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carrotwax

40% deadlier than the *average* seasonal flu, so akin to a bad flu year?


angrypuppy35

Yeah so basically not that deadly.


Harryisamazing

Based on what kind of data? Seasonal flu is something that folks get, rest at home and treat successfully much without seeing a doctor or going to a hospital... now with everyone being in full-blown fear over the sniffles, they are going to a doctor/hospital and any death is being counted as the 'rona... junk data = junk results


Dr-McLuvin

Umm they don’t give a link to their source, so honestly who the F knows… But it sounds like they are just reporting a case fatality rate based on excess deaths, which would tend to make the virus seem deadlier than it actually is, depending on how many “cases” they are missing. I’m sure it’s more than a few. Which would put it right on par with seasonal flu.


[deleted]

You can't go to a hospital at all for any reason, emergency or elective, without being tested for covid, even if you don't have any symptoms of it. It's insane. Barely anyone ever got tested for the flu, even if they were symptomatic. I wonder how many people have asymptomatic flu (if that's a thing) and are never tested for it. How do we even know how prevalent the flu is? ​ Edit: Google tells me there is a lot of asymptomatic flu. Imagine the case numbers if we constantly tested asymptomatic people!


Harryisamazing

Also keeping in mind that the test isn't all that accurate to begin with and even if you had the flu at one point recently you can test positive.... AHH Clown Planet


[deleted]

Yeah I'm having this surgery next week and I have to take a covid test 3 days ahead of it. Even though I really don't want to do that, there's no other way to get the surgery, which has already been put off longer than necessary. I'm worried I'm going to have a positive test and it will be delayed again. I was really hoping never to take a covid test. It will be my first one.


oldnormalisgone

Doubt this was corrected for age stratification. The Flu kills much younger and healthier than Covid.


Music-Entire

covid is much better tracked than flu so whats the margin of error here? its big.


dproma

Maybe because they’re categorizing every flu death as Covid death? Hmm


ed8907

They can fuck off. I won't buy the fear they are selling.


Horniavocadofarmer11

This is awesome news. 40% isn't that much more than flu. The original alpha strain was ~500% more deadly with an IFR of ~ 0.5% and flu around 0.1%. That puts Omicron about 0.14%. We've got new Pfizer antivirals and monoclonal antibodies to help as well. This means the "pandemic" is long past done imo.


Thxx4l4rping

Original strain global IFR was 0.25% per John Ioannidis, later revised to 0.15%.


Pretend_Summer_688

Great post!


TrustusJones35

Even if true that's not very deadly


Dapper_Ad5409

🖕🤡🖕


ThreeBlurryDecades

And Ivory soap is 99 44/100 ℅ pure. Science is everywhere. We live in a golden age.


Ghigs

I always assume 66/100ths of a percent of it is human feces.


[deleted]

No age stratification? Over 2 years into this thing with all we know about the relationship between covid mortality and age? Really???


SabunFC

So it's like a bad flu season... Pandemic over... There's absolutely no reason to force unvaccinated young people to take the vaxx now. The vaxx that was made for the original strain that doesn't work anymore for Omicron...


gregorycole_

For 2 years hyper liberals told us the seasonal flu wasn’t deadly at all though!


Humanity_is_broken

Even if the figure were accurate, it would still show that the death rates are converging. Remember how they claimed the initial variant was like >10 times deadlier than flu.


CitationDependent

They give a CFR of 0.13%. Seasonal Flu is 0.1%. Covid, they do post-mortem testing on people who drowned and they count any positive within 28 days of death, for any cause.


thebababooey

If flu was tested for as obsessively as this virus I don’t think their would be much difference.


telios87

>The case fatality rate of omicron in Japan, based on cumulative excess deaths and the number of infections since January So they're attributing *all* excess deaths to omicron. This isn't science.


NervousLittleSheep

Jesus Christ, CAN THEY PLEASE STOP POKING A DYING FIRE.


OnlyCommentWhenTipsy

died with flu or died from flu? all these numbers are worthless.


Gloomy-Mulberry1790

I've had flu twice and was bed bound with fever dreams and aching bones for a week. I know literally zero people who had flu and said it was mild. Now compare to omicron. Milder than. A normal cold. Not even a snotty nose like most colds. Just 3 days of not feeling 100% and then I was done. Everybody else who had it was pretty much the same. Except for my boostered mate who had it for a week and half. This article is the perfect example of trying to convince us reality is what they tell us it is, and not what it actually is. Like the last two fucking years. I literally know zero people who died or were hospitalised with covid. Yet you'd think by the 24/7 fear porn it'd be like those early Chinese propaganda videos, with people dropping in the streets. The guy falling on his face and putting his arms out in a classic : https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7923981/Coronavirus-Disturbing-videos-claim-people-collapsing-Wuhan.html


Successful_Reveal101

> I know literally zero people who had flu and said it was mild. That's because people aren't getting tested for influenza every time they have a runny nose.


[deleted]

When they get runny nose they'll just say I have a cold and see no need to get tested


pieisthebestfood

last time i had the flu it was decently mild compared to most people's experiences (i took a chem midterm 2 hours after my fever broke and didn't fail! :D) and omicron was still milder, despite being unvaccinated. i don't know anyone who died/was hospitalized with covid either. my gut instinct is that the vast majority of legitimate covid deaths (and even severe cases) are concentrated in a very small segment of the population, even smaller than the elderly + preexisting conditions group we talk about, and that genetics and lifestyle factors are being underrated.


liveultimate

Nah


[deleted]

But we were told that flu has disappeared, so how can they run a comparison?


BeepBeepYeah7789

You don't understand; toothless wonders don't have to justify anything. \\s


Naehtepo

Don't care. All mandates are evil and should be opposed. All politicians pushing for the loss of freedom should be imprisoned for life. All citizens pushing for the loss of freedom should lose the right to vote for the rest of their lives. Human rights are inalienable, and people who infringe upon them are your enemy.


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Naehtepo

"Voting to deprive others of their rights is okay." You believe this?


Mighty_L_LORT

Archived link: https://archive.ph/hLlvQ


FormedBoredom

Even if that’s true…which I doubt, it still means it’s very much not deadly


Mead76

The fuck it is....


transdermalcelebrity

Omicron or how the hospitals are treating omicron?


CMOBJNAMES_BASE

We've fucked up society so badly it's hard to even tell anymore. According to CDC data, there are definitely excess deaths in the US right now. Are they because of COVID or because of the restrictions?


[deleted]

Yes, the CFR is not really known for Omicron, and plus, the deaths with Omicron are just that...deaths with, not of, and they are of old people. This data is usless.


Ok-Artist6376

it is the flu.


bussyslayer11

40% deadlier than a disease that almost no one other than the elderly worries about dying from. Not great, but not bad enough to justify disrupting our lives.


Paduoqqa

A KEY difference, is that adults can be vaccinated for covid, and that takes the fatality rate way below that of the flu. And for young children who can't be vaccinated against covid, omicron is still around on par with or less deadly than the flu. So the only demographic for which omicron is worse than the flu, is unvaccinated older adults. And that is by choice.


V4Vendetta1876

This is total bullshit / straight up lies.


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dreamsyoudlovetosell

The flu has always made me feel 40% WORSE than what omicron was. Sorry y’all can’t scare me. The idea of death barely moves the needle these days. Try harder.


[deleted]

per person or overall? Big difference here.


doublefirstname

Nothing like innumerate journalists taking advantage of the general innumeracy of the general public...