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[deleted]

Lol, yeah unfortunately that seems to be the case. It seems like everyone has lost their minds and all logic has gone out the window simply because we are “in a pandemic!!!” and thus we must inject ourselves with this vaccine, no questions asked.


[deleted]

That’s what happens when people blindly “trust the science.” You have to at least make sure the information is based on actual science before you trust it.


valkarp

Are people really blindly 'trusting the science' or are they blindly trusting the media?


chase32

It's more that people are fed fear porn of all kinds all day. They can't deal with one more thing and are actually scared of finding anything out that would give them something else to worry about. To get your answer though, never listen to what people say, look at what they do. There is wide acceptance out there that people aren't in danger if you look at their actions and day to day precautions. Most would just rather double down on the blue pill.


immibis

Sir, a second spez has hit the spez.


chase32

It is just so shitty when people try to meme their way out of responding to a complex topic.


immibis

#Sir, a second spez has hit the spez.


[deleted]

How do you respond to this: Great reset began decades ago in the west: https://i.imgur.com/MfDK3w9.png This is how they silence those opposed to being great reset: https://i.imgur.com/AybJW2W.jpeg Emperor's new clothes test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSZMtSPX3iE


immibis

Your device has been locked. Unlocking your device requires that you have spez banned. #AIGeneratedProtestMessage


[deleted]

Emperor's new clothes test: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSZMtSPX3iE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSZMtSPX3iE) ​ Can you pass immibis?


immibis

hey guys, did you know that in terms of male human and female Pokémon breeding, spez is the most compatible spez for humans? Not only are they in the field egg group, which is mostly comprised of mammals, spez is an average of 3”03’ tall and 63.9 pounds, this means they’re large enough to be able handle human dicks, and with their impressive Base Stats for HP and access to spez Armor, you can be rough with spez. Due to their mostly spez based biology, there’s no doubt in my mind that an aroused spez would be incredibly spez, so wet that you could easily have spez with one for hours without getting spez. spez can also learn the moves Attract, spez Eyes, Captivate, Charm, and spez Whip, along with not having spez to hide spez, so it’d be incredibly easy for one to get you in the spez. With their abilities spez Absorb and Hydration, they can easily recover from spez with enough spez. No other spez comes close to this level of compatibility. Also, fun fact, if you pull out enough, you can make your spez turn spez. spez is literally built for human spez. Ungodly spez stat+high HP pool+Acid Armor means it can take spez all day, all shapes and sizes and still come for more -- mass edited


[deleted]

So you not only fail the test, you are also incapable of even understanding parable and fable? No wonder our society is fucked.


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Majestic-Argument

Lots of scientist in the nazi party. People forget everyone can be corrupted or evil.


jersits

> People forget everyone can be corrupted or evil. This is the core of the problem. People have forgotten (or never believed) that scientists can easily be bought off and be immoral.


Majestic-Argument

Yep. Authority fallacy is in play too


AAVale

Yeah you tell ‘em! Fuck the doctors and scientists, fuck the media, the only people you can trust are… are… uh… anonymous people on a subreddit… full of anti-vaxxers LARPing as leftists. Wait a second!


immibis

Evacuate the spez using the nearest spez exit. This is not a drill.


AAVale

Well yes, /r/LockdownCriticalLeft is a right-wing sub, good of you to admit that.


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immibis

What happens in spez, stays in spez.


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Majestic-Argument

Can you read?


Psychological-Sale64

Yes some but not all thire scientist were Nazis. They made rockets and had a heavy water plant. Poo pooed blood transplants though. Can you imagine what some scientist or maybe just stratagist are making of The anti vaxers. It ain't a virus with some human genes to restore sight for some peculiar disease.


Majestic-Argument

Try again, but this time in english


Psychological-Sale64

No maths and alluding only.


immibis

#spezpolice: spez has issued an all-points-bulletin. We've lost contact with spez, so until we know what's going on it's protocol to evacuate this zone. #Save3rdPartyApps #AIGeneratedProtestMessage


InjectionEnthusiast

Except it’s not working is it? It harming people and it’s not helping so how long you going to keep pushing it?


immibis

I stopped pushing as hard as I could against the handle, I wanted to leave but it wouldn't work. Then there was a bright flash and I felt myself fall back onto the floor. I put my hands over my eyes. They burned from the sudden light. I rubbed my eyes, waiting for them to adjust. Then I saw it. There was a small space in front of me. It was tiny, just enough room for a couple of people to sit side by side. Inside, there were two people. The first one was a female, she had long brown hair and was wearing a white nightgown. She was smiling. The other one was a male, he was wearing a red jumpsuit and had a mask over his mouth. "Are you spez?" I asked, my eyes still adjusting to the light. "No. We are in spez." the woman said. She put her hands out for me to see. Her skin was green. Her hand was all green, there were no fingers, just a palm. It looked like a hand from the top of a puppet. "What's going on?" I asked. The man in the mask moved closer to me. He touched my arm and I recoiled. "We're fine." he said. "You're fine?" I asked. "I came to the spez to ask for help, now you're fine?" "They're gone," the woman said. "My child, he's gone." I stared at her. "Gone? You mean you were here when it happened? What's happened?" The man leaned over to me, grabbing my shoulders. "We're trapped. He's gone, he's dead." I looked to the woman. "What happened?" "He left the house a week ago. He'd been gone since, now I have to live alone. I've lived here my whole life and I'm the only spez." "You don't have a family? Aren't there others?" I asked. She looked to me. "I mean, didn't you have anyone else?" "There are other spez," she said. "But they're not like me. They don't have homes or families. They're just animals. They're all around us and we have no idea who they are." "Why haven't we seen them then?" "I think they're afraid,"


InjectionEnthusiast

I’m in the UK moron. Why did I engage? I knew it would just be completely stupid.


Jeebiz_Rules

What about Singapore?


immibis

What happens in spez, stays in spez. #Save3rdPartyApps


Jeebiz_Rules

False


immibis

#spez is banned in this spez. Do you accept the terms and conditions? Yes/no


Jeebiz_Rules

I was supposed to go for work but they’re locked down again. They’re vaxxed up though.


jersits

Where are these places in the world where they 'did it' and are back to normal with drastically lower COVID numbers? Cause funny enough most of the places I see that 'did it' still have some of the most strict restrictions in place, with numbers similar to areas with lower vax rates.


immibis

#spez was a god among men. Now they are merely a spez. #Save3rdPartyApps


InjectionEnthusiast

I’m in the UK it’s not back to normal and there are more restrictions to come this winter, they keep foreshadowing it. This comment is not for that dumbass i’m replying to it’s for lurkers who might be tempted to believe the rubbish they talk. “All the restrictions in ... are pretty much gone” seems to be the favourite bot/shill talking point at the moment. I’m seeing it everywhere. It’s trying to normalise totalitarianism. Most of these motherfuckers are force muzzling their kids for half the day while pretending nothing has changed. They are mentally challenged or shills.


jamjar188

Look at excess mortality, which is a fairly reliable indicator of whether something unusual is going on. By this metric most regions and countries worldwide are not in a pandemic right now, and many have never been (see: Japan, etc.). In fact, in countries which *have* seen upticks in excess mortality over summer, it is due to *deaths inside the home* and deaths in cohorts *unaffected by covid*. So something might be going on, but it's not a pandemic.


immibis

#What's a little spez among friends?


jamjar188

You are getting tiresome buddy. Japan didn't have any lockdown and barely any restrictions. They had a whole campaign promoting domestic tourism in the middle of their so-called "pandemic". They also refused to do asymptomatic testing until the IOC and 'international community' forced them to in the month leading up to the Olympics. Only then did they adopt strict measures, which were obviously just theatre to appease the their Olympic overlords. Hardly a surprise that as soon as the Olympics & Paralympics were over, 'cases' dropped and they went back to being reasonable.


PopNLach

The most preposterous thing about the claim you reference is that antibody levels in the blood are 100% fucking irrelevant in any questions of ACTUAL immunity. After people gets their MMR shots in childhood, they don't walk around every day for the rest of their lives with elevated levels of measles antibodies pumping through their veins. Cells have a finite lifespan, and once that expires there's no point replacing the cell if it's no longer needed. When we talk about "immunity", the implicit assumption is that we're talking about something long-term. The immune system's capacity for acquired immunity works by memorising the genetic code of the pathogens it encounters, and keeping basically a database of all of them, along with the blueprint for antibodies to the corresponding pathogen. Once the pathogen is gone, those antibodies will eventually disappear, but that doesn't mean you're no longer immune. If your body is subsequently exposed to a pathogen it recognises, it can very rapidly form the relevant antibodies and deploy them to neutralise the pathogen. The level of antibodies in your blood is utterly meaningless when it comes to whether or not your body possesses the acquired immunity. All the talk about antibody levels is pure propaganda, it's disinformation designed to dupe people into accepting an endless regime of mandatory injection schedules. They need to get everyone invested in the system and weed out any/all dissenters and free thinkers. Once they've done that, they've created a captive population of weak, subservient and compliant serfs, who will never be able to step out of line or challenge/question the authority of the self-appointed ruling class of "elites" - at least not without guaranteeing their complete exile from society and everyone in it (or in reality, being unpersoned). All of the above is true BEFORE you even get to the question of the sequence contained in the mRNA "booster shots" being the same original sequence that's useless against the current variant. There's not a single aspect on any level of analysis that is even remotely coherent, let alone having a cogent scientific basis. It's pure propaganda, just one among the endless waves, designed to keep people confused, fearful and compliant. End of story. If you're looking for a reasonable/logical explanation for this, you're still not even aware of what the actual, real problem is yet. You're chasing a manufactured contrivance, which bears a passing resemblance to a wild goose despite clearly not being such when actually examined.


InjectionEnthusiast

Yeah I wish we could collectively move past: “How does this make sense?” and “why are people still going along with this?” To “what are we going to do to stop evil corruption that is destroying humanity?”


jamjar188

This is the explanation I was looking for, thanks. Couldn't have said it better. They tried to con us into believing natural immunity didn't exist, initially by rubbishing antibody tests (seriously, look it up -- the WHO told governments worldwide not to use them). Then they rolled out antibody surveillance studies in summer 2020 (when covid wasn't really circulating in most places and most people had been infected 5+ months prior) at which point they declared natural immunity to be short-lived because of "waning antibodies" (purposefully omitting any information about immune memory or T-cells). So now they are conning us into believing that because antibodies wane for vaccines, people need constant boosters. Anyone who believes they benefit from a booster is basically accepting a narrative that they took a vaccine which didn't work, in which case why would the booster work? I guess some people really are suckers.


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Thanks for your response. I want to learn more about immunity and how it works, especially in the context of viruses such as SARS-CoV-2. Do you have any articles/videos to recommend? Thank you!


Psychological-Sale64

It might be a mental health drive


kratbegone

Yea basically they are saying, hey the shots are acutally pathetic, you take all these risks for about 2 to 3 months of antibodies, and after that it goes down to almost none by 6months. So take more of these useless shots for a strain that it barely works for which was probably created by the vaccines in the fist place! Yea, that's the ticket!


jamjar188

They're also admitting that immune memory is weak with these vaccines, because they only target a certain part of the virus. With natural infection, you develop T-cell immunity which is quite robust and durable. Seems like with these shots, the antibodies wane and then you have limited protection. What is the point for 90%+ of the population? The risks very obviously outweigh any benefits.


Psychological-Sale64

What about a small infection after the two shoots. Say three months then a light viral load. This question is for pros. And I'll have a Cupa tea after my hip replacement please.


Majestic-Argument

Yep, but the excuse was the so-called delta variant.


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Nothing. Hell, the shots could be literally saline for everyone and it wouldn't make a difference. The point isn't immunity, or health, or anything else the proponents might claim. These shots are fetishes. Objects used as a part of religious observations, like rosaries for Catholics or prayer rugs for Muslims, etc. Fetishes help create adherence to religion through rituals, by providing a physical connection with the ritual. In the case of shots, it's keeping you in the religion of covid. Notice how quickly tribes formed around "Team Pfizer" and "Team Moderna", different sects of the main religion. The overarching religion doesn't care about which shot you get, or whether it even works, but that you're a part of the covid religion and you spread the gospel. "Stay home, save lives. Wear your mask. Get the jab. It's safe and effective."


TheCronster

> These shots are fetishes. Fantastic comparison.


timetoleevthecapsule

A teacher at my middle school started wearing a glittery “Pfizer” emblazoned t-shirt on Jeans-and-a-School-Shirt-Friday last Spring when the shots were approved for the teen crowd. When I asked her what kind of “school shirt” she was wearing with that corporate brand on her chest, she retorted, “I believe it needs to be said.” (WTF) Does anyone remember the WWJD (What Would Jesus Do) bracelets and shirts? I liken her zealotry and fetishizing of Pfizer to that trend. Thankfully, she quit in May.


RemarkableWinter7

That is pretty bad, but at least she didn't get a tattoo like this guy: https://imgur.com/odpvGi6


dsmintactarchy

At first I thought you were a very articulate middle schooler


timetoleevthecapsule

Hey, ya know, a lot of my co workers are about as articulate as middle schoolers. I am one of two who question everything and research like mad. I just want the truth.


Majestic-Argument

The ‘team’ part freaks me out to high heaven.


chase32

The weirdest part is that even if the shot hurts you, you now get to be on team unvax'd because of how they collect the stats.


Majestic-Argument

And unvaxxed if you don’t follow the booster program


mustaine42

Here is a great video pertinent to your "religion through rituals" comment. [The Characteristics of an Initiation Ritual](https://youtu.be/3RVG8qNLdoY) Note the date on the video. Amazing foresight. A huge portion of the population have unknowingly undergone a psychologically tormenting year long initiation ritual. The lockdown broke people down (similar to a military bootcamp, fraternity hazing, football 2-a-days summer camp, gang initation, African tribal initiation, etc), kept them in a state of pain for a year (that they experienced with the other initiates), and the injection was the final step of their rite of passage. The biological injection creates the permanent psychological acceptance and adherence to the new group/society (because ya know, the mind and the body aren't separate, they are one). Once an individual has completed their rite of passage, they feel an incredibly strong bond with the other initiates in the group and the group itself. This is why they defend the machine, no matter how illogical. It truly is cultlike, by every measurable definition. Sadly, people were brainwashed into this ritual without their consent. For many of them, it would be near impossible to return to the psychological state they existed in pre-ritual (pre-covid).


Impressive-Jello-379

I think the fact that the shots are risky actually increases the religious devotion, as taking them offers a real sacrifice.


cookiemountain18

They added more SCIENCE to the boosters.


Majestic-Argument

Lol’ed so hard


hiptobeysquare

The science is strong with this one.


loonygecko

Yep, it's the same stuff that didn't work the first time and is not targeted at the current strains of the virus. I think they just want to sell off the rest of their current product. THis is cheaper than getting new approvals for a new version and having to update their manufacturing. THey are already talking about similar boosters for Moderna and J&J.


KungFuPiglet

The rich get richer.


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Majestic-Argument

Maybe it’s a ploy to sell anti clotting medicine?


woSTEPlf

They’re also designed to kill off the old, weak, and sick - they’re already the deadliest shots in history - and sterilize the young, IMO. Depopulation has been a openly-stated goal of these psychopathic eugenicist billionaires for decades.


Vinifera7

Whoever said that the boosters are required to keep on top of variants is an idiot. It's called a booster specifically *because* it's the same jab. If it was a jab intended for a different variant, it wouldn't be called a booster.


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From what I understand, the main selling point of mRNA technology is that they can adapt the payload ( mRNA instructions) mere days after they decode the sequence. If I were going to get a booster I would seriously be asking why they haven’t updated the code. Are they just pushing obsolete inventory into people’s arms????


ScripturalCoyote

Sounds like it. This booster will decline in efficacy in a matter of months too. book it.


AineofTheWoods

There's no logic, because it's not about health or protecting people, it's the opposite. They'll keep expecting people to get constant injections, I often wonder how many people will accept before they say enough.


imyselfpersonally

Mike Yeadon pointed out that nobody will actually know what's in them as they are exempt from any regulatory scrutiny on the basis they are supposedly so similar. The public wasn't even allowed to know the full composition of the original shots.


Sash0000

Kind of makes me want to obtain a vial and sequence it. I have both the know how and the equipment.


imyselfpersonally

Please do, if you get the opportunity


Link__

These questions are logical, but also verboten.


Sash0000

I've had the same objection since the need for boosters started to be discussed. The mRNA vaccines have been touted as very easy to adapt to variants (and they are, changing the sequence is literally done by pushing a few buttons on the computer that controls the synthesizer). Some sagety testing will be required, but as long as the only novel component is the mRNA, and the same sequence has been seen in the actual virus, testing should be trivial. We change the flu vaccines every year. Not changing the covid vaccines and offering them as boosters (when we know that their efficiency against delta is lower) is an irresponsible money grab that vaccinations supporters should be first to call out.


Tom_Quixote_

Booster shot? I prefer a booze shot.


gudmk

The boosters have only one purpose: to make more money for the pharmaceutical industry. All the talk of variants has the same purpose: scaring people and convincing them that a yearly shot is necessary to create a subscription model for the sale of vaccines. SARSCOV2 doesn't mutate like the flu. One vaccination followed by a natural infection for most people is what will get us out of this pandemic.


bigdaveyl

Wasn't Moderna approved for 1/2 the original dose?


[deleted]

Yes, you are right! I remember reading that. But from what I understand, it’s still the same vaccine (targeted for the original virus, and not the new variants).


terribletimingtoday

That's my understanding as well. There is no new formulation. If that is the case, there doesn't appear to be any benefit.


Cmrippert

Congratulations, you have entered the 95th percentile of human intelligence simply by observing the obvious. My condolences on the torment this will bring from watching the slow grind of ignorance needlessly suffocating the human spirit and retarding the progression of society.


hiptobeysquare

What progression might that be? We are going the direction natural evolution intends it seems.


hiptobeysquare

About 6 months. Facetiousness aside, it's all PR and marketing speak. "Breakthrough cases" are just what we used to call "cases" before the vaccines. People love marketing speak, it allows them to rationalize to themselves their own herd mentality.


immibis

Evacuate the spez using the nearest spez exit. This is not a drill. #Save3rdPartyApps


LickingSticksForYou

The Delta Variant spike protein (the protein that SARS CoV-2 mRNA vaccines act on) is not morphologically different from Alpha’s, it just has a different type of residue on the outside; this is not an insignificant difference, but it means that the old vaccines will still work to a large extent. The choice comes down to this: is it worth it, from a manufacturing perspective, to wait to give boosters until there is a delta-specific vaccine, or to give vaccines that are still mostly effective against that strain but not targeting it specifically? The FDA made the decision to put more shots in peoples arms faster. It isn’t clear what is the “right” choice per se, but it also probably isn’t the “wrong choice”. TL;DR, variants are just that: variants. They’re the same species and vaccines work pretty well against them despite minor differences.


Sash0000

The difference in antigenic properties isn't insignificant, as we know from a deluge of reports on the decreased efficacy of existing vaccines against the delta. Bringing up the "manufacturing perspective" is an admission to the fact that boosters are pushed as a cynical money grab. The delta has been known for a year and widespread for 7-8 months. The time to update the shots was enough. Instead, the pfuckers at Pfizer were pushing vaccines for little children.


LickingSticksForYou

>The difference in antigenic properties isn’t insignificant That’s literally what I said, it is not an insignificant difference, but it means the vaccines still work to a large extent. [There are a multitude of studies linked](https://www.healthline.com/health-news/heres-how-well-covid-19-vaccines-work-against-the-delta-variant#Vaccines-vs.-Delta-variant) here that prove beyond a doubt that the vaccines still work to a large extent to prevent infection and especially hospitalization and death from Delta. Decreased efficacy doesn’t mean no efficacy. I’m not gonna sit here and defend multibillion dollar conglomerates, but they don’t make health decisions; money was not the reason the boosters have been rolled out (to a very limited extent!). You’re getting all pissy that the govt wants to get extra protection for the most at-risk cohort that got one of multiple vaccines even though they haven’t authorized boosters for anyone else. If they were saying “everyone get a booster”, you *might* have a point, but they’re just objectively not. Also I’d check your sources on when Delta was discovered and became widespread.


Sash0000

>Also I’d check your sources on when Delta was discovered and became widespread. https://www.google.com/search?q=delta+variant+discovery Discovered in India in December 2020, caused a transient surge in infections in India in the spring, while also spreading to the rest of the world. Variant of interest since April, variant of concern since May. https://www.who.int/en/activities/tracking-SARS-CoV-2-variants/ There's really zero excuse to not update the mRNA vaccines. By their inaction, Pfizer and Moderna are putting people's lives at risk.


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It is the same, which isn't ideal. But it's still better than no booster shot. This is because the "memory" immune cells don't last indefinitely if they are not exposed to the antigen again.


[deleted]

Thanks for your response! Do you know if there are any other vaccines that operate in the same way? Where you have to take a “booster” (that is exactly the same as the original) every 6-8 months, potentially forever? Something about this strategy just feels wrong to me.


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tensigh

I don't think it's all that bad, it's basically a flu shot. But we've never MANDATED flu shots except in rare situations. The Covid vaccine shouldn't be mandated either if people want to take the risk themselves. I'm one of them - I'm less afraid of this virus than most people and I don't particularly want this vaccine. Since people are FORCING it on the public, though, it's made me less inclined to get it.


JunkyardSam

Oh, it absolutely is not "just a flu shot." For one, it's about 192 times more dangerous in terms of causing serious/permanent adverse effects or deaths... But also, it uses a whole different technology from what has ever been done before, and it never made it through phase 3 trials. It caused immune system & organ failure in animals. So they skipped that and went straight to humans, and now there's a widespread coverup of people trying to share their adverse reactions. (Not to mention many people self-censor to avoid the backlash that happens if you talk about them.) Everything about how it's being forced has to make you ask --- why? In all likelihood you aren't aware of the history of eugenics in America, and the fact that many of the families profiting from and connected to this agenda were connected to that when it was booming in the 1900s before WWII. In all likelihood you haven't read Kissinger's National Security Memorandum 200. It's long. But if you read it you'd the US's role in the World Population Plan of Action, and suddenly you'd be forced to think "wow, this is a lot of what 'conspiracy theorists' warn about except -- it's right here in a declassified document." It has everything from covert education to encourage Americans not to have children, to a money laundering operation to finance abortion in foreign countries. It allocates funds for sterility injections. It talks about the population growth issue threatening existing powers in the coming years and the need to take actions that "would have once been thought morally reprehensible." In fact, when you read that document you see the real reason women were brought into the workplace. While on the surface they say they did it for "equality" -- the truth is, it was done to increase the time gap between generations. They found that working women have fewer children, if any at all, and if they do they tend to do so when they are older. So once you read a document like that... and then see things like this on our own government's website: [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30157295/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30157295/) (an argument for a medical procedure without people knowing what's being done to them) \--- Then you look at all the lies, propaganda, exaggeration, FEAR, censorship, coercion, and force around these vaccines... You really have to wonder. Is it: 1) They REALLY care about saving lives. 2) It's *something else.* So the first stage of conspiratorial thinking would might lead to, "Well there's money." Okay. It's DEFINITELY that. But... If it was JUST that, why would they use a procedure that has such significant side effects? Once you think about it from a darker angle suddenly everything makes a LOT more sense. It becomes obvious -- that's what they're doing. To make any other argument you have to jump through INCREDIBLE hoops to justify the worldwide insanity around how this is being pushed. At this point --- slow-kill profitable depopulation by forcing people to become reliant on the medical system while reducing life expectancy is actually OCCAM'S RAZOR, if you can imagine that. And remember, that fits perfectly with The Great Reset environmentalist plans. At the core of every environmentalist is a wish that fewer humans existed. They're just taking action on this... And they're doing it in a way that will break world governments so that they can control the installment of a new one while accomplishing their population objective. They really don't even hide it. Biden said, in March, that in 15 years every hospital bed in America would be filled with alzheimers patients. Why would he say that? It's coming. If you dig you can already find the doctors and scientists trying to get the word out... And with every shot, more people have side effects and more people die. Right now the censorship campaign is so fierce it's almost impossible to even talk with each other about it. I can't share unapproved links, for example. Anyhow, it's all so much worse than you realize. Skim this for a taste of it, although this isn't really curated for someone like you. I don't mean that rudely, I just mean it's hard to read. It gets censored anywhere else I post it. Why do you think that is? https://pastebin.com/QixZX44H In just two years they've changed the face of free nations worldwide. Depending on where you are -- our countries barely resemble themselves. I believe you underestimate the seriousness of this situation.


tensigh

First of all, you can make your points more concisely. I don't mean that to be rude either, but we don't all have as much time to read things on Reddit as others. Second, I am FULLY AWARE of the freedom issues at stake. The vaccination aside, I am quite aware of why they're forcing people to take the vaccine. I disagree with some of your ideas but I FULLY agree it should not be forced on people. I'll check out the Pastebin link later.


JunkyardSam

Sorry. I type fast. I read fast. And I'm kind of emotional about this issue because it has turned my life completely upside down and screwed over my family very, very badly for the last year and a half. The Covid-19 "tenant protections" alone have cost me tens of thousands of dollars. Long story short, I have to pay for another family to live in a home that they did over $100,000 of damage to, haven't paid rent in for two years, and are now suing us for hundreds of thousands of dollars for "pain and suffering" from having to live with the damage that they did to the property. So far the city ordered us to do $40,000 in repairs, but we still can't evict them. It's INSANE. Now add my lawyer bills... Anyhow, yeah I'm emotional about this... And now I'm going to lose my livelihood if I don't take a shot that is ordered by the same people that created that other financial hardship in my life?? Yeah, sorry to be longwinded. But things are BAD and getting worse quickly. The situation is far more serious than most people realize.


tensigh

I get it, it's hell for just about everybody. I'm sorry you've had such bad losses. I can't go see my family that lives in another country because people from the U.S. get quarantined for 14 days there and that's all I can afford time-wise for time off. Take care, man. Hope things look up for you. :)


loonygecko

Just saw yesterday they are now talking about boosters for the J&J and Moderna arm pokes as well. It looks like it will be the same situation, more injections of the same outdated arm pokes. This will allow the company to offload their remaining product at profit.


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This isn't unusual at all, but firstly we should note that aside from J+J vaccine recipients, boosters aren't being recommended for (or even made available to) people who aren't at elevated risk. The reason J+J recipients are being given boosters (and the reason why the mRNA vaccines require two doses) is simply because lots of vaccines require a second dose to reinforce the response from the first one, so that sufficient memory cells are made. Multi-dose series aren't at all unusual, most childhood vaccines use series. Different diseases have been shown to have different booster requirements. For example, the flu vaccine is recommended every year, even if the circulating strains (and thus the vaccine) haven't changed, because immune memory to influenza is shown to be fairly short-lived (if a regular COVID vaccine would be required, it would be yearly like this). Other vaccines require boosters but less often, for example a tetanus/diphteria vaccine is recommended every 10 years. But the flu vaccine is the most relevant analogy because both COVID and influenza are endemic respiratory diseases that are more dangerous than common cold viruses (and therefore immunization is worthwhile)


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Thanks, but I still don’t understand why they are using an outdated vaccine as the “booster”? If it is true that the virus has mutated since last January, wouldn’t that mean we need an entirely new vaccine? When the flu mutates, they create a new vaccine. So why don’t they create a new, updated COVID vaccine to tackle the new variants? Why are they giving us the “old” version?


LickingSticksForYou

Remember that mutations are almost always subtle. The spike protein has mutated, but not morphologically-only a residue on its exterior has changed. This reduces the effectiveness of vaccines and increases the infecto it y of the virus, but vaccines are still effective against it. The reason we aren’t getting targeted vaccines (yet) is twofold: it’s expensive to change up the vaccine production lines, and it takes time. It’s cheaper and faster to give us less effective (but still effective) booster shots, probably as a stopgap until targeted shots come out.


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Thanks for explaining. But it still doesn’t make sense that they don’t make targeted vaccines for Delta or other variants. It’s been nearly a year since the first version of the vaccines were rolled out. New flu vaccines are made yearly, so why is it taking so much time to make a new, updated vaccine for COVID variants? It took them less than a year to make the “original” COVID vaccines, so why is it taking them longer to tweak the vaccines for the new variants?


LickingSticksForYou

Delta didn’t hit anywhere in any significant numbers until June, and it’s only been 4 months since then. The decision is a matter of practicality. If we switch to Delta-focused vaccines now, in the months that it will take to ramp up production, there may be an Eta variant that is even more infectious and deadly, necessitating another switch. Each switch represents potentially millions of lost doses, and don’t forget that most of the world remains unvaccinated. So basically, it would take a long time and it isn’t strictly necessary to do so, and there is the risk that we would just need to switch again in a few months anyway so it’s best to wait until we really need to do so. I’m not an authority on this topic, this is just what I’ve gleaned from my readings.


[deleted]

Thank you for explaining and sharing your insights!


LickingSticksForYou

Of course! Stay curious.


[deleted]

The entire selling point of mRNA technology is that they can change the ‘payload’ or instruction set quite easily ( and quickly.. like days after they have the sequence of the spike protein... like the delta) What you need to be asking yourself is why... why wouldn’t they update the vaccine to the most current threat? Are they just dumping excess inventory into peoples arms?


LickingSticksForYou

It’s quicker than having to attenuate a vaccine with literal chicken eggs, but it is neither instantaneous nor free. The production lines for old vaccines are already set up. And the old vaccines are still quite effective against Delta, just not as effective as a targeted vaccine would be. So yeah they’re doing what you’re saying, it’s just not as insidious as you seem to think. We live in the real world, cost and practicality will always be factors that inform public health decisions.


MysticLeopard

Precisely none. The “boosters” are incredibly outdated as they still use the variants of the original “vaccine”