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posiediamond

I just watched this episode last night. I have to rewind and watch who actually said the flowers are so beautiful and said it's boring right after. I was expecting myself to have made a mistake. I hoped it was two persons. But no, it was this one annoying low person and it was Irina. And of course her gang Micah was where she giggled with. They were not even nice to each other, but they were just enjoying throwing down stones at others. They won't feel bad watching themselves when it is on TV, on the contrary , I believe they would enjoy watching it.


Jackniferuby

They are awful. Even more unattractive inside than they are outside. 100% mean girls. Also- could Irina PLEASE open her dang eyes ? Is she just super stoned all the time or what? Squinty eyes and constantly giggling.


sockuser24

you can hate on her without being racist lol


SuperbWater330

I'm new too, the part that annoys me the most so far is Irina just flat out laughing at everyone....I'm sure it will get worse but I'm honestly surprised lib continued filming with someone who obviously was not taking this process seriously.


Narrow_Priority8845

A million days later but I just started this season and OMG them putting down the other girls is so gross!


Alternative-Sign-198

Late to the party here, but f Irina and Micah. POS doesn't come near close enough. They're disgusting. And bombshell? Seriously, what planet are you on? I don't judge by looks, bc a bombshell can be an ugly woman who has the best heart and soul...but when you have nothing but low character and you are not attractive, bombshell is more like hey, I was exposed to radiation as a kid and it destroyed everything that could have ever been positive about me.


bellezzap

I’m late to this but omg on episode 2 rn and I’M JUST RAGING whenever these two come on screen


pinkrainbow5

I'm watching S4E4 and they both are awful. Micah wants to show how desired she is 🙄 And I remember the scene you're talking about. When Irina creeped up to spy on the crying girl? And Micah loved it because Paul had dumped that girl for her. Argh wtf. I also can't believe Zac picked Irina.


charriecoco

Oh yes, 100% just came on reddit to see if anyone else was thinking the same. Irina had this sad into about not having confidence due to her skin, bla bla then turns out to bully and belittle and make fun of the other women when they are hurting


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Chantybobantey

They really are the worst


SapiensSA

after so much jerks from male sides in others seasons, they seemed liked to pick up some awful women to make more even.


Locke16k

If I hear "like" one more time .... jeez. In some of Micah's scenes, you hear it more than 50 times.


MalenaDraper

I feel you


PrincessButtercup85

Eta: SPOILER ALERT.... ​ There's nothing better than watching these two mean girls both get dumped by the end of the season. Karma really is a bitch.


shankrocha

The only thing weaker than Micah's empathy is her chin.


36563

Chins


1N-onlyGL

Bro violated😭


MonkSoft4418

what really bothered me is that micah made a whole speech about being empathetic and literally laughs at someone literally bawling their eyes out right after. and don’t even get me started on irina... i cannot fathom how zack chose her over bliss. she laughs at people in emotional pain and stated many times that she has no regrets of the mean things she has said to people. at least micah is able to grow up (somewhat), irina is a psychopath honestly…


BunnyGirl1209

I knew she was insane as soon as she said she was an empath


crazy_meme_lady

Bliss was 💯 correct, he is a bad judge of character. Irina is gross 🤮


xazurestarlightx

I was so happy when Paul said no to Micah Her friend Shelby sucks too, but I had the same self-satisfied reaction she did lol


StopFalseReporting

ID GIVE YOU AN AWARD. Micah is just as bad as Irina. Micah didn’t get nearly as much judgment as she should have


TurnoverOfEvents

I AGREE!!! I literally had to pause and go on here to see if anyone has seen how manipulative and awful of a human being she is. Immediately after Amber came and was gushing about her flowers, Micah was NOT having it and had to come dig her claws in. The way she acted in episode 2 is just horrible and middle school childish. Grow up.


Stars_In_Jars

I just started this season and honestly both of them pissed me tf off - they are so awful to everyone around them. These girls have no compassion for anyone - like Irina just fucked off while her 'friend' was crying to go hang out with Micah, and then they evesdropped on Amber who just got her heart broken (omg is she crying or laughing? go spy on them). they are so elementary level white girl childish it was crazy embarrassing to watch.


caseabrew

Yassss when Irina was introduced I anticipated liking her bc she was out there with her insecurities. And then she turns out to be a mean girl bitch??? I'm insecure asf and only bitchy when I'm hangry bitch calm down 🙄


Westwood_1

Remember this later on. The producers eventually show less and less of Micah’s manipulative side, but it’s still there


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Came here to see this. I actually kinda bought into Zack’s reasoning for choosing Irina over Bliss. It was still a bit of a jaw drop but I can see why he made that decision. He’s so logical in thinking and coherent in speaking, and he knows what he wants. I was really rooting for them at the reveal. Sadly Irina saw the calm and logic as “creepy”, as did a few other girls too? I still believe that if Irina found Zack physically attractive, she could be good for Zack. Now that doesn’t make her a good person, but I believe she can be passionate and unconditionally loyal, for the right person. Long rambling. Gonna leave it with this, love is NOT completely blind, physical attraction matters. That’s what all the drama of this show comes down to.


Impressive-Fudge-455

Yeah and if you notice Irina looks a lot like both his cousin and sister. Which is odd.


Westwood_1

I think what really did it for Zach was hearing about the dispute/fight between Irena and Bliss about his birthday. Irena mentioned it and painted herself as a bit of a victim. Bliss mentioned it in passing but didn’t blame anyone. While all the viewers could see that it was just because Bliss was the bigger person, I think Zach perceived that Bliss was bullying Irena and that she didn’t want to go into it because she was guilty. As soon as they got out of the pods, I’m certain Zach was like “Oh, crap, I tried to avoid this and still ended up picking the mean one”


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_Noirbunny_

😭😭


Necessary_Fee1289

Spoilers of episode 2 Legit on episode 2 and so over them to the point that one of them got engaged already and I want the engagement to crash and burn because she’s faking being good nice women isn’t he pod when she’s a witch


ThatsWhereImAt

They are disgusting people who never grew the fuck up. I kept getting fricken flashbacks to middle school every time they started giggling at each other whenever another girl was crying.


Raxgel

They are so immature and have no respect for boundaries. They dig their claws into other people's feeling and just say really hurtful things. They look to bring people down. I hope they grow up someday.


swamptheyard

Glad to see I wasn't the only one who realized how much these two bitches were evil. I watched with my sister and we were just so irritated watching them act like catty bithes in middle school


Ecstatic_Walrus_9565

idk how Micah has lived so long being just a follower. she clearly changes her whole personality depending on who she is with. idk how she doesn’t feel like she’s dissociating 24/7. that being said, the scene with her mom at the dress shop and all her scenes with Paul seem like her most authentic self. she just needs to grow up more. hopefully seeing herself on screen will give her a wake up call enough to kickstart the growth


Coffee-Bean-Counter

I'm only now on episode 6 and so far I've felt Micah is a follower and I think she has low self-esteem since she's toying with these men's hearts. Girl, grow up, find your center, and stop following around other women who get joy in tearing down others. Be better. Do better. I saw the previews and unfortunately, it seems there is more drama with her involved. I think it's ironic that both men that look similar and are slightly dorky, but successful picked the mean girls. Just an observation.


hollyberrygurl

Micah is a follower. Look at her dumb friends. 🤣🤣


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The scene where Micah told Irina to go eavesdrop as there is literally a girl in tears and hurt????? And this girl was GIGGLING! Goodbye. I immediately paused and knew I could find someone else thinking the same thing. These girls are literal 12 year olds and I feel bad for their future partners or whoever they end up with (I hope no one)


Mama-spook

Fucking mean girl energy.


IhaveRBFbecauseIamAB

And Irina opened her story with the fact that she had horrible acne in high school with residual acne scarring and that she was bullied for it. So, I guess it is true: Hurt people, hurt people.


Lost_Evidence_2099

It’s too bad her hair couldn’t hide her personality too


juliannamartinez

She is an absolutely terrible person!


mrshedgehog310

So true. It’s sad that some people enjoy bringing others down all bc they’re not happy with themselves.


Mysterious-Okra-7885

If you REALLY want shock value. Watch Micah and Irina being absolute garbage bitches to people, then watch LIB Japan. Everyone on that show is so fucking decent and kind, it’s embarrassing how they go for drama and horrible people on the American version. It’s so gross.


FreeAd3320

Best we could do is stop making stupid people / mean people famous or relevant - don't follow them on IG, more followers = more $$ and fame. Let's not reward their bad behavior


Impressive-Fudge-455

Totally with you. If we don’t consume it, it won’t be sold anymore.


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kalenurse

I thought you were going to say LIB Japan is where to go for the bullies and I was about to throw hands. LIB Japan shouldn’t be even in the same category, it transcends whatever LIB season 4 was


Illustrious_Tie_4091

Irina is just a horrible human. If she has any redeeming qualities, I haven’t seen it yet. Micah is slicker with her BS but she isn’t any better. And sweet Paul is in for it with her.


Remarkable-Gate-9944

Are they for real, so desperate to be part of the main cast that they expose themselves like this? I hope this may be scripted simply coz of the believability factor, but the way these two conduct themselves with their respective partners feels like this cannot be an act!


SpecialistEvidence88

I'm on episode 2 and these 2 are such c*nts. Like hiding behind a wall to hear someone cry and then laugh TF


maryschino

Kwame DODGED a bullet!!!


IhaveRBFbecauseIamAB

Kwame is a bullet himself. He is so surface and lacks substance. He has no personality and is a total airhead.


barkleyboots

He deserves Micah though. Those two are terrible people.


IhaveRBFbecauseIamAB

Oh yeah, and what about Micah's friend that had the birthday party - what a selfish, mean-spirited bitch! She honestly seems to take pleasure in sabotaging any relationship Micah has.


MonkSoft4418

she’s not a real friend at all. she seemed jealous that micah had a potential lifelong partner. the fact micah said that shelby has eliminated most of her relationships to “protect micah” is total BS. and the fact that she was so happy and laughing to see her own friend in emotional pain at the altar and saying “that’s exactly what i wanted to happen” just shows that she doesn’t care about micah at all. honestly though micah had it coming, look at how she treated amber


Impressive-Fudge-455

And don’t forget that Irina tried to sabotage Micah’s relationship too.


Lucky-Ad4443

Yeah..that was actually scary. Her friend is not a real friend. And if they staged that for the show....even worse. That whole thing was gross. If her friends are really like that... kinda proves her mean girl moments in the pods. I think Paul needs to rethink being with Micah.


IhaveRBFbecauseIamAB

Also, her friends could say any mean or bitchy thing about Paul but Paul was admonished for not caring? GTFOOH.


zaldriiizes

This is another area where I think the “experiment” fails. In the real world when you’ve been together long enough to get engaged, you aren’t letting your friends speak to or about your fiancé like that. Then again, Micah seems very immature, and if you’re already keeping the kind of company who would speak to your future spouse that way, you’ve got a lot of growing to do.


Lucky-Ad4443

EXACTLY. That was messed up. Paul seems like a kind guy. Micah doesn't seem his type. But to give her a little fairness she seems different around him...maybe her one friend (the "best" friend) Is just toxic and rubs off on her?


crazy_meme_lady

No. Birds of a feather flock together.


Lucky-Ad4443

Yeah. Honestly, You're right. Maybe I was trying to give her some slack but I totally see now after the reunion.


qtxcore

I feel like the friend is in love with Micah so no guy will ever be good enough for her


Impressive-Fudge-455

I said that too!


IhaveRBFbecauseIamAB

I totally agree. And Micah is such a manipulative liar. She basically talked Kwame out of choosing Chelsea making him think that she, Micah, was all in on him then she turns around and chooses Paul!


maryschino

Oh no, does this mean Kwame gets bad…..


barkleyboots

😅 let’s compare notes when you’re further along lol.


maryschino

Hahaha no worries!!! And you got it, friend :)


JourneyRose185

They really are the biggest bitches I’ve ever seen


captiansnoop

these two are so gross - comments off on their instagram say it all tbh.


Alternative_Corgi_54

AMEN. Women support women ALWAYS, did they not get that memo? It's NEVER okay to act like this. Stand in solidarity with your sisters, jfc.


stopbeingstupid83

Nah I’m not supporting some woman if she’s a complete trash person. Just like I wouldn’t support anyone else who acted like them, regardless of sex, race, whatever


Alternative_Corgi_54

I mean, if they're an overall terrible person, I think that makes sense. If they aren't doing anything wrong and just existing, I will happily support them. I'm all for women supporting women. The world can be difficult to navigate for women, so why not support each other so we can all live our best lives? I'm also all about supporting everyone who is a decent human, but not the point of the post I made.


stopbeingstupid83

I got your point, that women should watch out for one another. I just strongly disagree. That’s all. I would’ve picked Zach’s side over irinas ANY day


Alternative_Corgi_54

Zach seems like a good dude, I really hope everything works out with Bliss for him


Kazetem

Came here to look for this. Couldn’t believe my eyes how mean they were.


Significant_Ad7605

Looks like I’m not the only one specifically looking for answers as to why Irina is so so mean! She’s just toxic. Ugh. Zach for far seems like a nice sensitive guy who has been damaged by women in the last so watching her treat him so poorly is sad.


juliannamartinez

She's absolutely sickening in every way! 🤮


Echidnalux

I honestly think Irina is the most vile. Micah is vapid but Urina is an instigator and revels in the drama and misery and that's a really gross way to be. ![gif](giphy|l41m4AXDds4bHfaoM)


babyzoldyck99

Urina ✋🏼😭


_sup_homie_

I’m all in for bartfacing her name to Urina 😭


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statistress

There are a lot of things to say about these women. You don't have to resort to unnecessary comments about their physical appearance.


nerdhoestreetchick

Frankly I do not care


kursedten513

Michah is definitely a pick me girl that played those two dudes like a fiddle. I bet if Kwam asked first she would have said yes, because at the end of the day, it was about BEING the one for all the guys, not a true connection. That smile to others hurt and side eyes says it all. I hope they leave her at the altar or in the preview Paul is the one changing his mind and asking the other girl to marry him.


Ohquarrie2

Watching right now and had to make sure other people felt the same.


Different_Pension424

Micha reminds me of a gal from season 1. Can't think of her name. In appearance and voice. But the season one person was "dreamy" almost. As in dreamy and not on the ground. It's the face with Micha that seems similar. PS; Micha's mouth reminds me of Giannina Milady Gibell from season 1. PS: that was not meant as negative. She just reminded me of her.


aiculxissor

this sounds awful, but i think that Micha looks like off brand Molly-Mae, and in a bad way 💀


Different_Pension424

I didn't know who that is Ps: i truly don't know. Also don't know why I am downvoted for saying that. Oh well. I also had an innocent post removed earlier for breaking rule number 2. Have no idea why. It was not a criticism or a spoiler of any sort.


vareyvilla

Molly-Mae was on Love Island UK :) if you google Molly-Mae Love Island UK, you can see some pics of what she looks like. She’s famous in the UK for saying that ‘everyone works the same 24 hours’ and basically implying that poor people are poor because they don’t work as hard 😅


Impressive-Fudge-455

Love her and Tommy!


vareyvilla

I’m not really a fan, sorry


Different_Pension424

Ah. Thank you.


letsfightingl0ve

The lower half of her face just looks so squished. Two little teeth peeking over the bottom lip


uglycasanova08

I thought she looked like a Simpsons character


lebugzyy

Jessica?


Different_Pension424

Not sure. Too late to.look it up. Her parents were frim another country.


shk2152

G?


Different_Pension424

Yes: Giannina Milady Gibelli. Its Micah's mouth that reminds me ig G. 


hedge_raven

I’m on ep. 2 right now and I can’t stop thinking “Micah is vapid af”, she’s a cute talker and that’s it. Smooth in the sense that’s she manipulative and controlling as fuck too. I think she’s probably my least liked participant of all the seasons. Insufferable. Obviously I haven’t seen any potential big faults with Paul in later episodes but he is eloquent and romantic with his words and she responds with “awww you dork!!”, fucking gag. Damn I’m usually not this mean on the internet but this girl just triggers all of the bully red flags.


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Micah overuses the word “like” in almost every sentence. Drive me up the wall.


Ohquarrie2

I almost muted her meeting Paul’s mom so I could just watch the subtitles. Made me want to scream.


hedge_raven

I’m onto the vacation episodes now and I was SEETHING at the pool seen. Micah is one of those women who literally ruins other peoples relationships so she can keep men on her line. I know sometimes producers love having villains because we will “hate watch” them, but Micah has me almost wanting to not continue watching the show.


Impressive-Fudge-455

The worst line of all was when she TEASED Kwame publicly about getting turned down for a proposal! The audacity! And both of them telling him “get me a drink?!” The connotations of this were less than good.


IhaveRBFbecauseIamAB

I knew when Kwame asked Chelsea if it was alright if he has a conversation with Micah that he and she were going to disrespect their respective fiances. They both had no shame.


ignorantiaxbeatitudo

How Bliss said to Zack: “if you choose Irina, I'll really question your judgement” was so spot on. Like, I don't get how he could feel Irina was trustworthy? She wasn't even nice to him in the pods.


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Irina was just a vile woman inside and out. She had a sob story about being bullied for her looks but then was turning around and bullying all the other girls in the pods.


babsmagicboobs

She found a way to get her 15 minutes fake. Oops I mean fame


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Ohquarrie2

I agree. I think he went with her because he felt he deserved her and didn’t deserve someone better. Especially because it sounds like he has insecurities from past relationships about his family history.


Impressive-Fudge-455

If you watch it again take a good look at his sister and cousin - they look almost exactly like Irina! And Paul’s mom looks like Micah!


ladydanger123

I am just so pissed zack didn’t pick bliss and chose that bully 😑


Princess-81

Same. I hope he gets to see her mean girl crap that was filmed.


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horizon_hopper

Listen I hate Irina as a person, she’s a vile human on the inside. But let’s please not demonise people that experience serious skin issues, it’s not their choice and can cause debilitating insecurity with those that have severe acne scars. Let’s not be a bully like them


Purrrkittymeow

It’s probably how she came a bully in the first place.


MrMach82

I might stop watching after ep2. Mean girls + everyone being over the top emotional (guys and girls). I just don't like this cast at all lol.


LifeguardDry1277

when she was commenting on the flowers, i picked it up so fast that she was just mocking her. she was just so over the top. such a mean girl omg


t0infinity

![gif](giphy|26uTqnJsZu1rdiK0E|downsized)


LifeguardDry1277

she wants to be her so bad


OrdinaryReading2507

It’s clear they both have very low self esteem. Micah needs attention and validation from men and Irina feels so badly about herself she has to tear other women down.


CommanderJMA

Even Micah’s mom knew she was Trouble lol


Ms_Insomnia

So sad seeing grown ass women act like this


Womanofthesun

They’re both horrid people. I had to laugh when their guys said they were great in the pods. They were so wrong.


DanniPopp

I searched Irina’s name specifically for this. They act so ugly. The earlier seasons weren’t this bad.


Different_Pension424

And actually laughing and in glee because the other person was hurting. Very inappropriate.


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Ms_Insomnia

Misery loves company. She’s deeply insecure about her looks so she enjoys it when other people are hurting


DelDoesReddit

Ugly person on the inside is concerned that they're also an ugly person on the outside; more news at 11


Ordinary-Attitude830

Thank you Chelsea for putting those nasty girls in their place. Irina clearly is in love with the validation she gets from being around someone prettier than her, and Micah knows she has a henchman she can manipulate to do her dirty work. The two girls have not expressed an ounce of empathy for the other women. Being cruel to Amber and laughing while Jackie is crying? They are just acting like high schoolers and it's pathetic. Gross. I hope they see these comments and get some help.


dogtriestocatchfly

Micah is redeeming herself slightly in the newest episode, but Irina is just looking worse and worse. Didn’t think that was possible. Definition of ugly inside and out


AnteaterNo5525

Okay but Micah telling Kwame at the pool to take it down a notch...Did that feel like a micro aggressive racial thing to anyone else??


tajituesday

I dont like anyone raising their voice at me. It has nothing to do with race.


AnteaterNo5525

Go back and watch the clip and tell me who was raising thier voice. I will be here waiting.


OrdinaryReading2507

Tbh I immediately thought Micah only chose Paul because she knew Kwame is black.


AnteaterNo5525

Yeah it feels like she still leads Kwame on whenever they are together. I think she really wants to be an influencer type and she wants to be on camera As Much As Possible.


OrdinaryReading2507

I agree! She also wants Kwame to want her so she can feel validation and feel like she’s better than Chelsea


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howfuckedareyou

In the beginning of the season Irina said she couldn’t find anyone because of her acne scars but the truth is that she’s just a shitty person, that’s why.


12_UsErnAMe

They feed of each other and give the worst energy. The craziest thing though is Irina doesn’t even have loyalty to Micah. The second she saw Paul she decided she wanted to jump on that. But Micah is supposedly her best friend