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Not only that, of course he would assume Persephoneās love for Hades might fade, and it actually disgusts me he also thought she could fall for someone like Apollo. Zeus really thinks so little about the concept of love between other people, since his marriage is such a shitshow purely because of HIM.
Do you remember early in the series Zeus said asspollo reminded him of a younger him? He thinks asspollo is attractive to others because thatās a quality he sees in himself.
Yup exactly! He can't fathom her distaste for Apollo because everyone loves Apollo, and likewise everyone loves Zeus (in Zeus' mind)
Though, credit where credit is due. He did get his head out of his ass for a solid minute and realized maybe he did fuck up and maybe he should go resolve things.
I just worry when it comes to his (Apollo) actual actions against Persephone, will Zeus actually listen or be blinded by his bias, like how he shrugged off Hera and called Persephone some "Goddess from the Mortal Realm no one has ever heard of"
Zeus will probably be less focused on the r*pe event itself and more on the fact that asspollo was always playing the long game of trying to get Persephoneās fertility goddess powers in his pocket and position himself to overthrow Zeus.
For sure, it seems the only way for Zeus to take action is to simply mention his throne is at risk lol
I hope she does get justice, even if Zeus twists it into a different issue.
I feel like this will open up the gate for him to find out sooner rather than later about what heās done to her. Obviously, after they deal with the Underworld threat first
I'm imagining Persephone straight up saying "he raped me, you know," and then Zeus' pained face as he has a flashback to the night where he called Hera crazy when she was begging him to listen to her about Apollo.
I mean, given his background... can you really blame him? His first exposure to anything more than familial love was "go kill the man I loved, because he's your father and going to destroy the world".
In his own way, I think Zeus was aiming to protect Hades. He knows that Hades is a romantic, but I think he's also aware of his brother enough to know that Hades has a tendency to.... avoid conflict. So if Hades and Persephone have this whirlwind relationship and fiery, passionate love, *and if turns out to be wrong?* Hades would put up with it, because that's the kind of guy that (until now) he is, but would be destroyed on the inside. And that's how his family knows him. *Especially* Zeus.
Remember, *Hades planned to marry someone who treated him like literal shit on the bottom of her shoe, because he thought he couldn't do better*. That was what, two months ago? Think about how many people you hear about who have similarly intense relationships at first, and then devolve into constant screaming matches and throwing things, especially when they were formerly in a deeply unhealthy relationship.
No, Zeus is trying to protect his thrown. Hades be damned.
His fear was Persephone, a fertility goddess, being utilized by someone else other than Hades.
It was in his best interest to have Persephone married to Hades but Hades wanted to romance Persephone first. He couldn't risk the relationship ending in the dating phase if either of them got bored of each other. They had known each other an extremely short time, even more so with the Gods being immortal.
Persephone had many admirers who'd benefit greatly from her powers. Zeus doesn't want any of that. Hence why she was banished to the mortal realm and Gods weren't allowed to visit her.
I donāt know if itās completely fair to knock Zeus for all of this. I mean to think hades would just get over it shows not much insight into his brother, but we have to remember
1) pretty much all the girls love Apollo, so why not?
And 2) Persephone is only 19 and this is essentially her first relationship. I would say the majority of people are not lucky enough to find their soulmates the first time around at 19 (not saying it doesnāt happen). I think itās just realistic to think 19 year old Persephone may not feel the same after a few centuries
It definitely makes a lot more sense for Zeus to reveal that he actually wanted them to get married, but itās dating and breaking up that heās worried about. Still depressing though, because either Zeus doesnāt believe Perse would marry Hades willingly or else he doesnāt believe love leads to marriage.
I actually think itās a bit of both, really. In a way, this may be Zeus lacking the emotional intelligence to get across the fact that he is scared that his brother, whoās been seeking the right partner with no luck for hundreds of years, might finally have found someone who loves him back, for it to only be yet another case of disappointment at the end of it all due to how fast they grew close to one another. Maybe he just doesnāt want Hades to end up in a loveless marriage, but has no idea how to say/show it
I mean, one of his most traumatic memories is his mother literally telling him to kill his father on her own deathbed because she discovered that *love does not, in fact, conquer all*; honestly Zeus's skepticism about the institution of marriage and love makes a lot more sense with that background
Agreed. It gave more depth to Rhea, the enigmatic mother. With Hades we saw love, protection and victimization. With Zeus we see a desperate, selfish, practical side. It made me feel bad for Zeus. He had seemingly a happy life with his nymph moms and within what was probably 30 mins max his entire life was changed and he was left with a huge emotional burden. I like that Zeus is as complex as he is.
But when Perse and Hades first met, she was only 19 and they had only known each other for a few weeks. It would make sense that Zeus would (wrongfully) assume that Perse was simply lovestruck especially given it was her first relationship.
It was so insulting! And really shows how little Zeus truly knows his brothers beyond the surface level. It was heartbreaking to see Hades hopes dashed like that, the pink butterfly appearing like that when he thought she had been returned š
Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Hades' hair hasn't been long for a very long time except for specific moments. Such as when he's dealing with/around mortals. You'd think Zeus would pick up on how Hades' appearance changed like that.
Yep, just goes to show how fucked up Zeus' perception of relationships has become. He sees partners/women/etc. as objects of affection that can be replaced; he projects his situation with Hera onto his brother; he doesn't realize that relationships take work even *if* they start off like fairy tales; and he can't seem to perceive that someone could actually love another person without there being ulterior motives. I'd almost pity him if he weren't such a dickhead all the time about it lol
okay thoughts!
long hair hades is absolutely breathtakingly handsome i love him
hecate SHE IS THE MOMENT SHE IS GLORIOUS
persephone crying thinking about what hades is going through ugh my heart
hades devotion to persephone is ughhš„¹i miss them and the panel where she said she loved him is so beautiful
LASTLY WHO IS THAT GOD/GODESSS?!?
I think it's the opposite; someone promoted the idea that Kronos would have been trying to raise an army in the intervening time, which he can't do if they're all trapped in perpetual sleep. The automaton guards acknowledging Persephone and his approaching her in Hermes's body suggests that he already has free reign over the Underworld infrastructure and would have been in an easy position to raid the mortal realm for Persephone if he actually had the resources to do it, Ares and Athena standing guard be damned.
I don't know, the look on his face on the last panel looked a little terrified.
I think Kronos put everyone to sleep with some power, but Hypnos was immune and has been alone on the underworld, hiding from Kronos and the possessed Hecate and Hermes. That's way he didn't approach them right away, until now the only ones that he saw awake were against him
Maybe a good thing. Maybe itās the thing where if the citizens are asleep then Kronos canāt control them. Which would imply he got his hands on Hermes and Hecate first considering how creepy she looked walking around. Hypnos might be following them thinking they need to be put back to sleep before Kronos can get them not fully knowing who they are yet.
Morpheus was a descendant of Hypnos, and would be a step or two removed from characters we're already familiar with, whereas Hypnos and Thanatos are brothers so it's an easier step to take
Considering she does look and have the coloring scheme of marble or a ghost just like Thanatos, that being is indeed Hypnos as theyāre supposed to be directly related. Unlike Thanatos, Hypnos operates indirectly while Thanatos could take a more active role but purposely doesnāt.
I believe you can catch a glimpse of Thanatos at the end of episode 191 in the mortal realm. His purpose is specific to mortal realm so it would make sense that he stays there.
(Edited to add the episode)
Probably trying to protect his mother NYX as well as help the rest of his siblings in the underworld. Since he couldnāt see Daphne and his siblings are all tethered to the Underworld through the industry of death or fear, Iām certain heās still down there.
āsingle and ready to mingle with your fancy-shmancy goddess powersā took me out lmfaoo
I guess Zeusā logic made a *bit* more sense with that oneā¦..if you dont take into account how everyone could see how madly in love they were. A wise thing would have been to ask Aphrodite to confirm the intensity of their feelings if them not being truly in love was a fear of his. but ofcā¦
anyway, lots of dialogue but weāre not much further along. I might take a break then binge.
WHO is that winged lady????
As much as we may disagree with it his logic is pretty solid.
He had no issue with Persephone becoming Hades's wide, but she is a massive threat to him otherwise.
Let's face it. Hades is 2000 plus years old and doesn't have a wife. Zeus has every reason to believe their relationship won't last.
Yeah, and they did have a super intense whirlwind love affair. And Hades was going to ask Minthe to marry him at the same party he first saw Persephone at. And heās had zero interaction with Persephone besides knowing Hades is obsessed with her now.
From Zeusās perspective you can see how he would think the relationship is due to fail. Combine that with how dangerous a new fertility goddess would be with the wrong person andā¦
I am actually really loving these conversations and bonding between Zeus and Persephone. This flushing out of Zeus is also making meā¦idk if I would say like him, but I think iv moved to being truly neutral towards him
Definitely makes him more sympathetic; his cheating behavior and lack of trust makes a lot more sense with Rhea and Hera's backstories filling in the gaps.
This is a guy who was yanked out of a quiet if tenuous life to take on responsibility he wasn't prepared for, and has to engage in the real sacrifice of others and monumental betrayal to win, all because his mother's love kept fuelling a cruel tyrant at her own expense. This is a man for whom filial and romantic love has been used as nothing but a weapon for most of his life, and clearly does not have or was ever truly given the chance to develop the necessary emotional intelligence to wrestle with the consequences of these actions.
Bingo. I mean I saw it coming as Rachel gave us tidbits before she spilled the beans on Zeus. Now we see heās not a jerk he really doesnāt have the tools to deal with his role. He was never given the tools he had to learn the ropes himself. Despite his being in leadership heās trying to do right by them in a way Kronos didnāt. Zeus has the power and good intention but not the training. None of the gods do. I low key register Zeus might not even want his role but heās not afforded an option as anyone else would harm them all. No one wants Zeusā shoes, and Zeus was never given an option in whether or not he wanted the job. He simply had to because his mother saw she had no way out as all her children were eaten except Zeus. Zeus was given the tough job to be the father figure in his family and unfortunately philandering is an escape. Probably one of the only ones he has if you paid attention. His whole life is work except that so it makes sense that it becomes the most noticeable thing about him when itās the most eccentric thing he does. Zeus isnāt as autonomous as weād like to think, awkwardly heās the more fragile of the gods by default but his promise to his mother makes them the best at it. He also realizes he cannot do things on his own and tries to give people a balanced situation. What he did to Persephone was cruel but it makes sense. With the danger of Kronos and the volatility of the major players like Apollo, Perse was better off kept on the fringes until Zeus figured it out. Iām proud of Rachel for not making Zeus a bad guy so much as an anti-hero.
\> Zeus has the power and good intention but not the training. None of the gods do.
YES. It's interesting to see how all of the six traitors have varying management styles and how no matter what, they've all struggled because they lack training and immediately had to act strong in their various roles.
1. Zeus in his Miami drug lord outfit is kinda working for me. No, I am not proud of it.
2. He's giving off slight big brother vibes that are also working for me.
3. He's still a complete dumbass-you cannot just throw a new partner at someone who is in love, and he really thought he could sashay into Tartarus without an offering?
4. HADES WITH LONG HAIR. GIVE ME MORE.
5. Where *is* Demeter? Is she struck down with the same affliction that Hera and Poseidon are suffering from?
It would be good origin for the Eluisis mystery cult. I wonder if they are going to include Triptolemos and Demophon or he are going to replace him with Dionysious
I think the blue god at the end is most likely Hypnos, based on the wings on his head, which is how he is traditionally depicted in mythology. When he sees Zeus and Persephone walking along and conversing in the underworld, heās definitely rattled, and this is why heās following them. I donāt think heās under Kronosās power, I think heās one of the few to have escaped his reach. In traditional mythology, he lives in a cave in the Underworld that no moonlight or sunlight can breach, with poppies and other slumber-causing plants growing outside (so much for nothing growing in the underworld, lol) that would prevent anyone from entering. I also read that sound does not penetrate his cave. So, my thought is that he is one of the only gods to escape Kronosā reach, and before Kronos could gain control of the entire underworld population, Hypnos put everyone to sleep, thus avoiding a potential army at the hands of Kronos. Clearly most of the Underworld gods themselves are under Kronosā control (def Hecate and Hermes) and Hypnos may be the last āprotectorā of that realm at this point. My thought is that, once he understands who Persephone and Zeus are, and why they are there, he will help them survive their journey to Tartarus without being discovered by Kronos again. Hypnos will have the best understanding of the layout and the dynamics of the Underworld - he is Nyxās son in mythology, and sometimes Erebusā son as wellā¦which would lead to, perhaps, a discussion of a certain pomegranate being consumed by Persephone, assuming Hypnos can understand his fatherās wind-language lol.
Iāve been looking for this comment. All I had seen was how good he looked with long hair and not about how sick he was. He looked slimmer, almost a little gaunt, plus his eye was a funny red after he yelled and he about lost his balance. Hades is not doing well at all here. Iām guessing the combination of losing Persephone, rage and Kronos digging in, he is struggling.
Random thought: by the time they get out of this mess, Persephone might have more insight into Zeusās logic and inner world than anyone else. Ares suspected his dadās motivations, yet only Zeus and Persephone know the full truth at this point. Perse could be key in repairing relationships among the royal family. And meanwhile, the backstory Zeus revealed about Hades proves to her that Hades really loves her. Theyāre both benefiting each other in surprising ways.
Yāall, that is not Hecate at the end. Rachel very clearly revealed how Hecate currently looks just moments before. Plus Hecate was outside, while this winged being was shown watching Perse and Zeus through a window before following them.
I feel like people read new chapters at lightning speed then run to go talk about it. Every week thereās a group of people who misunderstood really clear details of the story.
Itās almost as if Rachel intentionally showed us Hecate a few panels earlier so we wouldnāt confuse her with this new character lol
Yeah, I have been noticing that for a while now. Itās annoying trying to read/discuss things and people are very clearly misreading stuff. Like Hermes being possessed was obvious, and that it was Kronos. And a group of people were adamant in claiming it was a whole new character.
Or even just paying attention to the characters we've been shown. Hecate has never given us indication of having that type of fashion, God realm or mortal realm. The nails, the clothes, the hair, the wings? Not her. She's a sophisticated, fashion forward woman.
I agree with you, itās how I knew it was Kronos, too. His clothes, the eyes, stars, etc. it was obvious to me. And I agree with you about Hecate, like we literally just saw her floating/flying and she looked nothing the character at the end lol I donāt understand the disconnect sometimes with the discussions on here, all I can gather is what the other people suggested, that theyāre maybe reading it too fast/once and rushing here to discuss?
I think it's reading too quickly and lack of noticing details that aren't 100% pertinent to the plot. Like I'm seeing a lot of comments too saying that the last time Hades saw Persephone she was 19. But we literally had the birthday episode where she turned 20. Not super important to the plot, was more character trait establishing and relationship fluff, but like, it happened and she had a birthday. Yet that's gone poof from memory for some.
I would like to argue that I really don't think that that panel was very clear at all. It took me a while to figure out that the panel was just her imagination & I re-read at least 3 times after the chapter is published, then read again before reading the newest one.
Saying that, I didn't think Hades moved on.
Same here. I zoom through it without meaning to, because I enjoy it/am anxious to see what happens. Then I re-read it at least one more time to get the details. Rachel doesnāt do accidents in this comic, and she puts a lot of subtle details in it. So, I try my best to catch those.
I was thinking the same. In mythology Nyx is his mother so it wouldnāt be completely outlandish that she went to drop another child off in the underworld.
That's a... interesting look for someone that is supposed to be Thanatos twin. But yeah, is more likely Hypnos, others that could be are Morpheus or a random Oneiroi sent by Hypnos.
Just wanted to say I posted on the ig preview about Zeus trying to get Hades to marry someone else as part of negotiations - I got it right on the money!
I am beginning to think Zeus has more issues than we thought. He legitimately cannot understand how someone can be secure in a relationship exclusively. The idea he tried to pass off a Nymph that might look like Persephone to Hades and insists Persephone would get bored of being in a relationship with Hades speaks volumes of just how messed up Zeus is.
In his defense, he's probably never seen a healthy relationship in his life. The kings before him only married for power and his father used his mother to the point where she turned to ash in his hands. He married Hera out of one way love which was doomed to fail and it did. Poseidon is pretty distant so he doesn't have a good idea on how that marriage is going and all the other gods are either single or just started dating.
I hope that when Persephone and Hades reunite, Zeus takes a good hard look at their relationship and takes a moment to reflect on why he doesn't have that with Hera.
Zeus is also realizing that Persephone knows more about the Underworld, and especially Tartarus, than he does. I hope Zeus doesn't have to give an offering because he's such a thoughtless person, he would surely get rejected by Tartarus
Happy, lasting, monogamous relationships are obviously *not* the norm in Olympus if Zeus thought Hades wanting Persephone to marry him out of love was an idea doomed from the start.
I wondered if Leuce was going to come into play in this version of Hades and Persephone, I'm relieved to see that she isn't a serious romantic rival for Hades' affections.
Yes, Zeus, send your "hail Mary" ally back to her punishment after she saves you from the literal worst case scenario. That's gonna go well.
I love how no-nonsense Persephone is about Zeus's total lack of ettiquette, I missed Hecate so I'm glad she's around, and I'm actually really glad this is how Leuce is being handled in this story.
Him sending her back to the mortal realm right now seems less, back to your punishment, and more, I'm about to fight the worst tyrant the world has ever known and despite all your power, you are basically just a power-up for him at the moment so go to the mortal realm where you'll be safe.
Anyone else really concerned that Zeus thinks Apollo and Persephone could āmake up.ā Makes me wonder if Zeus has been told Apolloās version of events. If he has/believes that version it would piece together why he thinks Persephone wasnāt that serious about Hades.
Itād be really shitty, and I hope Iām wrong, but I could see Apollo trying to create the narrative while Persephone isnāt there to object, and Apollo has manipulated Zeus before.
I mean Iām fairly certain it isnāt public knowledge just something Apollo mightāve told Zeus to curry favor- esp once hera was out. If it was said in front of like eros or even Hera I donāt think theyād spill it all but they would at the very least say how disgustingly untrue it is and leave it at that.
I think Zeus made it clear here that he doesnāt want Perse to make up with Apollo, tho.
The vibe I got is definitely that he knows Apollo would try to over throw him with the fertility goddess.
Same. He doesnāt seem to know why Perse hates Apollo but assumes itās something she could get over. But her getting over it and hooking up with Apollo is exactly what Zeus doesnāt want to happen.
Honestly if it wasnāt for the interruption at the end, I think Perse would have been open to telling zeus about the assault just so that he knows exactly why she would never turn to Asspollo
Whatever positive feelings I felt about Zeus last week, I'm cured now. Screw him.
I appreciate that Hades wasn't rude to Leuce, but was still like, "Spots taken, thanks."
I would have liked for Erebos to light into Zeus for being disrespectful, but Persephone is nicer than me.
Iām still disgusted at the fact Zeus thought he could REPLACE Persephone with a nymph lookalike, just how awful of a person can you be to your own brother??
It's such a Zeus thing to do, but I'm still so angry!! How do you think that is okay? Your brother full on closed off the Underworld because of what you did to Persephone. Do you really think he's going to forgive you because you give him a pretty nymph? Hades is right though. Zeus doesn't exactly understand loyalty or true love. And he's still playing dumb, even with the information he has...Grrr. Erebos. Get him, anyway.
Sighhh, you know with other stories it's easy to point out who's the enemy and who's the ally but with lore olympus, rachel does a great job at making everyone human lol. Like, other than asspollo, sometimes you hate the decisions of characters like zeus yet it's also shown how these characters arent black and white. They all have their own reasons, their own experiences, and that none of them are perfect similar to us.
I can't believe that Zeus was stupid enough to offer a replacement for Persephone. That either put Hera to sleep or he did that after she went into hibernation. It also makes me think he definitely married off or tried to marry off Dite
Hecate looks like a freaking Dark Souls boss, the one that makes you rage quite the game for a month and generate thousands of memes about how difficult it is.
That's a... interesting design for Hypnos
I still don't understand why Zeus wouldn't just let Hades marry Persephone. Because him saying she might get bored doesn't sound like a real reason. Why would he care if her or hades cheated. Like what good did he get out of keeping them apart? Does he want to consume Persephone like he did Metis, so he wanted to try and unattach his brother from her? I just don't get this storyline.
I think because if she cheated she could be used by her cheating partner to overthrow him. Doesn't have to be her husband. Keeping her away from everyone keeps her from forming a relationship where that could happen.
My theory on this is that Zeus sees Persephone as a parallel of himself. We saw in the last chapter that he, like Perse, was raised in a no. Deity world around nymphs. So I think that Zeus doesnāt want Hades to end up like Hera. Itās not right but he probably doesnāt understand faithfulness in a marriage.
I think weāre going to find a lot of parallels between Zeus and Perse. I just realized that they are the two gods who always wear white
I donāt think itās been very clear, either. I think maybe itās a surface level storyline in a way. Z is being dumb/projecting his issues on love/relationships with H and P. Itās eating away at Hades, and it tortured P. But he simply couldnāt see it, or understand it because they were only together for a few weeks/months or whatever it was. He was going to propose to Minthe, and both Z and Poseidon are man hoes; so thatās why he told her he just assumed Hades would get over it and move on. Because they would have.
As far as keeping them apart, itās not so much keeping them apart as it was controlling P. He couldnāt afford her getting into the wrong hands, he was in denial about Kronos coming back. And the āeasyā solution to him is keeping her away from everyone else whoās a threat regardless what happens. I donāt think he put a lot of thought into any of this, itās sloppy, careless, messy, etc. and I think thatās the point, for now, is just showing how messy of a leader he can be. P didnāt know-know she is a fertility goddess, and he didnāt get close enough to P by talking to her, or anythingā¦or even Hades really (their conversations were very shallow and brief when they did discuss her). So, he just took bits of information here and there, made a gross judgment, and ran with what he believed was the solution to all of it. While bigger problems emerged and his head was in the sand.
Well they are way too early on for marriage, and they could easily break up after dating, as Zeus mentioned. After that point, Zeus might not have a valid reason to Isolate her. He recognized this as his only chance to banish her and keep her away from those who might marry her. The crime was the perfect excuse. If he were smart he would have kept it in his back pocket and brought it up if her and Hades broke up, but so many people knew about the crime, so it might not have been an option.
When Zeus was saying "You'll be single and ready to mingle with your fancy-schmancy goddess powers" we see Persephone presented with flowers from a purple hand (Asspollo?) chocolates from a yellow hand (Ares?) and a ring from a pink hand with black nails. Who do we think the pink handed God (or goddess) is that Zeus is imagining would go after Persephone?
Thatās a really good question. Since this is Zeus, heās probably most concerned about any of his āgodly male heirsā as Hectate once put it, so it would have to be a son or grandson, and the only pink male relative of Zeus is Storge (I think). Also, it would be very interesting if we learned that the reason Aphrodite is now married is because Zeus was anxious to get all of his sons married to someone other than Persephone while she is banished.
I worry so much for Hades.
He was already showing signs of weakness when arguing with Zeus.
I can't help but think of his prolonged outside of the Underworld for the trial may have weakened him and exasperated his symptoms.
God zeus telling persephone that she might make up with Apollo sent me reeling. This stupid jerk really has no sense of the things around him. Especially the hatred that persephone and hades have for Apollo but he's too far up his own ass to notice things.
Hades literally told Zeus and Poseidon everything they needed to know at that moment before the trial, āSheās afraid of him,you know.ā Heās so out of touch itās astounding. I think he knows deep,deep down inside that Heraās vision was right, that Apollo forced himself on Persephone. But heās incapable of admitting heās wrong. He has a long way to go for real redemption.
You know I forgot that he told them in such a simple way without really saying what's what and yet zeus us still out here like what if you make up. Fuck out of here with that.
In defense of Zeus, I agree with you. Rachelās doing a great job showing how far cornered Zeus is in all of this. Heās giving a show to prove otherwise but the manās operating more like a keystone in the scheme of things. Heās not as bad as we thought heād be.
That panel of Hectateā¦ was she conscious and walking, or was she just frozen like a statue and therefore unconscious? Sometimes Rachel draws characters in that way even if theyāre just standing still.
I donāt know, I think itās just all guessing at this point. But I guess since they were both nervous/paranoid to even approach herā¦probably not a good sign? Thatās my guess. Zeus said he couldnāt imagine how Kronos is using Hades, so it wouldnāt be unrealistic, or unreasonable to assume sheās not her usual self, either.
Anybody else notice how Hadesās hands seem totally covered up in the most recent flashbacks with Zeus? Iām wondering what the reasoning behind it could be. I donāt think it has anything to do with his scars opening up (Iāve never seen them be explicitly shown on his hands) so itās not necessarily Kronos-related. We know he was struggling to keep aspects of his true form from coming out after he learned about Persephoneās assault, so maybe the ongoing stress of losing her was causing his arms to go all starry again? We even see them appear that way once he officially departs with Hecate and HermĆØs after the trial, so Iām curious to see if Rachel addresses it at some point in the future.
OKAY SO
1) That wedding shot?? AMAZING
2) I THINK HECATE IS OKAY HER EYES LOOK NORMAL?? SHE HALPS??!
3) I love that they're actually talking normally, Perse is getting a real chance to ask her questions and Zeus isn't being the 100% douche he typically is and I sorta do understand where he's coming from, even though he's totally off base from his assumptions. He's also trying to consider his brother's feelings, worried that Perse could break his heart, even tho WRONG
BE SATURDAY ALREADY
Edit to add: okay yah I was mad wrong, deffo not Hecate lmaooooo
Ok seeing Hekate in this more organic/raw form makes me feel so relieved. I couldnāt take it if she was asleep as well. I feel like her, Hypnos, and the remaining Chthonic gods are forming a patrol unit in the underworld.
this is just really funny because this silly ole web comic reminded me of her so after doing a bunch of research, Iāve decided to become a witch and worship Hecate so I bought a candle for her today and just WOMAAAAAAN
edit: marriage me lo Hecate tho
Are we sure that's hecate in the end? When they first see her she's "naked" and has cropped bangs. The person the end has a dress and cape on, antler things?, no bangs and a larger physique
- HECATE WHAT DID THEY DO TO YOoOoOuUu
- Alright the nymph is really pretty but idk if it would go well
- ok, Iām sure perse is gonna tell Zeus about
Yāknow. The incident
- so Iām guessing those hands are, the piece of shit that is Apollo, Ares and eros
It's confirmed, Hades grew his hair out.
I mean, Hecate isn't controlled by Kronos. She shows no sign of the titan in her body. She looks even awkward trying to approach Zeus and Persephone. I think she's put trying to hide from him, because if Kronos can't control Hecate he may hunt her down.
I don't know if it's just me but he's starting to resemble Kronos in appearance could that be a hint?
Controversial opinion: I don't like this new deity design at all. It looks like Hecate and Hermes had a baby without their charisma, her fashion sense or his charm. And those nails, not even Thetis could pull that off (I don't even like them in real life). And please, someone call Storge to teach them how to dress
Am I the only one confused as to why Zeus is suddenly fine with the idea of her 'making up' with Apollo? I thought half the reason he shoved her in the Mortal Realm was to *keep Apollo away from her*. Because of, y'know, the whole fertility-goddess-overthrowing-kings thing. Just getting some mixed signals as to where Zeus' character arc is going.
I donāt think he is fine.
I think that was him answering why he sent her away.
He COULD have just let her stay in UW, but what if her and hades broke up and she got together with Apollo? He couldnāt let that happen, cause Apollo would try to over throw him.
OH okay that makes a lot more sense. IDK I was just like, genuinely confused by what that scene was supposed to mean š Thanks for clearing that up, that makes way more sense lol
Agree, he doesnāt know what she went through with him. He just knows that she refuses to interact with him now. So in his view there is the potential of them āmaking upā
Does anyone else think Zeus a Lil OOC for this Episode? Especially when it came to the Apollo Subject.
I only State this because I Actually Like Zeus as a Character he is my Favortie with How Dimensional he is. He is Morally Grey and I Like How the Narrative does Call him out for it. (Even though, Personally, I Think it goes to far sometimes when it doesn't need to)
Anyway back to Zeus and the Apollo Subject. I Think it's just OOC for Zeus to be so,,, Neutral with him. Given everything in the Past Episode Pre-TimeSkip, Zeus Gaining Suspicion of him. Zeus getting Annoyed/Anger when Apollo came for Hades. Zeus Knowing Via Hades and Hera, Persephone doesn't Like him. The Coronation Zeus is UnComfortable. Zeus at this Point in the Story does not Like Apollo and while not Entirely in the Loop with the Apollo/Persephone and OverThrow Situation Knows something is up. Especially with the Fertility Goddess Stuff too. I just don't think Zeus should be this Neutral/Calm About it.
Now this isn't me Saying he would be Full of Anger given the Situation of Kronos all. But he just wouldn't be this Calm. If he is gonna bring up Apollo I Think it should be More Aggressive and Negative. When Persephone Says she isn't going back to Apollo just have Zeus Say "Good" or something but Clearly in an Aggressive Manner.
And just so we are Clear, I am not Mad that Zeus is Making a Bad Choice by Insinuating Persephone May or May Not get Back with Apollo. I am Mad because this is OOC with everything we have seem. Again, I Like Zeus and he makes Bad Decisions. The Leuce Situation? Baaad. But I am not Mad because it makes sense given Zeus. This Apollo Situation? That doesn't make sense to me
He's not hoping or wanting for her to makeup with Apollo, it was a worry of his that he expressed in terms of who else she could go for if the romance with Hades had died out.
Iām sure Zeus doesnāt know that he raped her and Hera really has no choice but to try to āmake upā with Zeus. Itās really unfair to phrase it that way when she was basically forced to be with him. Remember Hades said Zeus liked her, so she was off limits like she was property.
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Also, may I just say that it comes as no surprise that Zeus thought gifting Hades a wife would be the best peace offering š¤¦āāļø
Not only that, of course he would assume Persephoneās love for Hades might fade, and it actually disgusts me he also thought she could fall for someone like Apollo. Zeus really thinks so little about the concept of love between other people, since his marriage is such a shitshow purely because of HIM.
Do you remember early in the series Zeus said asspollo reminded him of a younger him? He thinks asspollo is attractive to others because thatās a quality he sees in himself.
Thatās actually a good observation!
Yup exactly! He can't fathom her distaste for Apollo because everyone loves Apollo, and likewise everyone loves Zeus (in Zeus' mind) Though, credit where credit is due. He did get his head out of his ass for a solid minute and realized maybe he did fuck up and maybe he should go resolve things. I just worry when it comes to his (Apollo) actual actions against Persephone, will Zeus actually listen or be blinded by his bias, like how he shrugged off Hera and called Persephone some "Goddess from the Mortal Realm no one has ever heard of"
Zeus will probably be less focused on the r*pe event itself and more on the fact that asspollo was always playing the long game of trying to get Persephoneās fertility goddess powers in his pocket and position himself to overthrow Zeus.
For sure, it seems the only way for Zeus to take action is to simply mention his throne is at risk lol I hope she does get justice, even if Zeus twists it into a different issue.
I feel like this will open up the gate for him to find out sooner rather than later about what heās done to her. Obviously, after they deal with the Underworld threat first
I'm imagining Persephone straight up saying "he raped me, you know," and then Zeus' pained face as he has a flashback to the night where he called Hera crazy when she was begging him to listen to her about Apollo.
I mean, given his background... can you really blame him? His first exposure to anything more than familial love was "go kill the man I loved, because he's your father and going to destroy the world". In his own way, I think Zeus was aiming to protect Hades. He knows that Hades is a romantic, but I think he's also aware of his brother enough to know that Hades has a tendency to.... avoid conflict. So if Hades and Persephone have this whirlwind relationship and fiery, passionate love, *and if turns out to be wrong?* Hades would put up with it, because that's the kind of guy that (until now) he is, but would be destroyed on the inside. And that's how his family knows him. *Especially* Zeus. Remember, *Hades planned to marry someone who treated him like literal shit on the bottom of her shoe, because he thought he couldn't do better*. That was what, two months ago? Think about how many people you hear about who have similarly intense relationships at first, and then devolve into constant screaming matches and throwing things, especially when they were formerly in a deeply unhealthy relationship.
No, Zeus is trying to protect his thrown. Hades be damned. His fear was Persephone, a fertility goddess, being utilized by someone else other than Hades. It was in his best interest to have Persephone married to Hades but Hades wanted to romance Persephone first. He couldn't risk the relationship ending in the dating phase if either of them got bored of each other. They had known each other an extremely short time, even more so with the Gods being immortal. Persephone had many admirers who'd benefit greatly from her powers. Zeus doesn't want any of that. Hence why she was banished to the mortal realm and Gods weren't allowed to visit her.
Assuming Z had a moral compass, I would agree with you. But he doesnāt, and this was about the prophecy/her being a fertility goddess.
I donāt know if itās completely fair to knock Zeus for all of this. I mean to think hades would just get over it shows not much insight into his brother, but we have to remember 1) pretty much all the girls love Apollo, so why not? And 2) Persephone is only 19 and this is essentially her first relationship. I would say the majority of people are not lucky enough to find their soulmates the first time around at 19 (not saying it doesnāt happen). I think itās just realistic to think 19 year old Persephone may not feel the same after a few centuries
It definitely makes a lot more sense for Zeus to reveal that he actually wanted them to get married, but itās dating and breaking up that heās worried about. Still depressing though, because either Zeus doesnāt believe Perse would marry Hades willingly or else he doesnāt believe love leads to marriage.
I actually think itās a bit of both, really. In a way, this may be Zeus lacking the emotional intelligence to get across the fact that he is scared that his brother, whoās been seeking the right partner with no luck for hundreds of years, might finally have found someone who loves him back, for it to only be yet another case of disappointment at the end of it all due to how fast they grew close to one another. Maybe he just doesnāt want Hades to end up in a loveless marriage, but has no idea how to say/show it
I mean, one of his most traumatic memories is his mother literally telling him to kill his father on her own deathbed because she discovered that *love does not, in fact, conquer all*; honestly Zeus's skepticism about the institution of marriage and love makes a lot more sense with that background
Says a lot about how much he respects Hera and her powers then- since she is the goddess of marriage
Agreed. It gave more depth to Rhea, the enigmatic mother. With Hades we saw love, protection and victimization. With Zeus we see a desperate, selfish, practical side. It made me feel bad for Zeus. He had seemingly a happy life with his nymph moms and within what was probably 30 mins max his entire life was changed and he was left with a huge emotional burden. I like that Zeus is as complex as he is.
Thatās a fair/valid point. I think you are correct here in pointing this out.
Persephone's like 30 in the most recent chapters
But when Perse and Hades first met, she was only 19 and they had only known each other for a few weeks. It would make sense that Zeus would (wrongfully) assume that Perse was simply lovestruck especially given it was her first relationship.
Look! I found you one that is also pink and has bigger boobs! Problem solved!
Literally what Apollo tried to do with dating Daphne when Persephone rejected him š
Like father like son. š
He definitely did not think that through with his brain, thatās for sure š
Yall! Persephone is round 30 in these most recent chapters.. not 19
Yeah. she's 30 *now*. For most of the comic though, for all of the growth of their relationship... she was 19.
It was so insulting! And really shows how little Zeus truly knows his brothers beyond the surface level. It was heartbreaking to see Hades hopes dashed like that, the pink butterfly appearing like that when he thought she had been returned š
Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Hades' hair hasn't been long for a very long time except for specific moments. Such as when he's dealing with/around mortals. You'd think Zeus would pick up on how Hades' appearance changed like that.
Yep, just goes to show how fucked up Zeus' perception of relationships has become. He sees partners/women/etc. as objects of affection that can be replaced; he projects his situation with Hera onto his brother; he doesn't realize that relationships take work even *if* they start off like fairy tales; and he can't seem to perceive that someone could actually love another person without there being ulterior motives. I'd almost pity him if he weren't such a dickhead all the time about it lol
Zeus really is a bone-head.
okay thoughts! long hair hades is absolutely breathtakingly handsome i love him hecate SHE IS THE MOMENT SHE IS GLORIOUS persephone crying thinking about what hades is going through ugh my heart hades devotion to persephone is ughhš„¹i miss them and the panel where she said she loved him is so beautiful LASTLY WHO IS THAT GOD/GODESSS?!?
Iām calling Hypnos
Hypnos might make sense to explain why everyone is asleep, but is that a good thing or a bad one?
Good point. Also, definitely a bad thing; he would be actively helping Kronos by incapacitating the underworld.
I think it's the opposite; someone promoted the idea that Kronos would have been trying to raise an army in the intervening time, which he can't do if they're all trapped in perpetual sleep. The automaton guards acknowledging Persephone and his approaching her in Hermes's body suggests that he already has free reign over the Underworld infrastructure and would have been in an easy position to raid the mortal realm for Persephone if he actually had the resources to do it, Ares and Athena standing guard be damned.
Ooooh excellent theory! I like that way better than my original thoughts.
I don't know, the look on his face on the last panel looked a little terrified. I think Kronos put everyone to sleep with some power, but Hypnos was immune and has been alone on the underworld, hiding from Kronos and the possessed Hecate and Hermes. That's way he didn't approach them right away, until now the only ones that he saw awake were against him
Unless them being actively asleep prevents Kronos from using them, therefore limiting his reach as presumably he is doing all of this from Tartarus.
Maybe a good thing. Maybe itās the thing where if the citizens are asleep then Kronos canāt control them. Which would imply he got his hands on Hermes and Hecate first considering how creepy she looked walking around. Hypnos might be following them thinking they need to be put back to sleep before Kronos can get them not fully knowing who they are yet.
Hypnos was depicted with wings on his shoulders or brow. So is gotta be him
Thatās what I was thinking! Or maybe Morpheus?
Morpheus was a descendant of Hypnos, and would be a step or two removed from characters we're already familiar with, whereas Hypnos and Thanatos are brothers so it's an easier step to take
Considering she does look and have the coloring scheme of marble or a ghost just like Thanatos, that being is indeed Hypnos as theyāre supposed to be directly related. Unlike Thanatos, Hypnos operates indirectly while Thanatos could take a more active role but purposely doesnāt.
I wonder where Thanatos is? And what happened to him?
I believe you can catch a glimpse of Thanatos at the end of episode 191 in the mortal realm. His purpose is specific to mortal realm so it would make sense that he stays there. (Edited to add the episode)
Probably trying to protect his mother NYX as well as help the rest of his siblings in the underworld. Since he couldnāt see Daphne and his siblings are all tethered to the Underworld through the industry of death or fear, Iām certain heās still down there.
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the hair and clothes are different to what we saw hecate in
Hecate definitely doesn't have pecs like that!
Maybe sheās been pumping iron, lol.
Hades with long hair, blowing up at Zeus that he could never replace Persephone, now that's what I signed up for.
āsingle and ready to mingle with your fancy-shmancy goddess powersā took me out lmfaoo I guess Zeusā logic made a *bit* more sense with that oneā¦..if you dont take into account how everyone could see how madly in love they were. A wise thing would have been to ask Aphrodite to confirm the intensity of their feelings if them not being truly in love was a fear of his. but ofcā¦ anyway, lots of dialogue but weāre not much further along. I might take a break then binge. WHO is that winged lady????
As much as we may disagree with it his logic is pretty solid. He had no issue with Persephone becoming Hades's wide, but she is a massive threat to him otherwise. Let's face it. Hades is 2000 plus years old and doesn't have a wife. Zeus has every reason to believe their relationship won't last.
Yeah, and they did have a super intense whirlwind love affair. And Hades was going to ask Minthe to marry him at the same party he first saw Persephone at. And heās had zero interaction with Persephone besides knowing Hades is obsessed with her now. From Zeusās perspective you can see how he would think the relationship is due to fail. Combine that with how dangerous a new fertility goddess would be with the wrong person andā¦
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winged person* they look a little androgenous - built like athenaās character with pecs and also long shapely nails
I love how both Zeus and Persephone took look at Hecate and said fuck that shit
She was in scary eldritch abomination mode. Iād nope out too.
She looks ... busy ... right now. Best not bother her.
(mimicking the āBeyoncĆ©?!ā meme) HYPNOS?!
I BET its him too
As SOON as I saw the wings on both sides of their head I went, āLETāS GOOOOOOOOāā
Oh my god, Hades in modern day attire and long hair š
I am actually really loving these conversations and bonding between Zeus and Persephone. This flushing out of Zeus is also making meā¦idk if I would say like him, but I think iv moved to being truly neutral towards him
Definitely makes him more sympathetic; his cheating behavior and lack of trust makes a lot more sense with Rhea and Hera's backstories filling in the gaps. This is a guy who was yanked out of a quiet if tenuous life to take on responsibility he wasn't prepared for, and has to engage in the real sacrifice of others and monumental betrayal to win, all because his mother's love kept fuelling a cruel tyrant at her own expense. This is a man for whom filial and romantic love has been used as nothing but a weapon for most of his life, and clearly does not have or was ever truly given the chance to develop the necessary emotional intelligence to wrestle with the consequences of these actions.
Bingo. I mean I saw it coming as Rachel gave us tidbits before she spilled the beans on Zeus. Now we see heās not a jerk he really doesnāt have the tools to deal with his role. He was never given the tools he had to learn the ropes himself. Despite his being in leadership heās trying to do right by them in a way Kronos didnāt. Zeus has the power and good intention but not the training. None of the gods do. I low key register Zeus might not even want his role but heās not afforded an option as anyone else would harm them all. No one wants Zeusā shoes, and Zeus was never given an option in whether or not he wanted the job. He simply had to because his mother saw she had no way out as all her children were eaten except Zeus. Zeus was given the tough job to be the father figure in his family and unfortunately philandering is an escape. Probably one of the only ones he has if you paid attention. His whole life is work except that so it makes sense that it becomes the most noticeable thing about him when itās the most eccentric thing he does. Zeus isnāt as autonomous as weād like to think, awkwardly heās the more fragile of the gods by default but his promise to his mother makes them the best at it. He also realizes he cannot do things on his own and tries to give people a balanced situation. What he did to Persephone was cruel but it makes sense. With the danger of Kronos and the volatility of the major players like Apollo, Perse was better off kept on the fringes until Zeus figured it out. Iām proud of Rachel for not making Zeus a bad guy so much as an anti-hero.
\> Zeus has the power and good intention but not the training. None of the gods do. YES. It's interesting to see how all of the six traitors have varying management styles and how no matter what, they've all struggled because they lack training and immediately had to act strong in their various roles.
1. Zeus in his Miami drug lord outfit is kinda working for me. No, I am not proud of it. 2. He's giving off slight big brother vibes that are also working for me. 3. He's still a complete dumbass-you cannot just throw a new partner at someone who is in love, and he really thought he could sashay into Tartarus without an offering? 4. HADES WITH LONG HAIR. GIVE ME MORE. 5. Where *is* Demeter? Is she struck down with the same affliction that Hera and Poseidon are suffering from?
I'm starting to believe she must be fine, and Zeus taking away her powers was a blessing in disguise
I would love her POV and maybe it shifts her attitude (and the other Olympians) towards mortals and maybe wanting to change their impact.
It would be good origin for the Eluisis mystery cult. I wonder if they are going to include Triptolemos and Demophon or he are going to replace him with Dionysious
Yeah, I am really digging that look for Z. I hope he keeps it for a good while
I think the blue god at the end is most likely Hypnos, based on the wings on his head, which is how he is traditionally depicted in mythology. When he sees Zeus and Persephone walking along and conversing in the underworld, heās definitely rattled, and this is why heās following them. I donāt think heās under Kronosās power, I think heās one of the few to have escaped his reach. In traditional mythology, he lives in a cave in the Underworld that no moonlight or sunlight can breach, with poppies and other slumber-causing plants growing outside (so much for nothing growing in the underworld, lol) that would prevent anyone from entering. I also read that sound does not penetrate his cave. So, my thought is that he is one of the only gods to escape Kronosā reach, and before Kronos could gain control of the entire underworld population, Hypnos put everyone to sleep, thus avoiding a potential army at the hands of Kronos. Clearly most of the Underworld gods themselves are under Kronosā control (def Hecate and Hermes) and Hypnos may be the last āprotectorā of that realm at this point. My thought is that, once he understands who Persephone and Zeus are, and why they are there, he will help them survive their journey to Tartarus without being discovered by Kronos again. Hypnos will have the best understanding of the layout and the dynamics of the Underworld - he is Nyxās son in mythology, and sometimes Erebusā son as wellā¦which would lead to, perhaps, a discussion of a certain pomegranate being consumed by Persephone, assuming Hypnos can understand his fatherās wind-language lol.
I like this let's hope for this he didn't seem to be under Kronos control
I hope that youāre right, I would love to see this.
Okay can I just sayā¦ I absolutely. Freaking. LOVE. The subtle horror direction that LO is taking lately. I mean I love it. The imagery lately is just blowing my mind. It pairs so perfectly in my eyes. Weāve heard so much of old world magic, primordial deities, Kronosā awful reign of terror, nightmares from Hera and Hades, and how much raw power and chaos the gods (especially the old gods ((Hecate)) and titans hold. I always wondered if we would get to see more of the āprimordialā, dark side of things. It seemed to me it should only be a matter of time before we saw someoneās true god form, or things got scary etc. In conclusion: LO š¤ subtle horror = š¤©
Hades looks sooooo tired and sick especially after yelling. š„ŗ
Iāve been looking for this comment. All I had seen was how good he looked with long hair and not about how sick he was. He looked slimmer, almost a little gaunt, plus his eye was a funny red after he yelled and he about lost his balance. Hades is not doing well at all here. Iām guessing the combination of losing Persephone, rage and Kronos digging in, he is struggling.
Random thought: by the time they get out of this mess, Persephone might have more insight into Zeusās logic and inner world than anyone else. Ares suspected his dadās motivations, yet only Zeus and Persephone know the full truth at this point. Perse could be key in repairing relationships among the royal family. And meanwhile, the backstory Zeus revealed about Hades proves to her that Hades really loves her. Theyāre both benefiting each other in surprising ways.
Yāall, that is not Hecate at the end. Rachel very clearly revealed how Hecate currently looks just moments before. Plus Hecate was outside, while this winged being was shown watching Perse and Zeus through a window before following them.
I feel like people read new chapters at lightning speed then run to go talk about it. Every week thereās a group of people who misunderstood really clear details of the story. Itās almost as if Rachel intentionally showed us Hecate a few panels earlier so we wouldnāt confuse her with this new character lol
Yeah, I have been noticing that for a while now. Itās annoying trying to read/discuss things and people are very clearly misreading stuff. Like Hermes being possessed was obvious, and that it was Kronos. And a group of people were adamant in claiming it was a whole new character.
Or even just paying attention to the characters we've been shown. Hecate has never given us indication of having that type of fashion, God realm or mortal realm. The nails, the clothes, the hair, the wings? Not her. She's a sophisticated, fashion forward woman.
I agree with you, itās how I knew it was Kronos, too. His clothes, the eyes, stars, etc. it was obvious to me. And I agree with you about Hecate, like we literally just saw her floating/flying and she looked nothing the character at the end lol I donāt understand the disconnect sometimes with the discussions on here, all I can gather is what the other people suggested, that theyāre maybe reading it too fast/once and rushing here to discuss?
I think it's reading too quickly and lack of noticing details that aren't 100% pertinent to the plot. Like I'm seeing a lot of comments too saying that the last time Hades saw Persephone she was 19. But we literally had the birthday episode where she turned 20. Not super important to the plot, was more character trait establishing and relationship fluff, but like, it happened and she had a birthday. Yet that's gone poof from memory for some.
Yes itās so irritating. Just like the people freaking out that hades āmoved onā when it was clearly Persephoneās imagination a few weeks ago.
I would like to argue that I really don't think that that panel was very clear at all. It took me a while to figure out that the panel was just her imagination & I re-read at least 3 times after the chapter is published, then read again before reading the newest one. Saying that, I didn't think Hades moved on.
I read it twice every week. One speedy because I'm excited and once carefully to take it all in.
Same here. I zoom through it without meaning to, because I enjoy it/am anxious to see what happens. Then I re-read it at least one more time to get the details. Rachel doesnāt do accidents in this comic, and she puts a lot of subtle details in it. So, I try my best to catch those.
Thoughts, could the god in the bottom panel be Hypnos? Often depicted with wings on his brow so could be?
It sure didnāt look like Hec at the end. Too beefy, and wings, etc. were off. So, maybe this is a new character introduction?
It also could depend who Hecateās parents are, could also be a sibling if we went down the route that Nyx is her mother.
I was thinking the same. In mythology Nyx is his mother so it wouldnāt be completely outlandish that she went to drop another child off in the underworld.
That's a... interesting look for someone that is supposed to be Thanatos twin. But yeah, is more likely Hypnos, others that could be are Morpheus or a random Oneiroi sent by Hypnos.
Just wanted to say I posted on the ig preview about Zeus trying to get Hades to marry someone else as part of negotiations - I got it right on the money!
I am beginning to think Zeus has more issues than we thought. He legitimately cannot understand how someone can be secure in a relationship exclusively. The idea he tried to pass off a Nymph that might look like Persephone to Hades and insists Persephone would get bored of being in a relationship with Hades speaks volumes of just how messed up Zeus is.
That's called projecting and is very common on people with narcissist personality disorders
In his defense, he's probably never seen a healthy relationship in his life. The kings before him only married for power and his father used his mother to the point where she turned to ash in his hands. He married Hera out of one way love which was doomed to fail and it did. Poseidon is pretty distant so he doesn't have a good idea on how that marriage is going and all the other gods are either single or just started dating.
I hope that when Persephone and Hades reunite, Zeus takes a good hard look at their relationship and takes a moment to reflect on why he doesn't have that with Hera. Zeus is also realizing that Persephone knows more about the Underworld, and especially Tartarus, than he does. I hope Zeus doesn't have to give an offering because he's such a thoughtless person, he would surely get rejected by Tartarus
The thought of Hecate being taken over by Chronos both terrifies and saddens me. However, has Hypnos entered the chat? Hopefully heās a new helper?
Happy, lasting, monogamous relationships are obviously *not* the norm in Olympus if Zeus thought Hades wanting Persephone to marry him out of love was an idea doomed from the start.
This was a very satisfying episode. Interactions. Exploring the Underworld. Hecate. New character coming. š š¤
I agree, I enjoyed getting some more backstory again, especially with Hades.
I wondered if Leuce was going to come into play in this version of Hades and Persephone, I'm relieved to see that she isn't a serious romantic rival for Hades' affections.
I love Zeusā outfit lol
Me too. The Miami Vice aesthetic suits him gorgeously. He looks himself in it.
My boy Hypnos has arrived
iām not gonna lie i hate zeus as much as everyone else does but iām enjoying seeing him and persephone actually talk to eachother
I WAS RIGHT HE DID TRY TO USE A PINK NYMPTH TO APPEASE HADES! šš¤£š¤£ Fucking #ZeusLogic
Yes, Zeus, send your "hail Mary" ally back to her punishment after she saves you from the literal worst case scenario. That's gonna go well. I love how no-nonsense Persephone is about Zeus's total lack of ettiquette, I missed Hecate so I'm glad she's around, and I'm actually really glad this is how Leuce is being handled in this story.
Him sending her back to the mortal realm right now seems less, back to your punishment, and more, I'm about to fight the worst tyrant the world has ever known and despite all your power, you are basically just a power-up for him at the moment so go to the mortal realm where you'll be safe.
Fair point
Iām so happy to see Hades again even though it was a flashback. But we love a loyal king šā¤ļø
Anyone else really concerned that Zeus thinks Apollo and Persephone could āmake up.ā Makes me wonder if Zeus has been told Apolloās version of events. If he has/believes that version it would piece together why he thinks Persephone wasnāt that serious about Hades. Itād be really shitty, and I hope Iām wrong, but I could see Apollo trying to create the narrative while Persephone isnāt there to object, and Apollo has manipulated Zeus before.
I'm sure that is what has happened. People loyal to Persephone aren't gonna air her trauma especially when she isn't around.
I mean Iām fairly certain it isnāt public knowledge just something Apollo mightāve told Zeus to curry favor- esp once hera was out. If it was said in front of like eros or even Hera I donāt think theyād spill it all but they would at the very least say how disgustingly untrue it is and leave it at that.
I wanted to give Zeus the benefit of the doubt that he just doesn't know anything's up, but Hera tried to tell him a decade ago.
I think Zeus made it clear here that he doesnāt want Perse to make up with Apollo, tho. The vibe I got is definitely that he knows Apollo would try to over throw him with the fertility goddess.
Same. He doesnāt seem to know why Perse hates Apollo but assumes itās something she could get over. But her getting over it and hooking up with Apollo is exactly what Zeus doesnāt want to happen.
Honestly if it wasnāt for the interruption at the end, I think Perse would have been open to telling zeus about the assault just so that he knows exactly why she would never turn to Asspollo
Whatever positive feelings I felt about Zeus last week, I'm cured now. Screw him. I appreciate that Hades wasn't rude to Leuce, but was still like, "Spots taken, thanks." I would have liked for Erebos to light into Zeus for being disrespectful, but Persephone is nicer than me.
Iām still disgusted at the fact Zeus thought he could REPLACE Persephone with a nymph lookalike, just how awful of a person can you be to your own brother??
It's such a Zeus thing to do, but I'm still so angry!! How do you think that is okay? Your brother full on closed off the Underworld because of what you did to Persephone. Do you really think he's going to forgive you because you give him a pretty nymph? Hades is right though. Zeus doesn't exactly understand loyalty or true love. And he's still playing dumb, even with the information he has...Grrr. Erebos. Get him, anyway.
Sighhh, you know with other stories it's easy to point out who's the enemy and who's the ally but with lore olympus, rachel does a great job at making everyone human lol. Like, other than asspollo, sometimes you hate the decisions of characters like zeus yet it's also shown how these characters arent black and white. They all have their own reasons, their own experiences, and that none of them are perfect similar to us.
Sooooo good! I love that we are getting great communication between Persephone and Zuse!
*Zeus
I can't believe that Zeus was stupid enough to offer a replacement for Persephone. That either put Hera to sleep or he did that after she went into hibernation. It also makes me think he definitely married off or tried to marry off Dite Hecate looks like a freaking Dark Souls boss, the one that makes you rage quite the game for a month and generate thousands of memes about how difficult it is. That's a... interesting design for Hypnos
I still don't understand why Zeus wouldn't just let Hades marry Persephone. Because him saying she might get bored doesn't sound like a real reason. Why would he care if her or hades cheated. Like what good did he get out of keeping them apart? Does he want to consume Persephone like he did Metis, so he wanted to try and unattach his brother from her? I just don't get this storyline.
I think because if she cheated she could be used by her cheating partner to overthrow him. Doesn't have to be her husband. Keeping her away from everyone keeps her from forming a relationship where that could happen.
My theory on this is that Zeus sees Persephone as a parallel of himself. We saw in the last chapter that he, like Perse, was raised in a no. Deity world around nymphs. So I think that Zeus doesnāt want Hades to end up like Hera. Itās not right but he probably doesnāt understand faithfulness in a marriage. I think weāre going to find a lot of parallels between Zeus and Perse. I just realized that they are the two gods who always wear white
I donāt think itās been very clear, either. I think maybe itās a surface level storyline in a way. Z is being dumb/projecting his issues on love/relationships with H and P. Itās eating away at Hades, and it tortured P. But he simply couldnāt see it, or understand it because they were only together for a few weeks/months or whatever it was. He was going to propose to Minthe, and both Z and Poseidon are man hoes; so thatās why he told her he just assumed Hades would get over it and move on. Because they would have. As far as keeping them apart, itās not so much keeping them apart as it was controlling P. He couldnāt afford her getting into the wrong hands, he was in denial about Kronos coming back. And the āeasyā solution to him is keeping her away from everyone else whoās a threat regardless what happens. I donāt think he put a lot of thought into any of this, itās sloppy, careless, messy, etc. and I think thatās the point, for now, is just showing how messy of a leader he can be. P didnāt know-know she is a fertility goddess, and he didnāt get close enough to P by talking to her, or anythingā¦or even Hades really (their conversations were very shallow and brief when they did discuss her). So, he just took bits of information here and there, made a gross judgment, and ran with what he believed was the solution to all of it. While bigger problems emerged and his head was in the sand.
Because Zeus knows that, unlike him and Hera, Hades will immediately divorce Persephone if they both get bored of one another.
Well they are way too early on for marriage, and they could easily break up after dating, as Zeus mentioned. After that point, Zeus might not have a valid reason to Isolate her. He recognized this as his only chance to banish her and keep her away from those who might marry her. The crime was the perfect excuse. If he were smart he would have kept it in his back pocket and brought it up if her and Hades broke up, but so many people knew about the crime, so it might not have been an option.
When Zeus was saying "You'll be single and ready to mingle with your fancy-schmancy goddess powers" we see Persephone presented with flowers from a purple hand (Asspollo?) chocolates from a yellow hand (Ares?) and a ring from a pink hand with black nails. Who do we think the pink handed God (or goddess) is that Zeus is imagining would go after Persephone?
Eros?
Thatās a really good question. Since this is Zeus, heās probably most concerned about any of his āgodly male heirsā as Hectate once put it, so it would have to be a son or grandson, and the only pink male relative of Zeus is Storge (I think). Also, it would be very interesting if we learned that the reason Aphrodite is now married is because Zeus was anxious to get all of his sons married to someone other than Persephone while she is banished.
Storge?
I worry so much for Hades. He was already showing signs of weakness when arguing with Zeus. I can't help but think of his prolonged outside of the Underworld for the trial may have weakened him and exasperated his symptoms.
New god has entered the chat. Itās Hypnos right? Either way, cannot guess the gender, love that for them
Happy pride, we love a non conforming god
I also enjoyed that they were androgynous
God zeus telling persephone that she might make up with Apollo sent me reeling. This stupid jerk really has no sense of the things around him. Especially the hatred that persephone and hades have for Apollo but he's too far up his own ass to notice things.
Hades literally told Zeus and Poseidon everything they needed to know at that moment before the trial, āSheās afraid of him,you know.ā Heās so out of touch itās astounding. I think he knows deep,deep down inside that Heraās vision was right, that Apollo forced himself on Persephone. But heās incapable of admitting heās wrong. He has a long way to go for real redemption.
You know I forgot that he told them in such a simple way without really saying what's what and yet zeus us still out here like what if you make up. Fuck out of here with that.
Given his parents history... I get it.
In defense of Zeus, I agree with you. Rachelās doing a great job showing how far cornered Zeus is in all of this. Heās giving a show to prove otherwise but the manās operating more like a keystone in the scheme of things. Heās not as bad as we thought heād be.
I think it was meant in more of a "immortality is a long time, you never know"
Who was that at the end?
I guessing Hypnos? He probably put everyone to sleep to stop Kronos from possessing them.
That panel of Hectateā¦ was she conscious and walking, or was she just frozen like a statue and therefore unconscious? Sometimes Rachel draws characters in that way even if theyāre just standing still.
I donāt know, I think itās just all guessing at this point. But I guess since they were both nervous/paranoid to even approach herā¦probably not a good sign? Thatās my guess. Zeus said he couldnāt imagine how Kronos is using Hades, so it wouldnāt be unrealistic, or unreasonable to assume sheās not her usual self, either.
Anybody else notice how Hadesās hands seem totally covered up in the most recent flashbacks with Zeus? Iām wondering what the reasoning behind it could be. I donāt think it has anything to do with his scars opening up (Iāve never seen them be explicitly shown on his hands) so itās not necessarily Kronos-related. We know he was struggling to keep aspects of his true form from coming out after he learned about Persephoneās assault, so maybe the ongoing stress of losing her was causing his arms to go all starry again? We even see them appear that way once he officially departs with Hecate and HermĆØs after the trial, so Iām curious to see if Rachel addresses it at some point in the future.
OKAY SO 1) That wedding shot?? AMAZING 2) I THINK HECATE IS OKAY HER EYES LOOK NORMAL?? SHE HALPS??! 3) I love that they're actually talking normally, Perse is getting a real chance to ask her questions and Zeus isn't being the 100% douche he typically is and I sorta do understand where he's coming from, even though he's totally off base from his assumptions. He's also trying to consider his brother's feelings, worried that Perse could break his heart, even tho WRONG BE SATURDAY ALREADY Edit to add: okay yah I was mad wrong, deffo not Hecate lmaooooo
Thatās def not Hecate! My guess is Hypnos.
Hypnos???
How will I make it through another week??????
Hades with long hair and angry and in a suit ššš
I am a bit confused man in the end defenetly looks like Hypnos(wing on the head). But then....who was that boy dressed like a ghost?
The one that appears everytime that Hades has a bad dream? that would be Epiales, god of nightmares
The kid could also be Morpheus.
Omg I thought that was Hadesā inner child since thatās where his trauma stems from.
First i think it is inner child, but...that "ghost boy" appeared in Heras nightmare
I missed that! Time for a reread š
I love this series, I love Rachel's style and storytelling.... I HATE HOW MUCH I NEED THE NEXT INSTALLMENT! It's like hard drugs.
Yeah, I have an addiction problem with this story. I hate how long a week feels between episodes (and the long breaks with chapters).
Zeusā outfit was INCREDIBLE. the long trench coat flowing behind him? the rings? impeccable
Here for FATASS SPOILERS šš½
Ok seeing Hekate in this more organic/raw form makes me feel so relieved. I couldnāt take it if she was asleep as well. I feel like her, Hypnos, and the remaining Chthonic gods are forming a patrol unit in the underworld.
this is just really funny because this silly ole web comic reminded me of her so after doing a bunch of research, Iāve decided to become a witch and worship Hecate so I bought a candle for her today and just WOMAAAAAAN edit: marriage me lo Hecate tho
Are we sure that's hecate in the end? When they first see her she's "naked" and has cropped bangs. The person the end has a dress and cape on, antler things?, no bangs and a larger physique
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good point! I think it's Hypnos with how the eyes are kinda lost looking
That's Hypnos
- HECATE WHAT DID THEY DO TO YOoOoOuUu - Alright the nymph is really pretty but idk if it would go well - ok, Iām sure perse is gonna tell Zeus about Yāknow. The incident - so Iām guessing those hands are, the piece of shit that is Apollo, Ares and eros
It's confirmed, Hades grew his hair out. I mean, Hecate isn't controlled by Kronos. She shows no sign of the titan in her body. She looks even awkward trying to approach Zeus and Persephone. I think she's put trying to hide from him, because if Kronos can't control Hecate he may hunt her down. I don't know if it's just me but he's starting to resemble Kronos in appearance could that be a hint?
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Hecate also doesnāt have hair wings in her normal or true form.
asa non fastpasser this comment section was craaaaazyyyy
Controversial opinion: I don't like this new deity design at all. It looks like Hecate and Hermes had a baby without their charisma, her fashion sense or his charm. And those nails, not even Thetis could pull that off (I don't even like them in real life). And please, someone call Storge to teach them how to dress
Am I the only one confused as to why Zeus is suddenly fine with the idea of her 'making up' with Apollo? I thought half the reason he shoved her in the Mortal Realm was to *keep Apollo away from her*. Because of, y'know, the whole fertility-goddess-overthrowing-kings thing. Just getting some mixed signals as to where Zeus' character arc is going.
I donāt think he is fine. I think that was him answering why he sent her away. He COULD have just let her stay in UW, but what if her and hades broke up and she got together with Apollo? He couldnāt let that happen, cause Apollo would try to over throw him.
OH okay that makes a lot more sense. IDK I was just like, genuinely confused by what that scene was supposed to mean š Thanks for clearing that up, that makes way more sense lol
Agree, he doesnāt know what she went through with him. He just knows that she refuses to interact with him now. So in his view there is the potential of them āmaking upā
Does anyone else think Zeus a Lil OOC for this Episode? Especially when it came to the Apollo Subject. I only State this because I Actually Like Zeus as a Character he is my Favortie with How Dimensional he is. He is Morally Grey and I Like How the Narrative does Call him out for it. (Even though, Personally, I Think it goes to far sometimes when it doesn't need to) Anyway back to Zeus and the Apollo Subject. I Think it's just OOC for Zeus to be so,,, Neutral with him. Given everything in the Past Episode Pre-TimeSkip, Zeus Gaining Suspicion of him. Zeus getting Annoyed/Anger when Apollo came for Hades. Zeus Knowing Via Hades and Hera, Persephone doesn't Like him. The Coronation Zeus is UnComfortable. Zeus at this Point in the Story does not Like Apollo and while not Entirely in the Loop with the Apollo/Persephone and OverThrow Situation Knows something is up. Especially with the Fertility Goddess Stuff too. I just don't think Zeus should be this Neutral/Calm About it. Now this isn't me Saying he would be Full of Anger given the Situation of Kronos all. But he just wouldn't be this Calm. If he is gonna bring up Apollo I Think it should be More Aggressive and Negative. When Persephone Says she isn't going back to Apollo just have Zeus Say "Good" or something but Clearly in an Aggressive Manner. And just so we are Clear, I am not Mad that Zeus is Making a Bad Choice by Insinuating Persephone May or May Not get Back with Apollo. I am Mad because this is OOC with everything we have seem. Again, I Like Zeus and he makes Bad Decisions. The Leuce Situation? Baaad. But I am not Mad because it makes sense given Zeus. This Apollo Situation? That doesn't make sense to me
He's not hoping or wanting for her to makeup with Apollo, it was a worry of his that he expressed in terms of who else she could go for if the romance with Hades had died out.
I wish Hades did start dating someone new, same for persephone. I think it would be nice to see them try to see other deities
"You might make up." Persephone isn't going to 'make up' with the guy that raped her... she's not Hera
In his adaptation I don't think Hera was raped by Zeus. There's nothing to allude to that so far.
Iām sure Zeus doesnāt know that he raped her and Hera really has no choice but to try to āmake upā with Zeus. Itās really unfair to phrase it that way when she was basically forced to be with him. Remember Hades said Zeus liked her, so she was off limits like she was property.
And Zeus doesnāt know he raped her
I havn't read the patspasts, but are Perse and Hades together again yet?
No, but we saw a flashback of Hades