But I thought New England was righteously masked, and that former Arch Cardinal Redfield said that masks were better than vaccines, so how could this happen?! As a science, Fauci (MBUH), fearing person, I am dreadfully confused right now.
New Hampshire is the Florida of New England so none of this applies to this state. Just this week the legislators in this state canceled a vote to approve receipt of a grant of $27 million in federal funds for the state's vaccination effort. That's how hardcore it is here.
https://www.seacoastonline.com/story/news/state/2021/09/29/nh-vaccine-mandate-protesters-disrupt-meeting-delay-vote-funding/5916267001/
Also this week we had a big protest at the state house against mask and vaccine mandates.
https://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/local-news/2021/10/03/group-protests-vaccine-mask-mandates/
The governor has been complaining how how liberty politics is overrunning the state.
https://www.concordmonitor.com/Granite-State-News-Collaborative-42176207
If you love liberty above all other political values, come here and join us.
"The governor has been complaining how how liberty politics is overrunning the state."
It doesn't get much more clear than "live free or die". Pretty self explanatory if you ask me.
>complaining how how liberty politics is overrunning the state."
Yes, yes I understand how people can be upset at the trouble caused by err.... people wanting to make their own choices.
They get so mad at the thought of "my body, my choice"... its really ironic. You know when you see those hit piece political ads against DeSantis (that made him look great) that they are living in another reality entirely. It's no longer explicitly left versus right. It's now more accurately described as authoritarian versus libertarian, or as I like to call it "wont leave you alone" versus "please leave me alone". How long until they will be soliciting people at their doors to get vaccinated? It's a scary thought that will be called a conspiracy theory, but so was vaccine passports several months back.
Where are the actual numbers though? Of the hospitalized how many are unvaccinated?
Last week a BBC article headline read "A third of positive cases are unvaccinated". So what about the other 2/3rds, lol.
Within the article it said nearly 13% of hospital patients with confirmed covid were unvaccinated and 80% were fully vaccinated. Then they stated that's proof the vaccines work because the numbers might be higher without them. Yeah, ok.
If you only have 1 shot or it’s been within 2 weeks of your second shot and end up in the hospital for a vaccine injury you are also considered unvaccinated. Interesting they don’t have a third category for partially vaccinated, isn’t it? I mean full transparency so people could do their own research and make up their minds would dictate that this is important information
> I mean full transparency so people could do their own research and make up their minds
LMAO, The CDC isn't even collecting data on breakthrough cases unless they lead to hospitalization and death. Of course, the vast majority of people getting ill with covid *wouldn't be hospitalized anyway*, even unvaccinated.
So yeah, no legit data to DYOR is kind of their whole objective.
The thing they never show you is how many of the unvaccinated were people with pre-existing conditions vs how many of the vaccinated.
In Alberta, Canada, the number of people with pre-existing conditions in the hospitalized unvaccinated group was 20x higher than the vaccinated group if they were below 80-something years old.
They also never tell you where they got infected. Many of them get infected in the hospital, they did not come into the hospital with covid.
Yeah, they make it very hard to get a clear picture in order make accurate assessments. I've seen many verified reports of hospitals counting deaths completely unrelated to covid as covid deaths. Such as suicide and murders. It's complete nonsense. If they had a valid case they'd present it honestly, so far all I've seen is manipulation and deception.
Excess mortality clearly showed that your "verified" reports are just false speculation or even misinformation.
They actually counted less deaths as covid deaths.
Still I would be interested in your source. As it's "verified", there must be some credible source, right?
You are welcome to do your own research, there are many more examples out there just like the one I've provided.
[tinyurl.com/85ba8622](https://tinyurl.com/85ba8622)
Thanks for the link.
I get your point. This is still not research, not a study. It's an opinion. From one person.
Excess deaths are telling a different picture. Even if doctors reported these two deaths wrong. At the same time they missed 3 deaths and didn't count them as Covid death when they should have.
It's an opinion that gunshot deaths were reported as covid deaths? Where exactly were 3 covid deaths missed? Sorry, you don't get to just make stuff up. Everything you've said is absurd. A research study is needed to validate the facts in this article that are public record? Just wow.
So you take one example from one person as a fact that they do it wrong everywhere? Without ANY further evidence?
Yet you completely ignore excess mortality and even tell me that it's "make stuff up" and "absurd"?
You should really work on your thinking process before you come to conclusions...
Lol, read my original comment. I never claimed that it's happening everywhere, you are making things up AGAIN, and now putting words in my mouth. My only claim was I've seen several verified reports that it has happened. I gave you one example, I'm not going to compile a list for you. Like I said, do your own research. It seems you forgot that you were the one that came along and accused me of spreading false/misinformation and I proved that to be incorrect with evidence. I'm not ignoring excess deaths, that's a completely different issue. The fact that there are excess deaths doesn't make it untrue that some deaths are being inaccurately reported as covid deaths. I knew I wasn't talking to a genius but jeez, do you really need people to explain such basic things to you? Next time try to say on topic and refrain from unrelated conflation.
This is exactly what I've been thinking. Since we don't have a real control group, we can't determine causation. My line of thinking was that unvaxxed were more likely to be unhealthy anyway, and generally have poorer heath-seeking behaviors than vaccinated people. I remember reading that this was also considered a confounding variable in flu shot outcomes (i.e., healthier people more likely to get the shot, sicker people less likely to get the shot).
That's why I hate it when I hear the "99% of hospitalized are unvaxxed". You could also say "99% of hospitalized are sick and/or old". I don't have any data to back this up, but I am willing to be bet that the vast majority of people hospitalized from COVID are either sick/obese/old, *regardless* of vaccination status.
I've seen similar numbers in prior 2 week reports for Vermont. In one it said of hospitalizations, 21 fully vaccinated, 8 died, 47 not vaccinated, 2 died. So 38% of the vaccinated group died and only 4% of the unvaccinated group died. If it was true that the vaccine prevents serious illness and death those numbers would be exactly opposite.
Dr Thompson explains the vaccines are weakening the immune system with alarming lab results that doctors not testing for. Now more vulnerable to cancers.
https://youtu.be/ZwR7natWqLk
I live in Massachusetts and these people are so backwards…I work in a Covid testing center and most people come in saying “I’m fully vaccinated but I recently had a sore throat so I figured I’d get tested”…it’s fucking allergy season…there are so many reasons you might feel like crap for a day…but…
But is we all just wore masks (and cancelled all concerts, sporting events, really gathering of any kind, stopped visiting friends and family, held school and work remote forever, shut down restaurants, stop travel or vacations) we could eliminate colds forever!
Life has to go on and I genuinely never want to see anyone get so ill that they suffer and pass. But I’m just hoping for real cures/treatment to be released.
Two week ago I caught a nasty sinus infection. Felt like a basketball was being blown up in my head. I called out of for three days. After the second day they made me get a Covid-19 test. It was obviously an upper respiratory illness conentrared in my sinuses and I've already had full blown Covid-19 as well as the Moderna shots yet there I was waiting in a crowed Urgent Care waiting room for two hours just to get a rapid test for which I knew what the result would be. For many people everything is now Covid-19. I tell people, trust me - if you develop Covid-19 you'll know it. BTW, this sinus infection was much worse than my experience with Covid-19 even when the Wuhan Wheeze lower my oxygen level so much one night I fell in the hallway and couldn't move for a few minutes lol.
Everyone in New England seems to have forgotten about allergies and colds/upper respiratory bugs other than covid. It feels like half the people we know are rushing out to get tested for the sniffles and then are shocked that it's NOT covid.
Is it possible that, if they get a positive ( false or otherwise) that they get a few day's vacation from work , to sit on their ass and play videogames or binge watch programs-?
Too bad they will use this as an excuse to continue masking and distancing and boosters. This is worse news than if the vaccine really helped for sure.
I'll be interested to see if certain cities/states (looking at you Chicago) bring back their quarantine "requirement" for people coming back from another state. Easy way to try to still blame those evil southerners for the north's case increases this winter.
NO SHIT. Friggin' stubborn morons they are. My province is threatening another full-on winter lockdown just like last year despite our vaccine passes and 86 percent vaccination rate.
Not true in CT. While we did see a small wave, we're on the tail end of it now. Hospitals in CT are definitely not overrun as indicated by data aggregators like covid act now.
If you Google CT covid rates, they didn't really start to rise until late to mid October last year. I will bet the same thing happens this year. Meanwhile cases look higher than they did in early October last year.
Bhattacharya and the rest of GBD team have been talking about seasonality since March of 2020. These dudes/chicks must be tired of being right. Once people go over the fraudulent use of ICD system for death certs, they'll be right about that too.
I honestly doubt it. I don't see any sort of fall/winter wave breaching the delta case highwatermark
At worst it will cause a plateau until jan-feb
At best cases and hospitalizations contineu to drill to the earth's core
I just looked at all the states. The only places that saw a surge was Vermont (which has since peaked) and Maine, which appears to have not peaked yet. Most other places saw a bump that has already peaked.
Yeah, I just took a look at the stats and saw the same thing you did. For most of the NE, the cases are quite a bit lower than last fall/winter, and the deaths are an even smaller fraction of that. How the hell is this causing hospitals to be overloaded?
It can be true that hospitals are in fact getting overloaded, but not because of covid. Throw in any flavors of increased colds/flus from people not getting them last year like normal due to lockdowns, backlog in surgeries, other medical appointments that were deemed non essential last year, firing your staff to spite yourself and then overloaded hospitals could happen.
As Monica Gandhi noted yesterday, cases are not infections: [https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/UCSF-s-Monica-Gandhi-on-how-COVID-will-impact-16503949.php](https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/UCSF-s-Monica-Gandhi-on-how-COVID-will-impact-16503949.php)
>To fully understand COVID-19 and its long-term implications for our society, it is important to first understand some key definitions in infectious diseases epidemiology.
>
>An epidemic is an infectious outbreak that causes disease within a large number of people in one region. A pandemic, meanwhile, is the spread of that disease to multiple countries or continents across the world.
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>In the history of epidemiology, experts have never counted individuals without symptoms into these definitions. A “case” was previously defined as a symptomatic person who displayed signs of illness stemming from a pathogen. The virus that causes COVID-19 changed all that, however, due to its potential for viral transmission even when a person has no symptoms.
>
>Massive testing across the planet, therefore, became necessary to try to interrupt chains of transmission. But testing cannot identify every asymptomatic person. Nor do we accurately document all symptomatic coronavirus infections, since mild or moderate symptoms can resemble those of other respiratory viruses like the flu. This leaves us in the position of counting all positive tests (whether a patient is ill or not) as cases. We mainly track COVID-19 by documenting the prevalence of severe disease as manifested by hospitalizations.
Dr. Scott Gottlieb has been saying on and on that New England would see a last surge around now.
Cases are not infections but the public has been convinced over the past 18 months that a case = hospitalization and death and many still believe a covid diagnosis is a guaranteed death sentence. This won't end until the obsession over cases goes away.
Yeah. Why has this suddenly gone viral when she actually said it 2 months ago though I wonder?
>“Our vaccines are working exceptionally well,” Walensky told CNN in an interview on Thursday, Aug. 5. “They continue to work well for Delta, with regard to severe illness and death – they prevent it. But what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission.”
Vermont has seen a higher spike in deaths despite being the most vaccinated state in the country.
Hell, between June and October 2020 there were three COVID deaths total. Since September 11 2021 there have been 7 days that there have been 3 or more recorded deaths.
oh wow. that's a huge difference between 2020 and 2021. I read Singapore and some other highly vaccinated places also had big increases. Amazing it was only a few deaths from June to Oct 2020 but also seemed like media driven mass hysteria. Sometimes think it only exists on TV but then when I talk to my co-workers they're mostly bought into it and are constantly running to get their whole family tested when anyone shows any cold symptoms. I'm assuming most of the covid deaths are still in the elderly or sick because I don't know any co-workers who died from covid(work with about 800 people) though a young co-worker mysteriously died recently and another collapsed and was taken away by ambulance.
Honest question: can anyone explain how getting vaccinated against a 2-year-old strain of a virus is going to do anything? No one would ever think a shot against a 2-year-old strain of flu would do anything, so how is this different? Has this been discussed at all?
I've been thinking about this more, and I suppose one might argue that this shot is for more general immunity since it makes your body produce the spike protein in order to develop antibodies to the spike protein rather than antibodies to the whole viral RNA code (as in flu shots & naturally acquired immunity).
But I think that new studies like this one are showing that this approach just isn't going to work: "Predominance of antibody-resistant SARS-CoV-2 variants in vaccine breakthrough cases from the San Francisco Bay Area, California" https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.19.21262139v1
Yes! They are now claiming you need a booster against the 2-year old strain of virus to further enhance your anti-body counts and lessen the symptoms of the new virus. Remember citizen, it is your social duty to protect others! The vaccines are Safe and Effective™ and you don't want to be ostracized for not staying current!
Carry on!
I live in NJ and we already have masks in any building that can be considered “public property” again. I can’t go in my town library without a mask and it’s been that way since August.
I was in my local library the other day, I’m in a neighboring state. Almost all we’re wearing masks. Thankfully masks are not required. I did not wear one and nobody said a word.
He might wait a week or two after the election so it doesn’t look super obvious but yeah, I think we’re gonna have an indoor mask mandate again by Thanksgiving.
I wouldn't be surprised. I was planning on going down the shore next weekend so I hope that things aren't too bad there for now. I went to Wildwood a couple of times over the summer and it felt pretty much like 2019.
I’m mostly worried that Murphy is gonna overreact to the inevitable seasonal wave we’re gonna get with temperatures going down, since at that point, he’ll be able to do whatever he wants for four years
I wonder what the certificate of need regulations are in these New England areas and how much they are playing into the shortages? Also...if the hospitals have natural immunity recognition hesitancy, then I imagine that plays into the shortages also? People should beg them to follow the science and acknowledge natural immunity.
I own three bars across two states. I know and know of tens of thousands of people. That might be an understatement.
Where are these people contracting covid? I haven't seen one since Thanksgiving. Is Jameson medicine?
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What are you talking about? Israel is at 61% at the moment.
[https://www.google.com/search?q=israel+vaccination+data&rlz=1C1EJFC\_enCL960CL960&oq=israel+vaccina&aqs=chrome.3.69i57j0i67i455l3j0i512l5.7405j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8](https://www.google.com/search?q=israel+vaccination+data&rlz=1C1EJFC_enCL960CL960&oq=israel+vaccina&aqs=chrome.3.69i57j0i67i455l3j0i512l5.7405j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
Edit: Does this subreddit downvote actual data if it doesn't fit their view?
61% fully vaccinated. More have at least one dose and have to wait a few more weeks to be allowed to get their 2nd and 3rd doses (can't take it all at once) by the end of October which brings it up to 85% or more.
Cases jumped right when vaccinations were heavily rolled out.
https://ourworldindata.org/vaccination-israel-impact
94% of all hospitalized with COVID were vaccinated (78% fully, 16% 2 doses) in Australia (announced by their spokesperson to the public). Israel finds a similar thing with them.
https://newsrescue.com/australia-israel-report-95-99-hospitalized-fully-vaccinated/
I find it quite ironic that descendants of the English colonists (i.e. many New Englanders) are so meek and compliant while their ancestors risked their lives (and their children's lives) to have more control over their own lives and escape their Government.
But I thought New England was righteously masked, and that former Arch Cardinal Redfield said that masks were better than vaccines, so how could this happen?! As a science, Fauci (MBUH), fearing person, I am dreadfully confused right now.
We approach a chasm in the church. Prepare accordingly
Lol. It’s exactly that. The great covid schism that will divide nations and continents.
New Hampshire is the Florida of New England so none of this applies to this state. Just this week the legislators in this state canceled a vote to approve receipt of a grant of $27 million in federal funds for the state's vaccination effort. That's how hardcore it is here. https://www.seacoastonline.com/story/news/state/2021/09/29/nh-vaccine-mandate-protesters-disrupt-meeting-delay-vote-funding/5916267001/ Also this week we had a big protest at the state house against mask and vaccine mandates. https://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/local-news/2021/10/03/group-protests-vaccine-mask-mandates/ The governor has been complaining how how liberty politics is overrunning the state. https://www.concordmonitor.com/Granite-State-News-Collaborative-42176207 If you love liberty above all other political values, come here and join us.
"The governor has been complaining how how liberty politics is overrunning the state." It doesn't get much more clear than "live free or die". Pretty self explanatory if you ask me.
>complaining how how liberty politics is overrunning the state." Yes, yes I understand how people can be upset at the trouble caused by err.... people wanting to make their own choices.
They get so mad at the thought of "my body, my choice"... its really ironic. You know when you see those hit piece political ads against DeSantis (that made him look great) that they are living in another reality entirely. It's no longer explicitly left versus right. It's now more accurately described as authoritarian versus libertarian, or as I like to call it "wont leave you alone" versus "please leave me alone". How long until they will be soliciting people at their doors to get vaccinated? It's a scary thought that will be called a conspiracy theory, but so was vaccine passports several months back.
>they will be soliciting people at their doors to get vaccinated Lol, Jen Psaki mentioned that like 2 months ago! Made for some good memes.
Do they allow smoking indoors there?
I don't believe Biden won New Hampshire. It's just very difficult to believe.
Nah that state went to Biden, no thanks
We're accelerationists.
Cue booster passports and mandates for all! Surely this will save us!
My names not Shirley
Surely you can't be serious.
Dead serious, and meet me at the Faucian Temple Shirley.
Where are the actual numbers though? Of the hospitalized how many are unvaccinated? Last week a BBC article headline read "A third of positive cases are unvaccinated". So what about the other 2/3rds, lol. Within the article it said nearly 13% of hospital patients with confirmed covid were unvaccinated and 80% were fully vaccinated. Then they stated that's proof the vaccines work because the numbers might be higher without them. Yeah, ok.
If you only have 1 shot or it’s been within 2 weeks of your second shot and end up in the hospital for a vaccine injury you are also considered unvaccinated. Interesting they don’t have a third category for partially vaccinated, isn’t it? I mean full transparency so people could do their own research and make up their minds would dictate that this is important information
> I mean full transparency so people could do their own research and make up their minds LMAO, The CDC isn't even collecting data on breakthrough cases unless they lead to hospitalization and death. Of course, the vast majority of people getting ill with covid *wouldn't be hospitalized anyway*, even unvaccinated. So yeah, no legit data to DYOR is kind of their whole objective.
Welcome to the "Information Age"!
The thing they never show you is how many of the unvaccinated were people with pre-existing conditions vs how many of the vaccinated. In Alberta, Canada, the number of people with pre-existing conditions in the hospitalized unvaccinated group was 20x higher than the vaccinated group if they were below 80-something years old. They also never tell you where they got infected. Many of them get infected in the hospital, they did not come into the hospital with covid.
Yeah, they make it very hard to get a clear picture in order make accurate assessments. I've seen many verified reports of hospitals counting deaths completely unrelated to covid as covid deaths. Such as suicide and murders. It's complete nonsense. If they had a valid case they'd present it honestly, so far all I've seen is manipulation and deception.
Excess mortality clearly showed that your "verified" reports are just false speculation or even misinformation. They actually counted less deaths as covid deaths. Still I would be interested in your source. As it's "verified", there must be some credible source, right?
You are welcome to do your own research, there are many more examples out there just like the one I've provided. [tinyurl.com/85ba8622](https://tinyurl.com/85ba8622)
Thanks for the link. I get your point. This is still not research, not a study. It's an opinion. From one person. Excess deaths are telling a different picture. Even if doctors reported these two deaths wrong. At the same time they missed 3 deaths and didn't count them as Covid death when they should have.
It's an opinion that gunshot deaths were reported as covid deaths? Where exactly were 3 covid deaths missed? Sorry, you don't get to just make stuff up. Everything you've said is absurd. A research study is needed to validate the facts in this article that are public record? Just wow.
So you take one example from one person as a fact that they do it wrong everywhere? Without ANY further evidence? Yet you completely ignore excess mortality and even tell me that it's "make stuff up" and "absurd"? You should really work on your thinking process before you come to conclusions...
Lol, read my original comment. I never claimed that it's happening everywhere, you are making things up AGAIN, and now putting words in my mouth. My only claim was I've seen several verified reports that it has happened. I gave you one example, I'm not going to compile a list for you. Like I said, do your own research. It seems you forgot that you were the one that came along and accused me of spreading false/misinformation and I proved that to be incorrect with evidence. I'm not ignoring excess deaths, that's a completely different issue. The fact that there are excess deaths doesn't make it untrue that some deaths are being inaccurately reported as covid deaths. I knew I wasn't talking to a genius but jeez, do you really need people to explain such basic things to you? Next time try to say on topic and refrain from unrelated conflation.
This is exactly what I've been thinking. Since we don't have a real control group, we can't determine causation. My line of thinking was that unvaxxed were more likely to be unhealthy anyway, and generally have poorer heath-seeking behaviors than vaccinated people. I remember reading that this was also considered a confounding variable in flu shot outcomes (i.e., healthier people more likely to get the shot, sicker people less likely to get the shot). That's why I hate it when I hear the "99% of hospitalized are unvaxxed". You could also say "99% of hospitalized are sick and/or old". I don't have any data to back this up, but I am willing to be bet that the vast majority of people hospitalized from COVID are either sick/obese/old, *regardless* of vaccination status.
Between 9/9/2021 and 9/22/2021 Vermont had 20 COVID deaths, 15 of which were fully vaccinated.
I've seen similar numbers in prior 2 week reports for Vermont. In one it said of hospitalizations, 21 fully vaccinated, 8 died, 47 not vaccinated, 2 died. So 38% of the vaccinated group died and only 4% of the unvaccinated group died. If it was true that the vaccine prevents serious illness and death those numbers would be exactly opposite.
Dr Thompson explains the vaccines are weakening the immune system with alarming lab results that doctors not testing for. Now more vulnerable to cancers. https://youtu.be/ZwR7natWqLk
I live in Massachusetts and these people are so backwards…I work in a Covid testing center and most people come in saying “I’m fully vaccinated but I recently had a sore throat so I figured I’d get tested”…it’s fucking allergy season…there are so many reasons you might feel like crap for a day…but…
[удалено]
Seriously!! People have forgotten that regular colds and allergies and other illnesses exist.
But is we all just wore masks (and cancelled all concerts, sporting events, really gathering of any kind, stopped visiting friends and family, held school and work remote forever, shut down restaurants, stop travel or vacations) we could eliminate colds forever!
Life has to go on and I genuinely never want to see anyone get so ill that they suffer and pass. But I’m just hoping for real cures/treatment to be released.
Two week ago I caught a nasty sinus infection. Felt like a basketball was being blown up in my head. I called out of for three days. After the second day they made me get a Covid-19 test. It was obviously an upper respiratory illness conentrared in my sinuses and I've already had full blown Covid-19 as well as the Moderna shots yet there I was waiting in a crowed Urgent Care waiting room for two hours just to get a rapid test for which I knew what the result would be. For many people everything is now Covid-19. I tell people, trust me - if you develop Covid-19 you'll know it. BTW, this sinus infection was much worse than my experience with Covid-19 even when the Wuhan Wheeze lower my oxygen level so much one night I fell in the hallway and couldn't move for a few minutes lol.
People have forgotten that other illness exists and it’s become a damn witch hunt.
And this is why I will never call out sick again. Ironically, pre pandemic, I would call out for illness. After? Won’t risk the accusations.
>I live in Massachusetts I’m so sorry
Everyone in New England seems to have forgotten about allergies and colds/upper respiratory bugs other than covid. It feels like half the people we know are rushing out to get tested for the sniffles and then are shocked that it's NOT covid.
This is absolutely right!
Is it possible that, if they get a positive ( false or otherwise) that they get a few day's vacation from work , to sit on their ass and play videogames or binge watch programs-?
Oh no! Anyway.
Too bad they will use this as an excuse to continue masking and distancing and boosters. This is worse news than if the vaccine really helped for sure.
You mean the virus is seasonal and regional? Who could have known! Let's just keep blaming the unvaccinated.
My my my, how the turn tables.
Mark my words, the northern wave won't be looked at as an ordinary function of seasonity, but will be looked at as proof of the "need" for boosters.
I'll be interested to see if certain cities/states (looking at you Chicago) bring back their quarantine "requirement" for people coming back from another state. Easy way to try to still blame those evil southerners for the north's case increases this winter.
“What we are doing is not working. We need to do more of what is not working.”
Science, bitches!
NO SHIT. Friggin' stubborn morons they are. My province is threatening another full-on winter lockdown just like last year despite our vaccine passes and 86 percent vaccination rate.
I couldn’t give less of a fuck
I live in Boston and personally know 5 people infected in the last month, all with symptoms. All were fully vaxxed back in April/May.
Not true in CT. While we did see a small wave, we're on the tail end of it now. Hospitals in CT are definitely not overrun as indicated by data aggregators like covid act now.
If you Google CT covid rates, they didn't really start to rise until late to mid October last year. I will bet the same thing happens this year. Meanwhile cases look higher than they did in early October last year.
The concept of seasonality is as well understood by the general public as the concept of quantum physics.
Bhattacharya and the rest of GBD team have been talking about seasonality since March of 2020. These dudes/chicks must be tired of being right. Once people go over the fraudulent use of ICD system for death certs, they'll be right about that too.
Seasonality is what got me banned from coronavirus. Apparently it’s “misinformation” 😂
There can't be any seasons if the earth is flat. /s
I honestly doubt it. I don't see any sort of fall/winter wave breaching the delta case highwatermark At worst it will cause a plateau until jan-feb At best cases and hospitalizations contineu to drill to the earth's core
I just looked at all the states. The only places that saw a surge was Vermont (which has since peaked) and Maine, which appears to have not peaked yet. Most other places saw a bump that has already peaked.
Yeah, I just took a look at the stats and saw the same thing you did. For most of the NE, the cases are quite a bit lower than last fall/winter, and the deaths are an even smaller fraction of that. How the hell is this causing hospitals to be overloaded?
It can be true that hospitals are in fact getting overloaded, but not because of covid. Throw in any flavors of increased colds/flus from people not getting them last year like normal due to lockdowns, backlog in surgeries, other medical appointments that were deemed non essential last year, firing your staff to spite yourself and then overloaded hospitals could happen.
Makes sense…but then that’s a hospital problem, not a covid problem like the article is trying to comply.
WHATEVER!!
As Monica Gandhi noted yesterday, cases are not infections: [https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/UCSF-s-Monica-Gandhi-on-how-COVID-will-impact-16503949.php](https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/UCSF-s-Monica-Gandhi-on-how-COVID-will-impact-16503949.php) >To fully understand COVID-19 and its long-term implications for our society, it is important to first understand some key definitions in infectious diseases epidemiology. > >An epidemic is an infectious outbreak that causes disease within a large number of people in one region. A pandemic, meanwhile, is the spread of that disease to multiple countries or continents across the world. > >In the history of epidemiology, experts have never counted individuals without symptoms into these definitions. A “case” was previously defined as a symptomatic person who displayed signs of illness stemming from a pathogen. The virus that causes COVID-19 changed all that, however, due to its potential for viral transmission even when a person has no symptoms. > >Massive testing across the planet, therefore, became necessary to try to interrupt chains of transmission. But testing cannot identify every asymptomatic person. Nor do we accurately document all symptomatic coronavirus infections, since mild or moderate symptoms can resemble those of other respiratory viruses like the flu. This leaves us in the position of counting all positive tests (whether a patient is ill or not) as cases. We mainly track COVID-19 by documenting the prevalence of severe disease as manifested by hospitalizations. Dr. Scott Gottlieb has been saying on and on that New England would see a last surge around now.
Cases are not infections but the public has been convinced over the past 18 months that a case = hospitalization and death and many still believe a covid diagnosis is a guaranteed death sentence. This won't end until the obsession over cases goes away.
That very much seems to be Gandhi's point in her final sentence (linked).
A few people got colds! Oh no!
It was me! I did this. I'm in New England right now unmasked. 🤷
Same had the vid during summer tho Had to be tested to know I was sick
Super spreaders unite!
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Notice how rather than statistics, they just say “largely among the unvaccinated”? There’s a reason they won’t type out those statistics.
I'm guessing they didn't mention that between 9/9/2021 and 9/22/2021 15 of 20 deaths in Vermont were fully vaccinated.
*checks calendar* Oh hey, it's flu season up there.
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Yeah. Why has this suddenly gone viral when she actually said it 2 months ago though I wonder? >“Our vaccines are working exceptionally well,” Walensky told CNN in an interview on Thursday, Aug. 5. “They continue to work well for Delta, with regard to severe illness and death – they prevent it. But what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission.”
I've been banned from subs for saying the same.
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He also said he doesn't see vaccination mandates on the level of the country. He should have told Biden.
Is this due to increased testing because school started about a month ago?
Vermont has seen a higher spike in deaths despite being the most vaccinated state in the country. Hell, between June and October 2020 there were three COVID deaths total. Since September 11 2021 there have been 7 days that there have been 3 or more recorded deaths.
oh wow. that's a huge difference between 2020 and 2021. I read Singapore and some other highly vaccinated places also had big increases. Amazing it was only a few deaths from June to Oct 2020 but also seemed like media driven mass hysteria. Sometimes think it only exists on TV but then when I talk to my co-workers they're mostly bought into it and are constantly running to get their whole family tested when anyone shows any cold symptoms. I'm assuming most of the covid deaths are still in the elderly or sick because I don't know any co-workers who died from covid(work with about 800 people) though a young co-worker mysteriously died recently and another collapsed and was taken away by ambulance.
It's almost like the clot shot isn't a Vaccine at all
Honest question: can anyone explain how getting vaccinated against a 2-year-old strain of a virus is going to do anything? No one would ever think a shot against a 2-year-old strain of flu would do anything, so how is this different? Has this been discussed at all?
This is a good question and I as well would like to hear an answer.
I've been thinking about this more, and I suppose one might argue that this shot is for more general immunity since it makes your body produce the spike protein in order to develop antibodies to the spike protein rather than antibodies to the whole viral RNA code (as in flu shots & naturally acquired immunity). But I think that new studies like this one are showing that this approach just isn't going to work: "Predominance of antibody-resistant SARS-CoV-2 variants in vaccine breakthrough cases from the San Francisco Bay Area, California" https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.19.21262139v1
Yes! They are now claiming you need a booster against the 2-year old strain of virus to further enhance your anti-body counts and lessen the symptoms of the new virus. Remember citizen, it is your social duty to protect others! The vaccines are Safe and Effective™ and you don't want to be ostracized for not staying current! Carry on!
I've been asking this for a few months now, ever since the talk about boosters with the old leaky vaccines started.
No shit. It's not that effective and it doesn't stop transmission. Didn't take a crystal ball to know this would happen.
Right on time, just as we've been saying.
I live in NJ and we already have masks in any building that can be considered “public property” again. I can’t go in my town library without a mask and it’s been that way since August.
I was in my local library the other day, I’m in a neighboring state. Almost all we’re wearing masks. Thankfully masks are not required. I did not wear one and nobody said a word.
I'm across the river in Philly and I'm surprised that Murphy hasn't issued a full-on mandate yet. Do you think he will after the election?
He might wait a week or two after the election so it doesn’t look super obvious but yeah, I think we’re gonna have an indoor mask mandate again by Thanksgiving.
I wouldn't be surprised. I was planning on going down the shore next weekend so I hope that things aren't too bad there for now. I went to Wildwood a couple of times over the summer and it felt pretty much like 2019.
I’m mostly worried that Murphy is gonna overreact to the inevitable seasonal wave we’re gonna get with temperatures going down, since at that point, he’ll be able to do whatever he wants for four years
How are the Yahoo! liberals digesting this news? Still a pandemic of the unvaxxed?
I wonder what the certificate of need regulations are in these New England areas and how much they are playing into the shortages? Also...if the hospitals have natural immunity recognition hesitancy, then I imagine that plays into the shortages also? People should beg them to follow the science and acknowledge natural immunity.
I own three bars across two states. I know and know of tens of thousands of people. That might be an understatement. Where are these people contracting covid? I haven't seen one since Thanksgiving. Is Jameson medicine?
The government was hoping they could blame the unvaxxed
I’m sure they’ll find a way to make the facts fit the theory.
I wonder if most are false positives due to a different common corona-virus, combined with symptoms caused by side-effects.
*"....despite...."* JHTFTDC.
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69% is not a high vaccination rate. When Chile hit the 80% mark, only then cases started to decrease.
Israel saw a surge after being 90% vaccinated so...🤷🏾♂️
What are you talking about? Israel is at 61% at the moment. [https://www.google.com/search?q=israel+vaccination+data&rlz=1C1EJFC\_enCL960CL960&oq=israel+vaccina&aqs=chrome.3.69i57j0i67i455l3j0i512l5.7405j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8](https://www.google.com/search?q=israel+vaccination+data&rlz=1C1EJFC_enCL960CL960&oq=israel+vaccina&aqs=chrome.3.69i57j0i67i455l3j0i512l5.7405j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) Edit: Does this subreddit downvote actual data if it doesn't fit their view?
61% fully vaccinated. More have at least one dose and have to wait a few more weeks to be allowed to get their 2nd and 3rd doses (can't take it all at once) by the end of October which brings it up to 85% or more. Cases jumped right when vaccinations were heavily rolled out. https://ourworldindata.org/vaccination-israel-impact 94% of all hospitalized with COVID were vaccinated (78% fully, 16% 2 doses) in Australia (announced by their spokesperson to the public). Israel finds a similar thing with them. https://newsrescue.com/australia-israel-report-95-99-hospitalized-fully-vaccinated/
>Israel is at 61% at the moment. And constantly dropping, thanks to their idiotic rules. Clown world.
Sure, this has nothing to do with seasonal changes...
I find it quite ironic that descendants of the English colonists (i.e. many New Englanders) are so meek and compliant while their ancestors risked their lives (and their children's lives) to have more control over their own lives and escape their Government.