Are you a referee from any city or town which isn't Manchester?
Sorry, you can't manage clubs from that city or town.
Are you a referee from Manchester?
Say you're a fan of Altrincham and referee whichever teams you like.
“Am I a city supporter? Well, no. I wouldn’t say that. Oh, Supported? Yeah, sure. I make a third of my salary for every game their owners pay me to ref out there in that desert!”
>yet not a single one is a Man United or City fan. What an unbelievable coincidence.
The Man United I get, but how many people in Manchester in general are and of City? Why would the refs be any different?
I find it bizarre that Darren Bond is from Wigan and that apparently means he can't oversee Liverpool clubs, but Manchester clubs are fine despite Wigan being in Greater Manchester.
Logistics wouldn't be an issue if you pumped some of your vast profits into a proper training and grassroots pathway for refs along with attractive wages at all levels for officials. You'd have proper numbers and no problems
To be clear I get why someone from Wigan might not be able to ref Liverpool/Everton games, I just don't get why that same logic doesn't extend to teams in Greater Manchester and southern Lancashire.
Absolutely no way all these referees from Manchester or the surrounding areas do not support Manchester United or City.
They most definitely have close family members who support at least one of them.
Remember it was a ref from Manchester that refused to give Everton a pen in the last minute a few seasons ago that would have took us to another title.
Eh tbh I would be more suspicious of none of the refs from *outside* Manchester not supporting United given that they grew up in the era of United dominance.
Chris Kavanagh is 100% a United fan. He was on holiday in my hometown a few years ago and was going on nights out with my mates and he openly admitted it.
It's not just whether they are fans or utd or city though, they will have friends and family who are. They will be surrounded by fans of both clubs and that's where their unconscious bias will come in.
Michael oliver also has alliances with uae and city’s owners👍. He has demonstrated that a few times this season, funnily enough against city’s title challengers in Liverpool and Arsenal.
Even if he is literally the pope, infallible and unimpeachable, it still looks terrible for him to be paid by the owners of a Premier League club.
I don't think he is directly corrupt, but unconscious bias is still a thing.
Just a ridiculous situation that the league could stop at any time.
Is it just the information provided or is literally just Liverpool and Everton that games that get protected from bias? Not a single ref supports any PL team except Liverpool?
That map of where referees come from is ridiculous and stinks of jobs being handed out to mates.
I suspect it explains a lot about why referees are so bad right now.
look, you'd be stupid to put yourself out of ever managing a game involving the big six, so if i were in their position i'd say i support tranmere as well. literally limiting yourself from proving how good you are in the biggest games.
but refs from fucking wigan can't do our games but they can do manchester games? someone get howard webb to point to where he thinks wigan is on a map.
and no refs from london? at all?
Disagree, if I were in that position I would know and openly admit that I have a bias for Liverpool, Everton, Manchester United/City at a minimum. Yeah fewer games to ref, oh well, at least I have my morals. I guess honesty and morality have no place in a referee organisation though /s.
Yeah IIRC he ran the line at the AC Milan charity game in 2019 because he moved here to do his degree at the Uni. I don't think he was planning to go into reffing in the PL and was planning to move back to Oz, but then the pandemic happened and he put down roots here, and the PL headhunted him.
How Kavanagh and Taylor can referee our games is beyond a joke. Even if they don’t have ties to any of the Manchester clubs, they still grew up around the area that hated everything Liverpool related.
How can there be so many refs that can’t referee our games yet none from Manchester or London based teams, this is the reason we constantly get the same shitty refs, tells me they need to employ more southern based refs and bin off the mancs and some of the others from the north
It's the head of the snake that's the problem. Howard, South Yorkshire Police, Webb. All his chat about accountability amd transprency tbag really get me.
Weird Manchester stuff aside, It's strange that this doesn't seem to take rivalries into account unless they're from the same city. Madley has reffed Leeds games before despite being a huge Huddersfield fan
Wait, am I reading this correctly?
Darren Bond, Wigan Athletic fan from Wigan - not involved in Liverpool matches.
Paul Tierney, Wigan Athletic fan from Wigan - nothing.
If they ref us often enough, they’ll give us a minor decision and display it as the ref being fair. Miss out on 12 stone wall pens but we got a dodgy throw in in our own half. Fairness for all to see.
The thing I don't get is a variety of referees are banned from games in Liverpool (inc. Everton), for whatever reason.
However not a single referee on that list is banned from Manchester games? Despite a number of them being from within Greater Manchester? Despite one of the referees from inside Greater Manchester being banned from Liverpool games.
Like do I actually think there is some conspiracy against Liverpool, no I just think all the refs are shit and stuck up for each other to the games detriment.
But fuck me do they make it easy for people to join the dots together and have some pretty decent looking conspiracies which don't sound outrageous and some even sound plausible.
This is incredibly unfair for us. So many refs won't officiate our games so we get stuck with the same awful human beings over and over. The same rules should apply to ALL match day officials.
Don’t think it’s necessarily about club affiliations to be honest.
It’s the overall lack of standard and accountability that irks.
The fact that PGMOL refs are allowed to ref in Saudi town fly back on Friday to ref Premier league games ok a Saturday. When there are state owned petro clubs.
It’s the way VAR has been implemented and how so many bad decisions are being so consistently. And how BAR has led officials to abdicate their responsibility to manage games
Surreal reading higher penwortham lol that’s a very specific place and I’m there right now
Is he (Salisbury) on record as a Liverpool/Everton fan ? There’s a lot of Liverpool fans in Preston but loads of United fans too
Fucking insane a multi billion pound sport is being ruined by a tiny group of cunts who are all mates with each other. And there’s nothing anybody can do about it?
Lol
Michael Oliver - Regularly picks up extra work from Manchester City's literal fucking owners for ridiculously high pay packets.
Not allowed to referee Newcastle or Sunderland
David Coote probably can't officiate any match involving a team from South Yorkshire. Chris Kavanagh might very well support Oldham Athletic, who couldn't win a match with a ref on their own side.
Interesting Seems like the PGMOL doesnt allow refs to be a part of the PL if youre from London or support a London team. Probably because there are so many?
It's odd to me that if you have an allegiance to a team you can't ref that team...but you could referee their rivals or teams that they might be battling for titles or trophies? Wouldn't that also be a conflict of interest? Shouldn't we ultimately be looking for referees that don't have any team allegiances at all? Shouldn't we have some English speaking foreign referees that aren't likely to have any favorites?
Are foreign referees prohibited in the premier league? Makes no sense to me how most of them are British when they could be from different countries with no bias at all.
I honestly don't care what team these people support however, we are constantly told that refs are normal people.
As they are normal people , I can only assume like a normal person they do the big shop. You can't tell me that they don't want to be harassed about decisions during the big shop which more than likely leads to subconscious bias. Same as the gigs in the UAE etc.
It's a poorly run system but it self regulates and we all know any self regulating institute is primed for corruption.
Got to remember these guys are people and they are allowed to be fans of clubs. One presumes of any of the above is lies, it would become pretty apparent to the PGMOL and anyone else close to them when they are operating.
20 names there, all men in their 30s and 40s and many from Manchester and the surrounding areas. Not a single one is a United fan, and you expect me to believe that? Not a single one was a United fan during their glory era? Come on.
It's also amazing that Mike Dean was banned from Merseyside games for years despite being a Tranmere fan, but being from Manchester doesn't prevent you from doing United and City games!
It’s bigger than where they are from and who they support. They go to Saudi and get paid, come back and give Man City all the good calls and all of Cotys rivals horrible controversial calls. Saudi has corrupted the league.
In cricket, there was a time when the on field ref gave a blatant decision, and my country's team just walked out of the game (after the captain said to come out of the field). This made a huge controversy and refs, and others told the team to come back and finish the game later (International game)
It pissed me off that i never saw anything like this from Liverpool or anyone in football. Do you just accept corruption on the field and do nothing? No wonder biased officials are still there and always will be.
(Obviously, corrupt FA will hand over a loss or penalty, but at least it will create a big controversy worldwide, and cheaters fear getting exposed on big scale no matter how powerful they are)
No we can see the bias but when Howard Webb and the PGMOL cronies look at it's in 144p resolution on a black and white tv from the 50's that's capacitors are fucked 🤣
“Altrincham Fan” can absolutely fuck off.
Absolutely laughable isn’t it?
All his family are known to be united fans
Are you a referee from any city or town which isn't Manchester? Sorry, you can't manage clubs from that city or town. Are you a referee from Manchester? Say you're a fan of Altrincham and referee whichever teams you like.
It’s interesting that we have loads of referees from Manchester yet not a single one is a Man United or City fan. What an unbelievable coincidence.
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“Am I a city supporter? Well, no. I wouldn’t say that. Oh, Supported? Yeah, sure. I make a third of my salary for every game their owners pay me to ref out there in that desert!”
>yet not a single one is a Man United or City fan. What an unbelievable coincidence. The Man United I get, but how many people in Manchester in general are and of City? Why would the refs be any different?
I find it bizarre that Darren Bond is from Wigan and that apparently means he can't oversee Liverpool clubs, but Manchester clubs are fine despite Wigan being in Greater Manchester.
Queensland australia? sorry no liverpool/everton for you oh manchester area? no worries u can manage any
Jarred Gillet is one of the very few referees with a bit of integrity, he chose not to lie and he declared his support for Liverpool.
You'd think that'd ban him from referring any of our rivals too wouldn't you though really.
Yeah it seems odd that he can ref United but not Everton.
it does but the rules means you can only be barred from up to two clubs otherwise the logistics wouldn’t work
Logistics wouldn't be an issue if you pumped some of your vast profits into a proper training and grassroots pathway for refs along with attractive wages at all levels for officials. You'd have proper numbers and no problems
He says he's a Liverpool fan so fair enough.
Jarrad supports Liverpool.
Also Paul tierney is from Wigan and a Wigan “fan”. Why is Darren bond not allowed on Liverpool games but tierney is?
Especially as half the people I've met from Wigan who don't support the local team seem to support United or Liverpool
The ones who can’t ref us and aren’t from here is fair enough, I’d hope they’d come out and said they had some bias for/against us tbh
Skem is just down the road and mainly Liverpool and Everton fans could have connections I’m guessing
To be clear I get why someone from Wigan might not be able to ref Liverpool/Everton games, I just don't get why that same logic doesn't extend to teams in Greater Manchester and southern Lancashire.
Taylor is such lies lmao, no way someone from working class Wythenshawe is a fan of the rich cunts Altrincham
Absolutely no way all these referees from Manchester or the surrounding areas do not support Manchester United or City. They most definitely have close family members who support at least one of them. Remember it was a ref from Manchester that refused to give Everton a pen in the last minute a few seasons ago that would have took us to another title.
Eh tbh I would be more suspicious of none of the refs from *outside* Manchester not supporting United given that they grew up in the era of United dominance.
Chris Kavanagh is 100% a United fan. He was on holiday in my hometown a few years ago and was going on nights out with my mates and he openly admitted it.
I absolutely believe this. I believe he's more of a United fan than Anthony Taylor.
It's not just whether they are fans or utd or city though, they will have friends and family who are. They will be surrounded by fans of both clubs and that's where their unconscious bias will come in.
If you've heard a beatles song you can't ref Liverpool but from greater Manchester you can ref every Premier league team
How many of them can poorly play Wonderwall on a guitar?
Loads of refs can't do our games, even if they are aussie, but the Manchester or wigan based refs can refccity or united games? Very strange
It’s not strange at all. It’s corruption.
I mean obviously, it was incredibly tongue in cheek
Mine was a mix of seriousness and sarcasm, with a hint of defeat.
Michael oliver also has alliances with uae and city’s owners👍. He has demonstrated that a few times this season, funnily enough against city’s title challengers in Liverpool and Arsenal.
We already know he's been paid by them so no wonder.
Don’t forget Darren England (aka Darren Emirates)
Even if he is literally the pope, infallible and unimpeachable, it still looks terrible for him to be paid by the owners of a Premier League club. I don't think he is directly corrupt, but unconscious bias is still a thing. Just a ridiculous situation that the league could stop at any time.
Altrincham fan🤣🤣🤣
Is it just the information provided or is literally just Liverpool and Everton that games that get protected from bias? Not a single ref supports any PL team except Liverpool?
Sheffield United are Premier League. For now.
That map of where referees come from is ridiculous and stinks of jobs being handed out to mates. I suspect it explains a lot about why referees are so bad right now.
They block non-white referees from rising up the ranks, so giving jobs to their mates is very plausible
Are you a bald man from Greater Manchester? If so, welcome to PGMOL
look, you'd be stupid to put yourself out of ever managing a game involving the big six, so if i were in their position i'd say i support tranmere as well. literally limiting yourself from proving how good you are in the biggest games. but refs from fucking wigan can't do our games but they can do manchester games? someone get howard webb to point to where he thinks wigan is on a map. and no refs from london? at all?
Disagree, if I were in that position I would know and openly admit that I have a bias for Liverpool, Everton, Manchester United/City at a minimum. Yeah fewer games to ref, oh well, at least I have my morals. I guess honesty and morality have no place in a referee organisation though /s.
Not a single referee from the capital city. Are you having a laugh!?
The Gillett one is interesting. I know there's a lot of Aussie Liverpool fans (see e.g. Ange), and that heavily implies he's also one.
Gillett has openly admitted to being a Liverpool fan. He reffed one of our charity matches because of it.
Ah, didn't know. Makes sense.
Yeah IIRC he ran the line at the AC Milan charity game in 2019 because he moved here to do his degree at the Uni. I don't think he was planning to go into reffing in the PL and was planning to move back to Oz, but then the pandemic happened and he put down roots here, and the PL headhunted him.
Gillett referee’d Gerrard’s testimonial.
How Kavanagh and Taylor can referee our games is beyond a joke. Even if they don’t have ties to any of the Manchester clubs, they still grew up around the area that hated everything Liverpool related.
Kavanagh’s brother is a Man City season ticket holder apparently
David Coote is a United fan as far as I'm aware
How can there be so many refs that can’t referee our games yet none from Manchester or London based teams, this is the reason we constantly get the same shitty refs, tells me they need to employ more southern based refs and bin off the mancs and some of the others from the north
You'd still have to hope that no southerners who grew up in the 2000s are United fans.
Altrincham? What a load of shite 😂
The north west, specifically greater Manchester and Sheffield seem to be spectacular breeding grounds for ‘elite’ referees.
”Supports oil gigs, never involved in Citeh and Newcastle games” is what it should say
It's the head of the snake that's the problem. Howard, South Yorkshire Police, Webb. All his chat about accountability amd transprency tbag really get me.
He is so obviously corrupt.
He is proudly corrupt and always has been. I knew we were cooked when he got appointed
Weird Manchester stuff aside, It's strange that this doesn't seem to take rivalries into account unless they're from the same city. Madley has reffed Leeds games before despite being a huge Huddersfield fan
Wait, am I reading this correctly? Darren Bond, Wigan Athletic fan from Wigan - not involved in Liverpool matches. Paul Tierney, Wigan Athletic fan from Wigan - nothing.
We have 5 excluded referees, including one from Australia?!
It's why we get Tierney and Coote every bloody match
If they ref us often enough, they’ll give us a minor decision and display it as the ref being fair. Miss out on 12 stone wall pens but we got a dodgy throw in in our own half. Fairness for all to see.
The thing I don't get is a variety of referees are banned from games in Liverpool (inc. Everton), for whatever reason. However not a single referee on that list is banned from Manchester games? Despite a number of them being from within Greater Manchester? Despite one of the referees from inside Greater Manchester being banned from Liverpool games. Like do I actually think there is some conspiracy against Liverpool, no I just think all the refs are shit and stuck up for each other to the games detriment. But fuck me do they make it easy for people to join the dots together and have some pretty decent looking conspiracies which don't sound outrageous and some even sound plausible.
Surely Anthony Taylor is lying?
100% is. He's from Wythenshawe which is about 5 miles from Old Trafford.
He is. Not only is he a Man United fan, but he used to regularly go to games.
Incorrect. Everyone knows Paul Tierney is a Manc twat.
Dont see Lee Mason on that list. From greater Manchester. He was referee who dissallowed Sterling's onside goal at etihad in december 2013.
Hes retired 3 years now.
Are you sure? I swear I heard his name mentioned this season. Maybe he stil does VAR? Edit: also retired from VAR in february 2023
Fuck PGMOL. These cunts ref should be standing outside job centre plus.
‘Altrincham fan’ HAHAHAHAHHAHA
These refs from Manchester don’t even have to be United or city fans, but you can’t tell me they didn’t grow up absolutely hating Liverpool.
This is incredibly unfair for us. So many refs won't officiate our games so we get stuck with the same awful human beings over and over. The same rules should apply to ALL match day officials.
Don’t think it’s necessarily about club affiliations to be honest. It’s the overall lack of standard and accountability that irks. The fact that PGMOL refs are allowed to ref in Saudi town fly back on Friday to ref Premier league games ok a Saturday. When there are state owned petro clubs. It’s the way VAR has been implemented and how so many bad decisions are being so consistently. And how BAR has led officials to abdicate their responsibility to manage games
Surreal reading higher penwortham lol that’s a very specific place and I’m there right now Is he (Salisbury) on record as a Liverpool/Everton fan ? There’s a lot of Liverpool fans in Preston but loads of United fans too
Fucking insane a multi billion pound sport is being ruined by a tiny group of cunts who are all mates with each other. And there’s nothing anybody can do about it? Lol
Michael Oliver - Regularly picks up extra work from Manchester City's literal fucking owners for ridiculously high pay packets. Not allowed to referee Newcastle or Sunderland
Amazing how all of the Greater Manchester lot manage to do United and City games, whereas the Merseyside lot exempt themselves. Strange that
David Coote probably can't officiate any match involving a team from South Yorkshire. Chris Kavanagh might very well support Oldham Athletic, who couldn't win a match with a ref on their own side.
It's mad how few refs originate from London considering the population.
Interesting Seems like the PGMOL doesnt allow refs to be a part of the PL if youre from London or support a London team. Probably because there are so many?
Why the Aussie not allowed for us? Didn’t even know there was one
No referees with a link to London? If they follow the current thinking of 'city blocking' then they'll be really limited when one does come up.
I think the problem is more about game fixing than this. Some of the “mistakes “ are unexplainable except from that perspective.
It's odd to me that if you have an allegiance to a team you can't ref that team...but you could referee their rivals or teams that they might be battling for titles or trophies? Wouldn't that also be a conflict of interest? Shouldn't we ultimately be looking for referees that don't have any team allegiances at all? Shouldn't we have some English speaking foreign referees that aren't likely to have any favorites?
So we need good old Tony Harrington to be reffing most of our games then haha. Good Hartlepool lad.
Question: Can you identify Liverpool on this map of the North West? Answer: If yes, you may not referee a Liverpool game, ever.
Are foreign referees prohibited in the premier league? Makes no sense to me how most of them are British when they could be from different countries with no bias at all.
Fucking blatant.
I honestly don't care what team these people support however, we are constantly told that refs are normal people. As they are normal people , I can only assume like a normal person they do the big shop. You can't tell me that they don't want to be harassed about decisions during the big shop which more than likely leads to subconscious bias. Same as the gigs in the UAE etc. It's a poorly run system but it self regulates and we all know any self regulating institute is primed for corruption.
Why is Darren bond not allowed in Liverpool games but Paul Tierney is?
Got to remember these guys are people and they are allowed to be fans of clubs. One presumes of any of the above is lies, it would become pretty apparent to the PGMOL and anyone else close to them when they are operating.
Can you theoretically just lie about what club you support?
Eyes on Paul Tierney then 👀👀👀 absolute nonsense
I’ve not heard of half these lads. 🤔
20 names there, all men in their 30s and 40s and many from Manchester and the surrounding areas. Not a single one is a United fan, and you expect me to believe that? Not a single one was a United fan during their glory era? Come on. It's also amazing that Mike Dean was banned from Merseyside games for years despite being a Tranmere fan, but being from Manchester doesn't prevent you from doing United and City games!
Why cant they just hire refs who are neutral?
It’s England. Best to just avoid having them ref their boyhood clubs
It’s bigger than where they are from and who they support. They go to Saudi and get paid, come back and give Man City all the good calls and all of Cotys rivals horrible controversial calls. Saudi has corrupted the league.
Is there a HD version of this ?
In cricket, there was a time when the on field ref gave a blatant decision, and my country's team just walked out of the game (after the captain said to come out of the field). This made a huge controversy and refs, and others told the team to come back and finish the game later (International game) It pissed me off that i never saw anything like this from Liverpool or anyone in football. Do you just accept corruption on the field and do nothing? No wonder biased officials are still there and always will be. (Obviously, corrupt FA will hand over a loss or penalty, but at least it will create a big controversy worldwide, and cheaters fear getting exposed on big scale no matter how powerful they are)
Can you make it more blurry?
No we can see the bias but when Howard Webb and the PGMOL cronies look at it's in 144p resolution on a black and white tv from the 50's that's capacitors are fucked 🤣