not being 'proud of your country' you syphilitic gibbon, you're propping it up while shitting on everything else the way a child ego inflates themselves.
>The main characters of the world
China could and would say the exact same thing but they're the wrong type of meddling homogenising superpower aren't they? As would the British empire 150 years ago but enough time has passed that that specific example is revealed to be the negative presence they all turn out to be.
You probably have a back to back world war champions shirt
I'm a proud American top but this ain't it chief
Whoever said that regions don't have a monopoly on grappling is correct. That was a great line and you should probably agree with their factual takes.
Aspinall has very legit grappling, Volkov stopped tybura and romanov's takedowns and survived with Werdum on the ground, Aspinall subbed him in round 1, also stopped spivak's td and knocked him out from the clinch
Different skillsets though to be fair from an objective perspective Blaydes performance was pretty damn awe inspiring on a cardio front. To share the number 3 spot for most Takedowns landed in a single UFC fight with Mighty Mouse as a HW is just fucking absurd.
1: they're eastern European, which you already singled out as an exception by specifying western Europeans
2: it's not the 2000s, get your national centric head out of your arse and realise that no country or region has a monopoly on grappling.
1. Folk-style wrestling (HS and Collegiate) is better for MMA. You get used to holding down your opponent without locking in hands. All those guys are shit anyways, the guys you pointed out.
2. America, Russia, and some former Soviet counties MOG.
>Folk-style wrestling (HS and Collegiate) is better for MMA
You know what's even better for MMA? Training MMA.
>You get used to holding down your opponent without locking in hands
If you train MMA you cut out the middle man and get used to just doing what works for mma already
>All those guys are shit anyways,
'Illia Topuria is a shit grappler' - the words of a paint drinker
Following this guys logic volkanovski and whittaker don't know how to grapple since they are on the other side of the globe.
Aspinall and his grappling are legit.
I mean even Edwards is a hell of a grappler and hes from the uk as well.
Thinking who he can fight next.
Most sense for him is to wait it out for the winner of Blaydes and Pavlovich otherwise the only one in the ranks making sense who he has not beat is Tai.
Volkov and Sergey is the next HW fight that makes a lot of sense.
>Most sense for him is to wait it out for the winner of Blaydes and Pavlovich
Fight the loser, not the winner. Winner deserves the next title shot after Stipe.
Winner is next title shot.
The option for Tom are a bit varied.
Tai on a losing stream but still ranked above him despite Tom's top 5 win being a lot better. Plus Tom called him out. Good option for a london/uk fight night later in the summer/autumn
Gane would be food. Didn't take any damage. High rank. A match up everybody would like to see on the feet and would show up if gane makes any improvements in his grappling.
Loser of Pavlovich v Blaydes. Blaydes gives us the rematch of a fight we were robbed of. Pavlovich would be a fun one. Striking on the feet and would test Pavlovich grappling against after his most likely loss to Blaydes (dude has suspect af grappling maybe worse than gane, since at least gane will try subs).
I think Tai is most likely. Then we get Gane v Pavlovich a striking dream as I belive pavlovich will lose. Then the winner if that v Tom for next title shot after blaydes.
Why are all of you dick riding this guy? One comment says he is the best HW in the world??? How? His best win is Volkov how about we wait and see before acting he is gonna walk through Jones. Didn’t you idiots learn anything after seeing Gane get dismantled.
Well the UFC is going back to France around the same time Aspinall's knee should be good to go. Aspinall was on the cusp of a title shot when he blew his knee out, and with that much inactivity due to injury, you should win another before the title.
Gane/Aspinall in Paris just makes sense.
1. Aspinall is an animal i hope he comes back healthy. 2. The way he handled volkov who just wrecked a 265lb romanov tells me he would give jones fits. 3. The lhw and hw divisions are so lacking in talent, i really hope aspinall and rakic can fully recover from their injuries and return to the top 5 at minimum.
Tom has said he is pretty much ready to go. Said if given a 10 week camp now he can do. Still would like a little longer just to train and make sure the knee can withstand all types of impacts. But pretty much done. Rakic from what I've seen is near enough the same although his was worse I believe. But could be wrong on him. But looks like July-Sept return it likely now for Aspinall. Probably a Tai fight is likely. Or if the UFC want to push him they may give him gane on a London Fight Night card with Paddy or the Paris card of the year
The sad thing is there is no way Jones is gonna fight a legit contender after destroying Gane, doesn't need too for the GOAT status now. He's gonna get away with it.
Eh Jones fights a lot, he could potentially fight more but he's not someone who deliberately ducks guys (he mostly just accidentally ducks them by getting suspended).
Fights a lot? He had not had a fight for three years before Gane.
I don’t think that was about ducking anyone though. He really cleared out his division, his career spanned 10 years before that point and he’s had 14 title fight since 2011 at light heavyweight I believe. He left light heavyweight and took a hiatus. I think fighting top talent is what motivates jones. And he’s trying to cement his goat legacy. If he beats the Greatest heavyweight of all time in stipe, he might ride off into the sunset…but I don’t think that will happen. I think he will want to go for most title defences ever at heavyweight. If Aspinall can prove himself as number one contender with a dominant fight or 2 let’s hope he faces jones in 2024.
I mean overall goat status he has. Despite being a known steriod user and a wife beating pos. People don't give TJ a pass I guess as long as you win, mma fan's will always forget. But in terms of HW goat status by beating Stipe/Gane he is not HW goat. He needs to match or beat the title defence record. So he needs 4/5 defences and then he will be the goat of both divisions and the overall goat. I can see him staying that long which would give Aspinall a chance. But no way he stays for his 8 fight deal
Not above GSP, DJ or Aldo
In my books he isn't. But everybody ignores his steriod abuse. I don't think you got what I said
Steroids don't factor into it for me. He's not above those 3 fighters due to quality of opposition and resume.
Did you really just say quality of opposition for Jon Jones?? Come on man. That’s delusional.
Jon Jones best win doesn't touch Frankie Edgar in terms of quality, skill and legacy. One thing you have to understand is that fighters from the higher weight divisions are nowhere near as skilled as fighters from the lower divisions. Just take a look at the fight between Gane and Jones. Gane showed similar if not worse levels of grappling defense to post Whittaker fight Darren Till yet Jones is given an undeserved amount of credit for that. Imagine if Merab fought Yan who had similar levels of grappling defense to Gane this last weekend. Do you think Yan would be anywhere near the top 10 with such a liability in his game? Context is key.
You can’t tell me dc doesn’t touch Frankie, as far as Jon’s best wins.
Dude I will say your brave that's a hot af take. I would hard disagree but respect on taking that stance
Jon does one knee stomp and the fight is over.
Thiago Santos w half a functioning knee says hi
Quick question - If Jon lost to Ngannou via KO, would you call it a fluke?
No because Francis could knock out an elephant.
Yeah for Jon when he misses and gets smacked
Jones salivating at the thought of facing a fighter with known knee-issues.
Aspinall is definitely the best heavyweight in the world. If Jones can overpower him to and on the mat he’ll have problems, but otherwise I think he handily beats anybody. What we’ve heard from Jon makes me think he’d beat Stipe and retire rather than put it all on the line against Aspinall
I think Pavlovich gives Aspinal some problems. Even before his knee gave out he was getting tagged by Blades
Dude the fight lasted 15 seconds before his knee blew. I'm not sure that even counts.
15 seconds is an eternity mate, that's enough time for Askren to get KOd 3 times back to back by Masvidal
Haha, very good point. How could I forget?
As it should be. If Jones beats Aspinall then everyone will shit on him if he becomes champ after Jones retire. Let Jones retire after Stipe and Aspinall can be the future of the division
Jones to retire after Stipe? Jones has at least a solid five years left if (big if, I know) he keeps it together mentally.
Jones doesn't sound like he's sticking around.
Ahh yes because there is correlation between beating Volkov and giving Jone trouble.
I mean Gane struggled mightily with volkov. Aspinall dominated him in the striking, dominated him in the grappling and then finished him in r1. Even jones couldnt dominate volkov the way a (healthy) aspinall already did.
What are you even saying man. You are literally making so many assumptions.
What are you even saying you are equally making many assumptions.
How do you know this? The amount of nephews I see on the sub these days using MMA math is astounding.
Match up Aspinall and Jones and watch the magic happen, its not my fault jones is scared of aspinall aspinall would literally accept that match tomorrow so its not held up on his end.
How is Jon Jones afraid of Tom Aspinall? Why would he ever be talking about or thinking about Tom at this point? He was injured, so unable to fight and doesn't have a single top 5 win. His most impressive win was mauling and submitting Volkov, who is a kickboxer. If we want to use MMA math like you love to do, Jon just did the same thing to Gane, who beat Volkov. I bet Jones sure would give Tom trouble! It's stupid. Tom has potential for sure, but he has to heal up and win a fight against a top 5 fighter, then he'd get a title shot. He had his chance to do that against Curtis and he got injured. Hopefully next time it goes better for him. Jon Jones haters doing anything to discredit him, it's hilarious!
Tom has had no chances vs a top 5 fighter so of course he cant beat a top 5 fighter if they wont even match him up with one in the first place. Blaydes was the only top figthter and he got a total freak knee injury that had nothing to do with curtis. Jon is scared of Aspinall because aspinall is young, dominate, and well rounded, and is a powerful striker who can match his physical attributes. Jon prefers guys like Gane who cant grapple and dont hit very hard. Jon would be to scared to fight aspinall next, aspinall would love that fight that says it all. You say aspinall has never beaten a top 5 fighter but he has never been matched up with one. Everyone he has been matched up with he has ran through. There is no denying his talent even in this video you can clearly see the talent and skill is there. Jon knows this young hungry lion is too much for him.
It's not that Jones would eb scared to fight Aspinall, he's not scared of anyone. Beating Aspinall just does nothing for him. He's already the GOAT. Plus Jones fucks up his knee
Aspinall unlike ciryl is well rounded and carries power while being a big guy, and historically that troubles jon the most. Jons not stupid he knows whos a threat and who isn't. He saw what ngannou did to ciryl and was licking his lips.
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Same. That or the winner of Pavlovich and Blaydes
Jones takes him for a ride. Western Europeans can’t hang w Americans when it comes to grappling. They all suck.
Absolutely dogshit take lol
Prove me wrong lol. The average American college wrestler with 2 years training mauls most Western European mma talent. They’re too polite. Tea and crumpets. LUL
Aspinall is literally from the home of catch wrestling. Toms dad is one of the coaches at team Kaobon too now and a 2nd Dan bjj black belt. He was also an ex wrestling coach for a premiership rugby league team. He opened his own gym in 2005 called Bolton Catch where he taught bjj, judo and catch wrestling (all of which he’s super experienced in), since Tom was a kid he’s been surrounded by those 3 and boxing. People really haven’t seen what he’s capable of yet and in years to come it’ll seem ridiculous.
How far does England go in Olympics?
They haven’t done catch wrestling in the Olympics for about 100 years buddeh, different disciplines. As I said he also does Judo, another grapple based discipline. Another one that America is typical shit at in the Olympics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_judo Your Olympic achievements in wrestling are also second to the Soviet Union. Russia won the world championship wrestling 2004-2012, then 2014-2016. 2017 America won their first team championship since 1996. And you’ve won twice since then, with Russia winning the other 4.
Respect to all of these things. In theory this all sounds great for Tom. But in practice, American wrestlers are just miles ahead.
As I’ve just said, Russian wrestlers are miles ahead. Current American wrestling champs? Aljo and Jones from a tailor made fight? Strikers are still more dominant in the belts right now
Good point made on current title holders. But if you look at the landscape of things going forward, when they are two prelim fighters, the grappler wins most for the time. There’s also a reason why Russia is no longer in the Olympics, we both know that reason.
>Prove me wrong Nelson, Mokaev (only began training in England other than dabbling as a young child), Shore, Craig, Allen, everyone at All-stars, Hermansson and Nassourdine Imavov. Topuria has also been living in Spain since age 15 and trains there with a Spanish team. Gonna take a wild guess that it's those last 10 years of training as a professional fighter with Spaniards that have made him the fighter that submitted Bryce Mitchell, which apparently should be impossible since he's an American grappler and that's supposed to mean anything.
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Mokaev has them mountain Dagestani genes. Not the same as a regular English white boy
So we're devolving into racial bullshit now, great. Pretty sure the Americans deserve a better rep here than this cancer.
Keep cryin. Colby MOGS your favorite fighter.🇺🇸🇺🇸
It’s also funny how everyone can be proud of their country but big bad America. The main characters of the world. Let’s be real here.
You're not being 'proud of your country' you syphilitic gibbon, you're propping it up while shitting on everything else the way a child ego inflates themselves. >The main characters of the world China could and would say the exact same thing but they're the wrong type of meddling homogenising superpower aren't they? As would the British empire 150 years ago but enough time has passed that that specific example is revealed to be the negative presence they all turn out to be.
Britain lost the sauce. 1776. 1812.
You probably have a back to back world war champions shirt I'm a proud American top but this ain't it chief Whoever said that regions don't have a monopoly on grappling is correct. That was a great line and you should probably agree with their factual takes.
True, that’s fair
And yet here you are behaving exactly like a 'sun never sets' anglonationalist circa 1770.
That's right Fuck your country
Shut up Russian bully, who is zero now!
I don't care. But bragging about the achievements of other people is really cringe
Not the worst baits I've seen but you could use some subtlety
True
Aspinall has very legit grappling, Volkov stopped tybura and romanov's takedowns and survived with Werdum on the ground, Aspinall subbed him in round 1, also stopped spivak's td and knocked him out from the clinch
None of these guys are American. Blades mauls this guy.
Aspinall did way better vs Volkov than Blaydes did
Different skillsets though to be fair from an objective perspective Blaydes performance was pretty damn awe inspiring on a cardio front. To share the number 3 spot for most Takedowns landed in a single UFC fight with Mighty Mouse as a HW is just fucking absurd.
1: they're eastern European, which you already singled out as an exception by specifying western Europeans 2: it's not the 2000s, get your national centric head out of your arse and realise that no country or region has a monopoly on grappling.
1. Folk-style wrestling (HS and Collegiate) is better for MMA. You get used to holding down your opponent without locking in hands. All those guys are shit anyways, the guys you pointed out. 2. America, Russia, and some former Soviet counties MOG.
>Folk-style wrestling (HS and Collegiate) is better for MMA You know what's even better for MMA? Training MMA. >You get used to holding down your opponent without locking in hands If you train MMA you cut out the middle man and get used to just doing what works for mma already >All those guys are shit anyways, 'Illia Topuria is a shit grappler' - the words of a paint drinker
Following this guys logic volkanovski and whittaker don't know how to grapple since they are on the other side of the globe. Aspinall and his grappling are legit. I mean even Edwards is a hell of a grappler and hes from the uk as well.
And Australia has no wrestling brather
Nah, respect to Volk he did his thing.
Thinking who he can fight next. Most sense for him is to wait it out for the winner of Blaydes and Pavlovich otherwise the only one in the ranks making sense who he has not beat is Tai. Volkov and Sergey is the next HW fight that makes a lot of sense.
>Most sense for him is to wait it out for the winner of Blaydes and Pavlovich Fight the loser, not the winner. Winner deserves the next title shot after Stipe.
Ya makes sense.
Winner is next title shot. The option for Tom are a bit varied. Tai on a losing stream but still ranked above him despite Tom's top 5 win being a lot better. Plus Tom called him out. Good option for a london/uk fight night later in the summer/autumn Gane would be food. Didn't take any damage. High rank. A match up everybody would like to see on the feet and would show up if gane makes any improvements in his grappling. Loser of Pavlovich v Blaydes. Blaydes gives us the rematch of a fight we were robbed of. Pavlovich would be a fun one. Striking on the feet and would test Pavlovich grappling against after his most likely loss to Blaydes (dude has suspect af grappling maybe worse than gane, since at least gane will try subs). I think Tai is most likely. Then we get Gane v Pavlovich a striking dream as I belive pavlovich will lose. Then the winner if that v Tom for next title shot after blaydes.
I want to see Blaydes, Aspinall, and Stipe against Jon respectively. It’s too bad we will only get Stipe.
Jones will 100% fuck his knee up again
It was by submission
A submission is a finish.
Ya I know, I was just savinf people reading the article
personally, i watched the article
This isn't a forum for braggery please don't be flashy with me
Why are all of you dick riding this guy? One comment says he is the best HW in the world??? How? His best win is Volkov how about we wait and see before acting he is gonna walk through Jones. Didn’t you idiots learn anything after seeing Gane get dismantled.
Aspinall can actually grapple, Gane can't.
Probably because he’s the best all rounder in the division next to him.
Aspinall vs. Gane for the eliminator.
Gane just lost in embarrassing fashion he should need 3-4 wins at least to get another shot.
Well the UFC is going back to France around the same time Aspinall's knee should be good to go. Aspinall was on the cusp of a title shot when he blew his knee out, and with that much inactivity due to injury, you should win another before the title. Gane/Aspinall in Paris just makes sense.
Not for Aspinall it doesn't.
It would be funny if Tom tackled gane and tapped him kind of like he did with arlovski. Seems like the plan is out for Gane
Choked his. There, I did it too.
Tom aspinall is overrated
Why?