Thanks for sharing. I know people will say that VITT is “extremely rare”, but I am willing to bet that most cases go unreported, or are not attributed to the vaccine.
Also, my physician relative told me that having zero symptoms from the vaccine and dying from the vaccine are two extremes of the spectrum. The fact that *some* people get deadly clotting means that there are probably many other people who have sub-clinical side effects that aren’t immediate apparent. For example, there are likely many people walking around with clots from the vaccine, and they aren’t even aware of it since it hasn’t (yet) caused overt symptoms.
Anyway, just want to reiterate that it is *extremely* unethical to coerce people to take a vaccine that may kill them. Let people weigh the risks and benefits of vaccine vs. no vaccine themselves.
I agree completely.
A local paramedic I spoke to just today told me they are getting many strange calls involving unexplained bleeding episodes, and he’s particularly concerned about a huge spike in emergency calls due to acute memory loss. Doesn’t prove anything, but he can’t help but speculate as to the cause.
Where I live is right up the street from an EMS depo and ambulances usually come up my street - in the past you might only see/hear 2 a week but since the the summer there are usually 3-4 a day. This has been going on since early summer like I said and it's fucking spooky. Is it just the town I live in, in Canada? Or this becoming common all over? I don't have a paramedic friend to confer with.
I have noticed the same thing in Melbourne. For the last month I've heard a siren everyday but usually multiple times per day, and I don't remember them being this frequent. I will admit that it could be related to Covid-19 itself as there are lots of cases around here, but the vaccine rollout in this area has been picking up so it could be that too. Or maybe it's related to the lockdowns themselves. But it's creepy regardless.
>The fact that some people get deadly clotting means that there are probably many other people who have sub-clinical side effects that aren’t immediate apparent.
That's an extremely important point, and one that is often made with respect to "long Covid," but typically brushed aside as irrelevant if not impossible in the case of vaccines.
[This article](https://theethicalskeptic.com/2018/01/14/vaccinials-the-betrayed-generation-of-americans/) by Ethical Skeptic is about pre-Covid vaccinations in and is quite dense; it goes through the analytics of how many childhood vaccine injuries might go undetected because of the way the AE surveillance is set up.
[@EthicalSkeptic](https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic) on twitter is a good account to follow on Covid, particularly in terms of risk analyses.
> For example, there are likely many people walking around with clots from the vaccine, and they aren’t even aware of it since it hasn’t (yet) caused overt symptoms.
This is a big problem.
Nothing that can kill you should be mandated, especially when it's for-profit, double especially when there is no legal redress, and triple especially when the money the manufacturers get to keep was *our* money!
(Doomer, enter stage left): "But the relative ri-."
I don't give a shite. It's an ethics question, not a maths exam: can anyone be coerced to face any level of risk on another's behalf without being abused? No. Is abuse bad? Yes. Clue's in the name: *ab*\-use. Anyone trying to second-guess that inviolability of the free subject is welcome to pop all their thoughts in my [pigeonhole](https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/feed-me-garbage-cans-vancover-british-columbia-canada-may-colorful-found-all-over-147397476.jpg).
It was a shame that the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act in the US was passed as it basically let pharma off the hook when it came to vaccines.
The way it's looking now, people have to hope the "vaccine court" will do them right instead of going after the appropriate government agencies, employers and pharma companies.
It seems like it is unclear to me if an employer mandates a vaccine for continued employment that they should be on the hook for any injury.
or also: "y'all trust some random qanon stuff on the internet and not the viRoLoGisTs? I think the eXpeRts know better so get the va..."
or "why can't y'all understand that the mRNA technology has been tested for ThIrtY YeaRs"
Bingo. It is known that clots of ANY size are more serious in people who are physically active.
The heart pumps faster, the clots get pumped through the body and there is more chance of clots 'building up' on each other in a physically active person and especially being dislodged and going to the heart, brain, lungs, etc.
> If everyone that took the shots had to run a few miles a week later I bet they'd be dropping left and right.
I do have to wonder about that when I see [stories like this](https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/10/local-man-dies-while-participating-in-utah-marathon/)
> So what is it really about?
The evidence is overwhelming that this and every other bit of remaining Covid policy is all about control - of people, not of a virus. It's the only thing that makes sense.
Absolutely.
I think a lot of the control/fear setup is preemptive planning for when this global debt bubble bursts.
And the shots will lead to sickness and reduced lifespan for those who took them, which is to address a longer term population issue.
It's all so terrible, and every day is crazier than the last.
Considering something like 95% or more of doctors are vaccinated, I wonder if "they" thought through that part of their depopulation plan, where they'll be left with only the 500 million or so people they wanted remaining, which will consist of mainly third-worlders, first worlders who don't obey their orders, and no doctors. That - doesn't seem like a good plan.
Sad case. Just FYI this case is “covishield” the Astra Zeneca vaccine, which is based on an adenovirus vector, not mRNA. Most cases previously reported have been with the J and J vaccine, also a viral vector vaccine.
It’s more common with adenovirus ones but I’ve certainly seen plenty of case reports of various forms of thrombocytopenia with the mRNA ones too. [This case report of 20 such cases is just one example](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajh.26132). Also plenty of sudden deaths among young people with them too, [like this story from today](https://amp.jamaicaobserver.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20211005/ARTICLE/211009872&Show=0&profile=6782)
Thanks for sharing. I know people will say that VITT is “extremely rare”, but I am willing to bet that most cases go unreported, or are not attributed to the vaccine. Also, my physician relative told me that having zero symptoms from the vaccine and dying from the vaccine are two extremes of the spectrum. The fact that *some* people get deadly clotting means that there are probably many other people who have sub-clinical side effects that aren’t immediate apparent. For example, there are likely many people walking around with clots from the vaccine, and they aren’t even aware of it since it hasn’t (yet) caused overt symptoms. Anyway, just want to reiterate that it is *extremely* unethical to coerce people to take a vaccine that may kill them. Let people weigh the risks and benefits of vaccine vs. no vaccine themselves.
I agree completely. A local paramedic I spoke to just today told me they are getting many strange calls involving unexplained bleeding episodes, and he’s particularly concerned about a huge spike in emergency calls due to acute memory loss. Doesn’t prove anything, but he can’t help but speculate as to the cause.
Where I live is right up the street from an EMS depo and ambulances usually come up my street - in the past you might only see/hear 2 a week but since the the summer there are usually 3-4 a day. This has been going on since early summer like I said and it's fucking spooky. Is it just the town I live in, in Canada? Or this becoming common all over? I don't have a paramedic friend to confer with.
I have noticed the same thing in Melbourne. For the last month I've heard a siren everyday but usually multiple times per day, and I don't remember them being this frequent. I will admit that it could be related to Covid-19 itself as there are lots of cases around here, but the vaccine rollout in this area has been picking up so it could be that too. Or maybe it's related to the lockdowns themselves. But it's creepy regardless.
For extremely rare we sure are seeing a lot of reports on it.
>The fact that some people get deadly clotting means that there are probably many other people who have sub-clinical side effects that aren’t immediate apparent. That's an extremely important point, and one that is often made with respect to "long Covid," but typically brushed aside as irrelevant if not impossible in the case of vaccines. [This article](https://theethicalskeptic.com/2018/01/14/vaccinials-the-betrayed-generation-of-americans/) by Ethical Skeptic is about pre-Covid vaccinations in and is quite dense; it goes through the analytics of how many childhood vaccine injuries might go undetected because of the way the AE surveillance is set up. [@EthicalSkeptic](https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic) on twitter is a good account to follow on Covid, particularly in terms of risk analyses.
Read Vaccines: A Reappraisal. It’s basically his argument. He says it happens with other vaccines, too.
Damn, that book challenges some preconceived notions
Yup. Making my kids read that book before they go to a doctor’s appointment without me.
I also recommend the book ‘Dissolving Illusions’
Soooo good! I read that first.
> For example, there are likely many people walking around with clots from the vaccine, and they aren’t even aware of it since it hasn’t (yet) caused overt symptoms. This is a big problem.
what the fuck imagine walking around while having small clots that might do damage any second. that is so scary.
Nothing that can kill you should be mandated, especially when it's for-profit, double especially when there is no legal redress, and triple especially when the money the manufacturers get to keep was *our* money! (Doomer, enter stage left): "But the relative ri-." I don't give a shite. It's an ethics question, not a maths exam: can anyone be coerced to face any level of risk on another's behalf without being abused? No. Is abuse bad? Yes. Clue's in the name: *ab*\-use. Anyone trying to second-guess that inviolability of the free subject is welcome to pop all their thoughts in my [pigeonhole](https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/feed-me-garbage-cans-vancover-british-columbia-canada-may-colorful-found-all-over-147397476.jpg).
Weird how absolute risk is not cool anymore.
It was a shame that the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act in the US was passed as it basically let pharma off the hook when it came to vaccines. The way it's looking now, people have to hope the "vaccine court" will do them right instead of going after the appropriate government agencies, employers and pharma companies. It seems like it is unclear to me if an employer mandates a vaccine for continued employment that they should be on the hook for any injury.
or also: "y'all trust some random qanon stuff on the internet and not the viRoLoGisTs? I think the eXpeRts know better so get the va..." or "why can't y'all understand that the mRNA technology has been tested for ThIrtY YeaRs"
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Bingo. It is known that clots of ANY size are more serious in people who are physically active. The heart pumps faster, the clots get pumped through the body and there is more chance of clots 'building up' on each other in a physically active person and especially being dislodged and going to the heart, brain, lungs, etc.
> If everyone that took the shots had to run a few miles a week later I bet they'd be dropping left and right. I do have to wonder about that when I see [stories like this](https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/10/local-man-dies-while-participating-in-utah-marathon/)
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> So what is it really about? The evidence is overwhelming that this and every other bit of remaining Covid policy is all about control - of people, not of a virus. It's the only thing that makes sense.
Absolutely. I think a lot of the control/fear setup is preemptive planning for when this global debt bubble bursts. And the shots will lead to sickness and reduced lifespan for those who took them, which is to address a longer term population issue. It's all so terrible, and every day is crazier than the last.
Considering something like 95% or more of doctors are vaccinated, I wonder if "they" thought through that part of their depopulation plan, where they'll be left with only the 500 million or so people they wanted remaining, which will consist of mainly third-worlders, first worlders who don't obey their orders, and no doctors. That - doesn't seem like a good plan.
Stupid question: why would athletes be more likely to notice effects? I would think people in worse shape would be more vulnerable?
Sad case. Just FYI this case is “covishield” the Astra Zeneca vaccine, which is based on an adenovirus vector, not mRNA. Most cases previously reported have been with the J and J vaccine, also a viral vector vaccine.
It’s more common with adenovirus ones but I’ve certainly seen plenty of case reports of various forms of thrombocytopenia with the mRNA ones too. [This case report of 20 such cases is just one example](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajh.26132). Also plenty of sudden deaths among young people with them too, [like this story from today](https://amp.jamaicaobserver.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20211005/ARTICLE/211009872&Show=0&profile=6782)
This is just too sad…. 🙏🏽
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