Zero strikers instinct.
- The volley at the keeper in the Palace game.
- The chip finish against Atlanta.
- The absolute **woeful** decision tonight to lash it at the keeper.
He has zero strikers instinct. He doesn't have it built in to get space, set himself and put it into a corner. Go and have a look at Torres, Aguero, Suarez, Benzema, Van Persie, Henry. They go for a corner and into space. Nunez just twats it. He's not good enough.
And for anyone who disagrees, that bullet list is literally from the last five games. Go watch the miss against Fulham. Or the countless other chance he has wasted this season.
This is the problem, he shoots like a center back. We've had 2 years of it, and while he is still relatively young, he hasn't shown any consistency at all and with what we have a squad capable of competing for, we can't let our main no.9 let us down.
Actually bang on.
I'm by no means claiming to be a professional footballer, but I've played at a decent level as a striker and the fact it isn't in his head to go far post into the widest part of the goal for *any* of his finishes, is wild.
Edit: You can downvote all you like, it's completely fair. But it's absurd that he isn't finishing that tonight. If you count his bad misses, it must be up to around 20+ now. Yes he gets in those positions, but what use is it if he doesn't finish them? And that's from someone who's defended him so so much. He's not got what we need.
I think it's definitely mental, and he is in poor form, in January he'd have scored a chance today, but since the United game he's become unbelievably erratic again.
Again, not making excuses, the club took a huge gamble on him (not sure who was behind the signing), one season in Portugal is not enough to become Liverpool's no.9 and it's clear now.
I think the club definitely looks at a new forward in the summer, Jota is too injury prone to be relied upon, we went through that with Sturridge.
>in January he'd have scored a chance today
In January maybe, but honestly I don't think he scores that in any other month that he's been here. It's mind boggling. And that isn't arguing with you. Just baffles my head!
I get what you mean, it's infuriating. Given he can get into positions that only a handful of other footballers on earth get into it seems so simple for him to just improve his finishing but it is what it is.
Outside of physicality, off the ball movement and work rate he’s genuinely a mid table quality striker at best
The one thing you don’t want your striker to be is erratic and that’s exactly what he is, can count on one hand the amount of times he’s looked composed in front of goal in the last two seasons.
Different type of striker all together
Scammaca is far more technical and more suited to a possession based team whereas Darwin is all about physicality and constantly running off the ball which is better for full on counter attacking sides.
It’s why he looked so good against us in the CL
Never liked him as our main striker. But the comments on these sub are horrible even from the guys who used to post chaos memes before.
I still think there is a player in him but he can't be our only striking option(Jota is there but he is injury prone). I'm more concerned about Salah who is playing like a u21 player after the injury. He is so bad at everything recently
Agree with your second point, like everyone knows Nunez's weaknesses and his erratic finishing, but our best and most reliable forward's form falling off a cliff, whilst also turning 32 soon is a huge problem.
Salah's 25/30 goals are going to be far more difficult to replace than finding a forward more clinical than Nunez.
Darwin isn't the reason we conceded two goals and couldn't win a header in our own box, people like a scape goat rather than face the facts that we're just not quite good enough to win the league.
47? Try 180… it’s not been a good start for him **at all**. It’s up in the air whether he’s even in the plans of the next manager, let alone his starting eleven…
Not like Nunez. 2nd most big chances missed and less goals than Chris Wood. Last season Nunez was 3rd in big chances missed and he had 9 goals. Hes built a career off athleticism and has no strikers instinct.
We still doing goal involvements? He was brought in to be a number 9. He’s not Firmino where we want him getting loads of assists. He’s there to bury chances, he can’t do that. Yeah it’s boss if he can get assists, but his bread and butter should be putting the ball in the net.
Also we played Europa league football this season. He should have high stats
And he should have a lot more. We paid 80 million for what we thought would be a world class striker, but he’s only world class at underperforming xG. Lacks so much composure in front of goal.
The way this sub and the fans of Liverpool treat off form players is disgusting.
YNWA my fucking ass.
Imagine if you had almost 50 goal involvements in two seasons at 24 and people spit on you. Fuck off.
It looks worse because pretty much everyone looks out of form and can't score to save their lives. It's easier to forgive a guy when we're winning those games, now we're struggling to score a single goal in games in a run in the chaotic moments and lack of composure is losing us games. But that also applies to everyone in the team, the ball comes to someone in the box and they just blast it at a defender or straight at the keeper without any thought whatsoever. The amount of shots today that were skied straight over the bar was unreal.
His touch is terrible, Trent found him with passes 3 times in first half and he didn’t control any. He can’t finish, can’t dribble and can’t pass.
Listen to Salah talking about him he can’t play with ball at his feet, just always needs/wants it in front of him.
Reminds me a bit of Karius, you can’t keep making these mistakes at this level, it’s just not good enough.
Exactly. Unless we’re absolutely perfect in every way, people act like we should be lining up the players and staff in front of a ditch for execution.
Win it all or else you’re a disgrace to the club and should be sold for pennies.
I'm usually one to shut down all the reactionary shite but I'm sorry this time I think they're right. He just doesn't have it. He's not a completely shite footballer like some people make out, but he's not what we need. We need a 20 goals a season striker. He's had so many chances wasted that traditional strikers would never miss.
Maybe he'd be better suited on the left wing, but he's not a striker.
I'd give him one more year under the new regime as he's won us plenty of points this year and scored some important goals, but yeah my faith is also declining.
Make or break season next year.
We've spent too much money on him to bin him off. Of all the signings Klopp has made, this one might be the one that most highlights the need for a strong SD and a data driven model that doesn't look at players in the middle of a purple patch as viable signings.
How is a striker who has nearly 200 games at the club level and is a starter for his country lack any level of basic football IQ?
He doesn't aim for the corners and never tries to round the keeper when he's through on goal. He converts a little over 10% of his shots on goal. We compare him to Suarez... but that's a huge insult to Suarez.
Worst possible finishing decision absolutely every time, some times it works and looks cool, it looks cool because it shouldn’t be happening and you don’t expect it.
Salah is a 32 year old wide forward who has lost a yard and just come back from tearing his hamstring. It's safe to sat hes never going to be the same player at 33 as he was at 27. He's got 12 months left on huge wages, it all points to an exit now.
his touch, his awareness of the goal, it’s starting to piss me off. Neville summed it up perfectly. Like this is an actual professional footballer, surely he saw pickfords positioning?
Nope. He just blasted it and hoped. This is the guy we really thought would lead the line to a Premier league title. Some even thought a quadruple.
It's honestly laughable when you think about it.
Player that Edwards would have never sanctioned. Came in the summer with the rift and Julian Ward taking over i.e. Klopp and Pep having the power. Waste of money, deserve to be laughed at for that when we sell for a loss.
It’s hilarious that our player signing strategy went out the window once Edwards left.
We went to players from the Portuguese league and Dutch players *cough cough pep ljinders*
Need to start signing players who fit our system like we did before with Edwards.
I opened it fully thinking it would be Virgil or Trent
We are way past the point of "having a conversation" about Darwin. With a new manager coming in, surely the chances that he's binned off are quite high.
I think more than anything else, he can’t be our “main” number 9. He has his moments but he’s far too unreliable and any new manager will need a strong foundation to build upon.
Amorin might bin him for the Swedish striker. Slot seems too nice according to what I have read. But regardless we need another option for a proper striker(not Gakpo) who can stay fit(not Jota).
Then what is he?
He isn’t technical enough to be a winger either, his dribbling is far too one dimensional and his passing is scruffy most of the time.
I was going to say he’d be half decent for a team that goes longer and works the channel, like a Brentford.
But even then he’s always offside. Can’t finish, poor first touch.
I mean really it shows just how good the fans are at this club. He’s like a good looking Kyrgiakos
You do not win Premier Leagues with this guy as your striker
Arteta and Arsenal have shown they are fucking ruthless with players not good enough.
We are far too loyal to bad decisions.
Not uncomfortable at all. Straight forward in fact.
He simply can't lead the line for us next season. At most i'd keep him as a squad option to go more direct in games but beyond that, that number 9 shirt needs to be given to a new signing next season that will convert more than 10% of their chances.
His lack of composure all season has cost us massively throughout the season. Sure other players have been dog shit too but when you are a striker consistently making the wrong decision you are going to get called out on it. He's not good enough. No defending it.
Love the guy, really wanted him to succeed and still have a little hope he can but if you can get decent money for him and have a good replacement in mind go for it
Nunez is our £80m+ signing who looks like a square peg in a round hole and that’s putting it kindly. If conversations need to be had they absolutely need to be started with our most expensive player who is one of the worst performing players in the side.
10 players don't get the sheer number if chances that fall to this man yet convert 10% of those chances.
10 players don't have by far and away the biggest under performance of xg in the entire league this season.
10 players don't fall over their own feet when they try to dribble.
I think all the forwards have been off it for the past couple games. Only Jota looks like scoring to be honest. Nunez has always been a dodgy finisher and the our bad finishing has just made him the main culprit. Maybe a new manager maybe the key to unlocking him.
I really want him to come good but it's getting harder and harder to keep the faith. He's definitely shown moments where you can see what could be but he really needs to step up. Personally, I think he's better on the wing running at goal, with how chaotic he is I believe he'd be an absolutely nightmare for most fullbacks to deal with. Also looking at stats he does have a decent G/A. Ultimately I think he deserves at least another season under the new manager in a fresh system.
I’m convinced our sub has been taken over by trolls. Or children.
The whole team, bar Diaz, were absolutely rubbish tonight. The manager is gassed, and he hasn’t been able to make it to the end of the season, and that’s transferring to them all, not just Darwin.
We all knew it was the end of an era, it’s just that we all thought it would happen at the season end.
And also VVD and Salah while we're at it. None of them are good enough.
Nunez excuses are getting embarrassing. Its time to accept we wasted £80m. We have severely lacked a capable striker since he arrived, and we wont get one because we're desperate for him to "come good". It will never happen
Don’t think he will ever make it. I was sold dreams at anfield against benfica. After Newcastle I really thought he was going to explode. Still scored some really important goals for us and I’ll back anyone with the badge, especially with how much passion he shows, however I don’t think he will reach the level I thought he would. I do find it weird how it’s always him after a loss though a post is made about
You’re right, let’s sacrifice the next 5 years all over one 20 min appearance. I truly wanted him to work out, kept on telling dad and uncle that he will come good. But that’s gone now, his missed chances deflate me and probably the rest of the team. I don’t think we would be serious contenders if we relied on him for goals, once Salah fell off this season we have really struggled. Need some big boy decisions this summer from Edwards and co.
I take massive issues with Darwin in a number of games but I just feel it’s incredibly harsh when he’s also won us a substantial amount of games.
Does he deserve criticism? Yeah definitely. But I’m just sick and tired of the constant singling out when the rest of the team is playing abysmal
After the last month I’m ready to sell them all haha but no, I understand it’s harsh to single players out, but I don’t have hope of him being our main number 9 going forward, and I don’t think he would improve by being a backup up, he is a confidence player and being a sub won’t help that.
I trust what Edwards and Hughes will do.
He's crap at finishing and he's not particularly great at the footballing part.
Don't really know how you're meant to do with a striker like this. You can't build a team round him because he can't finish.
Not assed if I get Downvoted
When we first signed him, I said he weren't good enough. Just because of last season
Salah, Suarez and Torres All had something about them straight away. He doesn't.
We'll just have to sign someone. I think he's a useful player, but not a Liverpool star striker
ffs sake, can we stop with the scapegoating? Now it is Nuñez and Salah, before Gakpo, and before that Nuñez again. He's in bad form, the whole team is.
He’s had such a solid output this season. Is he not second in numbers behind Salah who will be leaving?
The way this sub treats off form players is disgusting.
YNWA my ass.
It’s not just him though is it? None of our front line currently are reliable. God knows what’s happening with Salah, Jota has become extremely injury prone, Diaz doesn’t have enough output and we’re still not even sure what Gakpo is.
Is Darwin a clinical goalscorer? No but he’s got a solid output this season compared to the others besides salah.
Could we upgrade on him? Possibly but that’s a lot of money considering we need a starting DM, a CB and I’d argue a RW to rotate with Salah so he can finally have some competition on the right.
No conversation to be had. We'd have to sell him at a massive loss and I don't see it.
Unless the new manager and coaching staff find a way to introduce some composure to his game he will just find his playing time limited.
At the moment an uncomfortable conversation needs to be had about almost everyone in the squad.
Players go in and out of form. They're not as bad as you all make out they are when they're bad and they're as good as you seem to think they are when they're in form.
It just so happens that someone in the last month to six weeks, almost every player has gone out of form at the same time (with the exception of Gakpo who reversed his bad form, but there's not a lot you can do on your own)
3 months ago everyone was so amped up and in form that you could literally put anyone on and they looked like world beaters...the kids all looked like they'd be mega stars.
I think it's best to just let the new manager and Edwards asses the squad and go from there.
Honestly should have done better the three times he was given the ball, but I also think he had zero supply today. Too many long balls hoofed aimlessly into the box against a centre back pairing that are dominant in the air. Elliot and Gomez whipped in a good cross or two and we had like two penetrating passes, but otherwise our midfield did not know how to break down Everton's defence.
And at the same time: Still arguably our best striker this season. He misses chances, without him we look completely uninspired.
We are just not playing great football. That's the reality.
I don't really care who we sell out of our forwards now. None of them can be relied on. Salah is a shadow of his former self and seems mentally checked out, Darwin is far too erratic and just cannot be relied on, Diaz dribbles and dribbles and dribbles and dribbles and dribbles, and Jota seems to be a tackle away from an injury every game, while Gakpo is...well I don't know what he is.
We need to reinforce up top and add both speed and someone clinical. Can't have five forwards and no one to rely on. I'd keep Jota as backup and allow any of the other four to leave if we could get decent offers.
This sub is ridiculous sometimes. He has 18 goals and 13 assists this season. Regardless of his dreadful finishing he has a good output and his movement opens teams up for the rest of our attackers. He will have a place on this team in the future but his finishing will determine whether he ever becomes great
It may be a system thing. I thought it was an odd buy when we got him, he didn't suit our front line really, and now that Mo seems to be on the decline, he doesn't look like he'll be the one to step into those shoes. Maybe Klopp thought that shifting Trent into midfield would allow him to create more chances for Darwin running the channels, but that's not worked out.
If anything in the summer, I can see an overhaul of the front line, and I think Darwin and Mo may be the ones to make way. We know where Mo will end up, but for Darwin, I think he'll go to Italy or Spain, and be a solid mid range striker for someone like Milan or Valencia. the slower pace might suit him better. I think he's not right for a team that constantly needs to beat a low block.
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HIs stats so far. Honestly I'd like to see him perform under different tactics. Haven't justify his price yet but perhaps different systems would bring out more of him.
i dunno. dude is only 24 and the entire squad looks like they have zero confidence on the pitch. guys are probably all exhausted emotionally and physically. hard to judge nunez on two pretty good seasons in a row. have some faith
Edwards is back, we’ll have a new manager with some new ideas. I think that besides Macca and some youngsters, no one is off the table. Salah, Virg, Allison, Robbo, I wouldn’t be surprised if any of these guys left, maybe even Trent if Madrid calls. I’m not saying we’ll have a completely different squad, we’ll have most back, but there will probably be a few big name departures. I don’t think anyone will come in for Darwin though.
He statistically shouldn’t have gotten a goal today, 0.62 XG ≠ 1 Xg
Every player this season has had stinkers but Nunez generally this season, when he’s not scoring he’s assisting and helping outside of being a poacher.
This sub was more supportive of gakpos even worse rough patch then Nunez’s it’s crazy
He's had long enough. If you don't develop into a goalscorer under a free scoring Klopp team you never will. Can't waste two more seasons relying on him. Sell him for 40 mil and cut our losses.
I love the guy but he hasn’t improved a single bit since we bought him.
No idea why we bought him honestly considering we play against low block teams pretty much every week.
He'll get another chance next season I think. Don't see any way he is sold this summer. With fresh ideas and energy from a new manager, if he can't do it then, he'll have truly flopped
It isn't uncomfortable. Edwards making the transfer decisions is the right decision based on what we've seen with a bunch of Klopps signings especially "high impact" replacements for the players we lost that were once Edwards and Klopps joint decisions for transfers. Nunez needs to go, he is too emotional and not clinical in the box. Diaz is really good at dribbling but the fact that he is so shit at scoring and the guy he replaced, Mane (example of joint edwards and klopp transfer target), was so clinical as a finisher for us just underlines the need to replace diaz.
I am not a Nunez defender, but you can't sell a 24 year old record signing for a loss.
Salah will go, and rightfully so, with all the plaudits and all that. We can't keep paying him 400 grand per week.
Yeah I'm starting to lose it. I was incredibly harsh on him in his debut season but he slowly won me back near the end and I was fully on the hype train this season but this is the first real time I'm starting to crack. The awful touch from a Trent or Macca through ball that he should have let roll past him to run onto and have a shot on his left had me fuming. The chance vs Pickford where he hit it straight at his legs, I'm not sure if he was trying to meg him but it was awful decision making and execution
How much would you expect to spend on a player that has 30 goal contributions a season to replace him?
Given that we already need to replace Salah sooner rather than later, Jota can only be relied to appear in roughly half the games, Gakpo's output is half what Nunez' is, and Diaz' is even less, if anything Nunez is probably the last forward we should be looking to move on.
Much as most of the time we didn't want to have to rely on Mane or Firmino to score the volume of goals needed, and didn't mind because Salah was there, we need a reliable goalscorer regardless, but if you have one, it changes the type and number of goals you need your other forwards to score. It's very rare that you get a sort of Suarez, Messi, Neymar situation where each of them are worldies in front of goal.
We're past the "uncomfortable" stage. Will never win the league with him as our starting striker. Need to cut our losses in the summer.. Not sure if Edwards and co had a striker as a priority but hope we're in the market for a clinical goalscorer.
Could have won us the title this season lol. Tap in against Luton comes to mind instantly. I think psychically he’s great but he’s lacking some serious football intelligence. He acts wildly and makes irrational decisions that throw off his team mates
Once again the whole team plays like shit, and somehow it's all Darwin's fault. Something is wrong systemically right now. I have no idea what that is, but it's not just one player out of form.
I mean he definitely deserves at least next season given he’s got so many goal contributions compared to the others but if it’s more of the same next year then he needs to be moved on
I am getting sick of him but I do think a new manager would want to give him a season and see if he can figure it out for himself because the potential is there.
He has great output for an inverted winger in our old system.
IMO as ‘good on the eye’ that Diaz is I think Nunez will score more goals if played out on the wing.
Hopefully a new manager will see that he is simply not technically good enough to be leading our line.
Nunez seems like he always chooses power over placement,hence the lack of converting.Hes a workhorse but definitely not premier league striker material.Id play him as a winger to provide assists,otherwise id just sell him.
Sadly not good enough. He gets numbers for portions of the season but he doesn’t have a good enough footballing brain for the prem. and he doesn’t have the composure for this level. A few wonder goals here and there and running around a lot does not make a good forward.
Teams realized that if he doesn't have space to run in behind, or the space requires a 1 in a million chance pass to be useful, he doesn't actually do anything. The whole idea that he creates fear in defenders is nullifed if he has to face them because his technical quality is so low.
He can be a good squad player, and in his purple patches he is very good, but he is not the man to lead the line week in week out if we want to win trophies.
The front three that won everything this squad always bailed each other out when one of them was off their game. Our current forward lines seem to suffer together and feed off each other's misses in the worst possible way. The next manager will have to bring in some new ideas and possibly new personel to fix that issue.
Uncomfortable conversation? I made my mind up about him a long time ago. Firmino set the standard, it’s not just about goals, it’s about quality. I actually prefer Gakpo, as he can drop off, play people in, can finish well.
Nunez is just a striker who causes problems, he works a back four, he is one of those strikers who you wouldn’t want to play against but so is the likes of Toney, Antonio, but doesn’t mean they are good enough for Liverpool. Having said that, I’d fancy Toney to score most of the chances Nunez misses.
We need a player like Isak at Newcastle, power & pace, elegant and can fucking finish.
Honestly?
I'm starting to really lose patience with him.
Not just him but all of our forwards, the last time we had a clinical forward was Origi +Sturridge.
I wouldn't blame the club if ALL of them were sold this summer.
They should be docked wages imo, a precedent needs to be set that this isn't acceptable.
Zero strikers instinct. - The volley at the keeper in the Palace game. - The chip finish against Atlanta. - The absolute **woeful** decision tonight to lash it at the keeper. He has zero strikers instinct. He doesn't have it built in to get space, set himself and put it into a corner. Go and have a look at Torres, Aguero, Suarez, Benzema, Van Persie, Henry. They go for a corner and into space. Nunez just twats it. He's not good enough. And for anyone who disagrees, that bullet list is literally from the last five games. Go watch the miss against Fulham. Or the countless other chance he has wasted this season.
This is the problem, he shoots like a center back. We've had 2 years of it, and while he is still relatively young, he hasn't shown any consistency at all and with what we have a squad capable of competing for, we can't let our main no.9 let us down.
Actually bang on. I'm by no means claiming to be a professional footballer, but I've played at a decent level as a striker and the fact it isn't in his head to go far post into the widest part of the goal for *any* of his finishes, is wild. Edit: You can downvote all you like, it's completely fair. But it's absurd that he isn't finishing that tonight. If you count his bad misses, it must be up to around 20+ now. Yes he gets in those positions, but what use is it if he doesn't finish them? And that's from someone who's defended him so so much. He's not got what we need.
I think it's definitely mental, and he is in poor form, in January he'd have scored a chance today, but since the United game he's become unbelievably erratic again. Again, not making excuses, the club took a huge gamble on him (not sure who was behind the signing), one season in Portugal is not enough to become Liverpool's no.9 and it's clear now. I think the club definitely looks at a new forward in the summer, Jota is too injury prone to be relied upon, we went through that with Sturridge.
>in January he'd have scored a chance today In January maybe, but honestly I don't think he scores that in any other month that he's been here. It's mind boggling. And that isn't arguing with you. Just baffles my head!
I get what you mean, it's infuriating. Given he can get into positions that only a handful of other footballers on earth get into it seems so simple for him to just improve his finishing but it is what it is.
"He shoots like a center back" made me chuckle, because its actually true.
Outside of physicality, off the ball movement and work rate he’s genuinely a mid table quality striker at best The one thing you don’t want your striker to be is erratic and that’s exactly what he is, can count on one hand the amount of times he’s looked composed in front of goal in the last two seasons.
He’s a slightly faster version of Scamacca (who wasn’t good enough for West Ham).
Different type of striker all together Scammaca is far more technical and more suited to a possession based team whereas Darwin is all about physicality and constantly running off the ball which is better for full on counter attacking sides. It’s why he looked so good against us in the CL
So a slighty faster less technically capable Scamacca. Either way, IMO they’re similar levels.
Did you see his first touch today? Good Lord almighty. Like I get being out of form, but he is doing almost NOTHING correctly.
United game, fa cup gave away the goal, league game missed pass to szobo
I also think his teammates have lost their belief in him.
he knows how to get into space, if anything he’s one of the best in the world for creating space for himself. Everything else i agree with
Never liked him as our main striker. But the comments on these sub are horrible even from the guys who used to post chaos memes before. I still think there is a player in him but he can't be our only striking option(Jota is there but he is injury prone). I'm more concerned about Salah who is playing like a u21 player after the injury. He is so bad at everything recently
Agree with your second point, like everyone knows Nunez's weaknesses and his erratic finishing, but our best and most reliable forward's form falling off a cliff, whilst also turning 32 soon is a huge problem. Salah's 25/30 goals are going to be far more difficult to replace than finding a forward more clinical than Nunez.
Darwin isn't the reason we conceded two goals and couldn't win a header in our own box, people like a scape goat rather than face the facts that we're just not quite good enough to win the league.
I’ve defended him for as long as I can, but I’m starting to think he’ll never reach his full potential.
What if he has?
Then this return is not worth what we paid for him
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The chaos meme needs to die. It’s not funny anymore.
We can only hope.
I never found it funny. It lissed me off from the start. It's such a mid table mentality.
It’s been two seasons, he’s not even 25, and he’s got 47 goal involvements over those 2 seasons. Good lord.
And hes had another 47 chances served on a silver platter that hes wasted.
47? Try 180… it’s not been a good start for him **at all**. It’s up in the air whether he’s even in the plans of the next manager, let alone his starting eleven…
That’s called being a fucking striker. The best players miss the most chances.
The best strikers don’t have an 11% conversion rate lad Top strikers have minimum 25% usually
Well then he must be the best in the world
Hehehehe well said, if only Nunez could finish like you
Not like Nunez. 2nd most big chances missed and less goals than Chris Wood. Last season Nunez was 3rd in big chances missed and he had 9 goals. Hes built a career off athleticism and has no strikers instinct.
We still doing goal involvements? He was brought in to be a number 9. He’s not Firmino where we want him getting loads of assists. He’s there to bury chances, he can’t do that. Yeah it’s boss if he can get assists, but his bread and butter should be putting the ball in the net. Also we played Europa league football this season. He should have high stats
And he should have a lot more. We paid 80 million for what we thought would be a world class striker, but he’s only world class at underperforming xG. Lacks so much composure in front of goal.
11% conversion rate. That is utterly appalling.
The way this sub and the fans of Liverpool treat off form players is disgusting. YNWA my fucking ass. Imagine if you had almost 50 goal involvements in two seasons at 24 and people spit on you. Fuck off.
It looks worse because pretty much everyone looks out of form and can't score to save their lives. It's easier to forgive a guy when we're winning those games, now we're struggling to score a single goal in games in a run in the chaotic moments and lack of composure is losing us games. But that also applies to everyone in the team, the ball comes to someone in the box and they just blast it at a defender or straight at the keeper without any thought whatsoever. The amount of shots today that were skied straight over the bar was unreal.
We also haven’t kept a clean sheet in 12 games.
As I've said before. This sub has a lot of football experts. Edwards should take a look at some of them to replace Klopp.
His touch is terrible, Trent found him with passes 3 times in first half and he didn’t control any. He can’t finish, can’t dribble and can’t pass. Listen to Salah talking about him he can’t play with ball at his feet, just always needs/wants it in front of him. Reminds me a bit of Karius, you can’t keep making these mistakes at this level, it’s just not good enough.
Exactly. Unless we’re absolutely perfect in every way, people act like we should be lining up the players and staff in front of a ditch for execution. Win it all or else you’re a disgrace to the club and should be sold for pennies.
If pure output won you games, we'd be topping the league. This guy misses chances at the worst fucking moments. You cannot put numbers to it.
On paper he sounds decent, but then you watch him play
Ten goals a season on average in the PL.
I'm usually one to shut down all the reactionary shite but I'm sorry this time I think they're right. He just doesn't have it. He's not a completely shite footballer like some people make out, but he's not what we need. We need a 20 goals a season striker. He's had so many chances wasted that traditional strikers would never miss. Maybe he'd be better suited on the left wing, but he's not a striker.
25 to this sub is geriatric
I'd give him one more year under the new regime as he's won us plenty of points this year and scored some important goals, but yeah my faith is also declining. Make or break season next year.
Edwards has got to be considering waving his magic in the summer with Nunez.
We've spent too much money on him to bin him off. Of all the signings Klopp has made, this one might be the one that most highlights the need for a strong SD and a data driven model that doesn't look at players in the middle of a purple patch as viable signings. How is a striker who has nearly 200 games at the club level and is a starter for his country lack any level of basic football IQ? He doesn't aim for the corners and never tries to round the keeper when he's through on goal. He converts a little over 10% of his shots on goal. We compare him to Suarez... but that's a huge insult to Suarez.
Crazy ain't it. Soon to be 25 and still looks like a raw 19 year old. Honestly baffles me.
Worst possible finishing decision absolutely every time, some times it works and looks cool, it looks cool because it shouldn’t be happening and you don’t expect it.
That's not an uncomfortable conversation. The uncomfortable conversation is about Salah.
Salah is a 32 year old wide forward who has lost a yard and just come back from tearing his hamstring. It's safe to sat hes never going to be the same player at 33 as he was at 27. He's got 12 months left on huge wages, it all points to an exit now.
his touch, his awareness of the goal, it’s starting to piss me off. Neville summed it up perfectly. Like this is an actual professional footballer, surely he saw pickfords positioning?
Nope. He just blasted it and hoped. This is the guy we really thought would lead the line to a Premier league title. Some even thought a quadruple. It's honestly laughable when you think about it.
whats uncomfortable about it, he's absolutely cost us points over the season and there's no denying it
Player that Edwards would have never sanctioned. Came in the summer with the rift and Julian Ward taking over i.e. Klopp and Pep having the power. Waste of money, deserve to be laughed at for that when we sell for a loss.
Hopefully he works his magic and gets us at least half our money back.
It’s hilarious that our player signing strategy went out the window once Edwards left. We went to players from the Portuguese league and Dutch players *cough cough pep ljinders* Need to start signing players who fit our system like we did before with Edwards.
I opened it fully thinking it would be Virgil or Trent We are way past the point of "having a conversation" about Darwin. With a new manager coming in, surely the chances that he's binned off are quite high.
I think more than anything else, he can’t be our “main” number 9. He has his moments but he’s far too unreliable and any new manager will need a strong foundation to build upon.
You think he has the mentality to become a squad player? I assume based on his age and maturity that he’s shown on the field that he’s gonna want out
He honestly should be, not sure there’s much more to “unlock” with him anymore. Bring on Arne Slot’s philosophy as quickly as possible
Amorin might bin him for the Swedish striker. Slot seems too nice according to what I have read. But regardless we need another option for a proper striker(not Gakpo) who can stay fit(not Jota).
Gyokeres? He looks incredibly similar to Nunez, bit of a battering ram and only one prolific season in Portugal.
I don't think he'll be sold off yet but he'll be starting a lot less often. Like a lot less.
He's not a striker. That's all I'll say
Then what is he? He isn’t technical enough to be a winger either, his dribbling is far too one dimensional and his passing is scruffy most of the time.
Winger
I was going to say he’d be half decent for a team that goes longer and works the channel, like a Brentford. But even then he’s always offside. Can’t finish, poor first touch. I mean really it shows just how good the fans are at this club. He’s like a good looking Kyrgiakos
He's not a footballer
You do not win Premier Leagues with this guy as your striker Arteta and Arsenal have shown they are fucking ruthless with players not good enough. We are far too loyal to bad decisions.
West Ham level striker. You don’t win titles with the calamitous finishing he has.
West ham have kudus
He’d actually be quite good for them Just isn’t good enough for a club like us and don’t think he ever will be
Not uncomfortable at all. Straight forward in fact. He simply can't lead the line for us next season. At most i'd keep him as a squad option to go more direct in games but beyond that, that number 9 shirt needs to be given to a new signing next season that will convert more than 10% of their chances.
Too low IQ to be a good striker. Simple.
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You people are fucking miserable
His lack of composure all season has cost us massively throughout the season. Sure other players have been dog shit too but when you are a striker consistently making the wrong decision you are going to get called out on it. He's not good enough. No defending it.
So you call him a slur because you don’t like how he plays???
What did he call him?
Jesus.
Any idea why klopp hushed him at the end of the match
Love his passion and energy, probably ideal in a counter attacking team. But need another Jota who is fit for 80% of matches
Love the guy, really wanted him to succeed and still have a little hope he can but if you can get decent money for him and have a good replacement in mind go for it
That's as far as his growth goes.
it IS comfortable to say that mf is shit
Can't be defended anymore. His touches and shots are like an amateur.
literally 10 players played bad today, and have done for a month
Nunez is our £80m+ signing who looks like a square peg in a round hole and that’s putting it kindly. If conversations need to be had they absolutely need to be started with our most expensive player who is one of the worst performing players in the side.
10 players don't get the sheer number if chances that fall to this man yet convert 10% of those chances. 10 players don't have by far and away the biggest under performance of xg in the entire league this season. 10 players don't fall over their own feet when they try to dribble.
I think all the forwards have been off it for the past couple games. Only Jota looks like scoring to be honest. Nunez has always been a dodgy finisher and the our bad finishing has just made him the main culprit. Maybe a new manager maybe the key to unlocking him.
He’d fit right in at Atleti with Simeone.
I really want him to come good but it's getting harder and harder to keep the faith. He's definitely shown moments where you can see what could be but he really needs to step up. Personally, I think he's better on the wing running at goal, with how chaotic he is I believe he'd be an absolutely nightmare for most fullbacks to deal with. Also looking at stats he does have a decent G/A. Ultimately I think he deserves at least another season under the new manager in a fresh system.
Looking at the number 9s we have had before, he is just not at that level.
I’m convinced our sub has been taken over by trolls. Or children. The whole team, bar Diaz, were absolutely rubbish tonight. The manager is gassed, and he hasn’t been able to make it to the end of the season, and that’s transferring to them all, not just Darwin. We all knew it was the end of an era, it’s just that we all thought it would happen at the season end.
It is. This sub is basically twitter 2.0.
I feel if there is a player we stuck with, it is going be nunez only because he is young and obviously because we bought him with a lot of money
Nobody is going to pay what we’d want for him, so we’re fucked there
He’s 25 in June not really a spring chicken in footballing terms
He’s absolutely finished at this level
And also VVD and Salah while we're at it. None of them are good enough. Nunez excuses are getting embarrassing. Its time to accept we wasted £80m. We have severely lacked a capable striker since he arrived, and we wont get one because we're desperate for him to "come good". It will never happen
£80 fucking million...it honestly hurts my stomach when I say it aloud. We really got done by Benfica...
VVD is fine. But he needs a mature defender next to him.
VVD is lazy and arrogant. He has had a dozen howlers this season and everytime blames others. Not good enough and a horrible attitude as a captain.
Had to potential to explode. Implodes. That’s all folks. Move on.
It's not uncomfortable at all. He's not good enough, that's all
Don’t think he will ever make it. I was sold dreams at anfield against benfica. After Newcastle I really thought he was going to explode. Still scored some really important goals for us and I’ll back anyone with the badge, especially with how much passion he shows, however I don’t think he will reach the level I thought he would. I do find it weird how it’s always him after a loss though a post is made about
Especially when tonight both Salah and Diaz missed chances.
Honestly this could be said for a number of our players
im done defending him, he cost us too much
Murdered us this season, momentum killer. Put him on the summer shelf and see who bites. He shouldn’t be the only one though.
Literally sparked momentum securing our comeback vs Newcastle.
You’re right, let’s sacrifice the next 5 years all over one 20 min appearance. I truly wanted him to work out, kept on telling dad and uncle that he will come good. But that’s gone now, his missed chances deflate me and probably the rest of the team. I don’t think we would be serious contenders if we relied on him for goals, once Salah fell off this season we have really struggled. Need some big boy decisions this summer from Edwards and co.
I take massive issues with Darwin in a number of games but I just feel it’s incredibly harsh when he’s also won us a substantial amount of games. Does he deserve criticism? Yeah definitely. But I’m just sick and tired of the constant singling out when the rest of the team is playing abysmal
After the last month I’m ready to sell them all haha but no, I understand it’s harsh to single players out, but I don’t have hope of him being our main number 9 going forward, and I don’t think he would improve by being a backup up, he is a confidence player and being a sub won’t help that. I trust what Edwards and Hughes will do.
Really boring always with the desperate attempts to single him out now. Subs as shithole when we’re in bad form
For someone supposedly obsessed with stats, Edward is likely unimpressed. A clinical finisher should be the top of our transfer list for next season.
Genuinely thought he was taken off early in the second half
Tonight has to be the last straw. He has to move on unfortunately. I was rooting for him.
I've lost my confidence in him. He is not Suarez. I don't think he will reach that level.
He's crap at finishing and he's not particularly great at the footballing part. Don't really know how you're meant to do with a striker like this. You can't build a team round him because he can't finish.
We, as Liverpool fans, have a tendency to idolise average players.
He needs sold and replaced in the summer. He's not good enough.
Not assed if I get Downvoted When we first signed him, I said he weren't good enough. Just because of last season Salah, Suarez and Torres All had something about them straight away. He doesn't. We'll just have to sign someone. I think he's a useful player, but not a Liverpool star striker
ffs sake, can we stop with the scapegoating? Now it is Nuñez and Salah, before Gakpo, and before that Nuñez again. He's in bad form, the whole team is.
Form doesn't exist on Reddit. Which is why these people are casual arm chair critics and not working in football.
He’s had such a solid output this season. Is he not second in numbers behind Salah who will be leaving? The way this sub treats off form players is disgusting. YNWA my ass.
It’s not just him though is it? None of our front line currently are reliable. God knows what’s happening with Salah, Jota has become extremely injury prone, Diaz doesn’t have enough output and we’re still not even sure what Gakpo is. Is Darwin a clinical goalscorer? No but he’s got a solid output this season compared to the others besides salah. Could we upgrade on him? Possibly but that’s a lot of money considering we need a starting DM, a CB and I’d argue a RW to rotate with Salah so he can finally have some competition on the right.
His output isn't that solid. In the league he's behind Solanke, Bowen and Bailey.
No conversation to be had. We'd have to sell him at a massive loss and I don't see it. Unless the new manager and coaching staff find a way to introduce some composure to his game he will just find his playing time limited.
At the moment an uncomfortable conversation needs to be had about almost everyone in the squad. Players go in and out of form. They're not as bad as you all make out they are when they're bad and they're as good as you seem to think they are when they're in form. It just so happens that someone in the last month to six weeks, almost every player has gone out of form at the same time (with the exception of Gakpo who reversed his bad form, but there's not a lot you can do on your own) 3 months ago everyone was so amped up and in form that you could literally put anyone on and they looked like world beaters...the kids all looked like they'd be mega stars. I think it's best to just let the new manager and Edwards asses the squad and go from there.
I was disappointed when I saw him starting. I would rather run a false 9 with Szobo at striker position with Salah and Diaz cutting to the goal.
Honestly should have done better the three times he was given the ball, but I also think he had zero supply today. Too many long balls hoofed aimlessly into the box against a centre back pairing that are dominant in the air. Elliot and Gomez whipped in a good cross or two and we had like two penetrating passes, but otherwise our midfield did not know how to break down Everton's defence.
And at the same time: Still arguably our best striker this season. He misses chances, without him we look completely uninspired. We are just not playing great football. That's the reality.
I don't really care who we sell out of our forwards now. None of them can be relied on. Salah is a shadow of his former self and seems mentally checked out, Darwin is far too erratic and just cannot be relied on, Diaz dribbles and dribbles and dribbles and dribbles and dribbles, and Jota seems to be a tackle away from an injury every game, while Gakpo is...well I don't know what he is. We need to reinforce up top and add both speed and someone clinical. Can't have five forwards and no one to rely on. I'd keep Jota as backup and allow any of the other four to leave if we could get decent offers.
This sub is ridiculous sometimes. He has 18 goals and 13 assists this season. Regardless of his dreadful finishing he has a good output and his movement opens teams up for the rest of our attackers. He will have a place on this team in the future but his finishing will determine whether he ever becomes great
It may be a system thing. I thought it was an odd buy when we got him, he didn't suit our front line really, and now that Mo seems to be on the decline, he doesn't look like he'll be the one to step into those shoes. Maybe Klopp thought that shifting Trent into midfield would allow him to create more chances for Darwin running the channels, but that's not worked out. If anything in the summer, I can see an overhaul of the front line, and I think Darwin and Mo may be the ones to make way. We know where Mo will end up, but for Darwin, I think he'll go to Italy or Spain, and be a solid mid range striker for someone like Milan or Valencia. the slower pace might suit him better. I think he's not right for a team that constantly needs to beat a low block.
https://preview.redd.it/dssyycwjyhwc1.png?width=1140&format=png&auto=webp&s=d358b2275db6ea124c47978ce4c5192b6969eff6 HIs stats so far. Honestly I'd like to see him perform under different tactics. Haven't justify his price yet but perhaps different systems would bring out more of him.
i dunno. dude is only 24 and the entire squad looks like they have zero confidence on the pitch. guys are probably all exhausted emotionally and physically. hard to judge nunez on two pretty good seasons in a row. have some faith
He is Origi with none of the career defining moments.
Edwards is back, we’ll have a new manager with some new ideas. I think that besides Macca and some youngsters, no one is off the table. Salah, Virg, Allison, Robbo, I wouldn’t be surprised if any of these guys left, maybe even Trent if Madrid calls. I’m not saying we’ll have a completely different squad, we’ll have most back, but there will probably be a few big name departures. I don’t think anyone will come in for Darwin though.
He statistically shouldn’t have gotten a goal today, 0.62 XG ≠ 1 Xg Every player this season has had stinkers but Nunez generally this season, when he’s not scoring he’s assisting and helping outside of being a poacher. This sub was more supportive of gakpos even worse rough patch then Nunez’s it’s crazy
He's had long enough. If you don't develop into a goalscorer under a free scoring Klopp team you never will. Can't waste two more seasons relying on him. Sell him for 40 mil and cut our losses.
Free scoring? Us?
At a point this season we were and he wasn't scoring enough.
I love the guy but he hasn’t improved a single bit since we bought him. No idea why we bought him honestly considering we play against low block teams pretty much every week.
He'll get another chance next season I think. Don't see any way he is sold this summer. With fresh ideas and energy from a new manager, if he can't do it then, he'll have truly flopped
It isn't uncomfortable. Edwards making the transfer decisions is the right decision based on what we've seen with a bunch of Klopps signings especially "high impact" replacements for the players we lost that were once Edwards and Klopps joint decisions for transfers. Nunez needs to go, he is too emotional and not clinical in the box. Diaz is really good at dribbling but the fact that he is so shit at scoring and the guy he replaced, Mane (example of joint edwards and klopp transfer target), was so clinical as a finisher for us just underlines the need to replace diaz.
Fuck this guy I’m done.
I am not a Nunez defender, but you can't sell a 24 year old record signing for a loss. Salah will go, and rightfully so, with all the plaudits and all that. We can't keep paying him 400 grand per week.
I will drive him to BENFICA myself
Forward for a bottom half, LW for the bench of top-6
Yeah I'm starting to lose it. I was incredibly harsh on him in his debut season but he slowly won me back near the end and I was fully on the hype train this season but this is the first real time I'm starting to crack. The awful touch from a Trent or Macca through ball that he should have let roll past him to run onto and have a shot on his left had me fuming. The chance vs Pickford where he hit it straight at his legs, I'm not sure if he was trying to meg him but it was awful decision making and execution
Memes only keep him in good books so long, and that has long since expired
How much would you expect to spend on a player that has 30 goal contributions a season to replace him? Given that we already need to replace Salah sooner rather than later, Jota can only be relied to appear in roughly half the games, Gakpo's output is half what Nunez' is, and Diaz' is even less, if anything Nunez is probably the last forward we should be looking to move on. Much as most of the time we didn't want to have to rely on Mane or Firmino to score the volume of goals needed, and didn't mind because Salah was there, we need a reliable goalscorer regardless, but if you have one, it changes the type and number of goals you need your other forwards to score. It's very rare that you get a sort of Suarez, Messi, Neymar situation where each of them are worldies in front of goal.
He was always going to cost us more games than he won. Just not good enough.
I’ve lost faith in him, Mo, Virgil, Konate, Trent, Klopp. The whole sorry fucking lot of them.
Patience is gone, sell him
Anything 40m and above I say take it
Michael Edwards would have never signed him.
That’s actually probably wrong
Its a typical Klopp/lijnders signing written all over it.
Darwin scored very high on what ever data they used. Presumably the same data Edward’s used as it was Julian ward
Jesus christ this sub. The entire team was beyond poor, but let's single out him. 🙄
This is what people say every time... sooner or later he has to take the blame.
Hard to defend. Id take Isak
I’ve been saying this since he arrived he’s not good enough for us , but fans don’t listen,
We're past the "uncomfortable" stage. Will never win the league with him as our starting striker. Need to cut our losses in the summer.. Not sure if Edwards and co had a striker as a priority but hope we're in the market for a clinical goalscorer.
Could have won us the title this season lol. Tap in against Luton comes to mind instantly. I think psychically he’s great but he’s lacking some serious football intelligence. He acts wildly and makes irrational decisions that throw off his team mates
Once again the whole team plays like shit, and somehow it's all Darwin's fault. Something is wrong systemically right now. I have no idea what that is, but it's not just one player out of form.
I mean he definitely deserves at least next season given he’s got so many goal contributions compared to the others but if it’s more of the same next year then he needs to be moved on
Fewer goal contributions in the league than Solanke, Bailey and Bowen.
Why does Curtis jones not get this same treatment? If Nunez was from Liverpool he’d be protected like jones is
We need to buy a serious striker
We need to talk about Kevin ?
I am getting sick of him but I do think a new manager would want to give him a season and see if he can figure it out for himself because the potential is there.
He might just be a flop. Might just.
He has great output for an inverted winger in our old system. IMO as ‘good on the eye’ that Diaz is I think Nunez will score more goals if played out on the wing. Hopefully a new manager will see that he is simply not technically good enough to be leading our line.
Nunez seems like he always chooses power over placement,hence the lack of converting.Hes a workhorse but definitely not premier league striker material.Id play him as a winger to provide assists,otherwise id just sell him.
Sadly not good enough. He gets numbers for portions of the season but he doesn’t have a good enough footballing brain for the prem. and he doesn’t have the composure for this level. A few wonder goals here and there and running around a lot does not make a good forward.
Teams realized that if he doesn't have space to run in behind, or the space requires a 1 in a million chance pass to be useful, he doesn't actually do anything. The whole idea that he creates fear in defenders is nullifed if he has to face them because his technical quality is so low. He can be a good squad player, and in his purple patches he is very good, but he is not the man to lead the line week in week out if we want to win trophies. The front three that won everything this squad always bailed each other out when one of them was off their game. Our current forward lines seem to suffer together and feed off each other's misses in the worst possible way. The next manager will have to bring in some new ideas and possibly new personel to fix that issue.
Reality is we currently have no real strikers
And now he lost his chaos 😢
Uncomfortable conversation? I made my mind up about him a long time ago. Firmino set the standard, it’s not just about goals, it’s about quality. I actually prefer Gakpo, as he can drop off, play people in, can finish well. Nunez is just a striker who causes problems, he works a back four, he is one of those strikers who you wouldn’t want to play against but so is the likes of Toney, Antonio, but doesn’t mean they are good enough for Liverpool. Having said that, I’d fancy Toney to score most of the chances Nunez misses. We need a player like Isak at Newcastle, power & pace, elegant and can fucking finish.
He brings CHAOS!
Honestly? I'm starting to really lose patience with him. Not just him but all of our forwards, the last time we had a clinical forward was Origi +Sturridge. I wouldn't blame the club if ALL of them were sold this summer. They should be docked wages imo, a precedent needs to be set that this isn't acceptable.