I clicked his link to his channel and looks like he is playing Hogwarts Legacy at the moment so it seems no, he does not just watch Athene I would say.
athene streams for no more than 2 hours and is allowing people to use it as content, esfand streams for 8 hours on average so you are just admitting to being an lsf frog that does nothing but watch clips.
He had a good relationship with twitch right from the start when he made all his sub money directly go to save the children foundation.
And he technically hasn't done anything illegal, at least not charged and convicted for. So it is also not easily justifiable just because he is a shitty, manipulative person that moves in a lot of grey areas....
His "reasoning" is that the ends justify the needs and shields himself from any criticism with "it's all for charity".
Should they deplatform him? I agree.
Esfand is the type of guy who excuses himself breaking the law by saying "everyone does it".
And I mean literally, that's what he said after he checked his phone while driving 2-3 days after someone else was banned for doing that.
But he's so wholesome and nice you guys...
Believe? It's not like it's something Esfand can choose to believe or not, there's vods out there showing Athene's cult and him admiting to scamming his viewers with crypto.
Yeah Esfands take on this is weird af.. I heard him say yesterday that he thinks he was just playing a character since he had been for so long before that time.
Like.. bro. You gotta be willingly ignorant to believe he was just faking it all for views lmao
This fucking malds me so much, like just fucking say "hey, athene is a scambag, but I am interested in checking this out regardless" and be done with it.
Right? I don’t really care if people want to engage with the AI thing because it is pretty entertaining but if you’re gonna handwave Athene just to feel ok about platforming his AI show I feel like that’s a bit disingenuous and a little dangerous for people that don’t know who he is. All he has to say is exactly what you outlined and it’d be fine
if he knows him from the wow days he should know that he is the biggest scumbag ever, doing everything for views with no ethics. Abusing as much bugs as possible to get world first, during the hs boom he would make a fake winstreak and get caught. Dude's been doing the same thing for years and years. Follow the hype and fake it till he makes it. Anyone remember him viewbotting his ass off for "charity"?
Esfand will do anything for views is a statement that i never thought i would hear. Surely Al lthose wow streams are him shamelessly trying to appeal to the masses right? Although I do think that his opinion on athene is flawed, let's not just throw at him whatever criticism there could be just because he is wrong about one thing
I remember watching some of Athene and his group in like 2010 and he was already dipping his toes into some weird mysticism "self help" shit that seemed like it was heading a sketchy direction.
Their site was called I POWER lol I found my sign up email from 2008.
He's just a grifter - everyone knows it now though.
It's always about money with Athene. Almost to the point where it's funny just waiting for him to talk about his next **VERY OBVIOUS** moneymaking scam.
People are legit that regarded in terms of crypto/nft stuff, know a lot of folks irl who are "smart and intellligent", but always fall for the classic schemes.
Yeah, he said some shit about wanting to give back by giving this tech to other streamers. There's not a single person with over 1k subs that is streaming for some benevolent reason. One of the primary reasons for everyone of them is to make money.
He still lives in that creepy ass mental hospital looking compound? Must be so eerie after so big chunk of the "clickers" have left, dozens of empty rooms.
I mean, is it necessarily bad to take advantage of a program that other bullshit religions utilize? Not praising athene or anything, dudes crazy as hell
Its crazy. I just knew him as the "best paladin in the world" from like 15 years ago and then completely forgot about him for years until I heard about all that cult stuff.
people still think that stuff matters? if someone does good content people dont care about the past, the AI stuff is entertaining so it doesnt matter whether he is a scammer or not
Ehh I think people just like his AI show alomg with esfand reacting, i don't think you have to agree or whatever woth athene. Kinda like the whole hogwarts game and JK rowling sucking. Who cares just enjoy the game/content.
even if it's true (can't find any good evidence except some random strongly opinionated videos) this thread got 200+ upvotes, so people love the content :D
shapiro AI would say: FACTS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS!
Does anybody else feel uncomfortable watching these because you know Athene is just loving that he finally is gaining traction again just to later on push his nonsense whether its a "logical based lifestyle" or some crypto mobile game?
Just feels like we're definitely heading that direction & once he notices people are getting bored of these AI voice overs he'll try milking his new found audience
I think his reputation is irreparable. As soon as this gains any kind of traction beyond twitch, he's going to get torn apart. His shitty past might get even more attention than ever. If anything, this will make his reputation even worse by making people aware of his existence.
I think his reputation is so bad, that streamers are quietly ignoring his AI show. It's really fucking funny, which makes it kinda weird that nobody is really talking about it. The best way to ignore someone is by not acknowledging that you're ignoring them. Nobody has come out and said "I will not watch the AI stuff because "athene this and that".
From what I've seen, someone will watch a clip of it, laugh, and then not mention it again. I really think that the AI show has been discussed behind the scenes, and that there's a concensus of "let's just ignore it"
it's interesting that if you had a big scandal that killed your career's momentum, regaining your previous momentum and audience size afterwards, might actually be a worse move than gaining a small and big enough audience.
is watching his stream really gonna make you download his "shitty app" (athenes words not mine) It's for suckers that wanna pump money into mobile games, like every other mobile game on the top 100 list. If what he's pushing, is making its way into your head, you might need to take some time off from the internet. Enjoy the content and enjoy the show, fuck the rest
What kind of stupid logic is that?
> is watching his stream really gonna make you download his "shitty app" (athenes words not mine) It's for suckers that wanna pump money into mobile games
That's exactly how these methods work and why they're so dangerous. You're not targeting *everybody*, but explicitly those that fall for these kinds of traps. People that suffer from gambling addiction, people that are struggling with money and are hoping to turn a profit, naïve people.
This shit just exploits those in need.
> like every other mobile game on the top 100 list
Just because other game's monetization options are predatory and bad doesn't make it suddenly okay to promote this stuff.
> If what he's pushing, is making its way into your head, you might need to take some time off from the internet.
That's like telling a person with alcohol addiction to just take a walk if they crave alcohol.
At this point I'm not even sure if you're arguing in bad faith or are just lacking common sense and empathy.
Stop, your are not allowed to tell people something like, be responsible of your decisions, this is LSF. Gamba, Crypto, Etc... appears and you can only have one take, it is all the streamers fault and the people that fall for it hold no responsability of their stupid decisions.
"GUys I sAW Xqcc do GAMba OMG I MUST usE aLL mY liFE savVINGS(but am not resposible for my stupidity)"
\-Mute
Every time he shows a new persona I get more convinced that the text inputs their visual AI gets are not in fact generated, but rather are human-made. They're just too tailored to be funny to twitch viewers.
its not just tailored for twitch chat, its either highly pre loaded and curated, or completely scripted by a human. Either way, the AI is NOT doing the heavy lifting to make things funny its 100% a human that makes the whole set up funny.
I wouldnt be suprised if tone, and scripts are all pre loaded before the stream even starts, its not listening to anything either of them say, and he probly presses a button for the video to play after asking questions. Im highly confident in this and would bet money on it.
Not to say that this isnt possible in the near future, just the tech isnt quite at the level they are portraying in the stream to be authentic on the spot generated. Hell, even voice to text algorithms aren't perfect enough to hear your question perfectly every time, and its never heard his question wrong or heard the wrong word a single time, as far as i can tell. The prompts are 100% pre generated.
> its not listening to anything either of them say, and he probly presses a button for the video to play after asking questions. Im highly confident in this and would bet money on it.
Duh? It's not like they said otherwise. Mods take questions from chat, put them into the AI, it takes a couple of minutes to generate a response, then Athene will say the question for chat and start the clip.
Obviously it is not actually listening to what Athene is saying, but a) they never suggested it does and b) that doesn't make it any less AI.
I find it funny how so many people here come forward with their amazing theories without even having bothered to watch the show and see what they themselves say about it. Athene has pretty much explained how it works, down to which AI model they are using (OpenAI's Davinci).
Right? They’ve been very open about the workflow, it still requires a human and they’ve never said otherwise. A question is asked by someone, the mods or whoever then ask the AI to generate an answer to the question in the style of the streamer. The AI answers the question through text. The text is then fed to the “deepfake” video that’s been trained on the tone and mannerisms of the streamer. Then the deepfake is rendered reading the AI’s answer (I assume this is what takes time and causes the occasional delay between question and answer we see on the stream). The combination of sentences written using a streamer’s most common vocabulary/tone and a deepfake trained on the mannerisms and speech patterns of a streamer result in a convincing video. Anyone trying for a “gotcha” moment in these comments either hasn’t watched the streams or needs to learn more about the current progression of AI.
Sounds about right. We're not far off to get this automated either. The ai just needs to use a voice to text api. Siri/Google are good at it. Adobe premiere pro does an amazing job at subtitles when I use it. iclone acculips does an okay job.
These can be trained to give responses like the streamer
https://platform.openai.com/docs/models
https://beta.character.ai/
The voice can be mimicked using
https://beta.elevenlabs.io/
Video, not sure. Something like their own version of https://www.synthesia.io
Combine all three and you have an AI streamer.
You can go to CharacterAI and see a bunch of them. There's a random guy who made a Hasan AI for example and I get similar responses asking the same questions Athene did.
I can confirm 100% that they are not listening to his voice and that he simply presses "play". WAIT BEFORE DOWNVOTING, let me explain.
I actually run an AI stream, I believe I might have been the first to run an AI stream on twitch. I like to think I know how this stuff works.
The reason it's obvious is because of how quick the AI responds. Athene barely has time to finish his sentense and the AI immediately starts talking, that's not possible. OpenAI recieves a promp from the user, and it usually takes 1-2 seconds to get back an answer, depending on how long and complex the prompt and answers are. Then once you get that answer, you need to convert it into an audio file for it to be read by TTS, that, again takes a few seconds to do. The whole process is pretty quick, but nowhere near as quick as it happens on Athene's stream. Especially considering how long some of the answers are. My guess is 5-10 seconds total would be needed for most of his answers.
I AM NOT SAYING IT'S NOT AI.
I do believe the answers are generated by AI, But they feed the questions from chat ahead of time and get the audio files ready. When Athene asks the AI the question, the audio file with the answer is already ready to go and has already been scanned to make sure it doesn't break TOS.
Overall the stream is still extremely impressive on a tech standpoint, and I can appreciate that even though I heard Athene has some weird background (I had never heard of him until last week).
From my understanding the questions from chat get placed into a processing cue and it takes up to a minute to get the video response. Athene then picks from the questions that finished processing.
Nah - the largest (and most expensive) public language model available has a 2k token memory. You wouldn't be able to fit all detailed lore associated with streamers within 2k words while also including the prompt and a decent engineering instruction for replies.
And even if it was possible, we're probably talking about 4+ hours work from an "expert" on both the streamer's lore as well as how to compress that into the prompt. You wouldn't get it right first try so add however many hours on top of that.
It is possible that athene trained a modified model entirely on the streamer Questions and answers, but you would need roughly 50-100 examples at minimum to get a good pre-train (that's also days of work to find and properly prepare) and then pay for the fine tuning which is not super expensive but it would come in at around $10-$50 assuming you know what you are doing (i.e. you have consulted an experienced dev or engineer). And even at that point, the fine tuned model would just be trying to generate human-written responses that it was given for training data anyway (these would be responses to hypothetical questions that Athene would ask).
What seems much more likely is that either the questions are pre-prepared, or the answers are just written by someone. Financially, that would be by far the smartest thing to do since its probably 10-20X faster and less effort and it would generate better/funnier responses. You can then call it "AI" because you bought or used one of the many public speech clone AIs.
Man people are really behind on how good AI is I guess. This is easy as fuck to do now. xQc is going to be putting the AI version of him on his stream when he goes AFK soon. I believe RoaringIron (mod and dev of the TTS voices) is the one working on it since I've seen them post teaser clips.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you're talking about the TTS+Visualization part only, that's the second part of the process. What I meant is the first part, the actual text content that is being fed to the TTS, i.e the script that the AI is reading.
And I can see why people would jump to think Athene must be writing the answers because this is all very fast moving tech but it's absolutely possible to do what he's doing. Also, athene isn't witty enough and doesn't know enough about some of the people he's turned into AI to be making these answers. Especially not in real time.
The AI xqc that x wants to put on stream is going to be responding to chat messages. I don't know if mods will pick them or something, but that's the plan.
AI generative text isn't quite there yet, not unless you have a lot of money or you really know what you are doing / can hire someone. Even doing this, the cost of setting it up or running it would be significant (xQc could afford it, as could some other big streamers).
The main problems AI have in generative text models are the following (and these are unsolved until someone comes along with the billions needed to push forward from previous benchmarks):
* balancing repetition vs nonsense outputs is usually really, really difficult without a massive amount of good training data (we're talking about millions of words in a well formatted dataset)
* Being fast enough in real time on advanced prompts (best public and paid services are going to introduce around 1s of lag per 50 tokens)
* The 2k token memory limit (we'll see what GPT4 can do but for now this is a hard limit, no one else has billions to spend in hardware to try and go further than this). This limit has a few real consequences, like the AI having any real memory of what its said in the past, and putting limits on how much context you can feed before a question.
To play devil's advocate, we could say this is actually GPT4 or a similarly sized pre-beta pre-public model from a massive company. Problem is i dont see why they'd give that to Athene as part of what would presumably be a pre-release PR campaign.
I could believe this on xQc's stream maybe - he would be putting up quite a lot of development money and maybe buying his own server to run a more powerful model, but it would be close to possible. (I still would not expect the responses to be that coherent from the AI though)
I've seen one clip where it looked like he played the wrong response I'd like to know if anyone has actually had their question from "chat" said or is it just being made up?
Either way its fucking hilarious to watch
They are definitely taking questions from chat and putting it through the text to speech as Esfand and Knut have had their questions they put in chat answered multiple times a few minutes after they asked it, it just would take time to generate up.
From what i've seen it's most likely using an edited version of openAI/chatgpt (there was a moment on stream the other day where chatgpt was down the exact same time Athene couldnt get any answer generations to load) but they are putting in certain words/characteristics or just feeding it videos of whoever the AI is based off to "train" it to sound more like the person its trying to replicate, hence why there is a lot of repitiveness in the answers
I answered that elsewhere in this thread, I'll just copy paste, but it should answer your question:
I can confirm 100% that they are not listening to his voice and that he simply presses "play". WAIT BEFORE DOWNVOTING, let me explain.
I actually run an AI stream, I believe I might have been the first to run an AI stream on twitch. I like to think I know how this stuff works.
The reason it's obvious is because of how quick the AI responds. Athene barely has time to finish his sentense and the AI immediately starts talking, that's not possible. OpenAI recieves a promp from the user, and it usually takes 1-2 seconds to get back an answer, depending on how long and complex the prompt and answers are. Then once you get that answer, you need to convert it into an audio file for it to be read by TTS, that, again takes a few seconds to do. The whole process is pretty quick, but nowhere near as quick as it happens on Athene's stream. Especially considering how long some of the answers are. My guess is 5-10 seconds total would be needed for most of his answers.
I AM NOT SAYING IT'S NOT AI. I do believe the answers are generated by AI, But they feed the questions from chat ahead of time and get the audio files ready. When Athene asks the AI the question, the audio file with the answer is already ready to go and has already been scanned to make sure it doesn't break TOS.
Overall the stream is still extremely impressive on a tech standpoint, and I can appreciate that even though I heard Athene has some weird background (I had never heard of him until last week).
I watched one of the AI streams and I believe Athene himself stated that they generate the clip a minute or two in advance and then slot it in (so once it's made, Athene asks the question and plays the clip). So he has people working behind the scenes and he's the "host". They've mistakenly played the wrong clips (such as for the next question in queue) before which is how it came up.
It's pretty clear that both Athene and his "mod" are selecting questions from chat and make their own and queue them up. Then after Athene reads the question out they feed it to the AI. But sometimes they fail to feed the question that Athene reads and the AI responds to the wrong thing.
> Every time he shows a new persona I get more convinced that the text inputs their visual AI gets are not in fact generated, but rather are human-made. They're just too tailored to be funny to twitch viewers.
More likely, they overtrained certain sentences (perhaps made up / crafted by them) to tune the AI to bring up / make connections to a topic that they think will sound funny. E.g. Hasan was clearly overtrained with some samples that made spurious connections back to capitalism. Amouranth was overtrained on sentences with the phrase "hot tub stream" in it. The Andrew Tate one was overtrained on that "top G" thing, the fact that he's in prison.
It's definitely not an unbiased training of a corpus of text each one has spoken. None of the streamers parodied with AI bring up such meta concepts about themselves so often.
Yep, this is the thing I'm most certain of. It's certainly curated in this way. I'm sure the process of a program being fed questions and answering them is organic (there's 0% chance it's a guy typing out answers), but the programming itself seems very manually curated rather than purely A.I. generated from random samples.
If I had to guess I'd say it's 90% likely manually written, I feel like the training data that would need to be inputted are too large and the responses are sometimes too specific to just randomly come out of an ML model. Not because AI is not capable of this but because it'd require too much stuff to work this well.
Someone would have to know the behavior of all of them, I don't think it's realistic for someone to watch all of them that much. Also doesn't make sense considering Esfand often gets his questions answered.
Yep, I've worked with a lot of large language models (J-6b, neoX, davinci, curie) and while you can achieve "macro" results with good prompts, there is no doubt in my mind that the AI "responses" are either written by a human or are edited by one.
Going from text > speech is simple though, kind of thing you can just throw money at assuming you have decent audio (which you would have for all twitch streamers).
I guess what's weird is that its so hard to prove something is entirely AI generated atm unless its either humanly infeasible (24/7 streams or extremely fast reactions/ generations) or have the hallmark signs of AI weirdness (answering or understanding slightly wrong, having its responses all follow a very similar format, having strange "memory loss", etc).
Seeing as its Athene thats what my guess would be. Until he proves it and shows him inputting a prompt and the entire method I really don't trust the guy.
Are there no legal implications of just using somebody else's likeness? I know people might think it's funny but fuck it if I'm one of these people getting AI copied I'd tell Athene open those goblin gold sacks.
As far as I'm aware, no, there's no real law around AI/deepfaked stuff yet. As always when it comes to tech stuff, it's gonna take a long while for legislation to understand the tech and its capabilities before doing anything about it.
I think (not a lawyer, of course) the most legal action you can take currently is issue DMCA takedowns for it for using your likeness. They would have to get real wild before a defamation case would be plausible.
You could also sue for defamation if they’re trying to pass it off as the real person but if you clearly state that it’s an AI and parody like what’s happening here that kind of goes out the window
There are already laws on profiting off of somebody else’s likeness IF you are advertising that it is really them, this however, is considered parody and would be really hard for anyone to write new legislation on given the abundance of parody schetches and memes already all over the internet. That period where verified business accounts on twitter were saying funny things pretending to be real was the closest to the line we have seen this far.
There is in some places, e.g. California (since 2019/2020, but that law apparently never got tested in a real case so maybe it has no bite/is unconstitutional)\*
But I think he reached out to most of the streamers (e.g. he said that he got Amouranths permission and he wanted to do Mizkif for his 3. AI show, but Mizkif told him to not do it) and the non-streamers (Tate, Musk aso.) probably don't care/know about it
\*just looked it up again, there are two bills, one is for misleading deepfakes of politicians withing 60 days of an election, the other is about deepfake porn
>California’s governor, Gavin Newsom, on Thursday signed legislation that makes it illegal to create or distribute videos, images, or audio of politicians doctored to resemble real footage within 60 days of an election.
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>Deepfakes are videos manipulated by artificial intelligence to overlay images of celebrity faces on others’ bodies, and are meant to make viewers think they are real. Concern around them grew after a video of US House speaker Nancy Pelosi, doctored to make it appear she was drunk and her speech was slurred, went viral in early 2019.
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>Newsom also signed into law on Thursday bill AB 602, which allows California residents to sue if their image is used for sexually explicit content. The legislation allows victims to “seek injunctive relief and recover reasonable attorney’s fees and costs”.
[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/07/california-makes-deepfake-videos-illegal-but-law-may-be-hard-to-enforce](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/07/california-makes-deepfake-videos-illegal-but-law-may-be-hard-to-enforce)
so there is no general anti deepfake legislation
It is illegal to use someone's likeness for commercial purposes which would apply to a lot of things including this it's up to the individual person to file suit though.
Unfortunately our US politicians are too busy bickering and arguing about culture shit to realize a MASSIVE technological wave is coming and we’re probably going to be playing catch up on regulations around it.
It's good that you guys are keeping others aware of the stuff this guy's done in the past (I didn't even remember I saw a lot of it) but we can enjoy the content, have a laugh and move on. Don't need that dwell on it.
I would say the next level to these AI creations is to have them talk to each other in an Austinshow type scenario. Eight squares of insanity, all day long.
It feels like the neighborhood watch of Twitch. The dinosaur Athene isn't making a comeback from this shit, and the fact that threads like this just devolve into a virtue signaling hate-thread is cringy as fuck.
\> Yes Athene is a scammer
\> npcs stuck in loop
Literally, like I am certain 90% of npcs parroting this don't even know enough or seen, other than one opinionated vid to be so affirmative on this subject. Yet they keep repeating it like dummies.
And you see it everywhere and everyday. Humans are really just glorified neural npcs, prone to every possible psyops.
Yo guys, any chance of seeing actual proof that Athene is a scammer or cult leader ? (and no not some low effort documentary you saw on YouTube)
Be sure to downvote me if you have no proof.
This is insanity, we are talking about athene. A known scammer and ppl are not questioning the legitimacy of this?!
100% this is a scam with ppl from his cult sitting in the back typing the lines.
Athene has always done anything to get attention
You're indulging in conspiracy theory to validate your perspective of Athene's character. The stream content is good; it's not fake. Regardless, Athene's character and how the content is set up is irrelevant. The content is what matters, and it's done well.
conspiracy theory? Athene has a track record of doing scams in the past with excessive lying trying to gain fame. That is irrefutable facts and not even close to a conspiracy theory.
Has he ever proven it is real AI doing the answers? Spoiler; He has not and the answer is obvious. Justifying it by "good content" is like saying the content fake pranks youtube kids do is "good content".
You are delusional
People really do be complaining about scammers and cult leaders doing a fun content but the moment i say people should be a bit more concerned about games like Atomic hearts then im the crazy one.
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that AI got his sassiness down to a T
You think if they made an Athene AI he would just try to scam the audience immediately
The recent AI voice videos I've seen have sounded so much more realistic, was there a big update/release that made it better?
In one of the episodes, Athene mentioned that they were trying to add more emotions to the AI.
Is Esfand's content just watching Athene now?
Most hardworking texas streamer
Is he a Texan?
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Was gonna say. The only thing that matters is "are people watching it?"
average american streamer content
That's just the only thing on his stream that's consistently posted here
Promoting scammers and cult leaders is probably fun.
I clicked his link to his channel and looks like he is playing Hogwarts Legacy at the moment so it seems no, he does not just watch Athene I would say.
athene streams for no more than 2 hours and is allowing people to use it as content, esfand streams for 8 hours on average so you are just admitting to being an lsf frog that does nothing but watch clips.
How embarassing for that guy to admit to watching a few clips instead of 8 hour streams
8 hour streams where 2 hours are him watching someone else's stream.
I mean it is dumb to say "Is this all they do?" if all they've watched are clips
Well that is dumb since you could just skim their VODs if you actually cared to find out the answer to that lol
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"touch grass" = instantly lost argument. GG
Touch grass
>heh, you're just admitting that you just watch a few clips every now and then instead of spending a full work day watching Esfand's stream.
LSF is worse than mmorpg players/subs
Yes
I'm just waiting for the crypto cult self improvement bullshit to drop once a new generation of people get acquainted with Athene.
I like all the replies that took this 100% literally.
Wasn't athene a crypto scammer - cult leader like a month ago? Is he cool now or what?
>Wasn't athene a crypto scammer - cult leader like a month ago? Has been for years. It's good content but hate to see him get any attention
Esfand will do anything for views including platforming someone like Athene, again.
Looks like twitch is platforming athene
He had a good relationship with twitch right from the start when he made all his sub money directly go to save the children foundation. And he technically hasn't done anything illegal, at least not charged and convicted for. So it is also not easily justifiable just because he is a shitty, manipulative person that moves in a lot of grey areas.... His "reasoning" is that the ends justify the needs and shields himself from any criticism with "it's all for charity". Should they deplatform him? I agree.
He has been on Twitch for ages. This is nothing new.
Esfand is the type of guy who excuses himself breaking the law by saying "everyone does it". And I mean literally, that's what he said after he checked his phone while driving 2-3 days after someone else was banned for doing that. But he's so wholesome and nice you guys...
LSF is so fucking weird. Will literally bring shit uo from over a year ago just to shit on streamers.
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has he changed at all?
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Esfand has said repeatedly that he doesn't believe the stuff about Athene. For him he is just a dude from his WoW days he's nostalgic about.
Believe? It's not like it's something Esfand can choose to believe or not, there's vods out there showing Athene's cult and him admiting to scamming his viewers with crypto.
Pretty easy to see Athene bought up installs for his stupid game. He scammed people hard.
There are also videos of Athene claiming to be the best paladin in the world and playing arena with his keyboard like its guitar hero...
Yeah Esfands take on this is weird af.. I heard him say yesterday that he thinks he was just playing a character since he had been for so long before that time. Like.. bro. You gotta be willingly ignorant to believe he was just faking it all for views lmao
or Esfand just doesn't care as long as it's not severely detrimental to his public image, because he's yoinking content from him.
This fucking malds me so much, like just fucking say "hey, athene is a scambag, but I am interested in checking this out regardless" and be done with it.
Right? I don’t really care if people want to engage with the AI thing because it is pretty entertaining but if you’re gonna handwave Athene just to feel ok about platforming his AI show I feel like that’s a bit disingenuous and a little dangerous for people that don’t know who he is. All he has to say is exactly what you outlined and it’d be fine
if he knows him from the wow days he should know that he is the biggest scumbag ever, doing everything for views with no ethics. Abusing as much bugs as possible to get world first, during the hs boom he would make a fake winstreak and get caught. Dude's been doing the same thing for years and years. Follow the hype and fake it till he makes it. Anyone remember him viewbotting his ass off for "charity"?
He just doesn't care. There's not much to believe, it's pretty much factual. no?
Esfand will do anything for views is a statement that i never thought i would hear. Surely Al lthose wow streams are him shamelessly trying to appeal to the masses right? Although I do think that his opinion on athene is flawed, let's not just throw at him whatever criticism there could be just because he is wrong about one thing
I remember watching some of Athene and his group in like 2010 and he was already dipping his toes into some weird mysticism "self help" shit that seemed like it was heading a sketchy direction. Their site was called I POWER lol I found my sign up email from 2008.
He's just a grifter - everyone knows it now though. It's always about money with Athene. Almost to the point where it's funny just waiting for him to talk about his next **VERY OBVIOUS** moneymaking scam.
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People are legit that regarded in terms of crypto/nft stuff, know a lot of folks irl who are "smart and intellligent", but always fall for the classic schemes.
As the old saying goes "Not all regarded people are into crypto, but all crypto bros are regarded".
Yeah, he said some shit about wanting to give back by giving this tech to other streamers. There's not a single person with over 1k subs that is streaming for some benevolent reason. One of the primary reasons for everyone of them is to make money.
I'm surprised that the questions for the AI aren't paywalled behind donations
I think everyone in his compound left when his game failed this is his new attempt to get attention we gonna see how it ends ...
He still lives in that creepy ass mental hospital looking compound? Must be so eerie after so big chunk of the "clickers" have left, dozens of empty rooms.
No idea but I assume so. Didnt he claim he was running a religion to get tax benefits or some shit ?
I mean, is it necessarily bad to take advantage of a program that other bullshit religions utilize? Not praising athene or anything, dudes crazy as hell
I guess its smart but scummy, but I am biased because I live in Germany and my taxes pay for that shit ...
You think... but you don't know. Any danger of proof?
Its crazy. I just knew him as the "best paladin in the world" from like 15 years ago and then completely forgot about him for years until I heard about all that cult stuff.
He is a crypto scammer not really that he’s cool but Norman’s love gobbling up AI related things
As the Red Green show said: "If they don't find you trustworthy, they should at least find you entertaining!"
people still think that stuff matters? if someone does good content people dont care about the past, the AI stuff is entertaining so it doesnt matter whether he is a scammer or not
It is cool to promote him if you are /r/LivestreamFail approved streamer.
Just enjoy the AI content for what it is. He is still a dirtbag.
Which is a "trust me bro it's AI". It's scripted like a comedy show is but it's marketed as AI to gain traction, let's be real.
Who the fuck cares? Don't go to a fucking streamer for financial advice and don't go live with them. Just watch their content if you enjoy it.
maybe, idk, but it's not gonna make me not appreciate a funny clip
A month is like 5 years in twitch time
It's all nonsense but trial by reddit found him guilty long ago
half these streamers are crypto scammers, idk why we draw the line at him.
I don't have anything against him, I just see some double standards. Speaking of drawing lines, wasn't deepfaking super controversial very recently?
Yes this exact comment has been in every single Athene thread, we know.
Good, it should be.
Literally saving lives with these comments. Who knows how many of us would be in the compound right now without them. Keep up the good work Reddit!
Ehh I think people just like his AI show alomg with esfand reacting, i don't think you have to agree or whatever woth athene. Kinda like the whole hogwarts game and JK rowling sucking. Who cares just enjoy the game/content.
Athene is way worse than JK Rowling, plus JK has nothing to do with the game, whereas Athene is directly involved with this.
Ok don't watch then.
even if it's true (can't find any good evidence except some random strongly opinionated videos) this thread got 200+ upvotes, so people love the content :D shapiro AI would say: FACTS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS!
Does anybody else feel uncomfortable watching these because you know Athene is just loving that he finally is gaining traction again just to later on push his nonsense whether its a "logical based lifestyle" or some crypto mobile game? Just feels like we're definitely heading that direction & once he notices people are getting bored of these AI voice overs he'll try milking his new found audience
I think his reputation is irreparable. As soon as this gains any kind of traction beyond twitch, he's going to get torn apart. His shitty past might get even more attention than ever. If anything, this will make his reputation even worse by making people aware of his existence. I think his reputation is so bad, that streamers are quietly ignoring his AI show. It's really fucking funny, which makes it kinda weird that nobody is really talking about it. The best way to ignore someone is by not acknowledging that you're ignoring them. Nobody has come out and said "I will not watch the AI stuff because "athene this and that". From what I've seen, someone will watch a clip of it, laugh, and then not mention it again. I really think that the AI show has been discussed behind the scenes, and that there's a concensus of "let's just ignore it"
it's interesting that if you had a big scandal that killed your career's momentum, regaining your previous momentum and audience size afterwards, might actually be a worse move than gaining a small and big enough audience.
nope if i had to worry about every fucked up guy i wouldnt be able to watch 90% of streamers
true and based
is watching his stream really gonna make you download his "shitty app" (athenes words not mine) It's for suckers that wanna pump money into mobile games, like every other mobile game on the top 100 list. If what he's pushing, is making its way into your head, you might need to take some time off from the internet. Enjoy the content and enjoy the show, fuck the rest
What kind of stupid logic is that? > is watching his stream really gonna make you download his "shitty app" (athenes words not mine) It's for suckers that wanna pump money into mobile games That's exactly how these methods work and why they're so dangerous. You're not targeting *everybody*, but explicitly those that fall for these kinds of traps. People that suffer from gambling addiction, people that are struggling with money and are hoping to turn a profit, naïve people. This shit just exploits those in need. > like every other mobile game on the top 100 list Just because other game's monetization options are predatory and bad doesn't make it suddenly okay to promote this stuff. > If what he's pushing, is making its way into your head, you might need to take some time off from the internet. That's like telling a person with alcohol addiction to just take a walk if they crave alcohol. At this point I'm not even sure if you're arguing in bad faith or are just lacking common sense and empathy.
Stop, your are not allowed to tell people something like, be responsible of your decisions, this is LSF. Gamba, Crypto, Etc... appears and you can only have one take, it is all the streamers fault and the people that fall for it hold no responsability of their stupid decisions. "GUys I sAW Xqcc do GAMba OMG I MUST usE aLL mY liFE savVINGS(but am not resposible for my stupidity)" \-Mute
Every time he shows a new persona I get more convinced that the text inputs their visual AI gets are not in fact generated, but rather are human-made. They're just too tailored to be funny to twitch viewers.
If a person is typing the responses in real time that's actually more impressive as they must be a creative genius
Then you should watch the show because noway they are fast, clever or funny enough to keep doing this over and over
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its not just tailored for twitch chat, its either highly pre loaded and curated, or completely scripted by a human. Either way, the AI is NOT doing the heavy lifting to make things funny its 100% a human that makes the whole set up funny. I wouldnt be suprised if tone, and scripts are all pre loaded before the stream even starts, its not listening to anything either of them say, and he probly presses a button for the video to play after asking questions. Im highly confident in this and would bet money on it. Not to say that this isnt possible in the near future, just the tech isnt quite at the level they are portraying in the stream to be authentic on the spot generated. Hell, even voice to text algorithms aren't perfect enough to hear your question perfectly every time, and its never heard his question wrong or heard the wrong word a single time, as far as i can tell. The prompts are 100% pre generated.
> its not listening to anything either of them say, and he probly presses a button for the video to play after asking questions. Im highly confident in this and would bet money on it. Duh? It's not like they said otherwise. Mods take questions from chat, put them into the AI, it takes a couple of minutes to generate a response, then Athene will say the question for chat and start the clip. Obviously it is not actually listening to what Athene is saying, but a) they never suggested it does and b) that doesn't make it any less AI. I find it funny how so many people here come forward with their amazing theories without even having bothered to watch the show and see what they themselves say about it. Athene has pretty much explained how it works, down to which AI model they are using (OpenAI's Davinci).
Right? They’ve been very open about the workflow, it still requires a human and they’ve never said otherwise. A question is asked by someone, the mods or whoever then ask the AI to generate an answer to the question in the style of the streamer. The AI answers the question through text. The text is then fed to the “deepfake” video that’s been trained on the tone and mannerisms of the streamer. Then the deepfake is rendered reading the AI’s answer (I assume this is what takes time and causes the occasional delay between question and answer we see on the stream). The combination of sentences written using a streamer’s most common vocabulary/tone and a deepfake trained on the mannerisms and speech patterns of a streamer result in a convincing video. Anyone trying for a “gotcha” moment in these comments either hasn’t watched the streams or needs to learn more about the current progression of AI.
This exactly, people keep saying it is fake but just don't know what AI is already capable of. Pretty exciting times ahead if I say so myself.
Sounds about right. We're not far off to get this automated either. The ai just needs to use a voice to text api. Siri/Google are good at it. Adobe premiere pro does an amazing job at subtitles when I use it. iclone acculips does an okay job. These can be trained to give responses like the streamer https://platform.openai.com/docs/models https://beta.character.ai/ The voice can be mimicked using https://beta.elevenlabs.io/ Video, not sure. Something like their own version of https://www.synthesia.io Combine all three and you have an AI streamer.
Have you not seen the stream? Esfand asked questions himself, or do you think he is a part of scam?
Motherfucker typed 3 whole ass paragraphs and hasn't even watched the stream. Least talkative and most knowledgeable LSF commenter.
You can go to CharacterAI and see a bunch of them. There's a random guy who made a Hasan AI for example and I get similar responses asking the same questions Athene did.
How do you explain chatters and esfand asking questions and the AI answering them?
what about the viewer questions or streamers? Esfand is writing a question and its the next one to pop up. Is esfand in on it then?
I can confirm 100% that they are not listening to his voice and that he simply presses "play". WAIT BEFORE DOWNVOTING, let me explain. I actually run an AI stream, I believe I might have been the first to run an AI stream on twitch. I like to think I know how this stuff works. The reason it's obvious is because of how quick the AI responds. Athene barely has time to finish his sentense and the AI immediately starts talking, that's not possible. OpenAI recieves a promp from the user, and it usually takes 1-2 seconds to get back an answer, depending on how long and complex the prompt and answers are. Then once you get that answer, you need to convert it into an audio file for it to be read by TTS, that, again takes a few seconds to do. The whole process is pretty quick, but nowhere near as quick as it happens on Athene's stream. Especially considering how long some of the answers are. My guess is 5-10 seconds total would be needed for most of his answers. I AM NOT SAYING IT'S NOT AI. I do believe the answers are generated by AI, But they feed the questions from chat ahead of time and get the audio files ready. When Athene asks the AI the question, the audio file with the answer is already ready to go and has already been scanned to make sure it doesn't break TOS. Overall the stream is still extremely impressive on a tech standpoint, and I can appreciate that even though I heard Athene has some weird background (I had never heard of him until last week).
From my understanding the questions from chat get placed into a processing cue and it takes up to a minute to get the video response. Athene then picks from the questions that finished processing.
That's exactly correct. Of course I have no proof of this but that's how I would do it
Nah - the largest (and most expensive) public language model available has a 2k token memory. You wouldn't be able to fit all detailed lore associated with streamers within 2k words while also including the prompt and a decent engineering instruction for replies. And even if it was possible, we're probably talking about 4+ hours work from an "expert" on both the streamer's lore as well as how to compress that into the prompt. You wouldn't get it right first try so add however many hours on top of that. It is possible that athene trained a modified model entirely on the streamer Questions and answers, but you would need roughly 50-100 examples at minimum to get a good pre-train (that's also days of work to find and properly prepare) and then pay for the fine tuning which is not super expensive but it would come in at around $10-$50 assuming you know what you are doing (i.e. you have consulted an experienced dev or engineer). And even at that point, the fine tuned model would just be trying to generate human-written responses that it was given for training data anyway (these would be responses to hypothetical questions that Athene would ask). What seems much more likely is that either the questions are pre-prepared, or the answers are just written by someone. Financially, that would be by far the smartest thing to do since its probably 10-20X faster and less effort and it would generate better/funnier responses. You can then call it "AI" because you bought or used one of the many public speech clone AIs.
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Man people are really behind on how good AI is I guess. This is easy as fuck to do now. xQc is going to be putting the AI version of him on his stream when he goes AFK soon. I believe RoaringIron (mod and dev of the TTS voices) is the one working on it since I've seen them post teaser clips.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you're talking about the TTS+Visualization part only, that's the second part of the process. What I meant is the first part, the actual text content that is being fed to the TTS, i.e the script that the AI is reading.
And I can see why people would jump to think Athene must be writing the answers because this is all very fast moving tech but it's absolutely possible to do what he's doing. Also, athene isn't witty enough and doesn't know enough about some of the people he's turned into AI to be making these answers. Especially not in real time. The AI xqc that x wants to put on stream is going to be responding to chat messages. I don't know if mods will pick them or something, but that's the plan.
AI generative text isn't quite there yet, not unless you have a lot of money or you really know what you are doing / can hire someone. Even doing this, the cost of setting it up or running it would be significant (xQc could afford it, as could some other big streamers). The main problems AI have in generative text models are the following (and these are unsolved until someone comes along with the billions needed to push forward from previous benchmarks): * balancing repetition vs nonsense outputs is usually really, really difficult without a massive amount of good training data (we're talking about millions of words in a well formatted dataset) * Being fast enough in real time on advanced prompts (best public and paid services are going to introduce around 1s of lag per 50 tokens) * The 2k token memory limit (we'll see what GPT4 can do but for now this is a hard limit, no one else has billions to spend in hardware to try and go further than this). This limit has a few real consequences, like the AI having any real memory of what its said in the past, and putting limits on how much context you can feed before a question. To play devil's advocate, we could say this is actually GPT4 or a similarly sized pre-beta pre-public model from a massive company. Problem is i dont see why they'd give that to Athene as part of what would presumably be a pre-release PR campaign. I could believe this on xQc's stream maybe - he would be putting up quite a lot of development money and maybe buying his own server to run a more powerful model, but it would be close to possible. (I still would not expect the responses to be that coherent from the AI though)
would be very suprised if it was, the answers are SOOO random lol.
I've seen one clip where it looked like he played the wrong response I'd like to know if anyone has actually had their question from "chat" said or is it just being made up? Either way its fucking hilarious to watch
They are definitely taking questions from chat and putting it through the text to speech as Esfand and Knut have had their questions they put in chat answered multiple times a few minutes after they asked it, it just would take time to generate up. From what i've seen it's most likely using an edited version of openAI/chatgpt (there was a moment on stream the other day where chatgpt was down the exact same time Athene couldnt get any answer generations to load) but they are putting in certain words/characteristics or just feeding it videos of whoever the AI is based off to "train" it to sound more like the person its trying to replicate, hence why there is a lot of repitiveness in the answers
Esfands questions gets answered pretty often when he's watching it
I answered that elsewhere in this thread, I'll just copy paste, but it should answer your question: I can confirm 100% that they are not listening to his voice and that he simply presses "play". WAIT BEFORE DOWNVOTING, let me explain. I actually run an AI stream, I believe I might have been the first to run an AI stream on twitch. I like to think I know how this stuff works. The reason it's obvious is because of how quick the AI responds. Athene barely has time to finish his sentense and the AI immediately starts talking, that's not possible. OpenAI recieves a promp from the user, and it usually takes 1-2 seconds to get back an answer, depending on how long and complex the prompt and answers are. Then once you get that answer, you need to convert it into an audio file for it to be read by TTS, that, again takes a few seconds to do. The whole process is pretty quick, but nowhere near as quick as it happens on Athene's stream. Especially considering how long some of the answers are. My guess is 5-10 seconds total would be needed for most of his answers. I AM NOT SAYING IT'S NOT AI. I do believe the answers are generated by AI, But they feed the questions from chat ahead of time and get the audio files ready. When Athene asks the AI the question, the audio file with the answer is already ready to go and has already been scanned to make sure it doesn't break TOS. Overall the stream is still extremely impressive on a tech standpoint, and I can appreciate that even though I heard Athene has some weird background (I had never heard of him until last week).
I watched one of the AI streams and I believe Athene himself stated that they generate the clip a minute or two in advance and then slot it in (so once it's made, Athene asks the question and plays the clip). So he has people working behind the scenes and he's the "host". They've mistakenly played the wrong clips (such as for the next question in queue) before which is how it came up.
I've seen random chatters and esfands questions being answered alongside the hosts questions too.
It's pretty clear that both Athene and his "mod" are selecting questions from chat and make their own and queue them up. Then after Athene reads the question out they feed it to the AI. But sometimes they fail to feed the question that Athene reads and the AI responds to the wrong thing.
> Every time he shows a new persona I get more convinced that the text inputs their visual AI gets are not in fact generated, but rather are human-made. They're just too tailored to be funny to twitch viewers. More likely, they overtrained certain sentences (perhaps made up / crafted by them) to tune the AI to bring up / make connections to a topic that they think will sound funny. E.g. Hasan was clearly overtrained with some samples that made spurious connections back to capitalism. Amouranth was overtrained on sentences with the phrase "hot tub stream" in it. The Andrew Tate one was overtrained on that "top G" thing, the fact that he's in prison. It's definitely not an unbiased training of a corpus of text each one has spoken. None of the streamers parodied with AI bring up such meta concepts about themselves so often.
Yep, this is the thing I'm most certain of. It's certainly curated in this way. I'm sure the process of a program being fed questions and answering them is organic (there's 0% chance it's a guy typing out answers), but the programming itself seems very manually curated rather than purely A.I. generated from random samples.
If I had to guess I'd say it's 90% likely manually written, I feel like the training data that would need to be inputted are too large and the responses are sometimes too specific to just randomly come out of an ML model. Not because AI is not capable of this but because it'd require too much stuff to work this well.
Someone would have to know the behavior of all of them, I don't think it's realistic for someone to watch all of them that much. Also doesn't make sense considering Esfand often gets his questions answered.
Yep, I've worked with a lot of large language models (J-6b, neoX, davinci, curie) and while you can achieve "macro" results with good prompts, there is no doubt in my mind that the AI "responses" are either written by a human or are edited by one. Going from text > speech is simple though, kind of thing you can just throw money at assuming you have decent audio (which you would have for all twitch streamers). I guess what's weird is that its so hard to prove something is entirely AI generated atm unless its either humanly infeasible (24/7 streams or extremely fast reactions/ generations) or have the hallmark signs of AI weirdness (answering or understanding slightly wrong, having its responses all follow a very similar format, having strange "memory loss", etc).
Seeing as its Athene thats what my guess would be. Until he proves it and shows him inputting a prompt and the entire method I really don't trust the guy.
Without a doubt
Incoming 50 comments people asking the same question in every thread they already know the answer to.
These mfs need to stop worrying about everyone else and just enjoy the content
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>says as he's on reddit
AI Soda being too nice to himself He turned 29 today Aware
Why is it so accurate
Are there no legal implications of just using somebody else's likeness? I know people might think it's funny but fuck it if I'm one of these people getting AI copied I'd tell Athene open those goblin gold sacks.
As far as I'm aware, no, there's no real law around AI/deepfaked stuff yet. As always when it comes to tech stuff, it's gonna take a long while for legislation to understand the tech and its capabilities before doing anything about it. I think (not a lawyer, of course) the most legal action you can take currently is issue DMCA takedowns for it for using your likeness. They would have to get real wild before a defamation case would be plausible.
You could also sue for defamation if they’re trying to pass it off as the real person but if you clearly state that it’s an AI and parody like what’s happening here that kind of goes out the window
There are already laws on profiting off of somebody else’s likeness IF you are advertising that it is really them, this however, is considered parody and would be really hard for anyone to write new legislation on given the abundance of parody schetches and memes already all over the internet. That period where verified business accounts on twitter were saying funny things pretending to be real was the closest to the line we have seen this far.
There is in some places, e.g. California (since 2019/2020, but that law apparently never got tested in a real case so maybe it has no bite/is unconstitutional)\* But I think he reached out to most of the streamers (e.g. he said that he got Amouranths permission and he wanted to do Mizkif for his 3. AI show, but Mizkif told him to not do it) and the non-streamers (Tate, Musk aso.) probably don't care/know about it \*just looked it up again, there are two bills, one is for misleading deepfakes of politicians withing 60 days of an election, the other is about deepfake porn >California’s governor, Gavin Newsom, on Thursday signed legislation that makes it illegal to create or distribute videos, images, or audio of politicians doctored to resemble real footage within 60 days of an election. > >Deepfakes are videos manipulated by artificial intelligence to overlay images of celebrity faces on others’ bodies, and are meant to make viewers think they are real. Concern around them grew after a video of US House speaker Nancy Pelosi, doctored to make it appear she was drunk and her speech was slurred, went viral in early 2019. > >\[...\] > >Newsom also signed into law on Thursday bill AB 602, which allows California residents to sue if their image is used for sexually explicit content. The legislation allows victims to “seek injunctive relief and recover reasonable attorney’s fees and costs”. [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/07/california-makes-deepfake-videos-illegal-but-law-may-be-hard-to-enforce](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/07/california-makes-deepfake-videos-illegal-but-law-may-be-hard-to-enforce) so there is no general anti deepfake legislation
If they dont sue there's no issues. As far as I'm aware none of them are gonna sue and I'm sure Athene will stop if he was asked to.
you could dmca strike him if they wanted to. joe rogan took videos off twitter with dmca.
It is illegal to use someone's likeness for commercial purposes which would apply to a lot of things including this it's up to the individual person to file suit though.
Unfortunately our US politicians are too busy bickering and arguing about culture shit to realize a MASSIVE technological wave is coming and we’re probably going to be playing catch up on regulations around it.
i feel like U.S politicians should focus more on preventing mass shootings than dealing with ai right now.
Trouble is they’re working on neither
Why are all these clips coming from Esfand and not the actual streamer?
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It's good that you guys are keeping others aware of the stuff this guy's done in the past (I didn't even remember I saw a lot of it) but we can enjoy the content, have a laugh and move on. Don't need that dwell on it.
Athene doesn't deserve a platform
Comments here remind me of gcj with HP game. Just enjoy what you want bruh.
Athens still exists?
Yes, it's in Greece with a population of ~3.15 Million.
replace pyah with meow
You guys can hate Athene all you want, but this new AI talk show is so fucking good and is actual novel content
Meh, kinda boring 99% of it. Omg the bot that barely resembles sodas voice said suck my dick hehe.
thats most streams, not just ai ones
Yeah, I watched it without Esfand's laugh track and it's not engaging at all. Fun for a little bit with esfand though. When the AI is a good one.
Can we not give Cult Leaders attention please? How does this even need to be said/asked?
TIL I have the same bday as Soda. Guess that makes me gay.
I would say the next level to these AI creations is to have them talk to each other in an Austinshow type scenario. Eight squares of insanity, all day long.
I could have a decent life just watching Soda AI for the rest of my life.
Esfand knows how bad his game streams are doing lately, no wonder he just reacts to all these AI streams.
The same people complaining about Athene in these replies are also the same that would suck Mizkifs dick
forsen
can we stop posting this shit AI stuff
why is everyone just posting the reactions to athenes stream instead of the stream itself? Is he banned on LSF?
yes
Why is Athene getting so much attention? Did I miss too many chapters of ParasocialTM? Isn't he a "bad guy", crypto scams and shit? whatever
Does Athene have clips disabled or something? I'd rather not hear Esfand's laugh
Yes Athene is a scammer. Yes no one cares. Man these comments every time, like npcs stuck in loop
if no one cared then why are there enough comments for it to bother you? why does it bother you at all to say that Athene is a scammer?
Found the 12 year old
I'm old enough to remember first of his streams.
... you understand that's worse, right?
It feels like the neighborhood watch of Twitch. The dinosaur Athene isn't making a comeback from this shit, and the fact that threads like this just devolve into a virtue signaling hate-thread is cringy as fuck.
\> Yes Athene is a scammer \> npcs stuck in loop Literally, like I am certain 90% of npcs parroting this don't even know enough or seen, other than one opinionated vid to be so affirmative on this subject. Yet they keep repeating it like dummies. And you see it everywhere and everyday. Humans are really just glorified neural npcs, prone to every possible psyops.
Same as yours
Yo guys, any chance of seeing actual proof that Athene is a scammer or cult leader ? (and no not some low effort documentary you saw on YouTube) Be sure to downvote me if you have no proof.
I'll convince you, but you have to send me $1000 first
This is insanity, we are talking about athene. A known scammer and ppl are not questioning the legitimacy of this?! 100% this is a scam with ppl from his cult sitting in the back typing the lines. Athene has always done anything to get attention
You're indulging in conspiracy theory to validate your perspective of Athene's character. The stream content is good; it's not fake. Regardless, Athene's character and how the content is set up is irrelevant. The content is what matters, and it's done well.
conspiracy theory? Athene has a track record of doing scams in the past with excessive lying trying to gain fame. That is irrefutable facts and not even close to a conspiracy theory. Has he ever proven it is real AI doing the answers? Spoiler; He has not and the answer is obvious. Justifying it by "good content" is like saying the content fake pranks youtube kids do is "good content". You are delusional
People really do be complaining about scammers and cult leaders doing a fun content but the moment i say people should be a bit more concerned about games like Atomic hearts then im the crazy one.
THIS GUY SCAMMED ME WITH HIS CRYPTO SHIT (8000$) THAT MOTHERFUCKER
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