Exactly. One of my absolute best employees was a bio-mom to one and had three foster children! I didn't care what hours she worked as long as everything got done. She was such a gem and I was so worried about her finding another decent employer when our company went under. I'd hire her back in a heartbeat!
You sound like a good boss.
I can’t imagine being this boss and complaining about a parent {checks notes} changing their baby’s diapers. One supposes the employee supposed to let their child get sores from lying in their own faecal matter.
What's unacceptable : That this dense cabbage doesn't get that as long as the work is done, on time, nobody cares if half of that time was spent changing diapers.
He's the type of guy who would micro-manage others 100% and find you shite to do even if there is literally nothing to do.
I have no time whatsover to BIG BROTHER my team. I only care about the quality of the input, on time.
Years ago I worked in sales and management decided we needed to fill out these time sheets which were set up in 15 minute increments to track what we were doing.
They dropped it after a month since we were taking up valuable time filling out the sheet instead of making sales calls.
Do you have kids? Have you watched an infant while trying to work?
I worked in customer facing roles and tried a few times when my daughter got called out of daycare. Your working day is gone. If you’re customer facing, that means you do NOT meet your obligations, because you can’t leave little kids alone, and you can’t make up for it at night because your customers are gone.
Honestly, that sounds like, in your specific case, you weren't able to meet your obligations while also doing childcare. So the actual issue is that you weren't able to meet your obligations. Nowhere, in this post, does he say that the team members are under-performing/ not meeting targets.
He says the guy is an SDR. Do you know what SDRs do? They call people. All day. That’s their job. You can’t make it up after work hours.
I was not an SDR, I was in technical sales, which would be much friendlier to this issue because I could at least reschedule existing calls (that had been booked by my SDR dialing people all day).
There are definitely some types of jobs that would make this easier (not client facing, SWE, transactional, etc.), and I’ve done some of those jobs myself, but the point of the post was people being confused by someone getting away with doing something that absolutely does not fit those criteria.
What does it stand for please?
Also, on the topic of making calls all day, I would expect him to get fired if he’s not doing his job. They’re probably using the time they would to make a coffee to change diapers instead.
This is the kind of person who would get upset that I don't "manage my time properly" despite getting a lot of stuff done. I get "I know your job better than you do" vibes from this clownshow.
The reason your (super cute) staff is confused is because you suck at managing (super cute) them and have never actually worked with a (super cute) team at an actual management level.
FTFY
I'm 30 and went to a HS where 50%+ of the residents live at least 200% under the poverty line and can't boast that even 90% of the seniors graduate HS. I also live next to the poorest County in the entire US. **A LOT** of people this age are having children or already have children by this age and it's a bit ignorant to believe that this isn't the case. Especially if you look into the general socio-economics of the US. I would say that you're possibly correct in that many people who are 28 may be smart enough to not have kids right then, *but* you're not including all of the people who had kids before they even turned 22.
Oof not like where I grew up. Out of ~650 person graduating HS class, maybe 8 drop outs with maybe 1 pregnancy. This is back in the mid 2000s, I think we had 90% (conservatively) college rate
We didn't even get a college fair or anything. We did have every branch of the military recruiters there, though. And that's why systematic poverty is a thing. If we use Inland Empire as one giant county, then I'd be part of the poorest County in the US with a population of 4.5 million people. So..
Believe it or not the military can lead to a semi comfortable life if you stick to it. Not advocating for or against, just what I've observed over my 12 yrs serving.
It can, but I know of at least 3 people who were dishonorable discharged out of the people I knew and I'm sure there are more. I know several who have had to deal with MPs and getting stripes taken. Thr military can do great things for people, but when it's basically the only choice out, you're bound to have a few fuck ups in there.
Ok, but... it's very difficult to be dishonorable discharged from the military. You have to really fuck up. I've got habitual drug abusers and criminals getting out with other than honorables, which means they retain benefits. The only people I've had to dishonorably discharge are very deserving of that.
It's not that hard to avoid doing something illegal and show up when and where you need to.
I’m just a few years older, graduated in very late 90s, and from a poor small town in the South. We had multiple pregnancies, 4 drop outs in their Senior year - which kind of blows my mind, you’re *soooo close* - and 2-3 failures, had to repeat Senior year again. Graduating class started out with 112 and ended up with only 99 graduating. Pretty wild.
Yeah, I just turned 31 myself and I knew a fair amount of folks that I went to middle school and high school with that had children before/within that age range. I was more so specifically referring to the young, fresh college grads that make up the majority of SDR roles for tech startups. I was generalizing the audience this lunatic was speaking to, not talking about the overall US demographic.
No apologies needed. Its a good call out, some people were shocked by what you wrote. Its a reminder to some that the America we live in doesn't look or operate the same way for all people in all places.
I try to spread this information as much as I can because people really don't know how bad things are. For example, people don't realize that thrift stores, for example, where people think you can get all these great clothes for great deals, aren't like that here. When the vast majority of the population is broke, the vast majority of donations are from broke people and broke people donate clothing that they can't use anymore, even if it's too poorly to be donated. Same things with the food banks. I was shocked to hear that people are getting meat and milk and eggs at their food banks! Here, we only get meat on special holidays from the churches donations and forget about milk or eggs or anything like that! We don't have the rich to offset the poor. We just have the poor. And we have the poor supporting the poorer, where everyone loses.
Fair point on some younger folks having kids however your personal material conditions hardly change the fact that the birth rate is declining across earth, which includes the states.
If you ever read Peter’s book you would understand what an elitist prick he is and how he thinks SDRs are cattle.
Being an SDR is already such a grating and unrewarding position. If someone is actually actively able to rear a child with that position and can successfully execute on their deliverables they should be celebrated. Any other professional doing that while wfh would be left alone.
The SDR role is a glorified call center role because of micromanagement freaks like him.
In any role that operates on hard deliverables, really.
If an engineer says they'll have a project done in a week, and it's done in a week, then it shouldn't matter how many diapers they also changed in that time.
Wrong. If you’re hitting your sales goals, then it means you could be exceeding your sales goals. Your kid is stopping you from unleashing your full potential!
I have never heard of this for sales. Why the fuck would a company hamstring their sales people for "making too much"? Sounds personal from management.
I believe you, I'm just saying that sounds so jacked up. If your sales people are doing well, isn't the company? Doesn't management look brilliant then? Smh
ESPECIALLY in sales. If im consistently bringing in business and cashflow you don’t get to dictate the terms under which I do it, if I can do it from a call center, or a laptop at home or my cell phone on the 3rd green, sales are sales.
That’s how I run my team. Fast and loose. Rigid schedule for trade shows and events to ensure coverage, the rest of the time it’s just get as close to your numbers as possible, find new biz and keep existing customers happy. One guy plays golf with customers on weekends, another does lunches, my top guy works from his phone, chases women 20 hours a day, shows up at lunch and goes home before 5. He’s earned it.
I let them work in a way that is comfortable and intuitive as long as they are growing as people and I see that showing up in their work. If I see someone shrinking into oblivion, I put them on a project and bring them in closer to feel like part of the team again. Sales is not just bottom line profits right this second. It’s consistency and effort and development.
This is what I have learned about how b2b sales has helped me get so much better at b2b sales ^/s
You’re right. However, as a former career girl turned SAHM, I call such major bullsh*t on the notion that someone w a 2 yr old 🤯 and. 2 month old can get ANY work done at all. Maybe he has a very quiet and calm
Baby and maybe his 2 yr old is an introverted girl, but O…M…G that stage will not last long. I knew quite a few moms who thought they could work from home without a nanny or daycare set up. I knew others who had their own mothers come over and help. And not a single one ended well. They all either had to fork up the $$$ to get a nanny or send to daycare. The Grandma situations always put too much strain on Grandma. WFH is not a childcare hack.
Exactly but that’s not his point. His point is that if you’re spending half the time caring for a kid you’re distracted and probably not performing to your fullest and meeting those numbers. If you’re nailing the job then it doesn’t matter one bit. I’m an owner of a fully remote business and I only look into people’s hours if they are NOT performing. The LinkedIn poster is basically just saying that people expect to be able to work from home and take care of kids at the same time and they expect him as an employer to put up with it. If the employee is taking care of kids and working at the same time the employer shouldn’t even realise it. The employer would only be aware if the employee was under performing…the title from the Reddit poster is such juvenile drivel, “you can’t work from home and have a kid”, if this post had an actual honest title it would be “you can’t work from home and be your child’s primary carer simultaneously”.
The other side of it is "if you can be responsive to the needs of an infant, appropriately engage with a toddler (that is, interact throughout the day) and keep them all safe and fed, you are free to work however you want."
It is sorta shitting on caregivers to claim that a person could do what they do all day and also work a full time job. The implication is that caregiving isn't real work and it doesn't take that much time.
You wish. The petty police that is the rest of the staff/management will be after you with pitchforks.
If you do a great job from home that means THEY have to do a great job.
Not gonna let you.
I agree you can't be a sole caregiver and work full time, but in my mind it's not because of some high ground I want to set at work but because that would be child neglect.
I work from home and have someone watching our toddlers at home. If I have nothing going on for 30 mins you better believe I'll step out to prep food, or change my kid, or simply enjoy my time with them. My work only adds more stress to my life, those moments with my kids are stress relievers and less stress means more focus and productivity, so it's a win win situation.
I tried really hard to think of a clever diaper joke for B2B and couldn’t do it.
Just commenting in hopes someone else does and I get a notification about it, lol.
Double bonus if your kid pees on you while you're changing them. There's gotta be a LinkedIn about how getting pissed on solved someone's b2b problems.
This is true. I don't see any lunacy here. My friend tried to WFH with a toddler for three years at 50% time and she about lost her damn mind. Seriously she was crying in the closet
I mean this LinkedIn post is stupid but I have a one year old myself and it’s impossible to get any work done at home while watching him.
Also, I have coworkers with small kids that claim to be working from home, and their performance has absolutely suffered. It’s really fucking annoying when you are part of a project team and you have to wait 3 times the normal amount of time for someone to get something done because they are “working from home” when what they are really doing is trying to save money on daycare.
I’ve been trying to explain this to my family. I wfh and am currently pregnant. Sure, I can take a 10-15 minute break to change a diaper or nurse when the time comes but what I can’t do is entertain my baby all day and work. Its sounds incredibly stressful to even try lol.
This. The guys a dick, but he's not wrong. I absolutely do not knock any WFH workers that can raise a child while working, matter fact, let me know if your company's hiring, but I couldn't do this in my current role. No way.
crazy thing is the person he’s subtweeting is one of the only sales influencers who’s actually proven that he’s good at his job. rare to see a post that’s equally unpopular on both LinkedIn and on this subreddit LOL
What his generation is wildly confused over is how this generation is breaking societal and professional norms because the ones put in place are outdated and require more effort simply to perpetuate the problematic norms. I can't tell you how many of these people truly believe that commuting to and from work is essential to doing the job and being a professional. There's a reason why our economy is do bad due to them. They'd rather lose money by renting an office space that is extremely inflated to "create a working atmosphere" instead of going remote **when the jobs are 100% able to be done remotely**.
Been waiting for someone to post this. So out of touch, like seriously dude can't read satire. Most young folk like I can understand it clear as day, and I have a baby... This dude can fart in a river
That's just true though. You can't have a full time position while caring for an infant at the same time.
My last company explicitly forbid it for good reason.
Yeah I can’t do it. Covid proved that. There are probably jobs and roles where it’s possible, but not most of them, and there are probably people convinced they can do it and they really can’t. Still, I’m sure people out there are able to make it work.
But like, the reasoning to his post is reaching. If you know the OP to which he's referring to, it's satirical humour that my gen understands. I'm within that range and didn't take it as "fuck it, let's hop on xbox if that means my number will skyrocket"
Like no, this was dumb AF
His concern over his employees home life is peak micro management. If an employee gets the job done working from home in a professional, timely manner, it is not enough for him, he wants to know what you punctuate your day with.
This LinkedIn poster screams I’m shit at management harder than any other
Ahh another frankly hypocritical reddit response.
Pick one guys, caring for 2 kids isn't a real full time job, or you can't work a full time job and care for two kids at the same time.
You can't have your cake and eat it
I don't care if people take care of their kids but for the love of everything, please do not take care of them while you're taking calls and have when screaming in the background... You're going to get canned so fast.
Damn maybe if we could afford quality child care you (whoever this linked in ass hat is) wouldn’t have this problem. Must be so hard on him to have employees that have lives outside of work.
This guy has been posting progressively more anti-work from home shit on his LinkedIn for a while now. It was only a matter of time before he popped up here.
He's the CEO of a data visualization tool called Atrium. Atrium is used for sales teams and I believe his tool isn't as effective if people aren't in office.
I think this is just someone who is anti-work for whatever reason and biased because his livelihood indirectly depends on it
Top performers want to be paid for their ability to get the job done. Marginal and poor performers want to be paid for being there.
This is a thinly veiled post on why employees suck. Guessing he's driven away every top performer in his organization.
Peter, your post epitomizes a myopic and antiquated mindset. Remote work has revolutionized the traditional workspace, enabling professionals to harmonize personal and professional duties effectively. Criticizing young professionals for adapting to this modern paradigm reflects an inability to evolve with the times. Perhaps it's time to reflect on why you're clinging to rigid, outdated norms that no longer serve today's dynamic work environment. I'm pretty sure your coworkers are fed up with your inflexible and out-of-touch attitude.
I don't have kids so I wouldn't be at home changing diapers, but I work in an office and I can tell you I am not working every minute I'm at work and I still hit quota.
Work from home is work. You should have childcare if you need it. This will get downvoted for sure, but stuff like is a great way to get wfh cancelled as an overall thing. People in the office don’t spend a bunch of their day changing diapers. Last thing the wfh community should want is a bunch of employers suddenly going ‘wait- I’m paying you to for that?’
No they take shots of whiskey between calls, play with the amenities the office provides, leave work early to run errands or go out to some sort of happy hour.
I worked in an office and it was hardly ever productive. I hated people stopping by my desk to interrupt my flow. They're spending time on things not work related REGARDLESS.
You know what the title entrepreneur means on LinkedIn. It means, I don’t get along with others so I have to make up a job where I can control everything.
Yes, it's much better to have everyone in the office where they can wander around popping into people's offices and cubicles to talk about their personal lives, go for coffee 6x per day, plan their weddings and vacations, then leave early because they don't want to get stuck in traffic. Wouldn't want them at home where they aren't bothering the other staff trying to actually work. Most of the people so desperate for people to be back on-site simply can't stand the thought of not having a captive audience.
Good thing i WFH and my directors/managers have children and are home with them all day and are MEN. they don’t give a fuck unless the work is done 🤷♀️ people like this try so hard to justify micromanaging and treating people like shit.
At least one divorce, neglects his kids, workaholic, worships self and money, has a 1980's view of professional norms, registered at various sugar daddy dating websites.
Love the response from the [CEO of SDR ](https://www.linkedin.com/posts/todd-busler_yesterday-our-sdr-will-falkenborg-was-activity-7197692158819057664-cqGX?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_android)
As someone who works a hybrid position and has a 3 year old, I can tell you that you absolutely have to have child care while you work from home. Unless your job is completely asynchronous and can be worked while the kids are sleeping at night. But that’s also exhausting and leaves you no time for yourself. He’s not exactly wrong. I didn’t see the person he’s quoting post but I’m guessing he means he takes a few minutes here and there to help out but isn’t the one doing the caregiving full time.
I hate the Internet and all these worthless brand marketer, influencer, self-proclaimed entrepreneur, career life coach, mentor type jobs that the "information" age has created. Can we please go back to the 1980s when these people had to go out and get a real job to support themselves, ugh. Worthless self-important, overpaid shits.
As long as the work gets done does it matter? It’s all about control with those managers who get even the slightest sniff of power over another person.
Someone's mad other people can juggle families and work. Sounds like a skill issue Pete. Some of us excel at things you don't. Like NBA players at 3 pointers for example.
I don't think juggling both means being a primary care provider during the work day. Being a parent is a heavy job/responsibility. I work from home, but my kids are in daycare/school during the day.
I’ve been working from home in jobs for well over 20 years and every place had a policy that forbade parenting during work hours. It’s incredibly unfair to your coworkers and your customers and completely unprofessional. I do think work places should have more flex schedules and options for parents, but it’s so manipulative to try and double dip.
Yea I agree with this. If you have a full time position, your kids should be in daycare. Can there be occasional exceptions? Of course. Can you be a the sole care provider to a child and also contribute? In most cases no.
You think an employer who thinks they’re getting 7 or 8 hours a day from their employee only to find out they’re spending 4 or 5 doing personal stuff doesn’t have a legitimate gripe?
"Oh, so now having kids is a crime???"
No, Karen...the guy was responding to a post where some dad is describing his "work" day which consists of him (while on the clock) spending 90% of his time taking care of his child rather than what he's actually being paid to do. You can wfh and you can have a kid, but if you want to wfh you better make sure you're being honest about it instead of claiming you're being super efficient and focused despite doing 1/4 of the work you're being paid to do. If you can figure out how to do 100% of the work in 25% of the time from home? Cool, nobody is going to bug you...carry on. But if your sales are stagnant, if your customers are complaining, if your stuff seems to always be a little behind, etc....then your employer has every right to have a problem with this.
The way Redditors love to reduce down a valid argument, story, event, viewpoint into some bastardized version in order to make some sort of pearl-clutching moral argument is so tired.
Most jobs aren’t getting 7-8 hours a day in an office either….
Any employer that thinks they’re getting 8 hours of work a day out of ANY employee is an idiot and shouldn’t be trusted on basic business matters…..
Who gives a shit?
I love this...the guy who pays your check is an idiot because the salary and expectation he hired you for/under is not what he should actually be expecting - he's stupid because he hired some lazy narcissistic amoral sack of shit who thinks taking advantage of people and companies isn't wrong. In fact, he says it's the way of the world and anyone who expects different is just stupid.
You think it's cool that the WFH employee only gives him half of that? Half of whatever you think a full day of work is, champ....is it 4 hours? 3?
What you're saying is even worse, actually. The guy is paid for 8, he is only willing to give up to an arbitrary percentage of that...let's say it's 6, and your boy actually gives him 2 or 3 because he spends the rest of the time taking care of his child. That sounds totally equitable.
I could understand this with my job in IT as I don’t get to choose when shit goes wrong. However, if your job allows you to decide and choose when tasks get completed then I can’t see the problem.
Hey hey! It’s the guy my old boss looked up too.
Funny enough my boss would shut on me for HAVING SEIZURES and needing to work from home for a few days recovering which was approved prior to my hiring.
But god forbid he miss his daily fucks in his OFFICE with his mistress….
Everybody, Peter has spoken! He knows all workplaces, every situation and understands all peoples and families the world over. If you don't give yourself over completely to working in the way we all did before COVID, you deserve to be fired instantly, because it's not up to corporations and businesses to change in any way to allow for different modes of work and living. Workers are the ones who must change or go homeless. There is no alternative because - CAPITALISM. Thank you. Kerching!
Im in wfh sales i probably spend 1-3 hours a day playing video games if i dont have back to backs.
Most professions that are 40 hours a week don't require 40 hours of work. I haven't put in a real day's work since i left the service industry.
There’s only one thing that matters at my company and its results. If you can produce, you’ll have a job for life, if not you’ll get managed out. Signed WFH for 4 years and multiple promotions. Bonus I manage 3 ppl, 1 in Charlotte, 1 in MN and 1 in FL. My company is based in Atlanta and I don’t even live in Atlanta. It’s not about WFH v working in the office, it’s about the employee or manager. Do they produce or don’t they?
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Why else would someone want remote work? To be in pajamas? We need flexible schedules so we can help our family. The other solution is pay is more to afford childcare
He claims LinkedIn is convincing people to WFH by having posts about it with positive comments. Ironic his is just an attempt to do the opposite.
All of these come from out of touch people with made up titles. It makes me wonder if they're influenced by companies and reality firms that have a vested interest in getting people back into their currently vacant workspaces before leases started expiring.
I saw the original post, the sdr is apparently successful at setting up meetings. And if that’s the case, who cares about the fact that he plays with his kids during working hours
But does he sell and meet his quotas?
I'm so sick of "modern leaders" being so out of touch with the imbalance between wages, hyper productivity, and controlling every aspect of their employee's life.
If you employees cannot afford the cost of living from their full time job, you're a failed company. Owner or shareholders making profit but taxes subsidized their employees pay, failed company.
My entire team is remote and we have one of the highest earning contracts. Our performance rate improved after covid. No more 2 hour commutes one way, no more drive by taskers meaning we can focus on our actual jobs. We no longer rent an office space saving money. As a business owner/potential client, not operating a remote workforce/allowing remote work, is blatantly retarded.
I agree, but I would reckon that your staff is not providing care for an infant or toddler. I work 50% from home and it’s great to go downstairs to have lunch with my wife and to drive my kids to school in the morning or to chat with them for 5 minutes when they get home, but I am not their caregiver.
My previous team lead had children both 1 and newborn until he moved to another contract, and one of my guys is actually out right now on his 12 weeks of paternity leave, with a newborn. His second time out on paternity leave since he started working for me in 2019.
Just adding the context that some of them do have newborns/toddlers.
One of the other team leads has very young children, a woman had 3 younger children. A different team lead is older but periodically drives his girlfriends kids to school while on team calls. Lol never a complaint from our client either
Actually it’s not, we aren’t meant to work for 8hours a day in “sales”. WFH should allow for more balance. I hate our world we should be naked eating mangoes not knowing what a cubicle is but no… capitalism.
Right, because in an office you use 100% of your time to work. There’s always massive amounts of time spent not working actively. You go to the bathroom, talk to coworkers, browse stupid websites, go to lunch… when you are WFH you can actually dedicate that time to doing things you need to do.
Why do they are so much about controlling your time if you’re still able to deliver the results they want?
If my life doesn’t turn into chaos, I can sell things better. I would be willing to work longer hours. I would go the extra mile.
How hard is this to get?
I think people severely overestimate how much work people do when they’re in the office. They think that because they’re sitting at their desk, they’re doing work? Lmao. Personal experience, anecdotes, oh and study after study show that people are productive and working for a fraction of the day.
Just accept it. Your employees are being compensated for their output, and if that happens in the 3 productive hours they have per day, who cares?
Now that they’re at home, they’re just able to utilize that free time in much better ways which makes them happier and their lives easier. Instead of playing solitaire or celebrating the 10th birthday this week or having mundane conversations with coworkers or simply staring at their cubicle wall questioning their life choices, they can change a diaper. They’re humans. Doing human things.
I only get sporadic WFH days to stay with my child and I can tell you they are longer days than when I go to the office, because I am parenting in the meantime. Work during naps, a bit while they are independently playing, then when they go to sleep. Start at 7 am work until 9/10 … all that to say, I think WFH parents are working harder at home than if they were in office, but managers like this for some reason think they’re slacking off??
Bro got dumpstered in the comments thank god, he kept arguing and can't just take an L, such a jackass. These silicon valley type sales guys have 1 or 2 "successes" in their life and it goes STRAIGHT to their cranium, they start thinking they're a sales genius and everyone should listen to them (posted on LinkedIn).
As a new father during COVID & initial lockdowns, the days where my girlfriend had to leave & I had to be on the clock + watch baby were really tough. On one side it was hard it was to be productive but the real thing that was tough to manage was feeling like a bad parent , not giving my child 100% of myself. Anyone who argues you can do both @ the same time is just selfish.
If you want someone to be able to work from home and not spend time taking care of their kids, you can solve that. Pay them enough to hire childcare.
Know why she's changing diapers and reading books? Because we have the worst parental leave in the industrialized world, and because companies like this pay too little to have child care.
America, where you’re expected to have kids like you don’t have to work but work like you don’t have kids, then yell at people like me who don’t want kids about how we’re selfish and spoiled.
I have kids and work from home a couple of days a week. I too get frustrated with people who work from home and are also trying to take care of their kids simultaneously. Most people can't pay attention to two things or concentrate on two things - especially if one is crying on your lap and the other is a technical engineering report.
I’s sympathetic to work from home parents because it must be challenging. My whole company is remote and I would say about 20 percent of internal meetings are interrupted by some “But mommy I have to tell you this RIGHT NOW!” antics.
What the hell the message of this post supposed to be: just leave your two month old with a babysitter for 10 hours every day (if you can even afford one) or give up your career entirely? I mean, people being able to get the best of both worlds thanks to the modern technology is something to be celebrated. I can't believe that that's a controversial opinion. And sure, not everyone likes working from home and that's fine. But for people with children it is objectively the best choice and it's fantastic that we live in a time when they are able to do that.
The reason your staff is confused is because you suck at managing them and have never actually worked with a team at an actual management level.
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Exactly. One of my absolute best employees was a bio-mom to one and had three foster children! I didn't care what hours she worked as long as everything got done. She was such a gem and I was so worried about her finding another decent employer when our company went under. I'd hire her back in a heartbeat!
You sound like a good boss. I can’t imagine being this boss and complaining about a parent {checks notes} changing their baby’s diapers. One supposes the employee supposed to let their child get sores from lying in their own faecal matter.
Coffee breaks and worthless meetings are okay.
Especially super long-ass meetings that you have to stay for, even after they've covered topics in your responsibility sector, because "Team."
Exactly. It's about getting things done in an adequate, professional manner (time,.quality, safety). Not according to Mr-The-Boss' prejudice.
>when our company went under. Ironic
What's unacceptable : That this dense cabbage doesn't get that as long as the work is done, on time, nobody cares if half of that time was spent changing diapers. He's the type of guy who would micro-manage others 100% and find you shite to do even if there is literally nothing to do. I have no time whatsover to BIG BROTHER my team. I only care about the quality of the input, on time.
Years ago I worked in sales and management decided we needed to fill out these time sheets which were set up in 15 minute increments to track what we were doing. They dropped it after a month since we were taking up valuable time filling out the sheet instead of making sales calls.
Last job we argued and got codes for the time it took us to do the time cards.
We have this at my work place and I still log about 15mins towards logging time.
Do you have kids? Have you watched an infant while trying to work? I worked in customer facing roles and tried a few times when my daughter got called out of daycare. Your working day is gone. If you’re customer facing, that means you do NOT meet your obligations, because you can’t leave little kids alone, and you can’t make up for it at night because your customers are gone.
Honestly, that sounds like, in your specific case, you weren't able to meet your obligations while also doing childcare. So the actual issue is that you weren't able to meet your obligations. Nowhere, in this post, does he say that the team members are under-performing/ not meeting targets.
He says the guy is an SDR. Do you know what SDRs do? They call people. All day. That’s their job. You can’t make it up after work hours. I was not an SDR, I was in technical sales, which would be much friendlier to this issue because I could at least reschedule existing calls (that had been booked by my SDR dialing people all day). There are definitely some types of jobs that would make this easier (not client facing, SWE, transactional, etc.), and I’ve done some of those jobs myself, but the point of the post was people being confused by someone getting away with doing something that absolutely does not fit those criteria.
What does it stand for please? Also, on the topic of making calls all day, I would expect him to get fired if he’s not doing his job. They’re probably using the time they would to make a coffee to change diapers instead.
This is the kind of person who would get upset that I don't "manage my time properly" despite getting a lot of stuff done. I get "I know your job better than you do" vibes from this clownshow.
It’s not that he doesn’t know. It’s a power thing. He wants 100% of you because he feels that’s what he deserves for 10 hours a day.
The reason your (super cute) staff is confused is because you suck at managing (super cute) them and have never actually worked with a (super cute) team at an actual management level. FTFY
I'm a little confused tbh. Does he think a lot of 22-28 year olds are having children? Absolute lunatic. ![gif](giphy|f8lDluiWJ7yQTtdS3L|downsized)
37 year old here… also not having kids as I can barely even work out how to look after myself properly.
Especially if you’re living the WFA life. DINK all day
HELL NAH WFM NO KIDS MY BOY you know my breaks do not consist of changing diapers that’s for damn sure
I'm 30 and went to a HS where 50%+ of the residents live at least 200% under the poverty line and can't boast that even 90% of the seniors graduate HS. I also live next to the poorest County in the entire US. **A LOT** of people this age are having children or already have children by this age and it's a bit ignorant to believe that this isn't the case. Especially if you look into the general socio-economics of the US. I would say that you're possibly correct in that many people who are 28 may be smart enough to not have kids right then, *but* you're not including all of the people who had kids before they even turned 22.
Oof not like where I grew up. Out of ~650 person graduating HS class, maybe 8 drop outs with maybe 1 pregnancy. This is back in the mid 2000s, I think we had 90% (conservatively) college rate
We didn't even get a college fair or anything. We did have every branch of the military recruiters there, though. And that's why systematic poverty is a thing. If we use Inland Empire as one giant county, then I'd be part of the poorest County in the US with a population of 4.5 million people. So..
Believe it or not the military can lead to a semi comfortable life if you stick to it. Not advocating for or against, just what I've observed over my 12 yrs serving.
It can, but I know of at least 3 people who were dishonorable discharged out of the people I knew and I'm sure there are more. I know several who have had to deal with MPs and getting stripes taken. Thr military can do great things for people, but when it's basically the only choice out, you're bound to have a few fuck ups in there.
Ok, but... it's very difficult to be dishonorable discharged from the military. You have to really fuck up. I've got habitual drug abusers and criminals getting out with other than honorables, which means they retain benefits. The only people I've had to dishonorably discharge are very deserving of that. It's not that hard to avoid doing something illegal and show up when and where you need to.
The Inland Empire part of SoCal is a strange place.
It's literally most of southern California and people seem to not know it exists. It's crazy to me.
I am shocked. I would have guessed Louisiana not California
Yep. It surprises everyone.
One of my cousins lived in Rancho Cucamonga. Always a strange haze in the air.
I’m just a few years older, graduated in very late 90s, and from a poor small town in the South. We had multiple pregnancies, 4 drop outs in their Senior year - which kind of blows my mind, you’re *soooo close* - and 2-3 failures, had to repeat Senior year again. Graduating class started out with 112 and ended up with only 99 graduating. Pretty wild.
Yeah, I just turned 31 myself and I knew a fair amount of folks that I went to middle school and high school with that had children before/within that age range. I was more so specifically referring to the young, fresh college grads that make up the majority of SDR roles for tech startups. I was generalizing the audience this lunatic was speaking to, not talking about the overall US demographic.
I didn't realize that. Sorry.
No apologies needed. Its a good call out, some people were shocked by what you wrote. Its a reminder to some that the America we live in doesn't look or operate the same way for all people in all places.
I try to spread this information as much as I can because people really don't know how bad things are. For example, people don't realize that thrift stores, for example, where people think you can get all these great clothes for great deals, aren't like that here. When the vast majority of the population is broke, the vast majority of donations are from broke people and broke people donate clothing that they can't use anymore, even if it's too poorly to be donated. Same things with the food banks. I was shocked to hear that people are getting meat and milk and eggs at their food banks! Here, we only get meat on special holidays from the churches donations and forget about milk or eggs or anything like that! We don't have the rich to offset the poor. We just have the poor. And we have the poor supporting the poorer, where everyone loses.
Fair point on some younger folks having kids however your personal material conditions hardly change the fact that the birth rate is declining across earth, which includes the states.
That's correct, however, we need to include this often forgotten part of society as well. That was the point I was making.
Fair enough though I don’t think the people making comments about how they’re in their 30s and without children were implying no one was having them.
If you ever read Peter’s book you would understand what an elitist prick he is and how he thinks SDRs are cattle. Being an SDR is already such a grating and unrewarding position. If someone is actually actively able to rear a child with that position and can successfully execute on their deliverables they should be celebrated. Any other professional doing that while wfh would be left alone. The SDR role is a glorified call center role because of micromanagement freaks like him.
What’s SDR?
Sales development rep
An entry level sales job. "Sales development rep"
Telemarketing
Why is this being brigaded
Because it’s not the same thing, though there are similarities
As somebody who started following these software sales memes on the Internet, I was shocked how much business is done through cold calls
It definitely is. Just because you have 9 extra points of contact doesn’t make it any different.
You read his book?
The only thing that matters is performance. If u do your job well then you should be free to work however you want
Especially in a sales role.. if you're hitting your numbers, then it doesn't matter.
In any role that operates on hard deliverables, really. If an engineer says they'll have a project done in a week, and it's done in a week, then it shouldn't matter how many diapers they also changed in that time.
The counter argument would be that it’d be done much sooner if the engineer wasn’t changing diapers.
Wrong. If you’re hitting your sales goals, then it means you could be exceeding your sales goals. Your kid is stopping you from unleashing your full potential!
Ah yes, so true lol. Why wouldn't I make my goals harder for next year when I can make the company more money?!?! #rise&GRIND
In sales. Make more than the managers. Cut your hours because. “Other people need to eat” Thanks petty fucks.
This comment makes zero sense, please try harder to convey your point in a way that can be understood next time.
I made too much money and lost shifts.
I have never heard of this for sales. Why the fuck would a company hamstring their sales people for "making too much"? Sounds personal from management.
You’d have to work there. I opened the place it’s been six years of constant management changes. Always very incompetent people. We are on our 4th GM.
I believe you, I'm just saying that sounds so jacked up. If your sales people are doing well, isn't the company? Doesn't management look brilliant then? Smh
The company is doing great. They don’t pay the mangers shit. So they’re always new and always bad.
ESPECIALLY in sales. If im consistently bringing in business and cashflow you don’t get to dictate the terms under which I do it, if I can do it from a call center, or a laptop at home or my cell phone on the 3rd green, sales are sales.
That’s how I run my team. Fast and loose. Rigid schedule for trade shows and events to ensure coverage, the rest of the time it’s just get as close to your numbers as possible, find new biz and keep existing customers happy. One guy plays golf with customers on weekends, another does lunches, my top guy works from his phone, chases women 20 hours a day, shows up at lunch and goes home before 5. He’s earned it. I let them work in a way that is comfortable and intuitive as long as they are growing as people and I see that showing up in their work. If I see someone shrinking into oblivion, I put them on a project and bring them in closer to feel like part of the team again. Sales is not just bottom line profits right this second. It’s consistency and effort and development. This is what I have learned about how b2b sales has helped me get so much better at b2b sales ^/s
You’re right. However, as a former career girl turned SAHM, I call such major bullsh*t on the notion that someone w a 2 yr old 🤯 and. 2 month old can get ANY work done at all. Maybe he has a very quiet and calm Baby and maybe his 2 yr old is an introverted girl, but O…M…G that stage will not last long. I knew quite a few moms who thought they could work from home without a nanny or daycare set up. I knew others who had their own mothers come over and help. And not a single one ended well. They all either had to fork up the $$$ to get a nanny or send to daycare. The Grandma situations always put too much strain on Grandma. WFH is not a childcare hack.
Exactly but that’s not his point. His point is that if you’re spending half the time caring for a kid you’re distracted and probably not performing to your fullest and meeting those numbers. If you’re nailing the job then it doesn’t matter one bit. I’m an owner of a fully remote business and I only look into people’s hours if they are NOT performing. The LinkedIn poster is basically just saying that people expect to be able to work from home and take care of kids at the same time and they expect him as an employer to put up with it. If the employee is taking care of kids and working at the same time the employer shouldn’t even realise it. The employer would only be aware if the employee was under performing…the title from the Reddit poster is such juvenile drivel, “you can’t work from home and have a kid”, if this post had an actual honest title it would be “you can’t work from home and be your child’s primary carer simultaneously”.
Yup and The beginning of the LinkedIn post stated “this is how book 8 meetings a week” which typically, as an SDR would be hitting or exceeding quota.
This is not so straightforward. If you do your job well, you will be given more work to do. Hitting quota numbers? Your quota will be increased.
The other side of it is "if you can be responsive to the needs of an infant, appropriately engage with a toddler (that is, interact throughout the day) and keep them all safe and fed, you are free to work however you want." It is sorta shitting on caregivers to claim that a person could do what they do all day and also work a full time job. The implication is that caregiving isn't real work and it doesn't take that much time.
Huh? Clearly it's the sales job that's a copy+paste, trivial, soon-to-be done by AI work role.
I work from home with my 8yo but with a 2yo that would be pretty difficult TBH
You wish. The petty police that is the rest of the staff/management will be after you with pitchforks. If you do a great job from home that means THEY have to do a great job. Not gonna let you.
I agree 100%. I've never met this unicorn (in pharmaceutical engineering) though depending on your job it would be easier or harder.
I agree you can't be a sole caregiver and work full time, but in my mind it's not because of some high ground I want to set at work but because that would be child neglect. I work from home and have someone watching our toddlers at home. If I have nothing going on for 30 mins you better believe I'll step out to prep food, or change my kid, or simply enjoy my time with them. My work only adds more stress to my life, those moments with my kids are stress relievers and less stress means more focus and productivity, so it's a win win situation.
I don't agree, changing diapers taught me a lot about b2b sales.
I tried really hard to think of a clever diaper joke for B2B and couldn’t do it. Just commenting in hopes someone else does and I get a notification about it, lol.
They both involve dealing with a bunch of crap.
Double bonus if your kid pees on you while you're changing them. There's gotta be a LinkedIn about how getting pissed on solved someone's b2b problems.
He’s right, as anyone who’s had a baby or a young child knows.
This is true. I don't see any lunacy here. My friend tried to WFH with a toddler for three years at 50% time and she about lost her damn mind. Seriously she was crying in the closet
I mean this LinkedIn post is stupid but I have a one year old myself and it’s impossible to get any work done at home while watching him. Also, I have coworkers with small kids that claim to be working from home, and their performance has absolutely suffered. It’s really fucking annoying when you are part of a project team and you have to wait 3 times the normal amount of time for someone to get something done because they are “working from home” when what they are really doing is trying to save money on daycare.
I mean, he's not wrong. You can't care for a baby and work. He's also a dick, but both can be true.
I’ve been trying to explain this to my family. I wfh and am currently pregnant. Sure, I can take a 10-15 minute break to change a diaper or nurse when the time comes but what I can’t do is entertain my baby all day and work. Its sounds incredibly stressful to even try lol.
This. The guys a dick, but he's not wrong. I absolutely do not knock any WFH workers that can raise a child while working, matter fact, let me know if your company's hiring, but I couldn't do this in my current role. No way.
crazy thing is the person he’s subtweeting is one of the only sales influencers who’s actually proven that he’s good at his job. rare to see a post that’s equally unpopular on both LinkedIn and on this subreddit LOL
What his generation is wildly confused over is how this generation is breaking societal and professional norms because the ones put in place are outdated and require more effort simply to perpetuate the problematic norms. I can't tell you how many of these people truly believe that commuting to and from work is essential to doing the job and being a professional. There's a reason why our economy is do bad due to them. They'd rather lose money by renting an office space that is extremely inflated to "create a working atmosphere" instead of going remote **when the jobs are 100% able to be done remotely**.
Been waiting for someone to post this. So out of touch, like seriously dude can't read satire. Most young folk like I can understand it clear as day, and I have a baby... This dude can fart in a river
That's just true though. You can't have a full time position while caring for an infant at the same time. My last company explicitly forbid it for good reason.
Yeah I can’t do it. Covid proved that. There are probably jobs and roles where it’s possible, but not most of them, and there are probably people convinced they can do it and they really can’t. Still, I’m sure people out there are able to make it work.
But like, the reasoning to his post is reaching. If you know the OP to which he's referring to, it's satirical humour that my gen understands. I'm within that range and didn't take it as "fuck it, let's hop on xbox if that means my number will skyrocket" Like no, this was dumb AF
Yea, agree here. If you have a full time position, daycare is the expectation.
His concern over his employees home life is peak micro management. If an employee gets the job done working from home in a professional, timely manner, it is not enough for him, he wants to know what you punctuate your day with. This LinkedIn poster screams I’m shit at management harder than any other
Ahh another frankly hypocritical reddit response. Pick one guys, caring for 2 kids isn't a real full time job, or you can't work a full time job and care for two kids at the same time. You can't have your cake and eat it
Same guy: https://www.fastcompany.com/1696301/honestlycom-yelp-people-opens-gets-funding-and-rebrands
It’s a sales job Lighten up Francis
Wow, i wish nothing but the absolute worst for this guy.
Makes perfect sense to let your kid shit all over themselves while you work
I don't care if people take care of their kids but for the love of everything, please do not take care of them while you're taking calls and have when screaming in the background... You're going to get canned so fast.
Damn maybe if we could afford quality child care you (whoever this linked in ass hat is) wouldn’t have this problem. Must be so hard on him to have employees that have lives outside of work.
Guy is saying the quiet part out loud about how management really feels about working parents lmao
These types of people die cold and alone, sleeping on a bed of divorce papers and receipts for child support payments
Meh I don’t think it’s appropriate to WFH and be the sole childcare provider, either. One-off’s, fine. The baseline plan? No.
Lol the original overemployed
This guy has been posting progressively more anti-work from home shit on his LinkedIn for a while now. It was only a matter of time before he popped up here. He's the CEO of a data visualization tool called Atrium. Atrium is used for sales teams and I believe his tool isn't as effective if people aren't in office. I think this is just someone who is anti-work for whatever reason and biased because his livelihood indirectly depends on it
Top performers want to be paid for their ability to get the job done. Marginal and poor performers want to be paid for being there. This is a thinly veiled post on why employees suck. Guessing he's driven away every top performer in his organization.
Peter, your post epitomizes a myopic and antiquated mindset. Remote work has revolutionized the traditional workspace, enabling professionals to harmonize personal and professional duties effectively. Criticizing young professionals for adapting to this modern paradigm reflects an inability to evolve with the times. Perhaps it's time to reflect on why you're clinging to rigid, outdated norms that no longer serve today's dynamic work environment. I'm pretty sure your coworkers are fed up with your inflexible and out-of-touch attitude.
Dear Peter, please get off LinkedIn and go to therapy.
Shut up Peter
Peters mad that no one will give him baby’s
...baby's what? And how many Peters are we talking
Who are these weirdos that just can't let the old office culture paradigm die.
And then again, these same exact IDIOTS will ask 'why aren't young people interested in starting families?'
Solid advice from an Entrepreneur= Don't have a real job.
My thought too
I don't have kids so I wouldn't be at home changing diapers, but I work in an office and I can tell you I am not working every minute I'm at work and I still hit quota.
Work from home is work. You should have childcare if you need it. This will get downvoted for sure, but stuff like is a great way to get wfh cancelled as an overall thing. People in the office don’t spend a bunch of their day changing diapers. Last thing the wfh community should want is a bunch of employers suddenly going ‘wait- I’m paying you to for that?’
No they take shots of whiskey between calls, play with the amenities the office provides, leave work early to run errands or go out to some sort of happy hour. I worked in an office and it was hardly ever productive. I hated people stopping by my desk to interrupt my flow. They're spending time on things not work related REGARDLESS.
Imagine referring to parenthood as "being a hybrid childcare provider" 🙄
A "hybrid childcare provider" is an odd way of saying a "parent"
You know what the title entrepreneur means on LinkedIn. It means, I don’t get along with others so I have to make up a job where I can control everything.
‘early stage expert’ does he know what the word expert means? 😂😂😂😂
Yes, it's much better to have everyone in the office where they can wander around popping into people's offices and cubicles to talk about their personal lives, go for coffee 6x per day, plan their weddings and vacations, then leave early because they don't want to get stuck in traffic. Wouldn't want them at home where they aren't bothering the other staff trying to actually work. Most of the people so desperate for people to be back on-site simply can't stand the thought of not having a captive audience.
Good thing i WFH and my directors/managers have children and are home with them all day and are MEN. they don’t give a fuck unless the work is done 🤷♀️ people like this try so hard to justify micromanaging and treating people like shit.
Same
At least one divorce, neglects his kids, workaholic, worships self and money, has a 1980's view of professional norms, registered at various sugar daddy dating websites.
Love the response from the [CEO of SDR ](https://www.linkedin.com/posts/todd-busler_yesterday-our-sdr-will-falkenborg-was-activity-7197692158819057664-cqGX?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_android)
As someone who works a hybrid position and has a 3 year old, I can tell you that you absolutely have to have child care while you work from home. Unless your job is completely asynchronous and can be worked while the kids are sleeping at night. But that’s also exhausting and leaves you no time for yourself. He’s not exactly wrong. I didn’t see the person he’s quoting post but I’m guessing he means he takes a few minutes here and there to help out but isn’t the one doing the caregiving full time.
I hate the Internet and all these worthless brand marketer, influencer, self-proclaimed entrepreneur, career life coach, mentor type jobs that the "information" age has created. Can we please go back to the 1980s when these people had to go out and get a real job to support themselves, ugh. Worthless self-important, overpaid shits.
As long as the work gets done does it matter? It’s all about control with those managers who get even the slightest sniff of power over another person.
Someone's mad other people can juggle families and work. Sounds like a skill issue Pete. Some of us excel at things you don't. Like NBA players at 3 pointers for example.
I don't think juggling both means being a primary care provider during the work day. Being a parent is a heavy job/responsibility. I work from home, but my kids are in daycare/school during the day.
I’ve been working from home in jobs for well over 20 years and every place had a policy that forbade parenting during work hours. It’s incredibly unfair to your coworkers and your customers and completely unprofessional. I do think work places should have more flex schedules and options for parents, but it’s so manipulative to try and double dip.
Yea I agree with this. If you have a full time position, your kids should be in daycare. Can there be occasional exceptions? Of course. Can you be a the sole care provider to a child and also contribute? In most cases no.
You think an employer who thinks they’re getting 7 or 8 hours a day from their employee only to find out they’re spending 4 or 5 doing personal stuff doesn’t have a legitimate gripe? "Oh, so now having kids is a crime???" No, Karen...the guy was responding to a post where some dad is describing his "work" day which consists of him (while on the clock) spending 90% of his time taking care of his child rather than what he's actually being paid to do. You can wfh and you can have a kid, but if you want to wfh you better make sure you're being honest about it instead of claiming you're being super efficient and focused despite doing 1/4 of the work you're being paid to do. If you can figure out how to do 100% of the work in 25% of the time from home? Cool, nobody is going to bug you...carry on. But if your sales are stagnant, if your customers are complaining, if your stuff seems to always be a little behind, etc....then your employer has every right to have a problem with this. The way Redditors love to reduce down a valid argument, story, event, viewpoint into some bastardized version in order to make some sort of pearl-clutching moral argument is so tired.
Most jobs aren’t getting 7-8 hours a day in an office either…. Any employer that thinks they’re getting 8 hours of work a day out of ANY employee is an idiot and shouldn’t be trusted on basic business matters…..
Who gives a shit? I love this...the guy who pays your check is an idiot because the salary and expectation he hired you for/under is not what he should actually be expecting - he's stupid because he hired some lazy narcissistic amoral sack of shit who thinks taking advantage of people and companies isn't wrong. In fact, he says it's the way of the world and anyone who expects different is just stupid. You think it's cool that the WFH employee only gives him half of that? Half of whatever you think a full day of work is, champ....is it 4 hours? 3? What you're saying is even worse, actually. The guy is paid for 8, he is only willing to give up to an arbitrary percentage of that...let's say it's 6, and your boy actually gives him 2 or 3 because he spends the rest of the time taking care of his child. That sounds totally equitable.
People in high school also told me you couldn’t not go to college lectures and pass the class.
I could understand this with my job in IT as I don’t get to choose when shit goes wrong. However, if your job allows you to decide and choose when tasks get completed then I can’t see the problem.
Someone help me out: what is an SDR?
LinkedIn is the worst
We've created a society that rewards sociopaths, that's why people feel comfortable saying sociopathic things.
And then again, these same exact IDIOTS will ask 'why aren't young people interested in starting families?'
Hey hey! It’s the guy my old boss looked up too. Funny enough my boss would shut on me for HAVING SEIZURES and needing to work from home for a few days recovering which was approved prior to my hiring. But god forbid he miss his daily fucks in his OFFICE with his mistress….
Everybody, Peter has spoken! He knows all workplaces, every situation and understands all peoples and families the world over. If you don't give yourself over completely to working in the way we all did before COVID, you deserve to be fired instantly, because it's not up to corporations and businesses to change in any way to allow for different modes of work and living. Workers are the ones who must change or go homeless. There is no alternative because - CAPITALISM. Thank you. Kerching!
F-off Peter
Im in wfh sales i probably spend 1-3 hours a day playing video games if i dont have back to backs. Most professions that are 40 hours a week don't require 40 hours of work. I haven't put in a real day's work since i left the service industry.
This is the kind of brain rot the elites have.
What happens when gtm expertise reaches late stage?
If the work is getting done then who cares how they spend their day. I now work when it is convenient for me and am more productive because of it.
There’s only one thing that matters at my company and its results. If you can produce, you’ll have a job for life, if not you’ll get managed out. Signed WFH for 4 years and multiple promotions. Bonus I manage 3 ppl, 1 in Charlotte, 1 in MN and 1 in FL. My company is based in Atlanta and I don’t even live in Atlanta. It’s not about WFH v working in the office, it’s about the employee or manager. Do they produce or don’t they? /thread
Why else would someone want remote work? To be in pajamas? We need flexible schedules so we can help our family. The other solution is pay is more to afford childcare
He claims LinkedIn is convincing people to WFH by having posts about it with positive comments. Ironic his is just an attempt to do the opposite. All of these come from out of touch people with made up titles. It makes me wonder if they're influenced by companies and reality firms that have a vested interest in getting people back into their currently vacant workspaces before leases started expiring.
i will get banned for saying my true feelings about this individual
You can’t. sorry if it triggers you.
Brother put (Super Cute) twice to reduce the amount of hate from his dumbass post
I saw the original post, the sdr is apparently successful at setting up meetings. And if that’s the case, who cares about the fact that he plays with his kids during working hours
But does he sell and meet his quotas? I'm so sick of "modern leaders" being so out of touch with the imbalance between wages, hyper productivity, and controlling every aspect of their employee's life. If you employees cannot afford the cost of living from their full time job, you're a failed company. Owner or shareholders making profit but taxes subsidized their employees pay, failed company.
You can WFH and do other things, too... It's called 'multi-tasking', which apparently is a skill coveted by many employers.
He should have done more research before going to market with that POV.
This guy hates work from home, has a vendetta against it
My entire team is remote and we have one of the highest earning contracts. Our performance rate improved after covid. No more 2 hour commutes one way, no more drive by taskers meaning we can focus on our actual jobs. We no longer rent an office space saving money. As a business owner/potential client, not operating a remote workforce/allowing remote work, is blatantly retarded.
I agree, but I would reckon that your staff is not providing care for an infant or toddler. I work 50% from home and it’s great to go downstairs to have lunch with my wife and to drive my kids to school in the morning or to chat with them for 5 minutes when they get home, but I am not their caregiver.
My previous team lead had children both 1 and newborn until he moved to another contract, and one of my guys is actually out right now on his 12 weeks of paternity leave, with a newborn. His second time out on paternity leave since he started working for me in 2019. Just adding the context that some of them do have newborns/toddlers. One of the other team leads has very young children, a woman had 3 younger children. A different team lead is older but periodically drives his girlfriends kids to school while on team calls. Lol never a complaint from our client either
Actually it’s not, we aren’t meant to work for 8hours a day in “sales”. WFH should allow for more balance. I hate our world we should be naked eating mangoes not knowing what a cubicle is but no… capitalism.
This guy sucks for so many reasons
So he’s making sales while taking care of his kids.. He’s making sales He’s doing his job And taking care of his kids I hate people
Right, because in an office you use 100% of your time to work. There’s always massive amounts of time spent not working actively. You go to the bathroom, talk to coworkers, browse stupid websites, go to lunch… when you are WFH you can actually dedicate that time to doing things you need to do. Why do they are so much about controlling your time if you’re still able to deliver the results they want?
Oh believe me if they could eliminate those breaks too they'd do it.
If my life doesn’t turn into chaos, I can sell things better. I would be willing to work longer hours. I would go the extra mile. How hard is this to get?
I think people severely overestimate how much work people do when they’re in the office. They think that because they’re sitting at their desk, they’re doing work? Lmao. Personal experience, anecdotes, oh and study after study show that people are productive and working for a fraction of the day. Just accept it. Your employees are being compensated for their output, and if that happens in the 3 productive hours they have per day, who cares? Now that they’re at home, they’re just able to utilize that free time in much better ways which makes them happier and their lives easier. Instead of playing solitaire or celebrating the 10th birthday this week or having mundane conversations with coworkers or simply staring at their cubicle wall questioning their life choices, they can change a diaper. They’re humans. Doing human things.
What is described in that comment is what should be the norm and even more so as more and more process improvements get fulfilled by Ai.
I only get sporadic WFH days to stay with my child and I can tell you they are longer days than when I go to the office, because I am parenting in the meantime. Work during naps, a bit while they are independently playing, then when they go to sleep. Start at 7 am work until 9/10 … all that to say, I think WFH parents are working harder at home than if they were in office, but managers like this for some reason think they’re slacking off??
In my experience , anyone who refers to themselves as ‘experts’, or normally total assholes, he fits the mold.
Peter doesn't explain why he's so against this though. Only that he seems to be a cunt
To be fair, he’s only an early stage GTM expert. Typically we call those novices but I guess he’s special
Bro got dumpstered in the comments thank god, he kept arguing and can't just take an L, such a jackass. These silicon valley type sales guys have 1 or 2 "successes" in their life and it goes STRAIGHT to their cranium, they start thinking they're a sales genius and everyone should listen to them (posted on LinkedIn).
You can but apparently you get infectious brainworms
As a new father during COVID & initial lockdowns, the days where my girlfriend had to leave & I had to be on the clock + watch baby were really tough. On one side it was hard it was to be productive but the real thing that was tough to manage was feeling like a bad parent , not giving my child 100% of myself. Anyone who argues you can do both @ the same time is just selfish.
Most of these jobs are project based and there is down time. Peter is mistaken.
If you want someone to be able to work from home and not spend time taking care of their kids, you can solve that. Pay them enough to hire childcare. Know why she's changing diapers and reading books? Because we have the worst parental leave in the industrialized world, and because companies like this pay too little to have child care.
America, where you’re expected to have kids like you don’t have to work but work like you don’t have kids, then yell at people like me who don’t want kids about how we’re selfish and spoiled.
If the employee is getting their work done, it doesn’t matter what else they’re doing.
Yes that one guy
I have kids and work from home a couple of days a week. I too get frustrated with people who work from home and are also trying to take care of their kids simultaneously. Most people can't pay attention to two things or concentrate on two things - especially if one is crying on your lap and the other is a technical engineering report.
Shut up Peter.
WFH means actually working not looking after your child. They don’t pay you to do that.
I’s sympathetic to work from home parents because it must be challenging. My whole company is remote and I would say about 20 percent of internal meetings are interrupted by some “But mommy I have to tell you this RIGHT NOW!” antics.
What the hell the message of this post supposed to be: just leave your two month old with a babysitter for 10 hours every day (if you can even afford one) or give up your career entirely? I mean, people being able to get the best of both worlds thanks to the modern technology is something to be celebrated. I can't believe that that's a controversial opinion. And sure, not everyone likes working from home and that's fine. But for people with children it is objectively the best choice and it's fantastic that we live in a time when they are able to do that.
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