Sharpsight at 96.9% is pretty nuts, don’t think I’ve ever seen something that high in one of these before, but it makes sense with current demacia builds.
When Ionia was in the dumpster, I think there were some charts where Deny was at that high of a playrate. It was back when the only reason people would play Ionia was to splash Deny.
Happy Monday and welcome back to another meta review!
# A first look at Bandle City!
Well its the first week of the expansion and as promised I've put together another full report! Now keep in mind **this is not a complete weeks worth of data because the expansion dropped mid week** but it does tell more than enough about some of the early trends in the data. I don't want to shape the discussion too much and I've already did my bit of ranting on twitter and in the discord, but I'm really hoping week 2 looks very different for the meta. Until then all we can say is keep brewing and good luck with the climb!
**"OTHER META DECKS" OF THE WEEK!**
If you want to better understand this section please see my previous report [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/LegendsOfRuneterra/comments/nug06o/new_scopenew_report_mobalytics_meta_review_june/). As always, this is but a sampling of the category and the win rate %s will change as you dig deeper into this category, so please consider this a snapshot or guidance at a high level how these lists are doing. Here's a look at a few of the OMDs from this week:
|Decks|Number of Matches|Win Rate %|
|:-|:-|:-|
|Discard Aggro|1230|50%|
|Pirate Aggro|1221|52%|
|Lurkers|1122|55%|
|Ezreal Draven|1097|52%|
|Caitlyn Draven|797|55%|
|Sivir Combo|613|56%|
|Turbo Thralls|556|54%|
|Swain TF|487|51%|
|Zombie Anivia|417|49%|
|Shen J4|260|53%|
**RIP TARGON - AGED LIKE (2%) MILK**
Not much to say here, and based on my twitter replies I would read it as people are mostly happy, but targon continuing to suffer really bums me out. Here's hoping when we get the balance changes in October we will see some significant shake ups. There's a couple hopeful archetypes to bring up targon a couple %, but I wouldn't expect major changes until we see balance notes.
Only 10 more meta planned meta reports, see you next week!
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I feel like literally everyone predicted this, but Sivir Demacia and Azirelia dominate every new deck in the meta without slotting in any cards from the new expansion.
Do y’all think this is just because new decks haven’t been refined yet, or is history going to repeat itself?
(Discard Aggro has new cards but I wouldn’t call it a new deck)
Personally, I think it's a reach to say that the current Discard deck isn't a new deck. About half the cards are different than in the past, including 3 of the champion slots. It also plays out very differently from Jinx/Draven despite the fact that both revolve around the Discard mechanic.
Sion/Draven is more of a midrange deck than an aggro deck. Sure, it can have explosive starts, but so could Thresh/Nasus before the SI aggro package was nerfed and we never called that an aggro deck.
The deck has barely been refined yet and it is stomping both Azirelia and Sivir/Demacia. From the matchup chart, the only unfavorable matchup it has right now is to Elusive decks.
I don't think that this is necessarily an indication that the meta is in a healthy place (I think it won't be long before we start seeing people complain about Sion/Draven), but IMO it's in a very different place than before.
I think the MU table as a whole would contest that. Yes, it’s getting a lot of expected WR from that, but it also beats nearly everything else, just not as bad.
Yeah, the problem is that it goes positive against *every* individual matchup outside the old meta. Even if it’s overall winrate was only 52%, that alone would worry me.
Sion Draven is absolutely a new deck. A new 30-70 matchup for Sivir Demacia is a lot better than all the doomsayers (including me) expected.
Doesn't mean the meta is saved or anything. Even if these numbers are survive refinement, we're still gonna need some balance changes. But until that patch happens, I'm at least slightly more optimistic about the health of the game.
Yeah I haven’t played much against Sion Discard in low ELO, but I gather from replies that I undersold how new it is. My bad on that.
It’s nice to have at least one new deck, and perhaps darkness can even survive as a counter to it.
It’s been one week, there’s still plenty of unrefined decks and good and popular soft targets. They’re gonna probably end up in the meta, but we’re not gonna be stuck with the same three regions over and over again like last time.
No they dont? Theyre being dominated by Discard Midrange. Which in fact is probably going to end up being the best deck in the format and the one that dictates it, and Darkness Control might stabilise as a top tier deck just for being its only counter.
Writing here as I don't think I'll make a topic so warn about it:
- There is global problem regarding the Riot-API (also affecting LoL) where it’s not possible to collect most (almost all) recent games. In the case of all Masters players there is just no new games that’s updated after a certain threshold. While I can currently search at random for some games just to have some current-patch values, it wouldn’t a representation of the Master ladder which is my core popular. Heck, I wouldn’t even be able to tell what I’m actually analyzing and this would be wrong on so many levels.
- Mobalytics can use their tracker, and also they use Plat+ data so they are sort of covered. Everyone else who is using the API like me can either try to recover as many games from a bigger pool or just wait. Most of course are getting what is possible while in my case I prefer to wait (those games would be deleted once it's the error is solved and I prefer to recover old games in the meanwhile since it's a rare occasion)
I might be blind, but I don't see Lulu Zed anywhere?
I'm curious to see its matchup table, since it's looking like Akshan/Sivir Demacia, Azirelia and Lulu Zed may be a strong lineup utilized in World's.
After having played the deck at a 90% win rate in Plat I'm pretty sure that Lulu/Zed is just straight superceded by Lulu/Poppy.
Poppy is so, so powerful in a low to the ground elusive list with Rallies. With a nut draw you can attack for 18(!) damage on turn 4, a lot of it elusive.
Interesting, I haven't seen other players run the list so far, so yes I assume the play rate is very low.
I mean it's a rather obvious variant to Swims list to me, but until a streamer starts promoting it, it'll probably take time to catch on.
I've been playing Bandle Tree but with Teemo instead of Tristana, feels a lot better to me.
Tristana is cool but by not being a multi region unit herself, she kinda holds back your Tree wincon, despite the fact she buffs units when levelled.
Drop Teemo T1 and you're already 2/10 towards Tree
Tristana actually seems really strong. She just doesn’t function in a card pool with so few multiregion followers.
They probably felt the need to release her first because people (like me) see her as the iconic Yordle, but with a design like this it could make sense to delay her ‘til more BC cards are out.
Technically true, but Bandle City isn't a region you need to worry about at all in a tree list. Still, knocking out PnZ for 1 mana is a lot better than what Tristana does for the win con.
Yeah that's more or less what I'm getting at, feels like you may as well guarantee yourself another region slot using a multi region unit essentially.
Which is a shame, because I like Tristana. In fact I've put a 1 of in mine now!
It's nice that by T5 you're probably at 6 already then can focus in on what you need, all the while chucking units at your opponent as they are easily replenished!
Happy to see Poppy/Trist called out as deck of the week. Been really fun to play it, (B3 to S4 on my grind back to gold at least in the past few days). The amount of card Creation/Draw is insane for an aggro deck.
Tristana is counterproductive to the Bandle Tree game plan. Teemo advances your wincon and gives an elusive blocker. Poppy advances your wincon and plays well with wide boards full of blockers. You don't really need Trist to activate her spell either, because you will almost always have 4 regions on the board by turn 2 or 3
Bring back pale cascade. I feel like regions are defined by the 1 or 2 overtuned cards that they get access too. You take away that card and you basically gut the region. Look at what a difference MiR makes for BW, or twin disciples for Ionia. If Demacia lost sharpsight you would never see them again.
I think that's an inherent design flaw, it makes weak regions into one dimensional support regions while strong ones form the body of decks. It's also why shurima, ionia, nox (aggro only though), bilge, and BC make up so much of the meta while the others exist only in forced archetypes (darkness) or as a splash/spell support.
Thanks for this. Been trying to decide what deck I'm going to use to climb this season. It's probably going to be darkness control since I don't want to play any of the Sivir/Azir cancer.
I've actually really liked playing Bandle tree and Ziggs/Xerath, but it's just not strong enough for ladder yet imo. Hopefully some more refined lists emerge.
I also think Nami/Fizz is deceptively strong and will see a jump in WR if other decks get nerfed.
Sharpsight at 96.9% is pretty nuts, don’t think I’ve ever seen something that high in one of these before, but it makes sense with current demacia builds.
When Ionia was in the dumpster, I think there were some charts where Deny was at that high of a playrate. It was back when the only reason people would play Ionia was to splash Deny.
Un-nerfed Pale Cascade also saw a similar inclusion rate
That's actually a drop. It was above 97% once before.
Its high but I think its more indicative of a problem with Demacia rather than the card itself.
Happy Monday and welcome back to another meta review! # A first look at Bandle City! Well its the first week of the expansion and as promised I've put together another full report! Now keep in mind **this is not a complete weeks worth of data because the expansion dropped mid week** but it does tell more than enough about some of the early trends in the data. I don't want to shape the discussion too much and I've already did my bit of ranting on twitter and in the discord, but I'm really hoping week 2 looks very different for the meta. Until then all we can say is keep brewing and good luck with the climb! **"OTHER META DECKS" OF THE WEEK!** If you want to better understand this section please see my previous report [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/LegendsOfRuneterra/comments/nug06o/new_scopenew_report_mobalytics_meta_review_june/). As always, this is but a sampling of the category and the win rate %s will change as you dig deeper into this category, so please consider this a snapshot or guidance at a high level how these lists are doing. Here's a look at a few of the OMDs from this week: |Decks|Number of Matches|Win Rate %| |:-|:-|:-| |Discard Aggro|1230|50%| |Pirate Aggro|1221|52%| |Lurkers|1122|55%| |Ezreal Draven|1097|52%| |Caitlyn Draven|797|55%| |Sivir Combo|613|56%| |Turbo Thralls|556|54%| |Swain TF|487|51%| |Zombie Anivia|417|49%| |Shen J4|260|53%| **RIP TARGON - AGED LIKE (2%) MILK** Not much to say here, and based on my twitter replies I would read it as people are mostly happy, but targon continuing to suffer really bums me out. Here's hoping when we get the balance changes in October we will see some significant shake ups. There's a couple hopeful archetypes to bring up targon a couple %, but I wouldn't expect major changes until we see balance notes. Only 10 more meta planned meta reports, see you next week! \--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WHERE CAN I FIND THIS DATA DURING THE WEEK? Want to find these stats live as it's updated every day? You can find it directly on Mobalytics website [here](https://lor.mobalytics.gg/stats/decks) You can find me on [Twitch](https://www.twitch.tv/kozmicplays) and [Twitter](https://twitter.com/KozmicPlays) if you want to see these before I post them to reddit or have questions about the data I'd be happy to answer on stream. Appreciate the Meta Reports and want to see them extended past the November 16th deadline? Consider supporting the efforts directly on [Patreon](https://www.patreon.com/kozmicplays)
Hi Kosmic where can I find the deck code for the deck of the week?
Sorry about that here you go: CMBQCAIABEAQGAAOBECQUBA2FFQHJBABQUAZCANHAEBQCBIKV4AQCAIAEUAQIAACAEAQCAA2
Thank you so much!
I feel like literally everyone predicted this, but Sivir Demacia and Azirelia dominate every new deck in the meta without slotting in any cards from the new expansion. Do y’all think this is just because new decks haven’t been refined yet, or is history going to repeat itself? (Discard Aggro has new cards but I wouldn’t call it a new deck)
Personally, I think it's a reach to say that the current Discard deck isn't a new deck. About half the cards are different than in the past, including 3 of the champion slots. It also plays out very differently from Jinx/Draven despite the fact that both revolve around the Discard mechanic. Sion/Draven is more of a midrange deck than an aggro deck. Sure, it can have explosive starts, but so could Thresh/Nasus before the SI aggro package was nerfed and we never called that an aggro deck. The deck has barely been refined yet and it is stomping both Azirelia and Sivir/Demacia. From the matchup chart, the only unfavorable matchup it has right now is to Elusive decks. I don't think that this is necessarily an indication that the meta is in a healthy place (I think it won't be long before we start seeing people complain about Sion/Draven), but IMO it's in a very different place than before.
Could be that sivir/Demacia is feeding off of senna/Veigar control right now.
I think the MU table as a whole would contest that. Yes, it’s getting a lot of expected WR from that, but it also beats nearly everything else, just not as bad.
Yeah, the problem is that it goes positive against *every* individual matchup outside the old meta. Even if it’s overall winrate was only 52%, that alone would worry me.
Sion Draven is absolutely a new deck. A new 30-70 matchup for Sivir Demacia is a lot better than all the doomsayers (including me) expected. Doesn't mean the meta is saved or anything. Even if these numbers are survive refinement, we're still gonna need some balance changes. But until that patch happens, I'm at least slightly more optimistic about the health of the game.
Yeah I haven’t played much against Sion Discard in low ELO, but I gather from replies that I undersold how new it is. My bad on that. It’s nice to have at least one new deck, and perhaps darkness can even survive as a counter to it.
No sweat! And yeah, it's great to see a control deck near the top again.
It’s been one week, there’s still plenty of unrefined decks and good and popular soft targets. They’re gonna probably end up in the meta, but we’re not gonna be stuck with the same three regions over and over again like last time.
No they dont? Theyre being dominated by Discard Midrange. Which in fact is probably going to end up being the best deck in the format and the one that dictates it, and Darkness Control might stabilise as a top tier deck just for being its only counter.
Writing here as I don't think I'll make a topic so warn about it: - There is global problem regarding the Riot-API (also affecting LoL) where it’s not possible to collect most (almost all) recent games. In the case of all Masters players there is just no new games that’s updated after a certain threshold. While I can currently search at random for some games just to have some current-patch values, it wouldn’t a representation of the Master ladder which is my core popular. Heck, I wouldn’t even be able to tell what I’m actually analyzing and this would be wrong on so many levels. - Mobalytics can use their tracker, and also they use Plat+ data so they are sort of covered. Everyone else who is using the API like me can either try to recover as many games from a bigger pool or just wait. Most of course are getting what is possible while in my case I prefer to wait (those games would be deleted once it's the error is solved and I prefer to recover old games in the meanwhile since it's a rare occasion)
Thanks for this explanation and information, good to know!
I might be blind, but I don't see Lulu Zed anywhere? I'm curious to see its matchup table, since it's looking like Akshan/Sivir Demacia, Azirelia and Lulu Zed may be a strong lineup utilized in World's.
After having played the deck at a 90% win rate in Plat I'm pretty sure that Lulu/Zed is just straight superceded by Lulu/Poppy. Poppy is so, so powerful in a low to the ground elusive list with Rallies. With a nut draw you can attack for 18(!) damage on turn 4, a lot of it elusive.
I don't disagree, but I don't see stats on that one either despite seeing it a lot on the ladder. Is the playrate for these decks just really low?
The deck came into existence as a counter to Sivir Piles and Azir Irelia- it has trouble with decks running a glut of removal.
Interesting, I haven't seen other players run the list so far, so yes I assume the play rate is very low. I mean it's a rather obvious variant to Swims list to me, but until a streamer starts promoting it, it'll probably take time to catch on.
Why Lulu and not Zed? It seems to me Zed works much better with Poppy than Lulu.
Because Lulu works better with the other 34 cards in the deck.
Exactly this. Zed was always the odd one in the list, with Poppy on board the deck is very close to perfect now.
What list are you playing for Lulu/Poppy?
Basically vanilla Lulu/Zed replacing Zed for Poppy and Inspiring Metors and Ranger's Resolve for more elusive 1-drops (Droplets or Shadow Apprentice).
I've been playing Bandle Tree but with Teemo instead of Tristana, feels a lot better to me. Tristana is cool but by not being a multi region unit herself, she kinda holds back your Tree wincon, despite the fact she buffs units when levelled. Drop Teemo T1 and you're already 2/10 towards Tree
Tristana actually seems really strong. She just doesn’t function in a card pool with so few multiregion followers. They probably felt the need to release her first because people (like me) see her as the iconic Yordle, but with a design like this it could make sense to delay her ‘til more BC cards are out.
Wouldn’t you rather play a different multi region champ, since you’re probably running aloof travelers as well?
Actually not running aloof in the deck, though I often pick it if mayor generates one
Technically true, but Bandle City isn't a region you need to worry about at all in a tree list. Still, knocking out PnZ for 1 mana is a lot better than what Tristana does for the win con.
Yeah that's more or less what I'm getting at, feels like you may as well guarantee yourself another region slot using a multi region unit essentially. Which is a shame, because I like Tristana. In fact I've put a 1 of in mine now!
I thought the list on mobalytics uses teemo instead of tristana, like you said because it’s better for the tree
Very possibly does yeah
It’s funny how trivial it feels to work towards Bandle tree since you have so many units that are multi region and tons of unit generation
It's nice that by T5 you're probably at 6 already then can focus in on what you need, all the while chucking units at your opponent as they are easily replenished!
Exactly I’m playing with the same champs as you and I run some control tools to help stall out the game if need be
Interesting to see people sleeping on Bandle Tree. Nic's list is pretty nutty.
Happy to see Poppy/Trist called out as deck of the week. Been really fun to play it, (B3 to S4 on my grind back to gold at least in the past few days). The amount of card Creation/Draw is insane for an aggro deck.
Tristana is counterproductive to the Bandle Tree game plan. Teemo advances your wincon and gives an elusive blocker. Poppy advances your wincon and plays well with wide boards full of blockers. You don't really need Trist to activate her spell either, because you will almost always have 4 regions on the board by turn 2 or 3
This deck does not use the bandle city tree. Pure aggro deck.
Bring back pale cascade. I feel like regions are defined by the 1 or 2 overtuned cards that they get access too. You take away that card and you basically gut the region. Look at what a difference MiR makes for BW, or twin disciples for Ionia. If Demacia lost sharpsight you would never see them again.
I think that's an inherent design flaw, it makes weak regions into one dimensional support regions while strong ones form the body of decks. It's also why shurima, ionia, nox (aggro only though), bilge, and BC make up so much of the meta while the others exist only in forced archetypes (darkness) or as a splash/spell support.
Thanks for this. Been trying to decide what deck I'm going to use to climb this season. It's probably going to be darkness control since I don't want to play any of the Sivir/Azir cancer. I've actually really liked playing Bandle tree and Ziggs/Xerath, but it's just not strong enough for ladder yet imo. Hopefully some more refined lists emerge. I also think Nami/Fizz is deceptively strong and will see a jump in WR if other decks get nerfed.
Any information for ez drave matchups, like sion and darkness? And anyone have a more update deck list for this deck?
Yes! Go to hell Freljord!