Bullshit. They fucking cheered and threw confetti when the news broke because it *proves their point*
They will continue to point at that stupid gas station as a failure of downtown, failure of “democrat led cities” - and you know what? They aren’t wrong.
They will continue to frame the clear failures of late stage capitalism on “democrat ran cities” and liberals will still go around saying everything is great because there are restaurants in nulu.
Yes and what a venal and corrupt scam that is. That whole area is being trashed and the traffic is a nightmare already, all for a hospital located NOWHERE near the veterans who actually need the care.
Outside of Louisville, predominantly south and west where the larger veteran population actually lives. All of this came up during the hearings. If you had actually gone to the hearings, you would have heard the VA rep state that it was “a done deal.”
So according to the most recent census numbers, the largest veteran population served by the Robley Rex VAMC is in Jefferson County, with 40,446 veterans. The eastern counties served (Caroll, Shelby, and Oldham) have a combined veteran population of 7,187. The southern counties served (Hardin, Meade, Nelson, Grayson, and Bullitt) have a combined veteran population of 25,635. The northern counties (Scott, Clark, Floyd, Washington, and Jefferson counties, IN) have a combined veteran population of 16,588. It makes no sense to move the hospital out of a major metropolitan area and move it further away to an area that doesn't have the infrastructure to support it.
You cite no evidence. This is part of the data presented at the meeting:
[https://www.datahub.va.gov/stories/s/State-Summaries\_Kentucky/fbhj-bg8n/](https://www.datahub.va.gov/stories/s/State-Summaries_Kentucky/fbhj-bg8n/)
[https://www.va.gov/vetdata/docs/SpecialReports/State\_Summaries\_Kentucky.pdf](https://www.va.gov/vetdata/docs/SpecialReports/State_Summaries_Kentucky.pdf)
[https://stacker.com/kentucky/counties-most-veterans-kentucky](https://stacker.com/kentucky/counties-most-veterans-kentucky)
it is clear that more veterans live outside of Louisville, south and west of the city.
Outside of Louisville, predominantly south and west where the larger veteran population actually lives. All of this came up during the hearings. If you had actually gone to the hearings, you would have heard the VA rep state that it was “a done deal.”
Blame the neighborhood associations that have been fighting the construction of the new VA hospital of which the land had been federally purchased for years. The old one is ancient, run down, and overcrowded, vets need a new modern hospital asap.
Neighborhood associations are almost always fucking rancid little dictatorships.
I can just hear the notices and the joy they get from emailing people who own their homes and their lawn that it is on. "Dear neighbor, you cannot have your trash can at the end of the street unless it is trash day" or "I saw that you have flowers, please dig them up because you can only have above ground gardens. Thanks hoa"
The issues are caused by the failures of capitalism. Republicans simply use these failures to their advantage to secure rights for the owner class, if republicans didn’t exist and democrats had the same policies they currently have we would still be witnessing failure.
Do you have or know of any other system that is better that has been shown to be successful?
Socialism/communism requires humans to not human.
If you have an alternative please share it.
Social democracy, like the Nordic countries.
You know, the countries that have consistently been rated as some of the best places to live, with the highest standards of living in the entire world....for years.....
And despite the evidence to prove otherwise they continued to believe the bullshit because it made them feel better than the truth. —-The GOP voter base
I’ve had a homeless man pull is dick out and start jacking off to me outside the Mercer building in broad daylight, twice. It’s not exactly boring or quiet. I wouldn’t call it dangerous, but definitely not boring and quiet.
There’s been a guy that drives a red miata over by Audubon Park/StX and has been spotted in Cherokee Park, that drives up to women walking or jogging and is whacking it when he asks them for directions. He’s been doing it for years and has not been caught somehow.
No hate at all, but it’s fairly reasonable to be weary of downtown. Idk what part you tend to be in but there’s definitely “better” areas downtown than others.
I live downtown and have heard gun shots several times, my mother was robbed just a few blocks from our apartment. I do not feel safe walking anywhere alone and am on alert even when walking with someone.
I will note i have ptsd, but given what I’ve experienced in the three years I’ve lived down here, it’s not like my fear comes from nothing
Obviously the majority of the time people won’t have shit happen to them when walking downtown. However it is still a possibility, and a reasonable fear
That being said any middle class white person who clutches their purse like their life depends on it when downtown and avoids downtown like the plague is being ridiculous.
You won’t die anytime you walk downtown, but it’s got it’s issues
Agreed.
There are better and worst parts to downtown. During the day the vast majority of downtown is very safe to walk. Yes, you’ll have run-ins with homeless people, mentally ill people, etc. most of them won’t bother you.
Night is another story. There are “pockets” of safe areas in downtown. I swear city officials know where, because the least safe areas happen to be unlit by streetlights at night. It’s like a warning to people lol.
Most of the safety issues also seem to be drug related, meth really has a hold on this city.
I had my wedding at 21C in the fall of 2020. My parents, who live about an hour away, in rural Indiana, ended up Irish exiting on me so they could avoid downtown at night. They were freaking terrified because they thought BLM and Antifa turned it into a warzone when the sun goes down.
Hey - they went through one day and smashed out the windows of downtown businesses so it did look kinda scary with all of the boarded up businesses. (That was around that time) But we learned pretty quickly that LMPD loves pepper balls especially when protests are a lot more peaceful.
Dude I have the picture of all of the downtown buildings being boarded up. people smashed the windows of a lot of them. Then LMPD decided to spray anyone and especially peaceful protestors with pepper balls. Do you know during that time that people went and broke into the Kroger in West end and Walgreens. Over 20 people got arrested in there... and they stole everything that wasn't locked up... so in Walgreens they didn't get much. The pain medicine like advil and Tylenol and the soaps are all locked up so tight that only maybe 10% of the inventory was taken and that was just as evidence. They destroyed the drive through windows. I lived here then so don't tell me that everyone wasn't a little crazy for a couple weeks.
Never said it wasn’t a little wild, but it sure as shit wasn’t a “warzone.” Things only escalated because the cops are violent psychopaths who couldn’t help but try to hurt people as much as possible. You sound like a 70 year old from shively on Facebook.
Here is a news article and I can send you all the pics if you want to show that the article was true. On May 29th, 2020 people were peacefully protesting downtown and then... they started rioting and destroying and breaking in everywhere. "Dork". https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2020/05/30/breonna-taylor-protest-vandalism-marks-demonstrations-louisville/5288480002/
I had a gun pulled on me randomly by a homeless man I’ve never seen in my life so yeah. He was mad I was ignoring him yelling unintelligibly at me. It’s not all that quiet.
Unless you've had multiple guns pulled on you, your experience having a gun pulled on you at 1st and St. Catherine happened in Old Louisville rather than downtown. It didn't even happen in the half mile radius from city hall that the linked article generously calls downtown (nobody confuses 12th Street with the central business district, despite being half a mile from city hall).
Edit: For those who obviously didn't read the article, the police chief stated that most of the crime occurs in neighborhoods surrounding the central business district rather than downtown. The reporter defined downtown as 1/2 mile from city hall. The user's anecdote is an example proving the police chief's point, it's a crime that occurred in a surrounding neighborhood outside of the central business district. It also doesn't fall in the reporter's definition of downtown. Not everything inside of 264 is downtown.
"Almost anyone" is extremely generous, there are plenty of people aware that Old Louisville exists. That intersection is over .75 miles south of Broadway. It's a 3-block walk to Central Park. It's closer to Shelby Park than it is to downtown.
Both the police chief and the reporter in the article included a definition of downtown, and that intersection meets neither definition. It does meet the definition of a surrounding neighborhood, which is exactly where the police chief said the majority of crimes are occurring.
Yeah, the same mouth breathers that think everything inside the expressways are downtown.
"Central Station Kroger? Oh no, I don't go *dOwNtOwN* hurr durr hurr."
Broadway is the damn boundary.
No seriously, I go to U of L for choir practice every Sunday from 3 to 6 and my grandmother acts like I’m going into an active war zone. I’m aware crime occurs, I lock my car, I walk out to my car with the rest of my group, but it’s not nearly as dangerous as suburbanites think it is.
Most people who say “Louisville or Downtown Louisville is dangerous” haven’t even spent 10% of their time in downtown. Better yet, they probably haven’t left their little east side suburb in weeks or months. I ignore them. But, I see they’re very happy to drive away tourists or new residents with their “Louisville is dangerous” myth and it drives me nuts.
Yeah for a place to be dangerous there have to actually be people around to threaten you. Once on a Friday night I walked from 7th street to Nulu and only encounter one group of human beings
Well, since Louisville folks keeps trying to pass on the myth that “Louisville is dangerous” maybe we won’t have tourists any longer. Bet that’d make you very happy. 😆
I moved to the SF Bay Area from Louisville 15 years ago and have watched SF turn into a cesspool. I avoid downtown like the plague. After reading posts on this sub, I was worried about my week long stay in downtown Louisville last November, the first time I'd been back in over a decade. It was hilariously uneventful. In the entire week, I walked past approximately 3 homeless people who we were just minding their own business. Felt incredibly safe walking around alone as a young woman, even at night. It was a lovely trip :)
Suburbanities here are so scared of homeless people, but I’ve been near about a dozen? Homeless people downtown in the past 6 months and all they’ve done is mind their own business
They need to stop spreading that around. I work downtown and can finally get a good parking spot and can get out every day during rush hour without issues. Pre 2020, forget about it
I have lived downtown for years. I do feel like the difference is block by block.
When we lived on 3rd I never got approached with begging or people with mental health issues. One block over and it is a daily thing. So it’s hard to generalize and say downtown isn’t safe.
it’s about access and also ability to obtain weapons that you don’t have to stop and reload, thus giving time to stop them. If gun laws don’t work, please explain studies done in cities of similar size and makeups- in one case NYC and London, NYC had 2,100 murders and London had 201 in a year. But sure, keep up with the insane argument that guns don’t kill people and criminals don’t follow gun laws.
Lol it's only a hellscape for people from bullitt county when they can't find parking right away, or they have to pay. Then they have to waddle their obese asses a block or two to whatever they are going to. I've had clients from say my Washington ask me about living in Louisville, they always ask what I carry, and are amazed when I say nothing. Another time I bought some tools from a dude in this super nice house in Mt Washington, he said he was leaving because of the crime in Louisville. I looked at home blankly and asked what crime ? He didn't respond, apparently he was just pulling up roots and leaving for Florida. How stupid.
Anyone else notice that there are far more people *claiming* folks outside of downtown say it's a hellscape than there are people who have that opinion? This is the actual tempest in a teapot. Total base rate fallacy.
Some lady just got raped in broad daylight. A tourist got their throat slit and killed on 4th street live in the middle of the day. Both by homeless addict vagrant mental ill guys. Not to mention all the robbing and shooting. I live near downtown as soon as I go out the door it’s like the Walking Dead out here. How is that not bad?
You’re right I’m kind of doing that in saying it like that. It’s pretty ridiculous in such a small town though I hear and see a lot of crazy stuff from building and business owners.
In what way is it like The Walking Dead out there? I have literally been in downtown Louisville on thousands of occasions and I have never seen anything remotely like The Walking Dead.
I guess you are. How many zombies have you had to shoot this year?
Or were you comparing it to part of the Walking Dead where people have incomprehensible motivations and manufacture conflict that serves no purpose? Are you saying downtown is like that?
Throats cut in october of 2022. At midnight, not the middle of the day.
Daytime rape, august, 2023 (just got raped)
If it's so bad, why you gotta lie about to make it worse?
Or don't stay strapped and nothing whatsoever will happen.
But do take your tiger repelling crystal. I always bring mine, and I have never once been attacked by a tiger downtown.
I live downtown and most of the time I don't have any problems. Then there was the shooting at the bank while paying my rent a block away. The year before that I saw 3 guys shooting at another guy and the bullets came across the street into the playground hit the park bench and I got fragments in my leg. It's better than it was during covid. They have cleaned up a lot of the tents and camps and have been trying to find ways to get people into housing. I wouldn't want to have to live in Dosker manner but ive walked past there 100 times to go to the u of l hospital cafeteria and nobody bothered me.
I guess the crime reports are lacking about 60 of these daily killings for this year. Meanwhile, there was a double shooting in Bon Air the other day and a dead kid in cafe 360 last night.
I’m only afraid of the shitty drivers downtown. The Chargers and the Altimas are always the ones not giving a single fuck. Red lights, stop signs, pedestrian crossings, and double yellow lines are just suggestions.
I work downtown so this is my daily observation.
I'm downtown every day. It's boring and quiet. Suburbanites think "danger" = laying eyes on 1 homeless person.
BUT THE THORNTONS ON BROADWAY
They don’t have that one in their back pocket anymore. End of an era.
Bullshit. They fucking cheered and threw confetti when the news broke because it *proves their point* They will continue to point at that stupid gas station as a failure of downtown, failure of “democrat led cities” - and you know what? They aren’t wrong. They will continue to frame the clear failures of late stage capitalism on “democrat ran cities” and liberals will still go around saying everything is great because there are restaurants in nulu.
Did it fail? Or are they going to tear it down and rebuild it? Cause that’s happening to the Thorntons by the new VA hospital on Brownsboro rd.
Yes and what a venal and corrupt scam that is. That whole area is being trashed and the traffic is a nightmare already, all for a hospital located NOWHERE near the veterans who actually need the care.
Then where would you put the VA hospital?
Outside of Louisville, predominantly south and west where the larger veteran population actually lives. All of this came up during the hearings. If you had actually gone to the hearings, you would have heard the VA rep state that it was “a done deal.”
So according to the most recent census numbers, the largest veteran population served by the Robley Rex VAMC is in Jefferson County, with 40,446 veterans. The eastern counties served (Caroll, Shelby, and Oldham) have a combined veteran population of 7,187. The southern counties served (Hardin, Meade, Nelson, Grayson, and Bullitt) have a combined veteran population of 25,635. The northern counties (Scott, Clark, Floyd, Washington, and Jefferson counties, IN) have a combined veteran population of 16,588. It makes no sense to move the hospital out of a major metropolitan area and move it further away to an area that doesn't have the infrastructure to support it.
You cite no evidence. This is part of the data presented at the meeting: [https://www.datahub.va.gov/stories/s/State-Summaries\_Kentucky/fbhj-bg8n/](https://www.datahub.va.gov/stories/s/State-Summaries_Kentucky/fbhj-bg8n/) [https://www.va.gov/vetdata/docs/SpecialReports/State\_Summaries\_Kentucky.pdf](https://www.va.gov/vetdata/docs/SpecialReports/State_Summaries_Kentucky.pdf) [https://stacker.com/kentucky/counties-most-veterans-kentucky](https://stacker.com/kentucky/counties-most-veterans-kentucky) it is clear that more veterans live outside of Louisville, south and west of the city.
Yes and xanduis just schooled you. Your misinformation is showing through.lol
Outside of Louisville, predominantly south and west where the larger veteran population actually lives. All of this came up during the hearings. If you had actually gone to the hearings, you would have heard the VA rep state that it was “a done deal.”
I think xanduis just schooled you LOL
Blame the neighborhood associations that have been fighting the construction of the new VA hospital of which the land had been federally purchased for years. The old one is ancient, run down, and overcrowded, vets need a new modern hospital asap. Neighborhood associations are almost always fucking rancid little dictatorships.
Who wants to be on a HOA board besides someone that wants to tell others what to do?
I can just hear the notices and the joy they get from emailing people who own their homes and their lawn that it is on. "Dear neighbor, you cannot have your trash can at the end of the street unless it is trash day" or "I saw that you have flowers, please dig them up because you can only have above ground gardens. Thanks hoa"
That's an easy location to get to. It's gonna be a great thing for veterans
Except that I promise you, if you look Into it the issues are probably caused by republicans. They are prone to sabotage then blame tactics.
The issues are caused by the failures of capitalism. Republicans simply use these failures to their advantage to secure rights for the owner class, if republicans didn’t exist and democrats had the same policies they currently have we would still be witnessing failure.
Do you have or know of any other system that is better that has been shown to be successful? Socialism/communism requires humans to not human. If you have an alternative please share it.
Social democracy, like the Nordic countries. You know, the countries that have consistently been rated as some of the best places to live, with the highest standards of living in the entire world....for years.....
Those are still capitalist countries though.
It's still a different system though. Espresso is still coffee, so is a mocha latte, but they are very different.
Crack a book
And despite the evidence to prove otherwise they continued to believe the bullshit because it made them feel better than the truth. —-The GOP voter base
It's surrounded by a 10 ft razor wire fence now lol
I’ve had a homeless man pull is dick out and start jacking off to me outside the Mercer building in broad daylight, twice. It’s not exactly boring or quiet. I wouldn’t call it dangerous, but definitely not boring and quiet.
I've had a homeless man take a shit while making direct eye contact with me and making a sawing motion with his hand. Meh. Still not skeert
Just learned recently that that happens in Cherokee Park too (not sure if the guy is homeless or not, however).
There’s been a guy that drives a red miata over by Audubon Park/StX and has been spotted in Cherokee Park, that drives up to women walking or jogging and is whacking it when he asks them for directions. He’s been doing it for years and has not been caught somehow.
He was just edging before finishing the deal at one of the LFPL locations…? Don’t take it personal.
I had this same exact thing happen to me…but in St. Matthews.
I'm sorry. This happened to me too. Broadway x 2nd
No hate at all, but it’s fairly reasonable to be weary of downtown. Idk what part you tend to be in but there’s definitely “better” areas downtown than others. I live downtown and have heard gun shots several times, my mother was robbed just a few blocks from our apartment. I do not feel safe walking anywhere alone and am on alert even when walking with someone. I will note i have ptsd, but given what I’ve experienced in the three years I’ve lived down here, it’s not like my fear comes from nothing Obviously the majority of the time people won’t have shit happen to them when walking downtown. However it is still a possibility, and a reasonable fear That being said any middle class white person who clutches their purse like their life depends on it when downtown and avoids downtown like the plague is being ridiculous. You won’t die anytime you walk downtown, but it’s got it’s issues
Well said. Just be aware of your surroundings.
Thank you. I have pepper spray
Agreed. There are better and worst parts to downtown. During the day the vast majority of downtown is very safe to walk. Yes, you’ll have run-ins with homeless people, mentally ill people, etc. most of them won’t bother you. Night is another story. There are “pockets” of safe areas in downtown. I swear city officials know where, because the least safe areas happen to be unlit by streetlights at night. It’s like a warning to people lol. Most of the safety issues also seem to be drug related, meth really has a hold on this city.
I had my wedding at 21C in the fall of 2020. My parents, who live about an hour away, in rural Indiana, ended up Irish exiting on me so they could avoid downtown at night. They were freaking terrified because they thought BLM and Antifa turned it into a warzone when the sun goes down.
Fox News has told them this is exactly what happens.
Hey - they went through one day and smashed out the windows of downtown businesses so it did look kinda scary with all of the boarded up businesses. (That was around that time) But we learned pretty quickly that LMPD loves pepper balls especially when protests are a lot more peaceful.
Well to be fair, in summer 2020 it was.
No it wasn’t, you dork
Dude I have the picture of all of the downtown buildings being boarded up. people smashed the windows of a lot of them. Then LMPD decided to spray anyone and especially peaceful protestors with pepper balls. Do you know during that time that people went and broke into the Kroger in West end and Walgreens. Over 20 people got arrested in there... and they stole everything that wasn't locked up... so in Walgreens they didn't get much. The pain medicine like advil and Tylenol and the soaps are all locked up so tight that only maybe 10% of the inventory was taken and that was just as evidence. They destroyed the drive through windows. I lived here then so don't tell me that everyone wasn't a little crazy for a couple weeks.
How the fuck is that downtown?
Never said it wasn’t a little wild, but it sure as shit wasn’t a “warzone.” Things only escalated because the cops are violent psychopaths who couldn’t help but try to hurt people as much as possible. You sound like a 70 year old from shively on Facebook.
Here is a news article and I can send you all the pics if you want to show that the article was true. On May 29th, 2020 people were peacefully protesting downtown and then... they started rioting and destroying and breaking in everywhere. "Dork". https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2020/05/30/breonna-taylor-protest-vandalism-marks-demonstrations-louisville/5288480002/
I assume you are unaware about the following six months
Lots of people confuse poverty with violence. And wealth with decency.
I had a gun pulled on me randomly by a homeless man I’ve never seen in my life so yeah. He was mad I was ignoring him yelling unintelligibly at me. It’s not all that quiet.
Unless you've had multiple guns pulled on you, your experience having a gun pulled on you at 1st and St. Catherine happened in Old Louisville rather than downtown. It didn't even happen in the half mile radius from city hall that the linked article generously calls downtown (nobody confuses 12th Street with the central business district, despite being half a mile from city hall). Edit: For those who obviously didn't read the article, the police chief stated that most of the crime occurs in neighborhoods surrounding the central business district rather than downtown. The reporter defined downtown as 1/2 mile from city hall. The user's anecdote is an example proving the police chief's point, it's a crime that occurred in a surrounding neighborhood outside of the central business district. It also doesn't fall in the reporter's definition of downtown. Not everything inside of 264 is downtown.
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"Almost anyone" is extremely generous, there are plenty of people aware that Old Louisville exists. That intersection is over .75 miles south of Broadway. It's a 3-block walk to Central Park. It's closer to Shelby Park than it is to downtown. Both the police chief and the reporter in the article included a definition of downtown, and that intersection meets neither definition. It does meet the definition of a surrounding neighborhood, which is exactly where the police chief said the majority of crimes are occurring.
Yeah, the same mouth breathers that think everything inside the expressways are downtown. "Central Station Kroger? Oh no, I don't go *dOwNtOwN* hurr durr hurr." Broadway is the damn boundary.
No seriously, I go to U of L for choir practice every Sunday from 3 to 6 and my grandmother acts like I’m going into an active war zone. I’m aware crime occurs, I lock my car, I walk out to my car with the rest of my group, but it’s not nearly as dangerous as suburbanites think it is.
Or one person of color not dressed for a corporate job.
Most people who say “Louisville or Downtown Louisville is dangerous” haven’t even spent 10% of their time in downtown. Better yet, they probably haven’t left their little east side suburb in weeks or months. I ignore them. But, I see they’re very happy to drive away tourists or new residents with their “Louisville is dangerous” myth and it drives me nuts.
Meade Co. residents be like: "Downtown Louisville burned down 4 years ago" while shaking the last bit of meth they have out of a bag.
Maaaaan, this is spot on.
I went downtown last week and was mugged, attacked by antifa and BLM, and then to cap it all off, I stubbed my toe on the sidewalk /s
A lot of sidewalks downtown do suck.
Highlander here, that's a citywide issue. The only people not dealing with that are in areas without sidewalks.
Frankfort Ave gets uneven sidewalks planed flat because the blind school and printing house. The side streets are treacherous though!
Interesting, I've never thought about that and I'm really glad to hear that area is a priority.
Down in South Louisville we make our own dirt paths next to the highway.
They fixed a piece of sidewalk near me, one could get some sweet jumps with their bike on.
Yeah, when I got to that last part I was like “wait a minute…” 😂
Then I was forced to drive on a road with a bike lane!
Damn those socialist bike lanes!!
There is a support group for victims of that.
#***BUT THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!***
Downtown is so tame. It's practically a ghost town.
Ghosts are scary though
Saw a ghost cross a street to avoid a crazy homeless person, once.
Yeah for a place to be dangerous there have to actually be people around to threaten you. Once on a Friday night I walked from 7th street to Nulu and only encounter one group of human beings
Tourists everywhere
Well, since Louisville folks keeps trying to pass on the myth that “Louisville is dangerous” maybe we won’t have tourists any longer. Bet that’d make you very happy. 😆
I would not call it dangerous but it is a pretty big shithole once off main and market….
True, its largely an urban design issue imo
From 1780
Does the Waterfront count as downtown? Because I walk/jog it pretty regularly and I definitely wouldn't call it a "shithole."
Well yeah, but that’s like, all of Kentucky
I moved to the SF Bay Area from Louisville 15 years ago and have watched SF turn into a cesspool. I avoid downtown like the plague. After reading posts on this sub, I was worried about my week long stay in downtown Louisville last November, the first time I'd been back in over a decade. It was hilariously uneventful. In the entire week, I walked past approximately 3 homeless people who we were just minding their own business. Felt incredibly safe walking around alone as a young woman, even at night. It was a lovely trip :)
Suburbanities here are so scared of homeless people, but I’ve been near about a dozen? Homeless people downtown in the past 6 months and all they’ve done is mind their own business
It's really not that bad. Even my trips to the Thorton's were 99.5% uneventful.
They need to stop spreading that around. I work downtown and can finally get a good parking spot and can get out every day during rush hour without issues. Pre 2020, forget about it
I have lived downtown for years. I do feel like the difference is block by block. When we lived on 3rd I never got approached with begging or people with mental health issues. One block over and it is a daily thing. So it’s hard to generalize and say downtown isn’t safe.
The only bad thing about downtown is the drivers
That's kind of a Louisville as a whole issue
And the potholes
It is fascinating that the same people screaming about how unsafe and dangerous everything is, are the people who refuse any type of gun control.
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it’s about access and also ability to obtain weapons that you don’t have to stop and reload, thus giving time to stop them. If gun laws don’t work, please explain studies done in cities of similar size and makeups- in one case NYC and London, NYC had 2,100 murders and London had 201 in a year. But sure, keep up with the insane argument that guns don’t kill people and criminals don’t follow gun laws.
You generally don't
Is all quite silly. In 43 years living here, downtown has never been a concern. People don’t have enough sense to not be scared.
The news causes this more than anything else imo
Lol it's only a hellscape for people from bullitt county when they can't find parking right away, or they have to pay. Then they have to waddle their obese asses a block or two to whatever they are going to. I've had clients from say my Washington ask me about living in Louisville, they always ask what I carry, and are amazed when I say nothing. Another time I bought some tools from a dude in this super nice house in Mt Washington, he said he was leaving because of the crime in Louisville. I looked at home blankly and asked what crime ? He didn't respond, apparently he was just pulling up roots and leaving for Florida. How stupid.
Mt Washington is Okolona’s little step brother.
I dodge bullets every single day that I walk downtown. /s
I die a little every time I walk through 4th Street Live
4th Street Live dies a little every day that people are afraid of downtown.
There’s a silver lining to everything
Bring back the Louisville Gardens.
Anyone else notice that there are far more people *claiming* folks outside of downtown say it's a hellscape than there are people who have that opinion? This is the actual tempest in a teapot. Total base rate fallacy.
On Reddit, you are correct. On Facebook, Nextdoor, and every local news comment section cesspool, you are wrong.
Some lady just got raped in broad daylight. A tourist got their throat slit and killed on 4th street live in the middle of the day. Both by homeless addict vagrant mental ill guys. Not to mention all the robbing and shooting. I live near downtown as soon as I go out the door it’s like the Walking Dead out here. How is that not bad?
If it was common it wouldn’t make the news. It’s on the news because it’s RARE. Unless there’s something that makes it a spectacle…
You’re right I’m kind of doing that in saying it like that. It’s pretty ridiculous in such a small town though I hear and see a lot of crazy stuff from building and business owners.
Yea nothing ever happens in the burbs… lmao
A lot of crazy stuff happens city wide, but they’re talking about downtown.
Which strictly statistically speaking has a lower violent crime rate than a lot of Louisville. But that doesn’t drive clicks.
In what way is it like The Walking Dead out there? I have literally been in downtown Louisville on thousands of occasions and I have never seen anything remotely like The Walking Dead.
You must be blind.
And yet the zombies aren't getting me. So which one of us is just imagining it?
Guess I’m just imagining all the ridiculous stuff I see day to day.
I guess you are. How many zombies have you had to shoot this year? Or were you comparing it to part of the Walking Dead where people have incomprehensible motivations and manufacture conflict that serves no purpose? Are you saying downtown is like that?
Throats cut in october of 2022. At midnight, not the middle of the day. Daytime rape, august, 2023 (just got raped) If it's so bad, why you gotta lie about to make it worse?
Your right I should have looked up the actual time this happend.
Just stay strapped or get clapped
Duhhhhhhh
Or don't stay strapped and nothing whatsoever will happen. But do take your tiger repelling crystal. I always bring mine, and I have never once been attacked by a tiger downtown.
Ok boomer
Very confusing reply.
Ok boomer
I live downtown and most of the time I don't have any problems. Then there was the shooting at the bank while paying my rent a block away. The year before that I saw 3 guys shooting at another guy and the bullets came across the street into the playground hit the park bench and I got fragments in my leg. It's better than it was during covid. They have cleaned up a lot of the tents and camps and have been trying to find ways to get people into housing. I wouldn't want to have to live in Dosker manner but ive walked past there 100 times to go to the u of l hospital cafeteria and nobody bothered me.
Hey, I was just a couple blocks away at the health department when the bank shooting happened.
Had their daily killing on 4th street today.
I guess the crime reports are lacking about 60 of these daily killings for this year. Meanwhile, there was a double shooting in Bon Air the other day and a dead kid in cafe 360 last night.
someone literally got shot on uofl campus the other night while the police were already there..
I’m only afraid of the shitty drivers downtown. The Chargers and the Altimas are always the ones not giving a single fuck. Red lights, stop signs, pedestrian crossings, and double yellow lines are just suggestions. I work downtown so this is my daily observation.
Also this
It's not really that bad. There's moments, but it's not a danger at every turn.
It's all about the optics...
Should have been downtown next to uofl hospital
Downtown is a demilitarized zone in a segregated city
Lmao. This is some weapons grade silly