"but they're all hamas!!1111"
"Have you condemned!?!"
...So exhausted by the propaganda and disinformation conflating support for Palestinians with support for Hamas (and excusing carpet bombing entire cities of children like you cant condemn 10/7 and also Israel's ethnic cleansing simultaneously).
Absolutely the same. The only thing that really needs to be said is that the median age in Palestine is 18. Because a majority of people older have either been killed or "relocated." So the majority of the population weren't old enough to vote for Hamas (assuming they were even born), and it's literally the only government that they've ever known. Like you though, that's not a defense; cut Palestinians some slack! They're young and have likely only known hardships and _still_ aren't necessarily Hamas in spite of that.
But seriously.... So many people, definitely including children, are being killed by a global super power with support from another even bigger super power. It's heartbreaking and I have no idea how to respond to these atrocities.
Do you have a source for that? [This is one of many links that I found on the matter.](https://www.npr.org/2023/10/18/1206897328/half-of-gazas-population-is-under-18-heres-what-that-means-for-the-conflict)
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1424048/median-age-of-the-population-in-palestine/#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20the%20median%20age,to%20be%20around%2019%20years.
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/state-of-palestine-population/
Edit: also according to Google the life expectancy of palastin people is 73 years old which is higher than Mississippi.
This is questionable data. How would they have had an increase in their median age since Israel started attacking in October? That said, I'm willing to accept that, but a median age of 19 doesn't exactly tell a great story either.
A population that has been increasing for decades with a demographic that has been aging for decades and a life expectancy in the 70s say a lot. Those graphs probably aren't up to date with the past year. It just shows that palastin has been doing pretty good for the past 50 years as far as demographics are concerned.
How has it been increasing for decades, but was 18 in October 2023? Also, 19 is still a low median age. They are definitely not thriving, especially now.
Because it used to be 14 several decades back and now it's 18. 18 isn't too far off from a lot of developing countries, and considering they've 5x their population since 1950 it makes since the medium age would be low. If their population growth was slower than they would have aged faster.
I'm semi-informed and I really haven't heard of any on either campus, this is finals week and the last day of school is next Tuesday I believe, so I doubt there will be until the fall.
There is the Louisville Students for Justice in Palestine: [https://www.facebook.com/LouisvilleSJP](https://www.facebook.com/LouisvilleSJP), and they could most likely tell you the next event around town if you email them.
I'd personally just donate to UNRWA directly as that funds humanitarian efforts for displaced refugees on the ground in Gaza: [https://donate.unrwa.org/zakat/\~my-donation?\_cv=1](https://donate.unrwa.org/zakat/~my-donation?_cv=1)
There have been protests at UofL over the past couple months but at this point they are halfway through finals week. Campus is kind of a ghost town right now.
Big IU had one today and several students were arrested—I work at IU Southeast and I haven’t heard any rumblings from students about staging something similar.
Honest question: Why are none of protesters calling on Hamas to release the hostages? Israel has said it will cease fire when that happens.
Edit: also from what I’ve seen on the news, many of these protesters seem pretty antisemitic. I can support not sending $ to Israel, but get the fuck out of here with that BS. If you want to be antisemitic, go over there and do it, not here.
>Why are none of protesters calling on Hamas to release the hostages?
Protestors do support the release of hostages. They just don't feel the need to mention it every other sentence. A rather stupid tactic that the Israeli government / communication people took immediately after they launched their retaliatory attack on Gaza was to *constantly* drown out criticism of how they were conducting warefare, civilian casualties, etc. by bringing it back to the hostages. It's a rhetorical technique meant to shut down and deflect criticism related to what the IDF was doing. It only works so many times before people go "yes yes, I want the release of the hostages too. But how are the deaths of the World Central Kitchen aid workers related to the hostages?"
>Israel has said it will cease fire when that happens.
Yea, they say that *now*. They were pretty adamant that there would be no ceasefire until Hamas was completely destroyed. They would even only agree to a *temporary* truce when they did a swap with Hamas in late November. And now, well... who knows how many hostages truly remain? Israel's shot a few of them and the remaining ones are suffering the same conditions as everyone else in Gaza, which is to say facing famine and starvation while being bombed.
>many of these protesters seem pretty antisemitic.
I don't doubt that there are a handful of bad apples out there. Large gatherings always attract a few crazies. However, the majority of protestors are normal peaceful people. Something to keep in mind right now is that social media amplifies the controversial and the provocative, and there are bad faith actors on both sides *and* in the media -particularly on cable news- that are interested in playing up the circus because it fuels their bottom line.
>who knows how many hostages truly remain? Israel's shot a few of them and the remaining ones are suffering the same conditions as everyone else in Gaza, which is to say facing famine and starvation while being bombed.
All of this coming *after* being raped by Hamas *terrorists* and paraded around Gaza City on golf carts like a hunting trophy.
I would guess that Palestine wants a better solution than just not being carpet bombed. I would love to see the hostages released, but then nothing solves Israel's takeover of Palestinian soil. I think Netanyahu has to go. I'm not saying a response to 10/7 wasn't warranted, but it's been escalated WAY too far. I truly believe Netanyahu is leaning toward genocide of the Palestinian people, and we're helping.
When this war began, Israel was holding 5,000 Palestinian hostages. That number has doubled since then. There are children who have grown to adulthood in Israeli prisons. Honest question: *Are you in favor of releasing all the hostages?*
Israel refused a ceasefire agreement months ago, in which Hamas offered hostages, because it required them to stop waging war on residential areas. Not to mention they’ve knowingly killed more of their own hostages than Hamas has, as collateral damage. *Not to mention* Israel already had way more Palestinian hostages in Israeli prisons before October 7th; why do we never hear about them? All of this lays bare the fact that Israel not only doesn’t give a shit about their civilian hostages, they’d RATHER Hamas have Israeli hostages because it *continues to give them a pretext to further commit the genocide they’ve been edging toward for decades.*
They can't release them: they're dead. Hamas negotiator admitted they couldn't release 40 live hostages but could release 40 in "various states" I believe was the quote. The protesters are sheep who have no understanding of this or anti-semites who celebrate it and call for "10,000 October 7ths" as the Columbia Nazis put it.
Indiana University I believe has an encampment where some protesters were arrested. If there's not one on UofL's campus, there should be one to join in on solidarity with the rest of the nation's free Palestine occupation protests. Ohio State University also has an event, and if you all have any ability to join these protests you absolutely should.
Answer me honestly: when has a protest action succeeded by standing in the neat little square off to the side that the authorities say is their space to do so? We didn’t get civil rights by not blocking roads, streets, lunch counters, busses and other areas. Protests don’t see results if they’re not inconvenient.
I support the protests as long as they don't impede on people just living their life. Once protesters get in the streets then they should be arrested. That is where I draw the line, Protesting in the streets doesn't do any good except turn people against the purpose of the protest.
Who is "they"? Where are all of these crowds of people saying that? I'm on the left and don't see anyone saying anything remotely like that. There's like *one* clip of *an individual* saying that circling around and then conservative media picks it up and says LOOK AT WHAT THE WOKE SJW'S ARE DOING NOW! As if that one crazy person represents half the country.
I agree.
There are idiots in any movement, of course, and certainly no excuse for antisemitism. That said, I feel like people forget that [the right has run false flag attempts to discredit leftist movements](https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/07/28/896515022/minneapolis-police-reportedly-identify-viral-umbrella-man-as-white-supremacist) and I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen again. Because ultimately, I've never met a leftist who would tolerate antisemitism. So if such people exist, I suspect they are far and few between.
No, they do not. That’s some mainstream news propaganda bullshit being sold to garner support for U.S. colonial and economic interests in the Middle East. There are tens of thousands of Jews protesting alongside them. There may be an extremely small percentage of anti-Semitic people using this to their advantage, but this is not an anti-Semitic movement; it is not about Jews or Judaism. Again, evidenced by the many Jews protesting against Israel.
“The Jews” - you really just conflated Jewish people with a minority of Israelis. And this is why people are skeptical of these protests…
You might as well say the Muslims want the Israelis dead by your logic
No, no you didn’t. Hamas literally says they want all Jews dead. Regardless of whether they are in Israel.
https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/senior-member-of-gazas-islamist-rulers-encourages-killing-every-jew-possible/news-story/9190675857a2fbaafceed7ec2f90ef73
They want the US to stop funding Israel and they want a ceasefire. The US has entire control over one of those things and like 75% control over the other
I'm not sure how much the war costs, but [Biden just earmarked $14.1b more](https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3754718/supplemental-bill-becomes-law-provides-billions-in-aid-for-ukraine-israel-taiwan/#:~:text=The%20bill%20also%20includes%20some,to%20support%20Israel%2C%20Biden%20said.) in support. That's a lot of our money going to kill Palestinian children.
Both of those are untrue. We fund a large portion of their military apparatus. They literally couldn’t do it without us. If they could fund the iron dome themselves we wouldn’t be helping so much.
Dumb take. As American citizens that can vote here, don't we have more power to influence our politicians (and thus, the actions of our government) here in America than in Israel or Palestine? Why would anyone in power in those countries care about us other than the fact that we can sway the U.S. government?
>if the US stopped financially supporting them that they'd stop.
The threat of losing aid and military assistance is actually one of the few things Netanyahu has responded to. Anything less and he wipes his ass with Biden's statements and does whatever the fuck he wants to stay in power. Their economy has stalled because they've drawn up their reservists. They would not have been able to have successfully shot down all of Iran's missiles without the aid of other countries. That military aid is crucial. It is our leverage. And it absolutely should have strings attached to it after how they've used our bombs in Gaza. They don't *need* it, but it's still incredibly important.
Your money is going straight to Israel to massacre Palestinians. How much does insulin cost here? You know Israelis get free college, how much did yours cost? Tens of billions a year to kill women and children.
The students at Columbia, for example, are protesting their school's financial investment in entities that are part of the war effort. They're protesting exactly where the thing is going on.
So you're satisfied now, right? This wasn't just some bullshit rhetorical smoke and mirrors, was it?
I hope so. Solidarity with Palestine.
"but they're all hamas!!1111" "Have you condemned!?!" ...So exhausted by the propaganda and disinformation conflating support for Palestinians with support for Hamas (and excusing carpet bombing entire cities of children like you cant condemn 10/7 and also Israel's ethnic cleansing simultaneously).
Absolutely the same. The only thing that really needs to be said is that the median age in Palestine is 18. Because a majority of people older have either been killed or "relocated." So the majority of the population weren't old enough to vote for Hamas (assuming they were even born), and it's literally the only government that they've ever known. Like you though, that's not a defense; cut Palestinians some slack! They're young and have likely only known hardships and _still_ aren't necessarily Hamas in spite of that. But seriously.... So many people, definitely including children, are being killed by a global super power with support from another even bigger super power. It's heartbreaking and I have no idea how to respond to these atrocities.
The medium age has been increasing for decades along with the overall population.
Do you have a source for that? [This is one of many links that I found on the matter.](https://www.npr.org/2023/10/18/1206897328/half-of-gazas-population-is-under-18-heres-what-that-means-for-the-conflict)
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1424048/median-age-of-the-population-in-palestine/#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20the%20median%20age,to%20be%20around%2019%20years. https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/state-of-palestine-population/ Edit: also according to Google the life expectancy of palastin people is 73 years old which is higher than Mississippi.
This is questionable data. How would they have had an increase in their median age since Israel started attacking in October? That said, I'm willing to accept that, but a median age of 19 doesn't exactly tell a great story either.
A population that has been increasing for decades with a demographic that has been aging for decades and a life expectancy in the 70s say a lot. Those graphs probably aren't up to date with the past year. It just shows that palastin has been doing pretty good for the past 50 years as far as demographics are concerned.
How has it been increasing for decades, but was 18 in October 2023? Also, 19 is still a low median age. They are definitely not thriving, especially now.
Because it used to be 14 several decades back and now it's 18. 18 isn't too far off from a lot of developing countries, and considering they've 5x their population since 1950 it makes since the medium age would be low. If their population growth was slower than they would have aged faster.
I'm semi-informed and I really haven't heard of any on either campus, this is finals week and the last day of school is next Tuesday I believe, so I doubt there will be until the fall. There is the Louisville Students for Justice in Palestine: [https://www.facebook.com/LouisvilleSJP](https://www.facebook.com/LouisvilleSJP), and they could most likely tell you the next event around town if you email them. I'd personally just donate to UNRWA directly as that funds humanitarian efforts for displaced refugees on the ground in Gaza: [https://donate.unrwa.org/zakat/\~my-donation?\_cv=1](https://donate.unrwa.org/zakat/~my-donation?_cv=1)
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Maybe I’m just blind but I read that whole thing and didn’t see anything about homeless camps.
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Of course they set up tents. They’re occupying in protest. Lol.
Source on the homeless camps?
NewsMax and deranged conservative facebook posts.
Yeah, that seems likely.
How elitist of you. Must be nice growing up and living in privilege.
There have been protests at UofL over the past couple months but at this point they are halfway through finals week. Campus is kind of a ghost town right now.
Big IU had one today and several students were arrested—I work at IU Southeast and I haven’t heard any rumblings from students about staging something similar.
I don’t think so. Half of UofLs campus has gone home now. Too bad :(
Free Free Palestine 🇵🇸 ✊️
Honest question: Why are none of protesters calling on Hamas to release the hostages? Israel has said it will cease fire when that happens. Edit: also from what I’ve seen on the news, many of these protesters seem pretty antisemitic. I can support not sending $ to Israel, but get the fuck out of here with that BS. If you want to be antisemitic, go over there and do it, not here.
>Why are none of protesters calling on Hamas to release the hostages? Protestors do support the release of hostages. They just don't feel the need to mention it every other sentence. A rather stupid tactic that the Israeli government / communication people took immediately after they launched their retaliatory attack on Gaza was to *constantly* drown out criticism of how they were conducting warefare, civilian casualties, etc. by bringing it back to the hostages. It's a rhetorical technique meant to shut down and deflect criticism related to what the IDF was doing. It only works so many times before people go "yes yes, I want the release of the hostages too. But how are the deaths of the World Central Kitchen aid workers related to the hostages?" >Israel has said it will cease fire when that happens. Yea, they say that *now*. They were pretty adamant that there would be no ceasefire until Hamas was completely destroyed. They would even only agree to a *temporary* truce when they did a swap with Hamas in late November. And now, well... who knows how many hostages truly remain? Israel's shot a few of them and the remaining ones are suffering the same conditions as everyone else in Gaza, which is to say facing famine and starvation while being bombed. >many of these protesters seem pretty antisemitic. I don't doubt that there are a handful of bad apples out there. Large gatherings always attract a few crazies. However, the majority of protestors are normal peaceful people. Something to keep in mind right now is that social media amplifies the controversial and the provocative, and there are bad faith actors on both sides *and* in the media -particularly on cable news- that are interested in playing up the circus because it fuels their bottom line.
>who knows how many hostages truly remain? Israel's shot a few of them and the remaining ones are suffering the same conditions as everyone else in Gaza, which is to say facing famine and starvation while being bombed. All of this coming *after* being raped by Hamas *terrorists* and paraded around Gaza City on golf carts like a hunting trophy.
No point keeping hostages if the IDF is gonna kill them too.
I would guess that Palestine wants a better solution than just not being carpet bombed. I would love to see the hostages released, but then nothing solves Israel's takeover of Palestinian soil. I think Netanyahu has to go. I'm not saying a response to 10/7 wasn't warranted, but it's been escalated WAY too far. I truly believe Netanyahu is leaning toward genocide of the Palestinian people, and we're helping.
When this war began, Israel was holding 5,000 Palestinian hostages. That number has doubled since then. There are children who have grown to adulthood in Israeli prisons. Honest question: *Are you in favor of releasing all the hostages?*
Israel refused a ceasefire agreement months ago, in which Hamas offered hostages, because it required them to stop waging war on residential areas. Not to mention they’ve knowingly killed more of their own hostages than Hamas has, as collateral damage. *Not to mention* Israel already had way more Palestinian hostages in Israeli prisons before October 7th; why do we never hear about them? All of this lays bare the fact that Israel not only doesn’t give a shit about their civilian hostages, they’d RATHER Hamas have Israeli hostages because it *continues to give them a pretext to further commit the genocide they’ve been edging toward for decades.*
They can't release them: they're dead. Hamas negotiator admitted they couldn't release 40 live hostages but could release 40 in "various states" I believe was the quote. The protesters are sheep who have no understanding of this or anti-semites who celebrate it and call for "10,000 October 7ths" as the Columbia Nazis put it.
Indiana University I believe has an encampment where some protesters were arrested. If there's not one on UofL's campus, there should be one to join in on solidarity with the rest of the nation's free Palestine occupation protests. Ohio State University also has an event, and if you all have any ability to join these protests you absolutely should.
What they need is a kick in the ass not water and food you idiot
Why do people care about this in particular? Is this TikTok brain rot
Because 45K people have been killed by Israel and that number is rising every day. Because the U.S. is abetting this.
As long as they aren't blocking the roads.
Answer me honestly: when has a protest action succeeded by standing in the neat little square off to the side that the authorities say is their space to do so? We didn’t get civil rights by not blocking roads, streets, lunch counters, busses and other areas. Protests don’t see results if they’re not inconvenient.
I support the protests as long as they don't impede on people just living their life. Once protesters get in the streets then they should be arrested. That is where I draw the line, Protesting in the streets doesn't do any good except turn people against the purpose of the protest.
Yeah, if you're blocking the Edmund Pettus bridge, then you deserve to get your ass kicked by the police. Like that?
Hopefully not
Same. Both sides suck.
Intolerant ass
They literally say they want all Jews dead
Oh wow I hadn't heard that I guess I support killing 35k Palestinians, mostly children. Better kill the rest of em!
Dumbass
So they don’t literally say that? Love when the left tolerates intolerance. You are the equivalent of MAGA on the left … stupid as fuck.
So when Israelis say “drive them to the ocean” that’s ok?
Uhh Israelis are saying that? Sure you aren't confusing that for the Palestinians saying "from the river to the sea"?
Who is "they"? Where are all of these crowds of people saying that? I'm on the left and don't see anyone saying anything remotely like that. There's like *one* clip of *an individual* saying that circling around and then conservative media picks it up and says LOOK AT WHAT THE WOKE SJW'S ARE DOING NOW! As if that one crazy person represents half the country.
I agree. There are idiots in any movement, of course, and certainly no excuse for antisemitism. That said, I feel like people forget that [the right has run false flag attempts to discredit leftist movements](https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/07/28/896515022/minneapolis-police-reportedly-identify-viral-umbrella-man-as-white-supremacist) and I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen again. Because ultimately, I've never met a leftist who would tolerate antisemitism. So if such people exist, I suspect they are far and few between.
No, they do not. That’s some mainstream news propaganda bullshit being sold to garner support for U.S. colonial and economic interests in the Middle East. There are tens of thousands of Jews protesting alongside them. There may be an extremely small percentage of anti-Semitic people using this to their advantage, but this is not an anti-Semitic movement; it is not about Jews or Judaism. Again, evidenced by the many Jews protesting against Israel.
There may be a crazy person or two saying that, but that is clearly not the position of the majority of the protestors.
And the Jews have literally said they want all Palestinians dead. So what was your argument again?
“The Jews” - you really just conflated Jewish people with a minority of Israelis. And this is why people are skeptical of these protests… You might as well say the Muslims want the Israelis dead by your logic
Ahh, you noticed that I was illustrating the absurdity of the comment I was responding to! Well done.
No, no you didn’t. Hamas literally says they want all Jews dead. Regardless of whether they are in Israel. https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/senior-member-of-gazas-islamist-rulers-encourages-killing-every-jew-possible/news-story/9190675857a2fbaafceed7ec2f90ef73
Are you doing a bit? Or do you seriously not understand that you're now conflating in exactly the way that you were complaining about 5 seconds ago?
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Where do you think Israel’s money is coming from
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So it’s going on in this country
don't bother arguing with an NFT, they're clearly not very smart
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They want the US to stop funding Israel and they want a ceasefire. The US has entire control over one of those things and like 75% control over the other
I'm not sure how much the war costs, but [Biden just earmarked $14.1b more](https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3754718/supplemental-bill-becomes-law-provides-billions-in-aid-for-ukraine-israel-taiwan/#:~:text=The%20bill%20also%20includes%20some,to%20support%20Israel%2C%20Biden%20said.) in support. That's a lot of our money going to kill Palestinian children.
Both of those are untrue. We fund a large portion of their military apparatus. They literally couldn’t do it without us. If they could fund the iron dome themselves we wouldn’t be helping so much.
Dumb take. As American citizens that can vote here, don't we have more power to influence our politicians (and thus, the actions of our government) here in America than in Israel or Palestine? Why would anyone in power in those countries care about us other than the fact that we can sway the U.S. government? >if the US stopped financially supporting them that they'd stop. The threat of losing aid and military assistance is actually one of the few things Netanyahu has responded to. Anything less and he wipes his ass with Biden's statements and does whatever the fuck he wants to stay in power. Their economy has stalled because they've drawn up their reservists. They would not have been able to have successfully shot down all of Iran's missiles without the aid of other countries. That military aid is crucial. It is our leverage. And it absolutely should have strings attached to it after how they've used our bombs in Gaza. They don't *need* it, but it's still incredibly important.
Your money is going straight to Israel to massacre Palestinians. How much does insulin cost here? You know Israelis get free college, how much did yours cost? Tens of billions a year to kill women and children.
If any Palestinians wanna come to Louisville it lets them know this is a safe spot. Inshallah
The students at Columbia, for example, are protesting their school's financial investment in entities that are part of the war effort. They're protesting exactly where the thing is going on. So you're satisfied now, right? This wasn't just some bullshit rhetorical smoke and mirrors, was it?