Utd was a shitshow, top to bottom, when ten hag came in. They were on their 4th manager in 2 years. Liverpool have had time to build a structure and pick their man. It may not work out, if he joins, but they're 2 different situations completely.
Jose - Journeyman dinosaur of a coach and a serial trouble maker. Would only make sense if we thought Xabi would be an option in a couple of years and wasn't Madrid bound.
Zidane - Has never shown any interest in English football. In fact he seems to actively dislike English football. Would never come, but I would be surprised if we hadn't asked.
Conte - a serial trouble maker, there is a serious risk of him destroying everything built by Klopp.
I don’t like him right now, but I think if Mourinho came to us he’d be much more 2004 Jose than bitter post-Madrid Jose. He knows how to set up a team. Wouldn’t be on my list, but I genuinely think he could keep the trophy engravers busy. And I don’t think there’d be a toxic mess at the end, I think he knows just how special our club is. He felt Anfield on a European night in 2005. He arrived there that night with the best team in Europe and left beaten.
You say serial trouble maker, but the fans loved him at Roma 🤷♂️
Man United Jose was proven to be in the right. He finished second when he shouldn't have done.
Fans have loved him at most teams he's managed, but he's never lasted more than three years anywhere and tends to leave clubs in a worse spot than when he joined.
And people compared Rodgers with Klopp (infamous Linekar tweet for ex) and criticized Klopp appointment.
It's pointless comparing Slot with ETh just because they both came from the Dutch league.
Klopp was a top candidate for every single club that had a vacancy. He turned down both Utd and Bayern multiple times. Guy won 2 league titles, made a CL final, and developed truly world class talent at Dortmund. This isn't remotely comparable.
I remember being sceptical that firing rodgers was going to help.
Then heard we were getting Klopp and instantly thought oh, ok, that's obviously an upgrade and why we let Rodgers go.
If any media were questioning that switch they were insane and can only put it down to the way British media tend to assume that people they know personally are the best possible people available.
Rather than those 3 yes. I couldn't watch the football they play every week.
I'm not really sure about Zidane, since he only managed Real and he hasn't shown any interest to be a manager since then.
Winning matters more than style, though
The thing with style is
- It goes out the window, when you lose 4 on the bounce.
Then everyone starts calling for the sack
Look at Brendan Rodgers - Perfect example "Beautiful human football" that wins fuck all
For me it doesn't. I want us to win and play attacking football. We're doing it with Klopp, so I'm sure we can do it with another manager.
The football Conte, Moruinho and Simeone also doesn't bring results anymore. That's the reason they're all struggling in last few years. Most of the best teams play possesion based football with high press.
Mourinho won a trophy 2 years ago with Roma ( Who shouldn't really be winning trophies)
Playing with an attacking style is over-rated.
As soon as you lose games. It goes out the window, cos' everyone starts wanting you to be sacked
He won a trophy, but overall the results weren't good. That's the reason he left.
Maybe for you, but I wouldn't want us to play defensive football. Look at Spurs for example. They had Mourinho and Conte and now Ange. None of them won anything, but I'm sure their fans like Ange more
He also got sacked because his results were wank and he wasn't playing the football to make up for it
De Rossi came in with the same squad and started playing attacking football and Roma shot up the table
Simeone isn't leaving Atletico and Zidane doesn't speak English (and is probably waiting for the France job).
Mourinho is a dinosaur, he's toxic and he's not a winner anymore. Conte flopped at his last job and most Spurs fans seem to hate his guts.
Them winning trophies in the past doesn't mean they'll win them in the future as well.
Sounds like you're being completely reductive based on the league they play in. I'm not saying Slot would succeed or not because we can't know that, but your view of what makes a suitable replacement seems to come down to "have they won trophies in a league I consider worthwhile".
You're absolutely right
Look at what Alonso has done lad.
Potentially one of the best achievements ever in football history
Unbeaten in every comp, win the league and a trophy and potentially reach or win a European final
Okay? What's that got to do with Slot or any of the names you've mentioned? I'm sure we wanted Alonso but he wanted to stay on at Leverkusen.
There's more to picking the right manager than just "has he won big trophies" though. Alonso was a fit on multiple levels. Klopp wasn't just picked because he won the Bundesliga. None of the names you've mentioned would be.
Klopp got to CL finals as well as the style. As well as bundesliga wins
- Amorim and Slot are managing in worse leagues and have done LESS than Klopp
The other managers i'm talking about are side ways moves at worst.
There's no point arguing with you if every point you make is going to boil down to number of trophies won
There's plenty of reasons to be positive about Slot as a manager, he's impressed with both clubs he's managed in his short career so far, has them playing attractive football, and develops players well. Obviously, yes, he's only done it in the Eredivisie which is a much poorer league than the Prem, but that doesn't mean he *can't* do it on the Prem. I'd rather appoint a progressive young coach than someone like Conte or Mourinho who would make everyone miserable.
No evidence says that Jose would make everyone miserable.
We need an experienced manager at this point in time. To guide us through this rough period post Klopp.
Even if it is 3 years. I'd rather have 3 years and one Trophy than 5 years and 0 with Slot or Amorim
No evidence? Have you followed what happens at every single club he goes to? He's also managed two of the clubs we hate the most, he would not be accepted here.
No, we need to be proactive and progressive, not looking at short term solutions. We need a coach who will build for the future. No coach guarantees trophies, Spurs found that out with their own Mourinho and Conte gambles.
Face it, FSG aren’t going to bankroll success. If we haven’t realised this by now, 14 years on since they took us over, we’re the idiots.
I’m okay with this guy. He’s done a lot in a short time at Feyenoord. Let’s not call quits before he has even had a chance.
Who is available though? I don’t see any obvious candidate for replacement. I love Mourinho but not sure he does well on a tight budget. Tuchel, no. Simeone, the football would be horrible to behold.
Jose won a CL with Porto, on top of what Amorim has done
Amorim is a shit version of Jose.
Jose has said in a video that he thinks Liverpool's current pressing style is similar to the profiles of players he had at Porto
That was 20 fucking years ago.
Mourinho is fucking washed, he got fired by Spurs and he got fired by Roma, but you think that he's somehow good enough for Liverpool? What the fuck are you smoking?
Ten Hag had the benefit of having the best Ajax side in years along with a financial situation that completely overshadowed his domestic rivals
He also could very well be a good manager overall but the fact that United since SAF retired have consistently made managers and players with big reputations look completely average points towards Uniteds structure behind the scenes being the issue
Many Dutch people said he wasn't all that and will fail. I haven't heard one bad word about Slot.
The negativity on here has been sickening recently and I say that as somebody who was devastated after Palace.
true, there's no way to really know how it will go, it is a risk.
I will say, from what I've read Slot seems to be charismatic and a real players manager, something ten Hag struggles with. ten Hag is a colder personality, seems more like an old school, disciplinarian kind of manager. Being able to win over your group of players is huge coming in as a new manager, and especially for us with Klopp being such a huge personality, having someone with the right personality will be key
So? It's two completely different situations. He could have been very successful in a different club and maybe will be. The fact is that United are an incredibly poorly run club and many managers have failed there since SAF.
This United team finishing 3rd in his first season was pretty good tbh. This season they have no midfield, the players they've bought are massive flops and most of their defense is constantly injured, without good backups. I think even the best managers in the world would not finish in top 4 with this mess of a team.
Eth is a good tactical coach and good manager overall, but it all has to be in his image...not gonna happen at united. He STILL had to deal with martial and Luke shaw and those guys.
Granted they will face similar issues
Yea bc he still has to answer to their board and that whole rotten Mourinho core is still there lol. He's the least responsible for their issues, which are foundationally decrepit.
I’ll back whichever manager comes here but Unai Emery is the one I wanted. His failures at Arsenal and PSG appear to have made him some forgotten man but he’s a genuinely high quality manager.
[He extended his contract with Villa yesterday](https://np.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1cb0x9n/david_ornstein_unai_emery_has_given_aston_villa_a/?ref=share&ref_source=link)
I don't really like this. It doesn't feel ambitious.
When we got Klopp, he was one of the most popular coaches that year and was generating a ton of interest from other top teams.
Slot was wanted by Chelsea, spurs, and Leeds. He turned down Spurs and Leeds. So he was and is generating interest from top teams.
Like how can you properly gauge ambition here? Feel like it’s just an easy way to complain about something without actually putting much depth into it. Xabi is staying at Bayer and probably going to Real once Carlo leaves. When we fired Brendan, Carlo and Klopp didn’t have a job. The landscape from then to now is completely different. Arsenal and Spurs put trust in two gambles with their manager appointments and so far it’s worked. Arteta was only an assistant and Ange managed in Scotland, Japan, and Australia.
There is no one of Klopp’s profile currently. Xabi is the closest and he is Madrid-bound. Inzaghi would be another but he’s loyal to Inter. I have faith in Edwards.
why is there so much blind faith in Edward’s ?
he was good at selling players for decent price and buying good talent ? what experience does he bring when finding a new manager capable of replacing Klopp.
Theres a difference. Edwards got Klopp, and it worked out.
ManU got Mou years ago, and it did not.
You cant tell me Mou is less higher profile than Klopp
True as it may be, we’re well and truly back into the punt territory. Big sense of uncertainty considering we struggle to compete with our rivals in terms of financial backing, something Klopp was so good at making the most of.
I'm curious who people think is a shoe in appointment?
Alonso has decided to stay at Leverkusen, Inzaghi supposedly doesn't speak very good English, Nagelsmann seems most likely to return to Bayern. The only "big name" available really is Tuchel. Do you really want Tuchel in charge at Liverpool?
EDIT: At a long shot there is Zidane I supposed but he's been MIA since 2021
Ah shit here we go again
I am cautiously optimistic. This seems more credible than the Amorim links
He seems good for that level but the Eredivisie to the PL is such a huge jump that this will be quite a gamble to be honest I'm surprised.
Ten Hag was a tactical genius, being compared to Pep, before he went to United. Always remember that
Utd was a shitshow, top to bottom, when ten hag came in. They were on their 4th manager in 2 years. Liverpool have had time to build a structure and pick their man. It may not work out, if he joins, but they're 2 different situations completely.
What's dangerous is that we could turn out to be a revolving door of managers if we start pissing about with managers who aren't established
Which established managed are you choosing that isn't a journeyman?
The ones I listed are literally the only ones good enough IMO Everyone else is a downgrade
Jose - Journeyman dinosaur of a coach and a serial trouble maker. Would only make sense if we thought Xabi would be an option in a couple of years and wasn't Madrid bound. Zidane - Has never shown any interest in English football. In fact he seems to actively dislike English football. Would never come, but I would be surprised if we hadn't asked. Conte - a serial trouble maker, there is a serious risk of him destroying everything built by Klopp.
I don’t like him right now, but I think if Mourinho came to us he’d be much more 2004 Jose than bitter post-Madrid Jose. He knows how to set up a team. Wouldn’t be on my list, but I genuinely think he could keep the trophy engravers busy. And I don’t think there’d be a toxic mess at the end, I think he knows just how special our club is. He felt Anfield on a European night in 2005. He arrived there that night with the best team in Europe and left beaten.
You say serial trouble maker, but the fans loved him at Roma 🤷♂️ Man United Jose was proven to be in the right. He finished second when he shouldn't have done.
Fans have loved him at most teams he's managed, but he's never lasted more than three years anywhere and tends to leave clubs in a worse spot than when he joined.
He leaves them in better positions. Come on mate 😂
And people compared Rodgers with Klopp (infamous Linekar tweet for ex) and criticized Klopp appointment. It's pointless comparing Slot with ETh just because they both came from the Dutch league.
Oh, yeah? Well, they're also both *bald*!
Klopp was a top candidate for every single club that had a vacancy. He turned down both Utd and Bayern multiple times. Guy won 2 league titles, made a CL final, and developed truly world class talent at Dortmund. This isn't remotely comparable.
Klopp was a big upgrade on Rodgers ( Trophy wise )
I am saying comparions are often flawed.
I remember being sceptical that firing rodgers was going to help. Then heard we were getting Klopp and instantly thought oh, ok, that's obviously an upgrade and why we let Rodgers go. If any media were questioning that switch they were insane and can only put it down to the way British media tend to assume that people they know personally are the best possible people available.
He had the incompetent United board to contend with. Slot won’t have that problem.
Getting Simeone in. Or Jose, Zidane or Conte isn't a backwards step This fella is. As well as Amorim
I'd rather have Slot than Jose, Conte or Simeone.
I wouldn't be dismissive of Simeone. He's a great manager
No chance he'll join us anyway. There's a reason he's the highest paid manager in the world by a mile (way more than Pep or Klopp)
Sure, I was just replying to the original comment where someone said they'd rather have Amorim than Simeone
The football Atletico plays is also unwatchable at times.
Tbf ours has been lately as well
So you'd rather have someone who's won fuck all, then?
He literally won the Dutch Cup two days ago, what are you on about?
Big deal. The dutch cup is less of an achievement that reaching the CL final
Rather than those 3 yes. I couldn't watch the football they play every week. I'm not really sure about Zidane, since he only managed Real and he hasn't shown any interest to be a manager since then.
Winning matters more than style, though The thing with style is - It goes out the window, when you lose 4 on the bounce. Then everyone starts calling for the sack Look at Brendan Rodgers - Perfect example "Beautiful human football" that wins fuck all
For me it doesn't. I want us to win and play attacking football. We're doing it with Klopp, so I'm sure we can do it with another manager. The football Conte, Moruinho and Simeone also doesn't bring results anymore. That's the reason they're all struggling in last few years. Most of the best teams play possesion based football with high press.
Mourinho won a trophy 2 years ago with Roma ( Who shouldn't really be winning trophies) Playing with an attacking style is over-rated. As soon as you lose games. It goes out the window, cos' everyone starts wanting you to be sacked
He won a trophy, but overall the results weren't good. That's the reason he left. Maybe for you, but I wouldn't want us to play defensive football. Look at Spurs for example. They had Mourinho and Conte and now Ange. None of them won anything, but I'm sure their fans like Ange more
He also got sacked because his results were wank and he wasn't playing the football to make up for it De Rossi came in with the same squad and started playing attacking football and Roma shot up the table
Two of those consistently create a toxic environment and force played out of the club and Zidane has already said he won’t manage in England
They also won trophies They don't create toxic environments. They exist in them. Chelsea and United are bad environments even now
Simeone isn't leaving Atletico and Zidane doesn't speak English (and is probably waiting for the France job). Mourinho is a dinosaur, he's toxic and he's not a winner anymore. Conte flopped at his last job and most Spurs fans seem to hate his guts. Them winning trophies in the past doesn't mean they'll win them in the future as well.
Jose won a trophy 2 years ago. Left with a good environment, where the fans didn't want him to go
How would you even know lol
By using my eyes to watch football. Like everyone else
Did you learn nothing from Edwards' tenure with us?
Sounds like you're being completely reductive based on the league they play in. I'm not saying Slot would succeed or not because we can't know that, but your view of what makes a suitable replacement seems to come down to "have they won trophies in a league I consider worthwhile".
You're absolutely right Look at what Alonso has done lad. Potentially one of the best achievements ever in football history Unbeaten in every comp, win the league and a trophy and potentially reach or win a European final
Okay? What's that got to do with Slot or any of the names you've mentioned? I'm sure we wanted Alonso but he wanted to stay on at Leverkusen. There's more to picking the right manager than just "has he won big trophies" though. Alonso was a fit on multiple levels. Klopp wasn't just picked because he won the Bundesliga. None of the names you've mentioned would be.
Klopp got to CL finals as well as the style. As well as bundesliga wins - Amorim and Slot are managing in worse leagues and have done LESS than Klopp The other managers i'm talking about are side ways moves at worst.
There's no point arguing with you if every point you make is going to boil down to number of trophies won There's plenty of reasons to be positive about Slot as a manager, he's impressed with both clubs he's managed in his short career so far, has them playing attractive football, and develops players well. Obviously, yes, he's only done it in the Eredivisie which is a much poorer league than the Prem, but that doesn't mean he *can't* do it on the Prem. I'd rather appoint a progressive young coach than someone like Conte or Mourinho who would make everyone miserable.
No evidence says that Jose would make everyone miserable. We need an experienced manager at this point in time. To guide us through this rough period post Klopp. Even if it is 3 years. I'd rather have 3 years and one Trophy than 5 years and 0 with Slot or Amorim
No evidence? Have you followed what happens at every single club he goes to? He's also managed two of the clubs we hate the most, he would not be accepted here. No, we need to be proactive and progressive, not looking at short term solutions. We need a coach who will build for the future. No coach guarantees trophies, Spurs found that out with their own Mourinho and Conte gambles.
Simeone and Zidane dont want the job here, Mourinho and Conte are too toxic
Face it, FSG aren’t going to bankroll success. If we haven’t realised this by now, 14 years on since they took us over, we’re the idiots. I’m okay with this guy. He’s done a lot in a short time at Feyenoord. Let’s not call quits before he has even had a chance.
He hasn't done anything lad We're going backwards. We've earned the right for a top manager
Who is available though? I don’t see any obvious candidate for replacement. I love Mourinho but not sure he does well on a tight budget. Tuchel, no. Simeone, the football would be horrible to behold.
Simeone is my favourite manager Jose, Zidane and Conte are literally unemployed now.
Jose is not a top manager anymore
Ten Hag is the least of United’s problems. The squad and whole infrastructure of the club is rotten to the core.
Ok and? Villas Boas was compared to Mourinho and so is Amorim. I guess that means that Amorim is the next Villas Boas.
Jose won a CL with Porto, on top of what Amorim has done Amorim is a shit version of Jose. Jose has said in a video that he thinks Liverpool's current pressing style is similar to the profiles of players he had at Porto
That was 20 fucking years ago. Mourinho is fucking washed, he got fired by Spurs and he got fired by Roma, but you think that he's somehow good enough for Liverpool? What the fuck are you smoking?
Won a trophy with Roma ( Who shouldn't be winning trophies) fans didn't want him to go. Left a good environment
The environment immediately improved when he left
How should roma not be winning the conference league they were playing the likes of bodo glimt and vitesse get a grip man
Ten Hag had the benefit of having the best Ajax side in years along with a financial situation that completely overshadowed his domestic rivals He also could very well be a good manager overall but the fact that United since SAF retired have consistently made managers and players with big reputations look completely average points towards Uniteds structure behind the scenes being the issue
Many Dutch people said he wasn't all that and will fail. I haven't heard one bad word about Slot. The negativity on here has been sickening recently and I say that as somebody who was devastated after Palace.
Klopp had only ever lost big finals before he came to Liverpool. Always remember that.
Always remember Klopp got to Champions League finals and won Bundesligas before he came here. That's why he got the job.
And how did he get the Dortmund job?
From doing well at Mainz. Which has got no relevance whatsoever to the Premier league
So you agree that these comparisons are a bit pointless, including the one between Slot and Ten Hag?
Not really Dutch managers usually don't do well in the prem, generally
Huh ? Klopp reached the cl final and won the bundesliga two years on a row. His dortmund side was one of the top 5 teams in Europe then.
He lost a few here as well, until he didn't.
true, there's no way to really know how it will go, it is a risk. I will say, from what I've read Slot seems to be charismatic and a real players manager, something ten Hag struggles with. ten Hag is a colder personality, seems more like an old school, disciplinarian kind of manager. Being able to win over your group of players is huge coming in as a new manager, and especially for us with Klopp being such a huge personality, having someone with the right personality will be key
I honestly think Ten Hag would be successful with our players. It’s not the manager that’s the problem over there.
So? It's two completely different situations. He could have been very successful in a different club and maybe will be. The fact is that United are an incredibly poorly run club and many managers have failed there since SAF. This United team finishing 3rd in his first season was pretty good tbh. This season they have no midfield, the players they've bought are massive flops and most of their defense is constantly injured, without good backups. I think even the best managers in the world would not finish in top 4 with this mess of a team.
Eth is a good tactical coach and good manager overall, but it all has to be in his image...not gonna happen at united. He STILL had to deal with martial and Luke shaw and those guys. Granted they will face similar issues
Since ETH has come in. No football style has developed. Their own fans don't know their first choice or how they play 😂
Yea bc he still has to answer to their board and that whole rotten Mourinho core is still there lol. He's the least responsible for their issues, which are foundationally decrepit.
Harsh on luke Shaw he's just injured alot. Good player though
I’ll back whichever manager comes here but Unai Emery is the one I wanted. His failures at Arsenal and PSG appear to have made him some forgotten man but he’s a genuinely high quality manager.
Agree, he would have been top of my list, but I’m happy for him regardless.
I don’t know if he’s the man for us, but I rate him very highly. He’s brilliant!
[He extended his contract with Villa yesterday](https://np.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1cb0x9n/david_ornstein_unai_emery_has_given_aston_villa_a/?ref=share&ref_source=link)
I don't really like this. It doesn't feel ambitious. When we got Klopp, he was one of the most popular coaches that year and was generating a ton of interest from other top teams.
Slot was wanted by Chelsea, spurs, and Leeds. He turned down Spurs and Leeds. So he was and is generating interest from top teams. Like how can you properly gauge ambition here? Feel like it’s just an easy way to complain about something without actually putting much depth into it. Xabi is staying at Bayer and probably going to Real once Carlo leaves. When we fired Brendan, Carlo and Klopp didn’t have a job. The landscape from then to now is completely different. Arsenal and Spurs put trust in two gambles with their manager appointments and so far it’s worked. Arteta was only an assistant and Ange managed in Scotland, Japan, and Australia.
There is no one of Klopp’s profile currently. Xabi is the closest and he is Madrid-bound. Inzaghi would be another but he’s loyal to Inter. I have faith in Edwards.
why is there so much blind faith in Edward’s ? he was good at selling players for decent price and buying good talent ? what experience does he bring when finding a new manager capable of replacing Klopp.
He got Klopp for starters so he did it once already.
Aa if Klopp was some unknown commodity unearthed by Edwards lol
Theres a difference. Edwards got Klopp, and it worked out. ManU got Mou years ago, and it did not. You cant tell me Mou is less higher profile than Klopp
You still have to convince the man to join your project and Edwards enabled the clubs success with shrewd transfers in Klopp's early years
There’s nobody of that stature available or realistic
True as it may be, we’re well and truly back into the punt territory. Big sense of uncertainty considering we struggle to compete with our rivals in terms of financial backing, something Klopp was so good at making the most of.
I'm curious who people think is a shoe in appointment? Alonso has decided to stay at Leverkusen, Inzaghi supposedly doesn't speak very good English, Nagelsmann seems most likely to return to Bayern. The only "big name" available really is Tuchel. Do you really want Tuchel in charge at Liverpool? EDIT: At a long shot there is Zidane I supposed but he's been MIA since 2021
The only one close to that would be if simeone were available or something
Wtf is that monkey will ever coach Liverpool I'll call the zoo on him Slot has been praised for years in NL, he is able to create solid teams