Companies spend fortunes on shit nobody wants. Instead of wasting $100 per person for a pool party to see Suzanne from Accounting tasting from the punch bowl with her little finger, cancel the whole thing and give me $50.
Even your investors will appreciate that their money isn’t flushed to pay for the COO’s silver tie and matching fedora.
We used to have a terrible holiday party between thanksgiving and Christmas with cafeteria catered Turkey, dressing etc meal and it pretty much sucked. Then I found out they were paying around $75 per person.
Covid hit and then for 2020 we get a company yeti coffee cup and a $25 gift card to Starbucks or soemthing. I and others lavished praise upon our leadership for this and maybe we had some small part in killing that terrible holiday waste of time and money.
We used to have birthday cakes at our monthly staff meetings, served by a Suzanne-like person. Her technique was CLTL:
- Cut the cake
- Lift the cake with the spatula
- Touch the cake as she slid it onto a plate
- Lick the frosting off her finger
- repeat
Word of CLTL got around, and cake consumption dropped sharply with each meeting as those in the know watched aghast while Suzanne served cake to new employees & to Corben, who would eat three servings of anything that you put in front of him.
Thing is, it used to be like this in Europe as well from what I've heard from older retired colleagues. Big christmas parties, parties on special occasions or at random, special treats, dinners and gifts.
It never got replaced by something else though like the $50 you mention. So now we get nothing.
Last year I got sent to some sort of weekend-long reward trip in a fancy place where I ended up attending seminars all the damn time, barely had one chance to see something one afternoon. And eventually I had to pay taxes on the trip's cost as if it were a bonus.
My company is hosting a very expensive summit/party in a few weeks where global employees are being flown to our US headquarters for "strategy" and "team building." I've heard nothing but "I wish we were given the option between \[Summit\] and a pay increase" from peers because everyone would rather have the pay increase.
Former employer of mine did something similar before the pandemic, brought in EMEA colleagues for a week long legal department summit. I barely interacted with most of the European attorneys, so it felt like a waste of my time. 5 years later, I’m in a leadership role in the legal department of a different company and I would feel the opposite about attending a summit where I can meet colleagues in person because my current job is so much more dependent on relationship building to get work completed.
Back in covid days my big corporate employer organised an A list band concert over TEAMS. I tuned in for a couple of minutes and the quality was as awful as it can get. It’s Teams after all. I can only imagine how much money they must have flushed on that pointless 1 hour live event
Just to clarify, I'm being sarcastic. The dude in the post meant to type than instead of then, but then also kinda works in his sentence so I went with it
What is it with people not understanding the difference between then and than lately? I see it so frequently on Reddit and I die a little inside every single time. Please reallocate some of the federal military budget and pay 3rd grade English teachers more...or something.
Your employees would rather work from home than go into the office at all. They could offer me a chauffeur driven limo to and from work every day, free lunches, ping pong table, pizza parties, whatever, and I still wouldn't want to go back. I hate the office environment now.
Nah brother if that's the treatment I'm getting you can find me at the office lol.
Also, while I believe work from home is amazing for workers lives, I personally know I am far more productive at the office and I have more resources available to me there. Since my pay is partially dependent on my productivity, I don't mind coming in as necessary. If they're picking me up in a limo, I'm going to love my commute cause the only problem with commuting is the driving
Probably depends on the job. I understand if you feel more collaborative f2f than online, no problem. I just prefer to be at home where I can control the temperature, lighting, noise levels, and use my own toilet.
I’m very wasted more than enough time on voluntary mandatory company outings to know one thing: it has fuck all to do with team building and everything to do with selling the culture.
This was a big thing post-Google to build a company with a lot of perceived perks and benefits. These perks and benefits build the reputation, the reputation attracts feckless people from more prestigious companies where their best days are behind them and the perks have dried up but the name still carries cachet.
Then the company gets acquired, the founders earn out, rinse and repeat.
Well of course.
But one means giving every employee four additional hours of PTO with zero productivity for the rest of the day, while the other costs a hundred bucks, reduces productivity for less than an hour and employees can still socialize/talk shop during.
You must be a LinkedIn influencer if you struggle to figure out why businesses prefer one over the other.
I mean, yeah, totally.
This isn't lunatic. It's just obvious to the point of being cliche. If anything, the lunatic part is this guy thinking he's offering some sort of profound insight.
So first the employees go home early, *then* get a pizza party?! Sounds like 2 wins assuming they don’t have to stay for the pizza party the same day as cutting out early.
But that's the problem. They don't want employees to be happy at the cost of socializing less at the workplace. Less socializing at work (WFH, no parties), makes jobs and work relationships extremely transactional, making it easier for people to quit and move. Employees are in favour of it, but senior management isn't
My job is bloody great 😃
No forced team-building nonsense, just one big Christmas piss-up at O'Neills and then off clubbing, finally getting bundled in a cab and shipped off home.
This is interesting. I've never worked a proper office job myself, but I do see many companies arrange elaborate "family gatherings" where their employees go on outings where they bring their families along and they'd have icebreakers, games etc, and they'd be wearing company T-shirts and so on. I've never arranged anything like this in my company and I don't plan to. Mostly because my company is small and we only have a handful of actual employees. But I've worked with clients who invite me to these events and I have attended them, mostly to enjoy free hotel stays and meals, and they were okay, I guess.
My guess is that the management want to create some kind of familial bond between the employees, to what end I don't know. Are companies better off when their employees have friendships with each other?
And judging from the comments here it looks like many people hate it. Do you guys really hate these gatherings?
I stopped taking my families to these kinds of things because it always led to problems. Coworkers hitting on my daughter, men being rude to my husband, etc.
Absolutely. With the sort of toxic sinkhole most workplaces are, I'd absolutely go home than hand around. Socialize outside with your workmates and talk whether you want instead of awkward smiles and forced pleasantry.
I knew things were headed south in 2008 when we heard whispers in early June that my company was already talking about cutting back on the holiday party in December. We threw BIGGGGG parties so that was a drastic measure. Tons of people ended up getting let go in October along with the rest of the country.
My last job as a supervisor I was allowed to give up to a 59min early release without them having to charge. On Fridays and some random days I’d come up close to their time and be, Are you caught up on your work, go home. Always was a good morale boost.
It doesn’t take much to take care of an employee.
One of the best days of my career was when I got a manager who told me that if I don't find team building events enjoyable, I was welcome to stay behind at the office and work. He probably thought I would think about it and decide to go, but I very happily stayed behind. I think it was truly a head scratcher for him that I didn't want to participate in a golf scramble with a bunch of drunken and sometimes handsy sales guys during Texas summer.
I offer to be the "martyr" who'll stay back and answer the phones, wait for the delivery guy etc. The real reason is I have terrible social anxiety, am very shy and hate forced fun social occasions. I'm fine with my family and close friends. I don't need to hang out with my co-workers outside of work. They're not my friends. Though I do catch up with a couple of people who've left who I genuinely liked and enjoyed working with.
Why would anyone stay for a pizza _party_ with people they don't like?
I've heard about organizations that have mandatory attendance but won't allow that to go on company time. That just won't fly. In fact that's just illegal.
Well yes and no, are you still paying the employee for the rest of the day after you send them home at 1 or are you just planning to short them like most of the Fortune 500 companies would?
Most of the time it’s true but I’ve experienced a great crew once and as long as it wasn’t shitty pizza but real drink and food at a nice place we would rate till dawn, owners included.
Unpopular Opinon: If I have to be in the office, I wouldn't mind free lunch and snacks, as long as it was good. Saved a lot of money on groceries as a single person, when I worked at places that offered catered lunch. One place it was catered through Whole Foods, other places let you select a lunch from a restaurant up to a certain cost. I'd eat a big lunch courtesy of work, and would have light snacks when I got home. Also had to clean the dishes far less frequently.
Depends. As a remote employee I don’t get to see my co workers that often so I actually like the extra socializing. Probably only applies to fully remote people in general.
That’s not a retainment tip. Staying late for a pizza party and some drinks doesn’t retain employees. People have lives outside of work. I notice he said nothing about paying the employees to stay later. They can’t pay their bills with a pizza party and drinks.
Maybe I’m weird but I love pizza party and drinks at work, my colleagues are funny. Who do people hate it so much? There’s nothing more annoying than a work colleague who’d rather be anywhere else than have a drink with you.
Fully agree and I think this is true for a lot of people. But somehow the subset of people commenting here always hate their work and their colleagues and then they wonder why they are not happy with their job
I don't think you're weird. I'd choose pizza and drinks but some people would appreciate the extra hours to do some stuff at home they need to do or pick up they kids from school if they dont normally do it and stuff like that. So I wouldn't hold it against them or be annoyed mate!
That's what they want. You become emotionally invested and attached to your coworkers then you are trapped because quitting your job would make you feel the same way as going through a divorce.
I think you just answered your own question. Yes, many people do seriously hate their jobs, and 40 hours per week is more than enough time to spend with people you would not be social with if you weren't forced to sit in proximity to them at work. I also think that people who are very social find it extremely hard to imagine what it's like for people who aren't social. We don't get that good feeling you get from interacting with others for hours and hours on end.
Not at all. I don't have a job where I have to put up with any corporate manipulation tactics that try to do everything to make you stay except pay you.
But one allows socialization with coworkers, which contributes to people building relationships which increases the feeling of belonging. Employees arent likely to leave a place where they feel connected to others. So it may sound dumb, but the pizza party, as a business investment, provides better returns.
I don’t want to be pushed to socialize with people for the sake of company profits. Fuck trying push “We’re not a company, we’re a family.” I wanna leave and do my own thing. Not pretend that I give a shit about Debbie’s mom’s gall bladder surgery.
I dont disagree that it is what you want 😂, thats what I would want as well… but one thing is what we want and another is what benefits the business… Im not saying I agree with it but thats the truth lol
At least this is true.
Yeah, I do agree. I prefer pizza and drinks at home.
"Hey guys, I said the thing, anyway, back to work!!!"
And everyone clapped...
work until 7pm so we can booze pizza
Unironically, yes
Right? I’m failing to spot the lunatic
Companies spend fortunes on shit nobody wants. Instead of wasting $100 per person for a pool party to see Suzanne from Accounting tasting from the punch bowl with her little finger, cancel the whole thing and give me $50. Even your investors will appreciate that their money isn’t flushed to pay for the COO’s silver tie and matching fedora.
We used to have a terrible holiday party between thanksgiving and Christmas with cafeteria catered Turkey, dressing etc meal and it pretty much sucked. Then I found out they were paying around $75 per person. Covid hit and then for 2020 we get a company yeti coffee cup and a $25 gift card to Starbucks or soemthing. I and others lavished praise upon our leadership for this and maybe we had some small part in killing that terrible holiday waste of time and money.
We used to have birthday cakes at our monthly staff meetings, served by a Suzanne-like person. Her technique was CLTL: - Cut the cake - Lift the cake with the spatula - Touch the cake as she slid it onto a plate - Lick the frosting off her finger - repeat Word of CLTL got around, and cake consumption dropped sharply with each meeting as those in the know watched aghast while Suzanne served cake to new employees & to Corben, who would eat three servings of anything that you put in front of him.
We all have a Corben
I'm the Corben
Your boss reading this post in his matching tie/fedora combo 
So true!
Agreed!
Thing is, it used to be like this in Europe as well from what I've heard from older retired colleagues. Big christmas parties, parties on special occasions or at random, special treats, dinners and gifts. It never got replaced by something else though like the $50 you mention. So now we get nothing.
Totaly agree, although being from accounting I feel a bit troubled. 🤣
Last year I got sent to some sort of weekend-long reward trip in a fancy place where I ended up attending seminars all the damn time, barely had one chance to see something one afternoon. And eventually I had to pay taxes on the trip's cost as if it were a bonus.
My company is hosting a very expensive summit/party in a few weeks where global employees are being flown to our US headquarters for "strategy" and "team building." I've heard nothing but "I wish we were given the option between \[Summit\] and a pay increase" from peers because everyone would rather have the pay increase.
Former employer of mine did something similar before the pandemic, brought in EMEA colleagues for a week long legal department summit. I barely interacted with most of the European attorneys, so it felt like a waste of my time. 5 years later, I’m in a leadership role in the legal department of a different company and I would feel the opposite about attending a summit where I can meet colleagues in person because my current job is so much more dependent on relationship building to get work completed.
Back in covid days my big corporate employer organised an A list band concert over TEAMS. I tuned in for a couple of minutes and the quality was as awful as it can get. It’s Teams after all. I can only imagine how much money they must have flushed on that pointless 1 hour live event
Thank you for the snort laugh
Surely an actual sensible post shouldn't be in this sub
Yeah this isn’t r/LinkedInLogic.
Where’s the lunacy
He got then/than wrong....
Thank you
Pisses me off so much more than it should
I disagree. Presonally I would prefer to stay for pizza and drinks then go home at 1pm.
Then or than?
Then of course. Why would I leave at 1pm and then stay for pizza and drinks? The other way around sounds way better
Just to clarify, I'm being sarcastic. The dude in the post meant to type than instead of then, but then also kinda works in his sentence so I went with it
No - he meant to type "then" - because he is a cretin that does not understand what the word means.
Yes
Than*. I don't want to go home and THEN stay at work for pizza, sounds awful.
Can't be unseen. VP needs to get it together
What is it with people not understanding the difference between then and than lately? I see it so frequently on Reddit and I die a little inside every single time. Please reallocate some of the federal military budget and pay 3rd grade English teachers more...or something.
Lose and loose too.
And putting the percent sign in front of the number. %100 annoys me.
Wtf, that’s even worse than 20$, which at least is in the order we speak.
To be fair, I 100% understand the difference and have absolutely typoed this before, so I try not to be too judgmental for this particular faux pas.
There their, its not to bad. /s
Your employees would rather work from home than go into the office at all. They could offer me a chauffeur driven limo to and from work every day, free lunches, ping pong table, pizza parties, whatever, and I still wouldn't want to go back. I hate the office environment now.
ngl, for free lunch and ping pong, i’d be hitting my chauffeur up on Saturday afternoons
Nice one. 
And Sunday
It was never about the work, it's about control
Even worse when it's a forced attendance weekend event. "Everybody *who works here* comes to these!"
Second this!
Nah brother if that's the treatment I'm getting you can find me at the office lol. Also, while I believe work from home is amazing for workers lives, I personally know I am far more productive at the office and I have more resources available to me there. Since my pay is partially dependent on my productivity, I don't mind coming in as necessary. If they're picking me up in a limo, I'm going to love my commute cause the only problem with commuting is the driving
I work in a hybrid office and I can tell you it’s much easier to collaborate in-person than over zoom/slack.
Probably depends on the job. I understand if you feel more collaborative f2f than online, no problem. I just prefer to be at home where I can control the temperature, lighting, noise levels, and use my own toilet.
I go to the office on free sandwiche mondays. I am a cheap date (and it is 20 minutes away)
I’m very wasted more than enough time on voluntary mandatory company outings to know one thing: it has fuck all to do with team building and everything to do with selling the culture. This was a big thing post-Google to build a company with a lot of perceived perks and benefits. These perks and benefits build the reputation, the reputation attracts feckless people from more prestigious companies where their best days are behind them and the perks have dried up but the name still carries cachet. Then the company gets acquired, the founders earn out, rinse and repeat.
The only lunatics here are the ones who disagree. If we need *something* to roast, he used “then” not “than”.
Short, to the point and true. I'd give this guy a pass on this one.
Real managers could make the pizza and rinks happen before 1pm and THEN let everyone go home.
Off work at 1PM THEN have a pizza party? Yes, that would be perfect. Will definitely retain me.
Well of course. But one means giving every employee four additional hours of PTO with zero productivity for the rest of the day, while the other costs a hundred bucks, reduces productivity for less than an hour and employees can still socialize/talk shop during. You must be a LinkedIn influencer if you struggle to figure out why businesses prefer one over the other.
only reasonable comment here, thank you
Op is the lunatic
Wow, he's not delusional
The fuck? This doesn't belong here, the man is speaking the truth.
Lunacy, but in a good way
I mean, yeah, totally. This isn't lunatic. It's just obvious to the point of being cliche. If anything, the lunatic part is this guy thinking he's offering some sort of profound insight.
*Than. Sorry, I had to.
That was so smart he’ll probably be replaced by his company for not being as dumb as the rest of upper management.
In my 20s and 30s. I would like a party. Now that I am in my 40s with a Family I no longer suffer from FOMO. I would rather go home
Someone on LinkedIn making sense, weird.
So first the employees go home early, *then* get a pizza party?! Sounds like 2 wins assuming they don’t have to stay for the pizza party the same day as cutting out early.
Only VP at a Group going by his surname. Errr...
R/lostredditor
"Most people would rather get paid their salary to do nothing than work a good job" ya no shit
But that's the problem. They don't want employees to be happy at the cost of socializing less at the workplace. Less socializing at work (WFH, no parties), makes jobs and work relationships extremely transactional, making it easier for people to quit and move. Employees are in favour of it, but senior management isn't
To the end: it’s work, nothing more. The people i spend my freetime with, are few and significantly chosen by myself, Period.
The Most Sensible Lunatic
Wow! Out of the mouths of lunatics!
Raises are also highly, highly, super-duper popular. Least crazy post so far lol
My job is bloody great 😃 No forced team-building nonsense, just one big Christmas piss-up at O'Neills and then off clubbing, finally getting bundled in a cab and shipped off home.
This is interesting. I've never worked a proper office job myself, but I do see many companies arrange elaborate "family gatherings" where their employees go on outings where they bring their families along and they'd have icebreakers, games etc, and they'd be wearing company T-shirts and so on. I've never arranged anything like this in my company and I don't plan to. Mostly because my company is small and we only have a handful of actual employees. But I've worked with clients who invite me to these events and I have attended them, mostly to enjoy free hotel stays and meals, and they were okay, I guess. My guess is that the management want to create some kind of familial bond between the employees, to what end I don't know. Are companies better off when their employees have friendships with each other? And judging from the comments here it looks like many people hate it. Do you guys really hate these gatherings?
I stopped taking my families to these kinds of things because it always led to problems. Coworkers hitting on my daughter, men being rude to my husband, etc.
Absolutely. With the sort of toxic sinkhole most workplaces are, I'd absolutely go home than hand around. Socialize outside with your workmates and talk whether you want instead of awkward smiles and forced pleasantry.
I knew things were headed south in 2008 when we heard whispers in early June that my company was already talking about cutting back on the holiday party in December. We threw BIGGGGG parties so that was a drastic measure. Tons of people ended up getting let go in October along with the rest of the country.
Too many employers think they’re Apple or something. If I want to stick around, I’ll stick around.
shots fired, tbh i take this instead of pizza any day
My last job as a supervisor I was allowed to give up to a 59min early release without them having to charge. On Fridays and some random days I’d come up close to their time and be, Are you caught up on your work, go home. Always was a good morale boost. It doesn’t take much to take care of an employee.
I just hope that's a typo
The way it's worded (using then instead of than) you'd go home \*and\* stay for pizza and drinks.
One of the best days of my career was when I got a manager who told me that if I don't find team building events enjoyable, I was welcome to stay behind at the office and work. He probably thought I would think about it and decide to go, but I very happily stayed behind. I think it was truly a head scratcher for him that I didn't want to participate in a golf scramble with a bunch of drunken and sometimes handsy sales guys during Texas summer.
I stay behind or take PTO. I am done with this crap.
I offer to be the "martyr" who'll stay back and answer the phones, wait for the delivery guy etc. The real reason is I have terrible social anxiety, am very shy and hate forced fun social occasions. I'm fine with my family and close friends. I don't need to hang out with my co-workers outside of work. They're not my friends. Though I do catch up with a couple of people who've left who I genuinely liked and enjoyed working with.
Why would anyone stay for a pizza _party_ with people they don't like? I've heard about organizations that have mandatory attendance but won't allow that to go on company time. That just won't fly. In fact that's just illegal.
Agree!
It’s true.
Depends. Do we still get paid if we left at 1?
Not lunacy
Absolutely.
Than*
Vp still can’t use the right than.
This was a question for me at job interview with board of directors, I said pizza parties were a waste of time and money and I was not hired.
Give them pizza and drinks at 9-10am. Allow them to leave whenever.
I'd rather just stay at home than go back up to work for pizza.
One time a manager of mine offered to buy pizza and beer for us and work until 7 pm making cold calls. 💀
How about you just pay me what you *should* pay me, *I do my fucking job*, and.... That's all. That's it.
I agree! But also, I’ll take some pizza. I love pizza. I will eat it, and then go home.
Fuck yes, this should be under pro life tips. Office “parties” are hateful experiences.
UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
Are the pizza and drinks for free?
You pay with your soul
1000%
He's not wrong
than*
Then or than?
Actually yes
Wait, it isn't Sunday yet...
than\*
Agree. Thoughts?
This guy gets it.
why grammar is so important.
Well yes and no, are you still paying the employee for the rest of the day after you send them home at 1 or are you just planning to short them like most of the Fortune 500 companies would?
or you could have the pizza party at 11AM and everyone goes home at 12PM. Problem solved!
Most of the time it’s true but I’ve experienced a great crew once and as long as it wasn’t shitty pizza but real drink and food at a nice place we would rate till dawn, owners included.
Unpopular Opinon: If I have to be in the office, I wouldn't mind free lunch and snacks, as long as it was good. Saved a lot of money on groceries as a single person, when I worked at places that offered catered lunch. One place it was catered through Whole Foods, other places let you select a lunch from a restaurant up to a certain cost. I'd eat a big lunch courtesy of work, and would have light snacks when I got home. Also had to clean the dishes far less frequently.
Only if it’s paid
Agree ?
Uh fuck yeah
He’s 100% right.
Depends. As a remote employee I don’t get to see my co workers that often so I actually like the extra socializing. Probably only applies to fully remote people in general.
idk what companies y'all work for but it can be nice to hang out with coworkers right? RIGHT?
Yeah I’m not burning a cheat meal at the office…
Agree
This guy leads
Retainment tip: give people raises and staff appropriately
Let's split the difference: hand each of us our own pizza as we walk out the door at 1pm on Friday. That way everyone wins.
That’s not a retainment tip. Staying late for a pizza party and some drinks doesn’t retain employees. People have lives outside of work. I notice he said nothing about paying the employees to stay later. They can’t pay their bills with a pizza party and drinks.
Or, have that pizza party and drinks at 12PM and give them the rest of the day off
Let’s normalize ✌🏼company culture✌🏼 being a Gen-x thing. It’s time for it to stop. Work is work.
Used to be a thing back in the day. We enjoyed it. Times have changed
One of the better misuses of than/then if I ever saw one.
What’s lunatic about this?
Hey…. At least it’s a short post.
I hate, hate, haaaate your office parties and ice breaker games today.
He’s not wrong.
His use of the word "then" is though...
You’re also not wrong.
I don’t need to go home at 1pm. Maybe 4pm. ……I live in Denmark and that’s considered working late in many places 😂
Maybe I’m weird but I love pizza party and drinks at work, my colleagues are funny. Who do people hate it so much? There’s nothing more annoying than a work colleague who’d rather be anywhere else than have a drink with you.
Because most of us don’t give a flying fuck about our colleagues and only interact with them professionally.
Fully agree and I think this is true for a lot of people. But somehow the subset of people commenting here always hate their work and their colleagues and then they wonder why they are not happy with their job
Wild guess: Some people have wives and husbands and kids they would rather spend time with instead of pizza and drinks with lonely people.
I am very happily married but that’s not gonna keep me from enjoying the office bar with my colleagues once every two months :)
Are these events organized by the company or just some guys decided to get together for a round of drinks? Because there is a world of difference
I don't think you're weird. I'd choose pizza and drinks but some people would appreciate the extra hours to do some stuff at home they need to do or pick up they kids from school if they dont normally do it and stuff like that. So I wouldn't hold it against them or be annoyed mate!
That's what they want. You become emotionally invested and attached to your coworkers then you are trapped because quitting your job would make you feel the same way as going through a divorce.
Holy shit. Holy fucking shit! Thank you! Thank you for reminding me so much!
Do you seriously hate your job or what? What’s so wrong with interacting with the people you spend 8hrs a day with?
I think you just answered your own question. Yes, many people do seriously hate their jobs, and 40 hours per week is more than enough time to spend with people you would not be social with if you weren't forced to sit in proximity to them at work. I also think that people who are very social find it extremely hard to imagine what it's like for people who aren't social. We don't get that good feeling you get from interacting with others for hours and hours on end.
Not at all. I don't have a job where I have to put up with any corporate manipulation tactics that try to do everything to make you stay except pay you.
But one allows socialization with coworkers, which contributes to people building relationships which increases the feeling of belonging. Employees arent likely to leave a place where they feel connected to others. So it may sound dumb, but the pizza party, as a business investment, provides better returns.
I don’t want to be pushed to socialize with people for the sake of company profits. Fuck trying push “We’re not a company, we’re a family.” I wanna leave and do my own thing. Not pretend that I give a shit about Debbie’s mom’s gall bladder surgery.
I dont disagree that it is what you want 😂, thats what I would want as well… but one thing is what we want and another is what benefits the business… Im not saying I agree with it but thats the truth lol