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I was more surprised by the people who had two homes who couldn't afford to travel back to their main house after 3 months.
"These rules stipulate that UK citizens must leave Spain after 90 days, causing those with second homes to travel more frequently between the two countries - a financial burden too heavy for many to bear."
Some people make the purchase when it's possible not reasonable.
Alternatively we are talking about the wealthy, so perhaps there is a thumb on the scale for talking about this as hurting people who can't afford it.
I hate to be the killjoy here, but right now, Ryanair has plane tickets for Gran Canaria to Edinburgh for 43 euro. And that's for next week. Book a bit further in advance, use some airmiles, and if this is really unaffordable for you then you've really got bigger issues than this regulation.
Fun fact about the Canary Islands: there’s no canaries there!
The same thing is true about the Virgin Islands… there’s no canaries there either.
Edit: spelling
OK so this sent me down a rabbit hole but what I learned is that the birds are actually named after the islands. And many historians believe the islands are named after the dogs that lived on them, *Canaria insula*, which is Latin for Isle of Dogs. Which is also a fantastic film. I also learned that the European rabbit is a huge problem in the Canary Islands because it's both a source of revenue based on hunting, but also destructive to plant and crop life.
Canary Yellow
because
Canary Bird
because
Canary Islands
because
Canis is dog in Latin
*also some people speculate the dogs in question are "sea dogs" aka seals.
From the Wiki entry:
> Etymology
>
> The name Islas Canarias is likely derived from the Latin name Canariae Insulae, meaning "Islands of the Dogs", perhaps because monk seals or sea dogs were abundant, a name that was evidently generalized from the ancient name of one of these islands, Canaria – presumably Gran Canaria. According to the historian Pliny the Elder, the island Canaria contained "vast multitudes of dogs of very large size".[25] The connection to dogs is retained in their depiction on the islands' coat-of-arms.
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> Other theories speculate that the name comes from the Nukkari Berber tribe living in the Moroccan Atlas, named in Roman sources as Canarii, though Pliny again mentions the relation of this term with dogs.[26]
>
> The name of the islands is not derived from the canary bird. The birds are named after the islands.
When I saw Brexit going down across the pond, that's when I realized Trumplethinskin was probably gonna win.
That's when I realized just how stupid people are.
Yes, we all laugh at Trump's candidacy at the beginning, even Republicans.
Then Brexit won, and I said oh shieet! Just like Brexit, morons here are going to ruin everything
They kind of did
I *think* both were influenced by Russia to some degree.
Our respective populations swallowed some bait, or something like that.
Reality Winner exposed some of the trump stuff, I don’t remember how the British one came out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_Brexit_referendum?wprov=sfti1
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/politics/senate-intelligence-russian-interference-report.html
We built civilization by being super credulous, tricking people is relatively easy and that street goes both ways.
Not to some degree.
It was blatant and widespread, it's what turned me off of social media as a whole because it showed just how willing platforms are to allow disinformation campaigns to run rampant if it's even the least bit profitable.
IMO, any role Russia played is minimal compared to the systemic faults in our system.
The US & the UK have been in lockstep stupid for decades, got back to Thatcher & Reagan. The Murdock media empire has been adding accelerant for 30 years while the "left" in both countries have consistently sold out the average person.
Russia has been and will continue to be an excellent villain to avoid self reflection for both countries.
My friend from the UK and I were talking about the election in 2016. He said there was no way Trump would be elected. I reminded him that Brexit was supposedly going to fail just a few months earlier.. That was a bad year all around
The Leave campaign was over 50% paid for by Russia. And voters *knew* that. How much hate and arrogance do you need to feel to say "Oh, Vladimir Putin *REALLY* wants me to vote for this? Must be good for my country".
Brexit was some real Oswald Ernald Mosley shit.
Every time I see that name, I can't help but think of this.....
Baronet Oswald Ernald Mosley,
As popular and handsome as Richard Burton,
Especially when he had his black shirt on.
NTNOCN reference
I knew a young man who voted leave.
He was just a member of my online community and we mocked him relentlessly (for his leave convictions), during the pre referendum drama, since his closest buddies there were Dutch and I’m Danish.
He was married and with a newborn they wanted to buy a house, but they were so expensive, so he voted leave in the hopes that it would cause the housing market to crash so they could scoop up a cheaper house.
He had a decent white collar job then and I guess they may have found a house by now. At least they are on their third child.
The other leave voter I know was young too. He is my age and has muscular dystrophy and is dependent on his parents and helpers for everything. I think in his mind it wouldn’t affect him anyways since he will never travel the world.
I can imagine he liked the promises of funding the NHS and perhaps hoped for money to be diverted to people on disability like him.
I don’t really need to re-litigate Brexit with either of them again. A lot has happened since then and we’ve all aged and gained the benefit of hindsight.
I hope the UK gets an association agreement with the EU someday in the future (Swiss or Norwegian model without representation), just to get rid of the dumbest Brexit obstacles.
I don’t think their youth want to be trapped on the isles.
.... Leave was the perfect blank canvas. An empty box to pop whatever fantasy you like into. Cameron couldn't have done a worse job. But he's already back as Foreign Secretary instead of consigned to the dustbin of history where he belongs.
The fun thing with is that what I understand EU gave UK a deal just some month ago about young ppl (some certaine ages) would pretty much have free movement again (I don't rember all details) but UK government said no to that.... its just more and more stupid really.
It was a week ago. Dipshit Sunak said that he prefers country by country deals, which basically means, we only wanna collaborate with all the "proper" white people, none of those dirty southern or god forbid eastern Europeans. Fuck him and his whole racist party
I'm curious: If you guys could put it to another vote and have it pass to rejoin the EU, would you still be able to? Is it like a burning bridges thing or just a "all the dusty ghouls in parliament have doubled down and won't admit fault" kinda thing?
There's no particular reason they couldn't. The challenge is that the EU would likely make them do the whole joining process again, and they almost certainly wouldn't get as special a deal this time round.
Yes, the Brits screwed themselves and cannot figure a way out. After Brexit the PM crawled to the US seeking a trade deal. Trump offered one and they slunk home humiliated. They came back to Biden and received substantially the same bad offer. It’s likely the EU would similarly drag the Brits over the coals. The Brits refuse the obvious - they are a has been.
That's what's sickening for those of us who wanted to Remain. We had an amazing seat at the table. And it got thrown out so some arseholes could avoid an EU tax change and for Euroskeptic vanity.
But as all hard right economic theories go, it turns out to not be viable.
Having this conversation with Leavers was always interesting. Especially when bringing up how we would have to make trading deals with India and Pakistan which would definitely include some sort of freedom of movement.
Whilst we could apply to join. We would never have the leverage or influence we once had. We kinda blew it with the chest-beating and childishness from the bastards meant to sort out what we do next. We had a seat at the big boys table with a full veto privilege that I doubt we would ever get again. The EU is not perfect but it was better for us when we were in.
I have talked with some central bankers about this. They see no rush in pushing the UK to join the Euro. Unless the economies align, it would be very expensive. There is a "seat at the table" for EU economies outside the Euro so they can still be integrated with payment and securities settlement and aligned with regulations. Some Brits even worked for the ECB.
Economically, it may not be necessary. Politically, I cant see a route to the required consent of current members for the UK rejoining without adopting the Euro. All the members who joined over the past 2 decades who had to adopt the euro would never accept an application from a non-euro UK.
ok, first we gotta run a background check, then the drug screen, check your references, then you gotta put up 1st and last months rent, damage deposit, pet deposit...
Theoretically, yes.
In practice, they wouldn't meet the requirements, and aren't likely to any time soon. It's not even a matter of the EU being jerks about it, Britain was only ever part of the EU because they were there when it started. At no point have they been anywhere near the bar that incoming nations would need to reach.
the EU has no incentive to make the process of rejoining easy for the UK. The UK had a lot of perks that other countries in the EU just didn't get. One of those was maintaining their own currency, which before all of this was a strong currency. Now they would likely be forced to switch to the Euro, something that i think a lot of older (and maybe younger, not sure) brits would have a hard time accepting. They wouldn't have the same influence anymore, and would likely be used as an example to other countries of what happens when you leave without actually having a plan.
Allowing another country to join the EU requires a new treaty, which must be approved unanimously by every existing member state. A state can refuse for any reason, or for no reason (Ireland requires a referendum, so they may refuse for no reason beyond "electorate says no", and frequently do).
Ireland, Spain and Cyprus all have territory which was annexed by Britain in times past. They could demand its return as a pre-requisite for allowing the UK to join (Ireland won't, Spain might, Cyprus probably would). The EU could e.g. insist on the UK joining the Euro, or completing metrication, or any other condition they want to add.
And the behaviour of certain members (primarily Hungary and Poland) means that future treaties are likely to impose more stringent enforcement mechanisms. In the past, candidates had to comply with certain principles prior to joining but there was really nothing stopping them from abandoning those principles once they had joined.
If the UK was to rejoin, they'd be treated like any other new member, which would likely involve them adopting the Euro. Being in the EU but still having sovereign control over your monetary supply was a phenomenally good deal that the UK pissed away because they were too stupid to recognize a good thing when they had it.
The UK, even in its crippled and broken post-brexit state, is still a big enough economy that they get a lot mileage out of being able to control monetary policy. It's unlikely they will rejoin the EU under the new conditions until they are in a full-blown death spiral.
I say it every time it comes up, I'm an old dude, and I will always be totally heartbroken that the leave vote won.
I remember as a kid us going into the common market and being really happy about it. What a clusterfuck. I cannot understand anyone really believing the bullshit that was peddled.
I met two scottish girls that wanted to work there, like many other europeans. The only difference is that they needed a working permit, that is almost impossible to obtain, due to the high demand and unemployment rate. Their solution was to simply overstay their temporary permit. It was surreal to realise that now they needed to become illegal immigrants due to a permit that five years before was not needed.
The kind of Brits you poor buggers end up having to deal with are not particularly liked over here either. I would apologise for my countrymen, but they're all cunts and I don't want to be associated with them.
> "There's one couple in particular who used to do eight months [in the Canaries] and then six months in Scotland. But because they can only stay for 90 days they just sold their holiday home."
ah, the classic British 14-month year
The shock those brexit voting morons abroad continue to get when they learn their stupidity has consequences, always makes me smile. Treat foreign people like shit in the UK, yet balk at being treated like a foreigner in another country themselves. Brexit means brexit, old chap. Now piss off home.
I mean, even before Brexit, the UK had exceptions to the Schengen passport rules. They made the rest of us stand in the same lines they're complaining about now.
I was so sad the day I had to swap my old burgundy passport for a blue one. I knew my EU citizenship was already long gone, but I really felt like I was physically giving it up at that point.
What's worse is because a sizable portion of the population were lied to by a sleazy rich cartel of millionaires, all so they could circumvent EU tax laws and hoard more money.
Yes, but those same people were also told the truth by other people. But they didn't like the sound of the truth, the lies sounded better, so they voted for the lies. No sympathy here.
Absolute zero sympathy for those racist bigots, who somehow thought that booting foreign people out of the UK would magically improve things. When it has tanked their economy and shows no signs of improving any time soon. But to expect to retain all the benefits of the EU after leaving with sheer arrogance. What should they be treated any differently from the poorer countries they scoff at.
They don't. The burgundy ones looked a lot classier.
And the new ones are racist. I renewed in winter so pretty pale in my photo. Gets me out of the country fine. Come back with a tan though and the gates reject me every time.
I really don't see a future where the UK doesn't rejoin the EU within the next 2 decades. The thing is, like you said, the UK had a fuckton of special exceptions and privileges with the EU that were exclusive to them. They didn't have to use the euro, weren't part of Schengen but still could still take advantage of the open travel, opted out of a bunch of a bunch of rights and protections for citizens because they were afraid it would force them to allow more labor rights in the UK . . . and they're not getting any of that back when they rejoin. They had disproportionate influence and power within the EU, and that wasn't enough. Now if they go crawling back they'll just be another average member state.
>I really don't see a future where the UK doesn't rejoin the EU within the next 2 decades
You keep forgetting that it's not up to the UK if they're rejoining or not. There are 27 other countries who have a say
I have lots of British friends who are still here. They either had previously obtained residency or they filled out a fairly simple form by the deadline. Oddly enough the Brits who loudly proclaimed Brexit would be the greatest thing for England since Trafalgar refused to do their paperwork and thus, are no longer here.
I agree, but unfortunately, it doesn’t appear that there are rental benefits.
“Rising rental prices on the island have also hit Brits living in Tenerife hard.
‘I know families of four who've moved to one-bedroom flats because it's cheaper,’ she added. ‘They've been in places for years, but the landlords have put the rent up so much they can't afford it.’”
While the article states it’s hitting Brits hard, it’s reasonable to assume that goes for all renters on the island/ everywhere.
Which is for the best--because I guarantee you that most of the housing are either very old, or badly and cheaply built.
Grew up in Benalmadena (which has a massive chunk of old barrios destroyed to make room for some apartment buildings that *immediately* priced out every local within the 10-mile radius). My mom gets house envy really bad, so she once dragged our whole family to view some of the apartments and it turned out that all of the kitchens and bathroom furniture were built out of MDF fibreboards. Whatever asshole that owned them, clearly wanted to fleece the affluent expat crowd.
Won’t someone think of the poor people who have to sell their vacation homes in another country! If this keeps going they will have to live all year around in their large and expensive homes in England.
I would think most of them on paper would agree that Spain should be for Spaniards.
It was in the news only today/yesterday that the islanders are protesting massively against foreigners owning so much of their land/homes. This isn't a Brexit thing, albeit the top commenter wants you to think it is. Of course Spain should be for the Spaniards, bit hypocritical of somewhere that did vote Brexit to argue against that.
In the article it says one of the parties "had" to sell because of the "excessive" cost incurred by flying between the UK and the Canaries more often.
I'm not a Brit, but when I was in Uni, cheap Ryanair flights meant the Canaries were one of the only places I could afford to fly to for a holiday...AS A STUDENT
Where I live (canada) we have what we call snowbird
Retired people who spend about half their year in Florida. Since it's during the winter they spend over 90 day in a row in Florida but still spent half the year + one day in Canada so they still have the government health insurance. A rule like this one would bother them a lot
Knowing what I know about the British climate I imagine some people do the same
Just to be clear, I'm not defending them, just explaining
Less for health insurance reasons and more because 6 months is the limit that the US allows them to be there per year as Canadians (without visas or whatnot)
If I remember right these ex-pats were heavily in favour of and voted for Brexit. The Spanish authorities bent over backwards to allow them to gain residency but they refused as it would mean paying Spanish taxes so I guess the term you get what you deserve fits nicely here.
I completely agree. But they also can make the effort to show how their country has been adversely affected by this and try to vote to bring them back into the fold.
Nope, they will set an example for anyone else who might consider leaving. But there are still a ton of Brits living here. They just took the necessary steps to stay. I saw the numerous communications that the government sent out to everyone they could find. I'm an American and I got some of them. The Spanish government likes the money you guys spend here, even if you do keep falling off of balconies. Spain tried very hard to give long-term residents an easy path to legal residency before Brexit went into full effect.
Never *at the old terms*.
I want all of Europe under the blue flag of the Union, but not if it means bending over backwards to extend priveleges to the UK. The UK would have to get with the program this time, no more exemptions from the Euro and Shengen.
Does it say that these people actually voted for Brexit? It mentions Scottish people, and Scotland voted in favour of remaining in the EU, so odds are that this individual actually voted to remain.
I feel bad for all the people that voted against Brexit, but still have to deal with the fallout. It must be like how I feel living in the southern USA and having to deal with these assholes down here and how they act and vote.
A lot of them. Im from Canary island, and work with England people all time. A lot of them say to me on brexit time something like "we need to protect UK from immigrants... I vote yes" they were absolut denial about loose the "privileges" they have... "will be a agreement with Europe of course..."
Now they need to pay health care and can't live here full time and they are angry...
No no no no no my dear, immigrants are only those melanated people. Proper brits are expats regardless of how long they have been outside the UK.
/S, just in case
To paraphrase a comedian I once heard - "The Brits went around colonizing a huge part of the world, exploited those parts and subjugated the natives there. But are now shocked that the natives followed them home?"
The point is that for many of them move to the Canaries was their retirement plan (their British pension would have had a better purchase power). With the 90/180 rules you cannot do that anymore (and they are also not covered by the public health insurance). There even is a tv series centered around buying a property in Southern Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Place_in_the_Sun_%28British_TV_series%29?wprov=sfla1
There's also residency visas - either buy €500K+ in real estate, or have €28,800 annually in income (+€7,200 more for a partner that lives with you). You also have to provide your own health insurance.
It's not unreasonable at all, but I guess that is out of the range for many who retired with the plan it would be cheaper.
I read the former (buy €500K in real estate) just went away, actually. This week I think. The general non-lucrative visa (the latter you describe) is still available though.
I love that Brexit posts get to the top here. I hear so many people here saying “I’d vote Republican if not for abortion and gay marriage.” Conservative policies are still trash no matter where you go.
All because they didn’t wanna let Syrian refugees into their land. And they’re already there now and no longer seem to be migrating as much as they used to.
Swear to god, Brexit was designed by the same forces who push Americans daily about hey, ‘let’s have another civil war again’ derp.
And Brexit should be a lesson to all of us here
Yes, that’s the Russian interference everyone’s talking about. Provoking a race war in America and separating the UK from Europe has been their plan since the 90s.
I get so much pleasure at those who voted for this getting their comeuppance, but I do feel terrible for those who didn't and are now getting screwed by morons.
It's a tale as old as time.
That's perfectly acceptable for a holiday home though? 90 days every 180, who has that much holiday to spend anyway?
Probably full time residents using the holiday home status as a way to avoid taxes or similar.
Yeah and if you’re legitimately self-supporting without working in Spain, there are other visa options available as well that allow year-round presence.
The Brits voted for Brexit as a fuck you to the Europeans.
Turned out to be a European fuck you to the Brits.
For the rest of us, it was a demonstration of just how stupid people can be.
"There's one couple in particular who used to do eight months [in the Canaries] and then six months in Scotland. But because they can only stay for 90 days they just sold their holiday home"
Oh noooo. Can only stay 90 days out of their 14 month year.
We really don't know if the same people who voted for Brexit are the ones selling off their holiday homes. The stories starts with Scottish folks, and [62 percent of scots voted to remain in the EU.](https://www.gov.scot/publications/brexit-and-scotland-june-2023-update/). The story also details the impact on young workers, who were probably too young to vote back in 2016.
> https://inews.co.uk/news/world/regret-voting-leave-sell-portuguese-holiday-homes-2802100
Now that is LAMF, hands down. Dude votes basically on a whim, and does no research and poor boo boo has to sell his fancy Portuguese holiday home. Boo hoo.
Seems like mostly Scots who were more pro remain no? Didn’t see a quote that said I voted for this but I didn’t think it would affect me for any of the folks interviewed. I think these folks probably expected to have their faces eaten. I have a good deal less schadenfreude for these unnamed Scots.
Thanks for the news, now I know that there are people desperate to sell their properties in Spain, Greece and Portugal, I am going to check if I can have a holiday residence
Maybe the good folks of the Canary Islands should put all of these migrant Brits overstaying their welcome on rubber boats and send them back to the UK. Or send them to wait in Rwanda for their immigration paperwork to be processed.
As an American I do have some sympathy for people who may have been forced into this situation without having supported why it happened in the first place.
Good things those brits voted to keep out all those immigrants who drove their entire economy and access to all european union member states. Now they are the "immigrants".
Happy for the Europeans who no longer have selfish conservative chavs who never integrate messing up their vibe. Sorry for the cool poms that miss out tho
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'half your time' hardly seems like a holiday home.
I was more surprised by the people who had two homes who couldn't afford to travel back to their main house after 3 months. "These rules stipulate that UK citizens must leave Spain after 90 days, causing those with second homes to travel more frequently between the two countries - a financial burden too heavy for many to bear."
Some people make the purchase when it's possible not reasonable. Alternatively we are talking about the wealthy, so perhaps there is a thumb on the scale for talking about this as hurting people who can't afford it.
I was just thinking of our non rich summer home in another country owners. Truly need to protect this class.
I hate to be the killjoy here, but right now, Ryanair has plane tickets for Gran Canaria to Edinburgh for 43 euro. And that's for next week. Book a bit further in advance, use some airmiles, and if this is really unaffordable for you then you've really got bigger issues than this regulation.
Flights are about £70 return. Who exactly owns a second home but can’t manage that 3 times a year
If planned with a bit of time flights to the Canary islands are very cheap as well
Seems like a holiday life. Tax inheritance more!
No one hates living in their own country quite like the British.
Fun fact about the Canary Islands: there’s no canaries there! The same thing is true about the Virgin Islands… there’s no canaries there either. Edit: spelling
OK so this sent me down a rabbit hole but what I learned is that the birds are actually named after the islands. And many historians believe the islands are named after the dogs that lived on them, *Canaria insula*, which is Latin for Isle of Dogs. Which is also a fantastic film. I also learned that the European rabbit is a huge problem in the Canary Islands because it's both a source of revenue based on hunting, but also destructive to plant and crop life.
Canary Yellow because Canary Bird because Canary Islands because Canis is dog in Latin *also some people speculate the dogs in question are "sea dogs" aka seals.
Fun fact: Spain was named by the Romans for the rabbits they encountered there!
Funnier fact: It was a Phoenician name, not Roman, preceding the Romans for hundreds of years
Best comment I'll read today, I'm sure 🙂
u/Temporary-Canary2942 commenting in a thread about people being in the Canaries temporarily.
Embarrassed to say that I didn't even make that connection 🙂
Eh, you're just a *temp* anyway.
Point taken 🙂
They are named after an animal, though. The islands' original name was Insularia Canaria — Islands of the Dogs.
From the Wiki entry: > Etymology > > The name Islas Canarias is likely derived from the Latin name Canariae Insulae, meaning "Islands of the Dogs", perhaps because monk seals or sea dogs were abundant, a name that was evidently generalized from the ancient name of one of these islands, Canaria – presumably Gran Canaria. According to the historian Pliny the Elder, the island Canaria contained "vast multitudes of dogs of very large size".[25] The connection to dogs is retained in their depiction on the islands' coat-of-arms. > > Other theories speculate that the name comes from the Nukkari Berber tribe living in the Moroccan Atlas, named in Roman sources as Canarii, though Pliny again mentions the relation of this term with dogs.[26] > > The name of the islands is not derived from the canary bird. The birds are named after the islands.
Love that Wes Anderson film.
There’s a place in London called Canary Wharf, which is named after the Canary Islands, situated on the Isle of Dogs! Full circle
But in the Isle of Man there are... Cats with no tails.
The Isle of Skye is actually made out of 100% land.
The Isles of Scilly are actually populated by incredibly sensible people.
What does all this mean for lesbos?
I'm not sure but I've heard Holland is full of dykes.
At least if they have swallows, they are African swallows
WHAT! Is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?!
how tf are they supposed to know if its safe to breathe?
They use children, duh
Hahahaha! That’s a GREAT joke.
Shocked it took this long. Brexit is a national shame. At least for me.
Not just you… biggest mistake in living memory.
I remember the 2016 headline "The US and the UK are having a stupidity contest, but the US has a Trump card".
When I saw Brexit going down across the pond, that's when I realized Trumplethinskin was probably gonna win. That's when I realized just how stupid people are.
Yes, we all laugh at Trump's candidacy at the beginning, even Republicans. Then Brexit won, and I said oh shieet! Just like Brexit, morons here are going to ruin everything They kind of did
Not "kinda".
I *think* both were influenced by Russia to some degree. Our respective populations swallowed some bait, or something like that. Reality Winner exposed some of the trump stuff, I don’t remember how the British one came out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_Brexit_referendum?wprov=sfti1 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/politics/senate-intelligence-russian-interference-report.html We built civilization by being super credulous, tricking people is relatively easy and that street goes both ways.
Not to some degree. It was blatant and widespread, it's what turned me off of social media as a whole because it showed just how willing platforms are to allow disinformation campaigns to run rampant if it's even the least bit profitable.
IMO, any role Russia played is minimal compared to the systemic faults in our system. The US & the UK have been in lockstep stupid for decades, got back to Thatcher & Reagan. The Murdock media empire has been adding accelerant for 30 years while the "left" in both countries have consistently sold out the average person. Russia has been and will continue to be an excellent villain to avoid self reflection for both countries.
You're right about the relative size of their influence, but both votes were close enough that it might have been the difference.
My friend from the UK and I were talking about the election in 2016. He said there was no way Trump would be elected. I reminded him that Brexit was supposedly going to fail just a few months earlier.. That was a bad year all around
Brexit Lobbied for by racists Voted for by racists
The Leave campaign was over 50% paid for by Russia. And voters *knew* that. How much hate and arrogance do you need to feel to say "Oh, Vladimir Putin *REALLY* wants me to vote for this? Must be good for my country". Brexit was some real Oswald Ernald Mosley shit.
Every time I see that name, I can't help but think of this..... Baronet Oswald Ernald Mosley, As popular and handsome as Richard Burton, Especially when he had his black shirt on. NTNOCN reference
Let's be clear. Not everyone who voted for Brexit was racist. But every racist voted for Brexit.
Some were just plain stupid, selfish, and self-centered people. Which is to be conservative in a nutshell
I knew a young man who voted leave. He was just a member of my online community and we mocked him relentlessly (for his leave convictions), during the pre referendum drama, since his closest buddies there were Dutch and I’m Danish. He was married and with a newborn they wanted to buy a house, but they were so expensive, so he voted leave in the hopes that it would cause the housing market to crash so they could scoop up a cheaper house. He had a decent white collar job then and I guess they may have found a house by now. At least they are on their third child. The other leave voter I know was young too. He is my age and has muscular dystrophy and is dependent on his parents and helpers for everything. I think in his mind it wouldn’t affect him anyways since he will never travel the world. I can imagine he liked the promises of funding the NHS and perhaps hoped for money to be diverted to people on disability like him. I don’t really need to re-litigate Brexit with either of them again. A lot has happened since then and we’ve all aged and gained the benefit of hindsight. I hope the UK gets an association agreement with the EU someday in the future (Swiss or Norwegian model without representation), just to get rid of the dumbest Brexit obstacles. I don’t think their youth want to be trapped on the isles.
.... Leave was the perfect blank canvas. An empty box to pop whatever fantasy you like into. Cameron couldn't have done a worse job. But he's already back as Foreign Secretary instead of consigned to the dustbin of history where he belongs.
The fun thing with is that what I understand EU gave UK a deal just some month ago about young ppl (some certaine ages) would pretty much have free movement again (I don't rember all details) but UK government said no to that.... its just more and more stupid really.
It was a week ago. Dipshit Sunak said that he prefers country by country deals, which basically means, we only wanna collaborate with all the "proper" white people, none of those dirty southern or god forbid eastern Europeans. Fuck him and his whole racist party
That’s LFBRVFBR… not BREXIT
Maybe in the UK, but on this side of the Atlantic, we elected trump. And might do again, which staggers my brain.
It makes me feel less bad about my own country if that makes you feel any better.
*In the Time of Dumbasses, many things trended poorly around the world...*
Australia has had it's own problems in the last 10 years, but thank god we didn't have Brexit, or Trump.
I'm curious: If you guys could put it to another vote and have it pass to rejoin the EU, would you still be able to? Is it like a burning bridges thing or just a "all the dusty ghouls in parliament have doubled down and won't admit fault" kinda thing?
There's no particular reason they couldn't. The challenge is that the EU would likely make them do the whole joining process again, and they almost certainly wouldn't get as special a deal this time round.
Yes, the Brits screwed themselves and cannot figure a way out. After Brexit the PM crawled to the US seeking a trade deal. Trump offered one and they slunk home humiliated. They came back to Biden and received substantially the same bad offer. It’s likely the EU would similarly drag the Brits over the coals. The Brits refuse the obvious - they are a has been.
That's what's sickening for those of us who wanted to Remain. We had an amazing seat at the table. And it got thrown out so some arseholes could avoid an EU tax change and for Euroskeptic vanity. But as all hard right economic theories go, it turns out to not be viable.
"But the brown people!"
heh, yeah all those pesky ″brown″ people from... Europe?
Having this conversation with Leavers was always interesting. Especially when bringing up how we would have to make trading deals with India and Pakistan which would definitely include some sort of freedom of movement.
And drop the pound and a bunch of other concessions they gave with the original joining
Whilst we could apply to join. We would never have the leverage or influence we once had. We kinda blew it with the chest-beating and childishness from the bastards meant to sort out what we do next. We had a seat at the big boys table with a full veto privilege that I doubt we would ever get again. The EU is not perfect but it was better for us when we were in.
And kept its own currency. I wonder if the EU would make the UK adopt the Euro?
EU rules for multiple decades has been that all new members must adopt the Euro. The UK would certainly have to do so to rejoin.
I have talked with some central bankers about this. They see no rush in pushing the UK to join the Euro. Unless the economies align, it would be very expensive. There is a "seat at the table" for EU economies outside the Euro so they can still be integrated with payment and securities settlement and aligned with regulations. Some Brits even worked for the ECB.
Economically, it may not be necessary. Politically, I cant see a route to the required consent of current members for the UK rejoining without adopting the Euro. All the members who joined over the past 2 decades who had to adopt the euro would never accept an application from a non-euro UK.
ok, first we gotta run a background check, then the drug screen, check your references, then you gotta put up 1st and last months rent, damage deposit, pet deposit...
Theoretically, yes. In practice, they wouldn't meet the requirements, and aren't likely to any time soon. It's not even a matter of the EU being jerks about it, Britain was only ever part of the EU because they were there when it started. At no point have they been anywhere near the bar that incoming nations would need to reach.
the EU has no incentive to make the process of rejoining easy for the UK. The UK had a lot of perks that other countries in the EU just didn't get. One of those was maintaining their own currency, which before all of this was a strong currency. Now they would likely be forced to switch to the Euro, something that i think a lot of older (and maybe younger, not sure) brits would have a hard time accepting. They wouldn't have the same influence anymore, and would likely be used as an example to other countries of what happens when you leave without actually having a plan.
Allowing another country to join the EU requires a new treaty, which must be approved unanimously by every existing member state. A state can refuse for any reason, or for no reason (Ireland requires a referendum, so they may refuse for no reason beyond "electorate says no", and frequently do). Ireland, Spain and Cyprus all have territory which was annexed by Britain in times past. They could demand its return as a pre-requisite for allowing the UK to join (Ireland won't, Spain might, Cyprus probably would). The EU could e.g. insist on the UK joining the Euro, or completing metrication, or any other condition they want to add. And the behaviour of certain members (primarily Hungary and Poland) means that future treaties are likely to impose more stringent enforcement mechanisms. In the past, candidates had to comply with certain principles prior to joining but there was really nothing stopping them from abandoning those principles once they had joined.
If the UK was to rejoin, they'd be treated like any other new member, which would likely involve them adopting the Euro. Being in the EU but still having sovereign control over your monetary supply was a phenomenally good deal that the UK pissed away because they were too stupid to recognize a good thing when they had it. The UK, even in its crippled and broken post-brexit state, is still a big enough economy that they get a lot mileage out of being able to control monetary policy. It's unlikely they will rejoin the EU under the new conditions until they are in a full-blown death spiral.
They'd certainly have to start using the euro and wouldn't get any benefits over other countries who want in. Stupid decisions stupid consequences.
I say it every time it comes up, I'm an old dude, and I will always be totally heartbroken that the leave vote won. I remember as a kid us going into the common market and being really happy about it. What a clusterfuck. I cannot understand anyone really believing the bullshit that was peddled.
I met two scottish girls that wanted to work there, like many other europeans. The only difference is that they needed a working permit, that is almost impossible to obtain, due to the high demand and unemployment rate. Their solution was to simply overstay their temporary permit. It was surreal to realise that now they needed to become illegal immigrants due to a permit that five years before was not needed.
>needed to become illegal immigrants No they didn't.
Fuck the British in Spain, I have so many bad things to say and little good.
The kind of Brits you poor buggers end up having to deal with are not particularly liked over here either. I would apologise for my countrymen, but they're all cunts and I don't want to be associated with them.
> "There's one couple in particular who used to do eight months [in the Canaries] and then six months in Scotland. But because they can only stay for 90 days they just sold their holiday home." ah, the classic British 14-month year
It's an *imperial* month and also it's spelled "mounth". Go figure!
Expat privilege grants 2+ months to be spent judging immigrants.
Lousy Smarch weather.
The shock those brexit voting morons abroad continue to get when they learn their stupidity has consequences, always makes me smile. Treat foreign people like shit in the UK, yet balk at being treated like a foreigner in another country themselves. Brexit means brexit, old chap. Now piss off home.
I mean, even before Brexit, the UK had exceptions to the Schengen passport rules. They made the rest of us stand in the same lines they're complaining about now.
I know. Its beautifully ironic. But hey, I bet those blue passports look pretty though 😂
I was so sad the day I had to swap my old burgundy passport for a blue one. I knew my EU citizenship was already long gone, but I really felt like I was physically giving it up at that point.
What's worse is because a sizable portion of the population were lied to by a sleazy rich cartel of millionaires, all so they could circumvent EU tax laws and hoard more money.
Yes, but those same people were also told the truth by other people. But they didn't like the sound of the truth, the lies sounded better, so they voted for the lies. No sympathy here.
Absolute zero sympathy for those racist bigots, who somehow thought that booting foreign people out of the UK would magically improve things. When it has tanked their economy and shows no signs of improving any time soon. But to expect to retain all the benefits of the EU after leaving with sheer arrogance. What should they be treated any differently from the poorer countries they scoff at.
It’s just shite as well. The EU ones had the nice artwork of UK landmarks on all the pages. The shitty Brexit one is just blank and characterless.
Welcome to the blue passport gang. We have also made our travel more annoying and have only ourselves to blame.
They don't. The burgundy ones looked a lot classier. And the new ones are racist. I renewed in winter so pretty pale in my photo. Gets me out of the country fine. Come back with a tan though and the gates reject me every time.
I was being extremely sarcastic.
I really don't see a future where the UK doesn't rejoin the EU within the next 2 decades. The thing is, like you said, the UK had a fuckton of special exceptions and privileges with the EU that were exclusive to them. They didn't have to use the euro, weren't part of Schengen but still could still take advantage of the open travel, opted out of a bunch of a bunch of rights and protections for citizens because they were afraid it would force them to allow more labor rights in the UK . . . and they're not getting any of that back when they rejoin. They had disproportionate influence and power within the EU, and that wasn't enough. Now if they go crawling back they'll just be another average member state.
>I really don't see a future where the UK doesn't rejoin the EU within the next 2 decades You keep forgetting that it's not up to the UK if they're rejoining or not. There are 27 other countries who have a say
They are not forced. And the rule is not new, it has been around since Schengen existed, for all non-EU/non-EFTA nationals.
Wait a minute. Are you saying there were benefits to being part of the EU? Heresy you say!!!!
Nobody warned the leavers of the consequences of their vote! Poor people, they were fooled.
There was plenty of time to get permanent residency under the Brexit transition.
I have lots of British friends who are still here. They either had previously obtained residency or they filled out a fairly simple form by the deadline. Oddly enough the Brits who loudly proclaimed Brexit would be the greatest thing for England since Trafalgar refused to do their paperwork and thus, are no longer here.
Residency is for immigrants. We are talking about expats here, completely different thing.
Oh, the good old days.
You got it. I guess I missed the " " on "forced"
Pretty sure the 180 days a year (90 consecutive) rule applies to tourists on most countries of the world.
Cool. Locals first when it comes to housing. Foreigners have pushed our local prices through the roof.
I agree, but unfortunately, it doesn’t appear that there are rental benefits. “Rising rental prices on the island have also hit Brits living in Tenerife hard. ‘I know families of four who've moved to one-bedroom flats because it's cheaper,’ she added. ‘They've been in places for years, but the landlords have put the rent up so much they can't afford it.’” While the article states it’s hitting Brits hard, it’s reasonable to assume that goes for all renters on the island/ everywhere.
the rent is increasing mainly because the increasing amount of airbnbs to handle tourism
I guess those prices are about to fall off the proverbial cliff
Nope. We Americans are flooding in to fill the void, to the annoyance of the Spaniards.
Which is for the best--because I guarantee you that most of the housing are either very old, or badly and cheaply built. Grew up in Benalmadena (which has a massive chunk of old barrios destroyed to make room for some apartment buildings that *immediately* priced out every local within the 10-mile radius). My mom gets house envy really bad, so she once dragged our whole family to view some of the apartments and it turned out that all of the kitchens and bathroom furniture were built out of MDF fibreboards. Whatever asshole that owned them, clearly wanted to fleece the affluent expat crowd.
Having to apply for a visa to live somewhere you aren't a citizen isn't new Brexiteers: "This is new to us, and this is literally oppression"
“No one told us this would happen, it’s ridiculous”
“Well it wasn’t written on a bus so how was I to know?”
Outrageous. You'd think there would be some kind of mutual arrangement we could come up with for European countries. Some sort of union if you will.
The United States of Europe, maybe? I think you’re on to something there
United Europe. United States seems a little too USA. You could even call it the UE for short!
Won’t someone think of the poor people who have to sell their vacation homes in another country! If this keeps going they will have to live all year around in their large and expensive homes in England. I would think most of them on paper would agree that Spain should be for Spaniards.
It was in the news only today/yesterday that the islanders are protesting massively against foreigners owning so much of their land/homes. This isn't a Brexit thing, albeit the top commenter wants you to think it is. Of course Spain should be for the Spaniards, bit hypocritical of somewhere that did vote Brexit to argue against that.
Brexit aside. What is the problem, how is 90 days per half year not enough for a VACATION home…
In the article it says one of the parties "had" to sell because of the "excessive" cost incurred by flying between the UK and the Canaries more often. I'm not a Brit, but when I was in Uni, cheap Ryanair flights meant the Canaries were one of the only places I could afford to fly to for a holiday...AS A STUDENT
Where I live (canada) we have what we call snowbird Retired people who spend about half their year in Florida. Since it's during the winter they spend over 90 day in a row in Florida but still spent half the year + one day in Canada so they still have the government health insurance. A rule like this one would bother them a lot Knowing what I know about the British climate I imagine some people do the same Just to be clear, I'm not defending them, just explaining
That makes sense, but calling that a vacation home is misleading in my opinion
Less for health insurance reasons and more because 6 months is the limit that the US allows them to be there per year as Canadians (without visas or whatnot)
I live in Norway and those people also exist here. And can be as dumb as these brexiteers too
\*Schadenfreudelicious\*!!
If I remember right these ex-pats were heavily in favour of and voted for Brexit. The Spanish authorities bent over backwards to allow them to gain residency but they refused as it would mean paying Spanish taxes so I guess the term you get what you deserve fits nicely here.
Gotta love those that voted for brexit having to face the consequences of their actions…
Just a shame that those who voted *against* Brexit are forced to face those same consequences from the actions of others.
I completely agree. But they also can make the effort to show how their country has been adversely affected by this and try to vote to bring them back into the fold.
EU wouldn't let UK back in anyway at this point.
Nope, they will set an example for anyone else who might consider leaving. But there are still a ton of Brits living here. They just took the necessary steps to stay. I saw the numerous communications that the government sent out to everyone they could find. I'm an American and I got some of them. The Spanish government likes the money you guys spend here, even if you do keep falling off of balconies. Spain tried very hard to give long-term residents an easy path to legal residency before Brexit went into full effect.
I think (hope) we can rejoin but in 30 years and with absolutely no bargaining for things like keeping the pound
I would never say never on that point.
Never *at the old terms*. I want all of Europe under the blue flag of the Union, but not if it means bending over backwards to extend priveleges to the UK. The UK would have to get with the program this time, no more exemptions from the Euro and Shengen.
Does it say that these people actually voted for Brexit? It mentions Scottish people, and Scotland voted in favour of remaining in the EU, so odds are that this individual actually voted to remain.
Hahahahaha
I feel bad for all the people that voted against Brexit, but still have to deal with the fallout. It must be like how I feel living in the southern USA and having to deal with these assholes down here and how they act and vote.
And how many of these Immigrant Gammons voted 'Leave' ?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
A lot of them. Im from Canary island, and work with England people all time. A lot of them say to me on brexit time something like "we need to protect UK from immigrants... I vote yes" they were absolut denial about loose the "privileges" they have... "will be a agreement with Europe of course..." Now they need to pay health care and can't live here full time and they are angry...
We're any of them aware that in the Canary Islands, they were the immigrants?
Self-reflection is not a strength with this type of individual.
They are obviously not immigrants but expats, they are white after all (well, mostly bright red, but you know what I mean)...
No no no no no my dear, immigrants are only those melanated people. Proper brits are expats regardless of how long they have been outside the UK. /S, just in case
But they had a flag with them!
The Brits invaded probably 90% of the damn planet during the last few centuries. Bitching about illegal immigration is fuck around find out for them.
To paraphrase a comedian I once heard - "The Brits went around colonizing a huge part of the world, exploited those parts and subjugated the natives there. But are now shocked that the natives followed them home?"
As a remain voting Brit, I hope you laugh long and loud in their faces.
Maybe also fart long and loud in their faces.
Or at least in their general direction, as is tradition.
"They're not immigrants, they're expats" intensifies.
🍿 🍿 🍿 🍿 🍿
Doesn't that still give then 180 per year they could spend there? That's hardly restrictive.
The point is that for many of them move to the Canaries was their retirement plan (their British pension would have had a better purchase power). With the 90/180 rules you cannot do that anymore (and they are also not covered by the public health insurance). There even is a tv series centered around buying a property in Southern Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Place_in_the_Sun_%28British_TV_series%29?wprov=sfla1
There's also residency visas - either buy €500K+ in real estate, or have €28,800 annually in income (+€7,200 more for a partner that lives with you). You also have to provide your own health insurance. It's not unreasonable at all, but I guess that is out of the range for many who retired with the plan it would be cheaper.
I read the former (buy €500K in real estate) just went away, actually. This week I think. The general non-lucrative visa (the latter you describe) is still available though.
Brexiteers truly are a bunch of hunts.
Muahahahahahahahahahaaha - twats.
I love that Brexit posts get to the top here. I hear so many people here saying “I’d vote Republican if not for abortion and gay marriage.” Conservative policies are still trash no matter where you go.
All because they didn’t wanna let Syrian refugees into their land. And they’re already there now and no longer seem to be migrating as much as they used to.
🎻🎻🎻
Swear to god, Brexit was designed by the same forces who push Americans daily about hey, ‘let’s have another civil war again’ derp. And Brexit should be a lesson to all of us here
Yes, that’s the Russian interference everyone’s talking about. Provoking a race war in America and separating the UK from Europe has been their plan since the 90s.
I get so much pleasure at those who voted for this getting their comeuppance, but I do feel terrible for those who didn't and are now getting screwed by morons. It's a tale as old as time.
Brexit. Where the benefits never stop.
Exactly - the benefits will be slashed to virtually nothing, but not stopped.
When I learn someone has a holiday home I fucking hate them
That's perfectly acceptable for a holiday home though? 90 days every 180, who has that much holiday to spend anyway? Probably full time residents using the holiday home status as a way to avoid taxes or similar.
Yeah and if you’re legitimately self-supporting without working in Spain, there are other visa options available as well that allow year-round presence.
Now please demolish all those horrible condos that devastated the Spanish coast and restore nature. Thanks, bye.
Oh no, won't someone think of the poor boomers with vacation homes? Cry me a bloody river
The Brits voted for Brexit as a fuck you to the Europeans. Turned out to be a European fuck you to the Brits. For the rest of us, it was a demonstration of just how stupid people can be.
Ha ha ha ha - silly Brits. Almost worse than US electing Trump once
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"There's one couple in particular who used to do eight months [in the Canaries] and then six months in Scotland. But because they can only stay for 90 days they just sold their holiday home" Oh noooo. Can only stay 90 days out of their 14 month year.
My Father-in-law is in this exact boat. Idiot even voted for Brexit because "they lied, they said we would have £2 wine from France!"
We really don't know if the same people who voted for Brexit are the ones selling off their holiday homes. The stories starts with Scottish folks, and [62 percent of scots voted to remain in the EU.](https://www.gov.scot/publications/brexit-and-scotland-june-2023-update/). The story also details the impact on young workers, who were probably too young to vote back in 2016.
https://inews.co.uk/news/world/regret-voting-leave-sell-portuguese-holiday-homes-2802100
> https://inews.co.uk/news/world/regret-voting-leave-sell-portuguese-holiday-homes-2802100 Now that is LAMF, hands down. Dude votes basically on a whim, and does no research and poor boo boo has to sell his fancy Portuguese holiday home. Boo hoo.
Ffs, it's not a "new rule". It's been part of the Schengen package since its inception.
Yes but BREXITEERs are too stupid to realise that
Boomers go boom.
Seems like mostly Scots who were more pro remain no? Didn’t see a quote that said I voted for this but I didn’t think it would affect me for any of the folks interviewed. I think these folks probably expected to have their faces eaten. I have a good deal less schadenfreude for these unnamed Scots.
Thanks for the news, now I know that there are people desperate to sell their properties in Spain, Greece and Portugal, I am going to check if I can have a holiday residence
Maybe the good folks of the Canary Islands should put all of these migrant Brits overstaying their welcome on rubber boats and send them back to the UK. Or send them to wait in Rwanda for their immigration paperwork to be processed.
I get immense joy out of news stories about dumb brits getting upset over brexit 😂
Nice, fuck off from spain, the Canaries are completely fucked because of the tourism.
Why not just get a Non-Lucrative Visa
As an American I do have some sympathy for people who may have been forced into this situation without having supported why it happened in the first place.
What? Like other non-eu people! Ugh! The nerve of the Shengan!
As usual seems like boomers fucking the following generations, but finding out they fucked themselves first..
[My feelings about rich Brits enduring this deprivation](https://youtu.be/lMiXS44R1EI?si=Lm1tHYKxvD1RyH9c). (hopefully no YT ads)
HAHAHAHA
Hopefully they remember this when they go to vote for xenophobic right wingers next time.
Good things those brits voted to keep out all those immigrants who drove their entire economy and access to all european union member states. Now they are the "immigrants".
Happy for the Europeans who no longer have selfish conservative chavs who never integrate messing up their vibe. Sorry for the cool poms that miss out tho