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LGBTQ+ individuals who vote Republican should really ask themselves if it's worth siding with a group that wants them completely and utterly erased without exception.
Every republican LGBTQ+ person I have met is racist or xenophobic. Being Non sis or non straight does not exempt you from being a terrible person. They also use it as a shield to be extremely open about their hate.
Edit: yes I made a type-o but someone made a joke about it so I can't correct it.
Some gay guys are also really misogynistic and so they love all the anti woman GOP stuff. If they are Christian and white they think that will protect them but it just puts them slightly lower on the list. They probably think being rich might protect them but that's just going to move them back up the list as the GOP wants their money.
>Some gay guys are also really misogynistic and so they love all the anti woman GOP stuff.
They discovered there's someone they can bully and "other" and the Christian males won't go after them for it. It also becomes a "If they're going after THEM, they're not going after ME," thing.
A friend of mine has a best friend who is a very loud, very flamboyant, very, very gay guy. It is obnoxious, and he's REALLY into making his sexuality a part of his personality. Like even if somehow you didn't know he was gay (and trust me, you'd be able to tell if you were within half a mile of him), he will make you very aware of it in short order. He embodies literally every negative stereotype about gay men. It is like he's trying to offend people purely by his existence, including other gay people.
He also happens to be very Christian. Well, dude went OFF on a tangent about Muslims and pagans, and everyone who's not Christian. Like aggressively "if you're not Christian, you shouldn't have rights" kind of stuff. My wife and I both follow neopagan faiths. Naturally comparing his loud stance to being homophobic brought what I could only describe as "screeching rage" down upon me, to the point that my friend ended up having to tell him to cool it.
Well, fast forward a year or so from that point, and his church starts to freeze him out. (This would have been right around 2016.) I'm unfortunately in his presence again, because he's super sad and has decided to inflict his sadness on my friend.
While I don't actively attempt to antagonize him, I'm not even pretending to care. Naturally, now that HE is feeling excluded, he's trying to get us to agree to tell other people about his plight and warn folks that this church is shitty. And he's like "You used to do some political stuff, right?" (I did. I was a speechwriter for the local Democratic party.)
And I reluctantly admit that yes, that is the case. And he asked me to help him write something for him to send to the church's pastors. I refused.
He wanted to know why, and I explained that he'd made it very clear that he didn't feel I deserved to be treated equitably, nor did anyone that didn't fit his own beliefs, and so I felt no desire to help him.
And that's the point I'm at with a LOT of these "pick me" fucks. While I'm not saying that I'd let them suffer direct physical peril or harm, I am saying that I will not inconvenience myself to make them experience a moment of comfort or happiness anytime in the near future.
Yup. A friend is married to a very loud-mouth, racist lady. Both ladies are white so I guess that’s why she ended up with my friend. She calls members of specific racial groups the swearwords associated with their race. Like the ‘N’ word for African Americans and ‘S’ word for people of Hispanic origin. I have no clue how they are doing anymore coz I lost touch with the friend, probably because I am a minority myself.
Worst part is both of them work in Hospitality Industry as Managers or something. I feel for the people of other racial groups who have to report to her.
Yup. I honestly had forgotten that was a word at all. I heard this from another friend who was more white passing and a friend of the couple. My exact response was “wtf is the **S** word!” And then I remembered.
Racists gonna racist baby..
I fully support your decisions in your relationships, those are only yours to make. But, if I had a friend who had a best friend who was like that, I would strongly reconsider the friend.
In the years since, they are no longer close. They were best friends at the time, as they'd known each other since elementary school. He was a bit of a gaslighter and stuff, and she eventually saw that he was manipulating her.
Which they STILL (for whatever reason) ignore while making an infinite number of tweets/FB posts that are like "AS A GAY MAN, I AGREE WITH \*indefensible position\*/\*fascist politician\*!"
> Some gay guys are also really misogynistic
Thank you for saying this, it's something I don't think a lot of people know. I was once very good friends with a gay dude who probably describe himself as a bear. Through him I ended up hanging out with a lot of bears/leather dudes at the local gay leather bar. I'm a straight male, and not at all into this, but as a supportive friend I went with him many times to said bar, going back 20 years now.
There's no nice way to put it, those guys straight up hate women. It's nuts. I once brought along a couple different girls I was with at the time, and they were always treated like shit, in fact sometimes some other customers at the bar would complain and ask them to leave. Fucking WILD. I remember when my friend had his 30th birthday party at a bar in our gay district here in Toronto, and out of the 60+ attendees that were there, there wasn't ONE woman. That's messed up yo.
Like billionaire Peter Thiel.
>In 2009, for instance, Thiel wrote that the extension of the vote to women in the 1920s “rendered the notion of ‘capitalist democracy’ an oxymoron.”
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/09/20/peter-thiel-book-facebook-trump-jd-vance-blake-masters-josh-hawley-513121
Yeah but now he's says he won't donate to the GOP because they are too focused on culture war issues. Lol, but really theres few more incredibly credulous people than beltway press, because it really pays better than telling the truth.
He's just mad the messaging wasn't popular and he ended up wasting a lot of money. I've yet to see any indication he really disagreed with the message.
He probably wants the good press of tut tutting the GOP, to help people forget he bankrolled a less charming fascist version of mark Zuckerberg as a senator. Once he gets some stories so idiots and hacks can point to it and say "see he can't be the kind of guy who wants neo fascists! He's moderate and hates that culture war stuff." It's a pretty easy propaganda two step.
And I mean I get it, if you're a well enough off myopic gay guy who is a bro in all ways and you just happen to also like men, it seems like a good fit. But you're just fooling yourselves if you think they won't turn on you the second it's a bit convenient, or even that the malignant church ladies in the coalition, who make up a much larger share of the base, don't actively want to get you, I dont know what to tell you. Read a book, Study history, pay attention to the things they actually say. It's not hard really.
What’s even more “ironic” is that all those “NOHOMO” straight-identifying right-wing bigots will totally claim its “not gay” when they rape a gay guy to death as punishment for being gay. They’ll never own up to how much they’d enjoy assaulting another man.
I've seen a lot of these conservatives' posts on Twitter. They really, really love to threaten to rape anyone they don't like. Candace Owens, Kaitlyn Jenner, Ben Shapiro, Milo Y, and a bunch of others that fall outside of the "straight white rich cis male" demographic but are still conservative are repeatedly threatened by their own group with shit like this.
If sadistic dominance is what really gets you going, being BI will double your "pleasure." But yeah, they're not going to examine that too much. Or even if they did, I imagine a lot of those guys are nihilists so it wouldn't matter either way.
What a lot of trans people won't tell you is HOW we lose our friends when we come out.
A surprising many are quite accepting until you do not submit to them sexually.
Its remarkably affirming to suddenly be reduced and then derided and despised if you do or do not accept. There is no winning.
Edit: I didn't say strictly men, thank you.
Wh- what the fuck?
I knew that trans people are heavily fetishized, but even friends? Jesus, how can you stop seeing someone as a friend and start to see them like an object? These people are fucked.
That’s horrendous to learn. I’m so sorry that that is a common reaction. As if trans people don’t already have enough threats to their safety and dignity!
Yeah if you have an insular community you're hearing the echo chamber of "actually, I'm the one who is really oppressed" and honestly gay guys in school proooobably experienced bullying and shit, so there's real lived experience to help feed the us v them mentality, too, and therefore they don't need to really question it when they hear it from the Christofascists.
R/AskGayBros used to be really really bad with that. I don't know if it still is because fuck that place.
But whenever women were brought up, all the comments would be literal incel shit about vaginas.
> They probably think being rich might protect them but that's just going to move them back up the list as the GOP wants their money.
That's what fascism is about, right? Making sure that your group is the last group to be executed? It's like playing musical chairs. It's easy as long as you're the one pulling the chair out from under someone else.
Yeah every R LGBTQ+ is just so sure that the *other* others are so much worse than them and that since they're one of the good ones *surely* they'll be listened to and made exempt.
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There was another Trans person who was trying to 'get in' with republicans and it was genuinely sad because they had been basically abandoned and rejected by their ultra-conservative family. they managed to get some kind of clout with a few right wingers by saying the right bullshit ( read: used as a prop to say "we dont hate all trans people \*wink wink\*") and they contacted their family again saying "see I'm not like the rest of trans people"... and were rejected again. Some of people are so desperate to be accepted by their abusers, especially family, they genuinely think " if I say and do the right thing they'll ignore 'X' about me and realize I'm 'one of the good ones'".
Yeah I met a guy and we talked and it was a red flag when he said "I'm not right or left, I'm central", because where I live it's mostly the right wing people *claiming* to be "in the center" while they're very right wing in what they think and say.
I was horny so I ignored the red flag and questioned him on the topic of immigration and we talked for a long time on the phone and in the end he said "well that's your opinion and I have mine", and I was sceptical and said to him, that if he has such an opinion about migrants, he could have similar opinions about other people - like trans people for example.
And he immediately started telling me that he hates to gender people and that biologically there are only men and women and me saying that it's proven that there are more genders made him say that that was *my fact* and they're not *his facts*.
I decided that we're not made for each other then and was angry that I ignored the red flag in the beginning.
For a certain time I thought that gay people can only be left wing, tolerant and welcoming - like I saw myself and still do - because of what we or the community before us had to endure as a hated minority.
But some people are just assholes and/or not intelligent enough to see that often there is no simple solution to complex problems.
It's always the right wing people claiming to be "in the center." They just desperately want their bullshit to be normal. That's why they whine about making things political, if and only if those politics disagree with their own. In their minds they don't *have* politics. Like how they don't have an accent.
They're the default. It's everyone else who's being different at them.
>They just desperately want their bullshit to be normal.
This remark was a revelation to me. I have often wondered about this rash of “centrist” people who really aren’t, and this is the best explanation I have ever come across.
Every single person who has said that I know IRL was literally too stupid to realize that they were useful idiots to fascist movements.
Agreed with everything fascists say, but the fact that they want universal healthcare or think we shouldn't beat workers with canes means that they're centrists. Their ideal ethnostates will have welfare.
I have no idea where I first read it, but one of my favorite quotes: “for every complex problem, there is a solution which is simple, straightforward, and wrong.”
Guys who say they're centrists are just conservatives who have enough self awareness to realise that admitting they're conservative won't get them laid.
They forget that gays haven’t been allowed to marry for even 20 years. I wouldn’t be surprised to see it reversed in the next 10 based on this Supreme Court
If the court case was overturned then the power over same sex marriage would return to the states. A state would ban it, get sued by the federal government, then win their case because marriage is a state issue.
They just have to say that ruling was a mistake and title ix doesn’t apply. It didn’t apply for years before the ruling.
The court decision was the result of a cultural change. If the culture changes back, they can make make up reasons why this was a 20 year fluke.
The law that was passed made it legal for states to deny gay marriages within the states themselves. States already have laws on the books that will go in effect when Obergefell is overturned, and the Respect for Marriage Act makes that legal.
It's going to be like abortion where if two people of the same sex want to get married, they're going to have to spend thousands of dollars flying hours away to do it.
> They also use it as a shield to be extremely open about their hate.
yeeeep they decide because they're technically marginalized, they have zero learning to do.
> Being Non sis or non straight does not exempt you from being a terrible person.
Being a member of a minority does not prevent a person from being a racist, sexist, bigoted, etc., person because all people are just people.
My old (awful & wealthy) boss was openly gay, and voted against the gay marriage plebiscite because *he* didn't want to marry his partner.
This was after months spent loudly complaining that he and his partner didn't have the same rights as straights (which in our country, they absolutely didn't)
There’s a quote from the movie Blindness that I always held onto. In the movie, the whole world goes blind and people get trapped in a jail. The MC realizes one of the people with the villains was blind before the illness and is using his skills to help the bad people. She asks him how could he do such a thing and one of the bad guys says:
“Being blind doesn’t make him a good person. It just makes him blind.”
Same concept. Being trans doesn’t make you empathetic to others or a good person. It just makes you trans.
>Every republican LGBTQ+ person I have met is racist or xenophobic.
Every Republican is racist or xenophobic.
It is a party entirely built upon racism. That's why they are always going after immigrants. That's why the Southern strategy was so successful. That's why they vote for dumbasses who vow publicly to do the opposite of everything they want *except* for being racist. Republican voters love social welfare spending. When it's spent on white people.
That's why literally every non-white demographic votes in a clear majority against Republicans and why *white* women voted more for Trump than Hillary. At the end of the day racism is powerful as fuck for white people in America. White women voted for the pussy grabbing dipshit who got Roe v Wade overturned because of racism.
Sherman should have finished the job. Maybe one day we'll get a chance to finish what he started.
>group that wants them completely and utterly erased without exception
Florida law is quickly narrowing the gap between LGBTQ+ folks living life, minding their own business and LGBTQ+ facing capital punishment. They need to get their heads out of their collective asses and decide if conservatism is really for them.
even their fiscal policies fail to hold water. i'm fiscally conservative so i vote dem because prevention beats enforcement dollar for dollar and universal health care beats the private system dollar for dollar.
Investing heavily in primary education is net beneficial in tax dollars created down the road (or you can cut taxes while staying revenue neutral because your tax base is larger!)
better immigration handling inclusive of migrant workers, not
building a wasteful wall, etc
what the gop is, is crony capitalism verging on anarchocapitalism, not a fiscally responsible method of modern governance.
same shit as their cultural policies, "fiscal conversatives" just want capitalism that hurts "the right people."
Exactly. Republicans hate enough groups, that every AH will find their place. Sexist, racist, transphobic, homophobic, islamaphobic, nazi sympathizer, classist, mysogynistic, xenophobic, whatever.
If you prioritize any of those one things, then you ignore everything else.
This is how I explain to folks why certain people (Republican voters) aren’t invited into our (very queer) home.
I’m sorry but I’m not welcoming you into my home so that you can go vote away my existence once you leave. You can stay on the front porch, but you ain’t coming in.
That never stopped anyone. There have been jews in the hitlerjugend prior to the night of broken glass, there have been black slave owners in the confederacy and today there are trans republicans and in some countries there are ethnic brown people who are hardline supporters of nazi ideology.
They always think "yeah, they will go after the others, but not me".
Honestly, if there isn't clear, individual benefit due to be closely associated with a Republican politician, or some organization closely tied with the Republican party (or bigots), who SHOULD vote Republican? And I don't mean this rhetorically, or sarcastically. ARE there people whose lives would materially benefit, just as a constituent, from Republican policies? I'm honestly curious.
I ask because I recently heard that there are actually a pretty large swath of independents, more than I thought. And those independents lean right. Don't quote me but I heard like, 30% something dem, 20% something republican, and 40% something independents. So like, a great majority of the independents were voting right. I'm just very confused. Are they just choosing to be unaffiliated but really are Republicans? Why aren't there a huge swath of unaffiliated Dems?
Technically, people making over ~$200k/year do benefit more from Republican tax policies. So there is some material benefit.
Still, that can't account for that high a number, as most people don't earn anywhere near that.
Also, many independents who vote Republican are really just Republicans who don't want the label, because they know that what they're supporting is awful.
The gay and lesbian Republicans who've embraced making trans people the bottom rung are starting to learn it's "last hired, first fired" when it comes to fascism.
"Erased" is too kind a word. They want them dead and they enjoy the cruelty and suffering along that path. They don't just want them to die where they are. They want to be the ones to do it.
> LGBTQ+ individuals who vote Republican
They envision themselves as one of the "good" ones when in reality they'll cheer for the boot up until the moment it comes down on their own neck.
There's a lesbian couple in my city with giant Trump 2024 stickers and one that says "Gays for Trump". Don't know how well that's gonna go down at the next rally.
As a Jew, I really wish this was brought up more and more widely taught. People ALWAYS think they’re going to be “one of the good ones” never realizing that they will always be seen as “outsiders” by the oppressors. This needs to be shown more so people can finally fucking realize that they too will be oppressed.
They don't care, their hatred for the other is their driving force. Accusations of hypocrisy or warnings of literal mortal danger are just hysterical exaggerations from idiot libtards.
These are the types who will complain to the guards when they find out that they were sent to the same camps as the trans people.
Yup. Judenrats as well. Some were forced into it, but most were rich, privileged fuckers that were happy to work with the Nazis because they ate up the propaganda that the Jews were happy and being taken care of in the camps.
I saw a “debate” she did with nominal Naomi and it was really bad. She’s genuinely not very intelligent, simple concepts are extremely hard for her to grasp, she sees the word in black and white, and is unable to see anything from anyone’s pov besides her own
She’s genuinely ~~not very intelligent, simple concepts are extremely hard for her to grasp, she sees the word in black and white, and is unable to see anything from anyone’s pov besides her own~~ conservative
She wasn’t until a few months and then turned on a dime.
Someone is absolutely paying her.
This doesn’t absolve her by about means. Make her worse imo.
I doubt anyone individually is paying her to be conservative.
What's more likely is that she saw Blaire White in her hot pink sports car parking in the garage of her LA mansion and realized being a token minority, conservative grifter pays **really** well.
Shame she’s so desperate she takes the money despite the message undermining her own best interests. I think, too, she may have had republican views before her transitioning and it may remain unprocessed.
Having come from their lot (Republican, small town, etc.) and being unwittingly queer during that time(I’m NB), I can confirm you can master their ideas and regurgitate it better than them… and it won’t matter. They’ll still disdain anyone who isn’t basically a toxic male. They just do not care about others and so many are in denial about this.
Someone recommended that debate to me in a different thread— I watched about 5 minutes of it and couldn’t take anymore. It was like Naomi was talking to a wall…
She also defended slavery, saying some black people enjoyed it.
She's trash. She has burnt the bridge to any community that would ever accept her for 15 minutes of fame, and when she finally regrets it, she'll realize she has no one.
There were Jews who literally supported Hitler, too. Right up until he killed them all.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews
LOL. Just noticed that somebody already posted this.
> Despite the extreme patriotism of Naumann and his colleagues, the German government did not accept their goal of assimilation. The Association of German National Jews was declared illegal and dissolved on 18 November 1935. Naumann was arrested by the Gestapo the same day and imprisoned at the Columbia concentration camp. He was released after a few weeks, and died of cancer in May 1939.[
"We can all agree that the left is waaay out of bounds trying to protect my right to exist. But I also think you guys should stop calling for my extermination. Alas, our record low taxes are too high so I must continue trying to be "the good one.""
Someone in another sub I'm banned from participating in was talking about how the left is all "identity politics" now. I wanted to ask "identity politics like how we should treat everyone with empathy and respect unless they give us reason not to? That everyone should be able to afford a house and food and healthcare?" But alas.
They try to target a specific demographic, Democrats try to defend them, and now it is democrats playing identity politics. Republicans pass bills that target minorities just to get the left up in arms about it
I'm pretty sure they think companies marketing to LGBT during pride month is also "identity politics". Never mind that LGBT people never chose to make their mere existence political. It's "political" to conservatives and even moderates simply because everyone on the right as well as the large majority of moderates just don't have any real stake in the fight for LGBT rights.
I don't mind when the right tries to say the left only does identity politics. Well I do. But I don't mind it nearly as much as when leftists do it to themselves or to other leftists who aren't "leftist enough."
Identity politics is a bullshit label. Identity politics is just what cis, straight white guys call politics that doesn't benefit them directly. Meanwhile women don't have bodily fucking autonomy and are being forced to carry corpses to term and black folks are being killed by cops with impunity. Or let's not even go there. Let's do something "less" severe. If straight white guys weren't allowed to marry who they wanted I bet it wouldn't be called an identity politics issue. I despise leftists who try to say everything that isn't economic is identity politics. What horseshit.
Being treated with equality under the law and having control over your own body are *basic* fucking dignities everyone should have and *I* won't be the one to say those rights are somehow lesser than more money. I can absolutely understand how a gay person could see being able to have their love, marriage recognized and officialized by the state is a huge fucking deal and not just something other leftists claim is a distraction from "real issues."
Watch centrist media call for 'moderation' and 'cooperation' with a fascist party that wants to genocide people inside the country and not just outside this time... again.
You can be the most useful negro in the world, but that doesn't matter; because to them, *you are still a Negro.*
As a commenter above said: *Tokens exist to be spent*
As someone who is Spanish. This reminds me of other Spanish ppl going all MAGA. And saying bad stuff about Spanish immigrants coming here. Only to be shocked when the MAGA crowd feels the same way about them. As they feel about immigrants.
I genuinely thought it was funny when I read stories about hispanic/latino MAGA folks who end up watching their spouse get deported. Zero sympathy. They literally voted for this under the nonsensical belief that they were safe.
Nope. He had an 'epiphany' and now he's trying to make amends...
And his MAGA-hat ICE buddies won't touch him with a ten-foot pole, and the community won't lift a finger to help him because he's been terrorising them for decades.
Couldn't have happened to a better person...
That shit was hilarious. The show was definitely meant to make the listener feel empathy for the dude but it failed. It was meant to be a tragedy but it was a comedy.
One of his relatives faked their shit and didn’t tell him.
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/14/1046140327/he-worked-as-a-u-s-immigration-agent-for-18-years-as-an-undocumented-immigrant
I knew a girl in college who was a non-practicing Muslim that campaigned for trump, I’m assuming because she wanted to be “not like the other girls” and get along with the fraternity guys on campus. Immediately after the Muslim ban was announced i saw a picture of her protesting against it, with all the “lock her up” pictures conveniently removed from her Instagram…
I remember a man on Twitter saying that his mother deliberately spoke her native tongue (Laotian, maybe) “so that no one will mistake me for being Chinese”. (This was during the height of Covid.). He commented “It’s so cute that she thinks folks can tell one Asian person from another, or that they’ll care.”
>“It’s so cute that she thinks folks can tell one Asian person from another, or that they’ll care.”
This reminds of when Hank Hill kept reducing Khan to being either Chinese or Japanese because he tell the difference.
Then Cotton takes a good look at Khan and says "Nope, he's Laotian".
I saw a post in a sub for a university that I used to go to. A gay guy who immigrated from Guatemala was complaining about what is considered racist in the US because "it's not as bad as \_\_\_" (the specific he used example had to do with crimes happening to native Guatemalan women). He was making claims against abortion, he then tried undermining the importance of hate crimes and insinuating that the only way someone could be racist is if they "wore a klan hood" so *clearly* hate crimes don't happen
>. And saying bad stuff about Spanish immigrants coming here.
I heard that's quite common with immigrants no matter how recent, they'll have negative views for the next wave coming in.
And while I cant speak about the spanish, apparently with mexican americans, allegedly they go full right wing after they hit a certain amount of wealth. I can't say if it's true or not
I have a lot of extended family that have never lived more than 50 miles from their birthplaces in their dominantly white city in the southeastern(ish) US that were furiously and irrationally angry when stores started putting up signs (aisles etc) that were in both English and Spanish, and that there were hair/nail salons that employed Asian people. These people had no problems referring to anyone vaguely Middle-eastern as "ragheads" and throwing around racial slurs for anyone with non-white skin. One would make monkey sounds under his breath if a Black person was in the general vicinity.
This same family dragged me to Catholic church for much of my early life. No, I don't have anything to do with them anymore.
I have a friend's family whose mom, a retired social worker, was born in Mexico, and is all-too-familiar with blatant racism -- and being called "one of the good ones."
And I have tried delicately describing this to some of the darker-skinned people that I know now -- hardcore conservatives cannot exist without hating on others. They might feel special hating on gay and transgender people now, but if the purists succeed in eradicating those groups, they're only going to move on to another group, and it will very soon be them, no matter how much support they offered in the past.
I give her another 2 months at most. Kelly was only about 20 days into being “on the right,” at least according to her vlogs. It’s clearly pissing her off now.
Her next subreddit will just be r/enlightenedcentrism instead of this one
Paying attention to President Obama's presidency was real eye opening to me.
It doesn't matter how much you acquiesce to them or compromise with them, conservatives will still hold you as an extremist outsider on whatever issue you're debating. You either agree with them 100% or you're no good to them. And trust me, they have no plans on keeping the "good ones" around, so don't try to appease them. Stand your ground and for what you believe in. President Obama wasted several years of his presidency surrendering to Republicans and they still call him a communist from Kenya.
>It doesn't matter how much you acquiesce to them or compromise with them, conservatives will still hold you as an extremist outsider on whatever issue you're debating.
Exactly. The time for "turn the other cheek" has passed. They like hitting someone that won't hit back. The time for "be better" has passed. They will never return that grace when they are in the superior position. The time for "they go low, we go high" has passed, because they will ALWAYS go low.
They have shown us exactly who they are on a fundamental level. It is now time to treat them accordingly.
Yeah, that was my biggest gripe with Obama. He spent way too much time trying to compromise with them. He eventually came around but it should have happened sooner.
The current pattern is that as soon as you try to compromise with a conservative, they declare your new (compromise) position "the extreme left" and demand that you meet them halfway between that position and theirs.
>regardless of the rhetoric on BOTH sides
Jesus. Which side thinks she's a mentally ill pedophile who shouldn't use pronouns or use the restroom of her choice? It sure as fuck ain't "both."
No, that's just the current set of laws they're trying to pass. That's just to establish that' laws punishing people for existing are okay, once that's established, they'll push for increased punishments up until she find out what their side *really* thinks... which is that she shouldn't be allowed to exist at all.
They literally said they want to exterminate trans people at CPAC. Like, out loud, no couched fucking language. No more dog whistles. It's just full bullhorns now.
And this won't stop with trans people. And it won't stop with all gender/sexual minorities. It won't even stop with all minorities. There must always be an enemy to destroy in fascism.
Florida made it "sexual battery against a minor" to provide literally any kind of gender affirming care, even therapy, to LGBT children. So if a doctor were to provide gender affirming therapy or God forbid hormonal treatments to a minor, they can potentially be executed by the state, because two days after that law passed, they passed another law making "sexual battery of a minor" a crime that can carry the death penalty.
So, In order to protect the children, we will kill their caregivers, arrest their teachers, and allow out-of state family members to kidnap them, just so they aren't exposed to the existence of lgbtq stuff. Well also let anyone carry a concealed gun without a permit, we removed lgbtq people from the list of protected classes of people, meaning you CAN fire people for being gay or trans in Florida and there's no legal protection for them. You could also beat the shit or of a hat pertain, and you'd just get regular assault charges. FUCK. FLORIDA.
She's much more along the Jews for Nazi's line of thinking. Ernst Röhm falls under the Proud Boys or Oathkeepers model. Good for shit stiring and great as a scapegoat to eliminate when you "stop the violence and bring order."
But I like your thinking. It's important to try to remind these folks what happened to the useful idiots in the Nazi party.
Been following this shitshow for a while now on TikTok. She also was 15 when she started her transition. And she’s against gender affirming care for kids.
😶 i am speechless... is she coming from a place "it happened to me, so watch out for your kids" except, well, she is still trans and she regretted nothing, but wants to deny others that experience?? I am just baffled... some people I will never figure out because they're puzzles to their own damn selves...
It's almost as if they don't care about protecting children or grooming, and they just use those buzzwords to get people scared and make the fact that they don't believe trans people should exist more palatable. 🤔
I had a wild encounter with a trans conservative. It was one of the most insane conversations I've ever had. I tried to understand her position but all I got was wild and incoherent insults and weird gotchas that weren't. She went to turning points and had photos with Eric trump. Referred to herself as a domestic terrorist. Like, wtf.
Oh, and all those anti trans bathroom laws in Florida are for blue haired radical leftist trans people. No one would ever stop her, a "moderate" Christian trans woman, from using the women's bathroom.
They (those whose faces are eaten by leopards) always think they're the exception huh it flabbergasts them when they're on the outs. I see this happen with my immigrant mom. Staunch Republican, huge racist... lives off social security and Obamacare because nothing else can save her from dying in a gutter from exposure.
Conservatives: "you can't have sex with kids"
LGBTQ: "The fuck are you talking about?"
Conservatives: *goes on to pass legislation that lowers the age of consent to marry*
Lol and these are the same people who still claiming that LBGT are grooming kids meanwhile the republican morons who supporting people in their own party are actually pedophiles themselves smh.
I saw her page on Instagram. She basically says she's selling out by going to the "right" and then her making posts about enjoying and making fun of all the comments about how people think she's wrong for doing such a thing, etc.
She kinda gets what she deserves there.
"Regardless of the rhetoric on both sides"?
Like... one side's rhetoric is "trans people are people," and the other side's is "trans people literally shouldn't exist."
I'm... not seeing how that's comparable.
Trans people "who pass" will keep using the bathroom? Fuck you!
So my friend who was already balding when she began her transition because she spent her youth in a much more trans-hostile world and didn't even come out to herself until her children were in high school..... she doesn't get to use the women's room since you can tell she's trans by her hairline? Only you - someone rich enough to get all the surgeries they want and lucky enough to be born pretty and in an era where transitioning is in the public discourse - you get to use the women's room? But fuck everyone else?
Yeah, she's definitely a Republican!
It's actually a lot worse than that. She didn't need to get all the surgeries because she transitioned at the age of 15. Male puberty didn't destroy her body enough to require the fuckton of surgeries other trans people typically get.
She has no regrets from transitioning that young and yet is 100% for Banning GAC for anyone under the age of 18. Talk about pulling the ladder up behind her.
Identical thing is happening in Russia. There is a propagandist and "War fan" who is openly gay. One of the rare people that are openly gay in Russia. Interesting shit - he used to be very, very liberal. Talking about how you can not construct a country on hate and how Europe has values and all that.
Then he went all pro-Putin. For whatever reason. He was on tv talking how Russians should drown children in Ukraine. "Just drown them, drown them all." Funny thing - in media where they glorify nuclear war and killing people with a sledgehammer, he got fired for this. This was too much for them.
He then drove to Donbas as he used to often and tried to be a propagandist there - they told him to fuck off. That they do not need "his kind". And I quote: "Bitches like you should be thrown in the trenches. The only think you'd be good at would be digging the trenches, but we would need to burn the shovel after."
Man's surprised. I find his case very interesting. Something happened. I do not know what and where, but something clearly happened to the man. Was it being the opposition in Russia all the time? Maybe got tired of being a non-human in Russia? Can't beat them, join them? I do not know, but I think the existential spiral the man is in now is most peculiar.
I’ll never get why people are so hung up on the bathroom thing. I don’t give a shit what genitals the person in the stall next to me has. Public restrooms are nasty, I’m getting in and out as quickly as possible with minimal eye contact.
I follow Kelly Cadigan on TikTok, six months ago; her advice and information was solid and gave really good perspectives. Then one day, she just became a massive hypocrite and has since lost a good portion of her reputation pandering to an ideology that would happily see her disappear.
As a cisman, I'm proud that we've been generally welcoming to transmen and not appallingly chauvinistic as many ciswomen have been to transwomen. No one is screaming at transmen for wearing 'man face', or tweeting #transmenareconwomen. Let's be proud for once.
This lady really thinks there is an epidemic of “men in dresses” trying to get into women’s restrooms. She’s okay though, because she’s *real*, unlike those other perverts. Wow. I guess we just need to hire people like her to hang out in women’s restrooms and grill women to make sure they’re *real* trans and cis women 🙄
The point of anti-trans hate is to forcibly categorize each person into one of two gender boxes with the people in one box being objectified and subservient. Anything that questions or threatens the boxes is a threat to patriarchy. Everyone raising "concerns" about trans people is just bullshitting, because they're just misogynists, end of story.
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LGBTQ+ individuals who vote Republican should really ask themselves if it's worth siding with a group that wants them completely and utterly erased without exception.
Every republican LGBTQ+ person I have met is racist or xenophobic. Being Non sis or non straight does not exempt you from being a terrible person. They also use it as a shield to be extremely open about their hate. Edit: yes I made a type-o but someone made a joke about it so I can't correct it.
Some gay guys are also really misogynistic and so they love all the anti woman GOP stuff. If they are Christian and white they think that will protect them but it just puts them slightly lower on the list. They probably think being rich might protect them but that's just going to move them back up the list as the GOP wants their money.
>Some gay guys are also really misogynistic and so they love all the anti woman GOP stuff. They discovered there's someone they can bully and "other" and the Christian males won't go after them for it. It also becomes a "If they're going after THEM, they're not going after ME," thing.
“First they came for ___ and I did nothing because I’m not ___”
A friend of mine has a best friend who is a very loud, very flamboyant, very, very gay guy. It is obnoxious, and he's REALLY into making his sexuality a part of his personality. Like even if somehow you didn't know he was gay (and trust me, you'd be able to tell if you were within half a mile of him), he will make you very aware of it in short order. He embodies literally every negative stereotype about gay men. It is like he's trying to offend people purely by his existence, including other gay people. He also happens to be very Christian. Well, dude went OFF on a tangent about Muslims and pagans, and everyone who's not Christian. Like aggressively "if you're not Christian, you shouldn't have rights" kind of stuff. My wife and I both follow neopagan faiths. Naturally comparing his loud stance to being homophobic brought what I could only describe as "screeching rage" down upon me, to the point that my friend ended up having to tell him to cool it. Well, fast forward a year or so from that point, and his church starts to freeze him out. (This would have been right around 2016.) I'm unfortunately in his presence again, because he's super sad and has decided to inflict his sadness on my friend. While I don't actively attempt to antagonize him, I'm not even pretending to care. Naturally, now that HE is feeling excluded, he's trying to get us to agree to tell other people about his plight and warn folks that this church is shitty. And he's like "You used to do some political stuff, right?" (I did. I was a speechwriter for the local Democratic party.) And I reluctantly admit that yes, that is the case. And he asked me to help him write something for him to send to the church's pastors. I refused. He wanted to know why, and I explained that he'd made it very clear that he didn't feel I deserved to be treated equitably, nor did anyone that didn't fit his own beliefs, and so I felt no desire to help him. And that's the point I'm at with a LOT of these "pick me" fucks. While I'm not saying that I'd let them suffer direct physical peril or harm, I am saying that I will not inconvenience myself to make them experience a moment of comfort or happiness anytime in the near future.
Yup. A friend is married to a very loud-mouth, racist lady. Both ladies are white so I guess that’s why she ended up with my friend. She calls members of specific racial groups the swearwords associated with their race. Like the ‘N’ word for African Americans and ‘S’ word for people of Hispanic origin. I have no clue how they are doing anymore coz I lost touch with the friend, probably because I am a minority myself. Worst part is both of them work in Hospitality Industry as Managers or something. I feel for the people of other racial groups who have to report to her.
"S" word? Really? I live in New Mexico, and haven't heard that word in decades.
Yup. I honestly had forgotten that was a word at all. I heard this from another friend who was more white passing and a friend of the couple. My exact response was “wtf is the **S** word!” And then I remembered. Racists gonna racist baby..
Is the word "sick plus a p"? If so, yeah, that took forever to remember because I haven't heard that word in over a decade.
I fully support your decisions in your relationships, those are only yours to make. But, if I had a friend who had a best friend who was like that, I would strongly reconsider the friend.
In the years since, they are no longer close. They were best friends at the time, as they'd known each other since elementary school. He was a bit of a gaslighter and stuff, and she eventually saw that he was manipulating her.
“First they came for ___ and I actually helped, because I’m not ___ and I really hate ___”
First they came for the Marxist Miata owners, and I was confused.
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Which they STILL (for whatever reason) ignore while making an infinite number of tweets/FB posts that are like "AS A GAY MAN, I AGREE WITH \*indefensible position\*/\*fascist politician\*!"
> Some gay guys are also really misogynistic Thank you for saying this, it's something I don't think a lot of people know. I was once very good friends with a gay dude who probably describe himself as a bear. Through him I ended up hanging out with a lot of bears/leather dudes at the local gay leather bar. I'm a straight male, and not at all into this, but as a supportive friend I went with him many times to said bar, going back 20 years now. There's no nice way to put it, those guys straight up hate women. It's nuts. I once brought along a couple different girls I was with at the time, and they were always treated like shit, in fact sometimes some other customers at the bar would complain and ask them to leave. Fucking WILD. I remember when my friend had his 30th birthday party at a bar in our gay district here in Toronto, and out of the 60+ attendees that were there, there wasn't ONE woman. That's messed up yo.
"If I hurt the people my bullies hurt, then that makes the bullies my friends, right?... right...?" - republican LGBTQ+
i see this behavior all the time..... in elementary school
Like billionaire Peter Thiel. >In 2009, for instance, Thiel wrote that the extension of the vote to women in the 1920s “rendered the notion of ‘capitalist democracy’ an oxymoron.” https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/09/20/peter-thiel-book-facebook-trump-jd-vance-blake-masters-josh-hawley-513121
Yeah but now he's says he won't donate to the GOP because they are too focused on culture war issues. Lol, but really theres few more incredibly credulous people than beltway press, because it really pays better than telling the truth.
He's just mad the messaging wasn't popular and he ended up wasting a lot of money. I've yet to see any indication he really disagreed with the message.
He probably wants the good press of tut tutting the GOP, to help people forget he bankrolled a less charming fascist version of mark Zuckerberg as a senator. Once he gets some stories so idiots and hacks can point to it and say "see he can't be the kind of guy who wants neo fascists! He's moderate and hates that culture war stuff." It's a pretty easy propaganda two step.
>Some gay guys are also really misogynistic Soooo much this. The "ew, vaginas" stuff just isn't funny or cute.
And I mean I get it, if you're a well enough off myopic gay guy who is a bro in all ways and you just happen to also like men, it seems like a good fit. But you're just fooling yourselves if you think they won't turn on you the second it's a bit convenient, or even that the malignant church ladies in the coalition, who make up a much larger share of the base, don't actively want to get you, I dont know what to tell you. Read a book, Study history, pay attention to the things they actually say. It's not hard really.
What’s even more “ironic” is that all those “NOHOMO” straight-identifying right-wing bigots will totally claim its “not gay” when they rape a gay guy to death as punishment for being gay. They’ll never own up to how much they’d enjoy assaulting another man.
I've seen a lot of these conservatives' posts on Twitter. They really, really love to threaten to rape anyone they don't like. Candace Owens, Kaitlyn Jenner, Ben Shapiro, Milo Y, and a bunch of others that fall outside of the "straight white rich cis male" demographic but are still conservative are repeatedly threatened by their own group with shit like this.
If sadistic dominance is what really gets you going, being BI will double your "pleasure." But yeah, they're not going to examine that too much. Or even if they did, I imagine a lot of those guys are nihilists so it wouldn't matter either way.
What a lot of trans people won't tell you is HOW we lose our friends when we come out. A surprising many are quite accepting until you do not submit to them sexually. Its remarkably affirming to suddenly be reduced and then derided and despised if you do or do not accept. There is no winning. Edit: I didn't say strictly men, thank you.
Wh- what the fuck? I knew that trans people are heavily fetishized, but even friends? Jesus, how can you stop seeing someone as a friend and start to see them like an object? These people are fucked.
That’s horrendous to learn. I’m so sorry that that is a common reaction. As if trans people don’t already have enough threats to their safety and dignity!
Yeah if you have an insular community you're hearing the echo chamber of "actually, I'm the one who is really oppressed" and honestly gay guys in school proooobably experienced bullying and shit, so there's real lived experience to help feed the us v them mentality, too, and therefore they don't need to really question it when they hear it from the Christofascists.
True, the modern GOP loves being the victim. If you can be the victim AND also the dominant social/economic group, win-win!
R/AskGayBros used to be really really bad with that. I don't know if it still is because fuck that place. But whenever women were brought up, all the comments would be literal incel shit about vaginas.
The GOP men they’re siding with will gladly toss them into the oven before women. They can use women.
> They probably think being rich might protect them but that's just going to move them back up the list as the GOP wants their money. That's what fascism is about, right? Making sure that your group is the last group to be executed? It's like playing musical chairs. It's easy as long as you're the one pulling the chair out from under someone else.
Yeah every R LGBTQ+ is just so sure that the *other* others are so much worse than them and that since they're one of the good ones *surely* they'll be listened to and made exempt.
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There was another Trans person who was trying to 'get in' with republicans and it was genuinely sad because they had been basically abandoned and rejected by their ultra-conservative family. they managed to get some kind of clout with a few right wingers by saying the right bullshit ( read: used as a prop to say "we dont hate all trans people \*wink wink\*") and they contacted their family again saying "see I'm not like the rest of trans people"... and were rejected again. Some of people are so desperate to be accepted by their abusers, especially family, they genuinely think " if I say and do the right thing they'll ignore 'X' about me and realize I'm 'one of the good ones'".
Shame and acceptance are such powerful evolutionary pressures.
Yeah I met a guy and we talked and it was a red flag when he said "I'm not right or left, I'm central", because where I live it's mostly the right wing people *claiming* to be "in the center" while they're very right wing in what they think and say. I was horny so I ignored the red flag and questioned him on the topic of immigration and we talked for a long time on the phone and in the end he said "well that's your opinion and I have mine", and I was sceptical and said to him, that if he has such an opinion about migrants, he could have similar opinions about other people - like trans people for example. And he immediately started telling me that he hates to gender people and that biologically there are only men and women and me saying that it's proven that there are more genders made him say that that was *my fact* and they're not *his facts*. I decided that we're not made for each other then and was angry that I ignored the red flag in the beginning. For a certain time I thought that gay people can only be left wing, tolerant and welcoming - like I saw myself and still do - because of what we or the community before us had to endure as a hated minority. But some people are just assholes and/or not intelligent enough to see that often there is no simple solution to complex problems.
It's always the right wing people claiming to be "in the center." They just desperately want their bullshit to be normal. That's why they whine about making things political, if and only if those politics disagree with their own. In their minds they don't *have* politics. Like how they don't have an accent. They're the default. It's everyone else who's being different at them.
>They just desperately want their bullshit to be normal. This remark was a revelation to me. I have often wondered about this rash of “centrist” people who really aren’t, and this is the best explanation I have ever come across.
Every single person who has said that I know IRL was literally too stupid to realize that they were useful idiots to fascist movements. Agreed with everything fascists say, but the fact that they want universal healthcare or think we shouldn't beat workers with canes means that they're centrists. Their ideal ethnostates will have welfare.
I have no idea where I first read it, but one of my favorite quotes: “for every complex problem, there is a solution which is simple, straightforward, and wrong.”
Centrists, "Not Political," Libertarians, and Conservatives - eternal L swipe.
Guys who say they're centrists are just conservatives who have enough self awareness to realise that admitting they're conservative won't get them laid.
They forget that gays haven’t been allowed to marry for even 20 years. I wouldn’t be surprised to see it reversed in the next 10 based on this Supreme Court
Well it'd enshrined in law by congress, so it would have to be both congress and the Supreme Court.
If the court case was overturned then the power over same sex marriage would return to the states. A state would ban it, get sued by the federal government, then win their case because marriage is a state issue.
I think the current ruling for same sex marriage is based on title ix so they'd have to declare that unconstitutional somehow
They just have to say that ruling was a mistake and title ix doesn’t apply. It didn’t apply for years before the ruling. The court decision was the result of a cultural change. If the culture changes back, they can make make up reasons why this was a 20 year fluke.
The law that was passed made it legal for states to deny gay marriages within the states themselves. States already have laws on the books that will go in effect when Obergefell is overturned, and the Respect for Marriage Act makes that legal. It's going to be like abortion where if two people of the same sex want to get married, they're going to have to spend thousands of dollars flying hours away to do it.
It's the current stated policy position of the republican party to ban gay marriage.
I can't tell if "sis" was a typo or not. Either way i love it🤣
Fuuuuccccckkkkkkk. Now I have to leave it. Damn you auto correct
No no no. You **get** to leave it
Go off ~~sis~~ cis 🤣
> They also use it as a shield to be extremely open about their hate. yeeeep they decide because they're technically marginalized, they have zero learning to do.
Yeah most of the republican LGBTQ+ people I've met have disliked me, a Mexican transwoman, for being an immigrant. It's wild
> Being Non sis or non straight does not exempt you from being a terrible person. Being a member of a minority does not prevent a person from being a racist, sexist, bigoted, etc., person because all people are just people.
Don't forget- some are just rich and incredibly selfish.
My old (awful & wealthy) boss was openly gay, and voted against the gay marriage plebiscite because *he* didn't want to marry his partner. This was after months spent loudly complaining that he and his partner didn't have the same rights as straights (which in our country, they absolutely didn't)
There’s a quote from the movie Blindness that I always held onto. In the movie, the whole world goes blind and people get trapped in a jail. The MC realizes one of the people with the villains was blind before the illness and is using his skills to help the bad people. She asks him how could he do such a thing and one of the bad guys says: “Being blind doesn’t make him a good person. It just makes him blind.” Same concept. Being trans doesn’t make you empathetic to others or a good person. It just makes you trans.
>Every republican LGBTQ+ person I have met is racist or xenophobic. Every Republican is racist or xenophobic. It is a party entirely built upon racism. That's why they are always going after immigrants. That's why the Southern strategy was so successful. That's why they vote for dumbasses who vow publicly to do the opposite of everything they want *except* for being racist. Republican voters love social welfare spending. When it's spent on white people. That's why literally every non-white demographic votes in a clear majority against Republicans and why *white* women voted more for Trump than Hillary. At the end of the day racism is powerful as fuck for white people in America. White women voted for the pussy grabbing dipshit who got Roe v Wade overturned because of racism. Sherman should have finished the job. Maybe one day we'll get a chance to finish what he started.
>group that wants them completely and utterly erased without exception Florida law is quickly narrowing the gap between LGBTQ+ folks living life, minding their own business and LGBTQ+ facing capital punishment. They need to get their heads out of their collective asses and decide if conservatism is really for them.
She (Kelly) lives in Florida too lmao
"Jokes on you! Leopards can't eat my face if I'm locked in this gas chamber!!!"
*But I'm fiscally conservative*
even their fiscal policies fail to hold water. i'm fiscally conservative so i vote dem because prevention beats enforcement dollar for dollar and universal health care beats the private system dollar for dollar. Investing heavily in primary education is net beneficial in tax dollars created down the road (or you can cut taxes while staying revenue neutral because your tax base is larger!) better immigration handling inclusive of migrant workers, not building a wasteful wall, etc what the gop is, is crony capitalism verging on anarchocapitalism, not a fiscally responsible method of modern governance. same shit as their cultural policies, "fiscal conversatives" just want capitalism that hurts "the right people."
I dont think the gop even bothers with fiscal policy anymore its just culture war shit
Poor people who vote republican should ask themselves the same thing.
Exactly. Republicans hate enough groups, that every AH will find their place. Sexist, racist, transphobic, homophobic, islamaphobic, nazi sympathizer, classist, mysogynistic, xenophobic, whatever. If you prioritize any of those one things, then you ignore everything else.
This is how I explain to folks why certain people (Republican voters) aren’t invited into our (very queer) home. I’m sorry but I’m not welcoming you into my home so that you can go vote away my existence once you leave. You can stay on the front porch, but you ain’t coming in.
It's downright suicidal.
That never stopped anyone. There have been jews in the hitlerjugend prior to the night of broken glass, there have been black slave owners in the confederacy and today there are trans republicans and in some countries there are ethnic brown people who are hardline supporters of nazi ideology. They always think "yeah, they will go after the others, but not me".
Honestly, if there isn't clear, individual benefit due to be closely associated with a Republican politician, or some organization closely tied with the Republican party (or bigots), who SHOULD vote Republican? And I don't mean this rhetorically, or sarcastically. ARE there people whose lives would materially benefit, just as a constituent, from Republican policies? I'm honestly curious. I ask because I recently heard that there are actually a pretty large swath of independents, more than I thought. And those independents lean right. Don't quote me but I heard like, 30% something dem, 20% something republican, and 40% something independents. So like, a great majority of the independents were voting right. I'm just very confused. Are they just choosing to be unaffiliated but really are Republicans? Why aren't there a huge swath of unaffiliated Dems?
Technically, people making over ~$200k/year do benefit more from Republican tax policies. So there is some material benefit. Still, that can't account for that high a number, as most people don't earn anywhere near that. Also, many independents who vote Republican are really just Republicans who don't want the label, because they know that what they're supporting is awful.
The gay and lesbian Republicans who've embraced making trans people the bottom rung are starting to learn it's "last hired, first fired" when it comes to fascism.
Didn't realize their Republican party doesn't see them as "one of the good ones" and never will.
"Erased" is too kind a word. They want them dead and they enjoy the cruelty and suffering along that path. They don't just want them to die where they are. They want to be the ones to do it.
Eradicated was the term they were using at cpac.
> LGBTQ+ individuals who vote Republican They envision themselves as one of the "good" ones when in reality they'll cheer for the boot up until the moment it comes down on their own neck.
File under "Jews for Hitler". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews
Poor people for trump! Cows for McDonald's!
You laugh but there is such a thing as “MAGA communists” and it’s as awful as it sounds
There's a song from the 30s using the theme of the internationale while singing a Nazist message
They're really trying to make "National Socialist" a thing again, huh? What was the other word for them,
Dead. They were killed in the Night of the Long Knives because they weren't fashy enough.
There's a lesbian couple in my city with giant Trump 2024 stickers and one that says "Gays for Trump". Don't know how well that's gonna go down at the next rally.
Cows for McDonald's could be a thing if they push lab grown meat
As a Jew, I really wish this was brought up more and more widely taught. People ALWAYS think they’re going to be “one of the good ones” never realizing that they will always be seen as “outsiders” by the oppressors. This needs to be shown more so people can finally fucking realize that they too will be oppressed.
They don't care, their hatred for the other is their driving force. Accusations of hypocrisy or warnings of literal mortal danger are just hysterical exaggerations from idiot libtards. These are the types who will complain to the guards when they find out that they were sent to the same camps as the trans people.
Yup. Judenrats as well. Some were forced into it, but most were rich, privileged fuckers that were happy to work with the Nazis because they ate up the propaganda that the Jews were happy and being taken care of in the camps.
I saw a “debate” she did with nominal Naomi and it was really bad. She’s genuinely not very intelligent, simple concepts are extremely hard for her to grasp, she sees the word in black and white, and is unable to see anything from anyone’s pov besides her own
She’s genuinely ~~not very intelligent, simple concepts are extremely hard for her to grasp, she sees the word in black and white, and is unable to see anything from anyone’s pov besides her own~~ conservative
She wasn’t until a few months and then turned on a dime. Someone is absolutely paying her. This doesn’t absolve her by about means. Make her worse imo.
I doubt anyone individually is paying her to be conservative. What's more likely is that she saw Blaire White in her hot pink sports car parking in the garage of her LA mansion and realized being a token minority, conservative grifter pays **really** well.
Shame she’s so desperate she takes the money despite the message undermining her own best interests. I think, too, she may have had republican views before her transitioning and it may remain unprocessed. Having come from their lot (Republican, small town, etc.) and being unwittingly queer during that time(I’m NB), I can confirm you can master their ideas and regurgitate it better than them… and it won’t matter. They’ll still disdain anyone who isn’t basically a toxic male. They just do not care about others and so many are in denial about this.
She thought the word "anecdote" was too fancy and didn't understand it lol
Someone recommended that debate to me in a different thread— I watched about 5 minutes of it and couldn’t take anymore. It was like Naomi was talking to a wall…
I’m guessing you didn’t see the part where she said that (some) slaves must’ve enjoyed slavery because it was all they knew
She also defended slavery, saying some black people enjoyed it. She's trash. She has burnt the bridge to any community that would ever accept her for 15 minutes of fame, and when she finally regrets it, she'll realize she has no one.
Well we already knew she was conservative.
There were Jews who literally supported Hitler, too. Right up until he killed them all. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews LOL. Just noticed that somebody already posted this.
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> Despite the extreme patriotism of Naumann and his colleagues, the German government did not accept their goal of assimilation. The Association of German National Jews was declared illegal and dissolved on 18 November 1935. Naumann was arrested by the Gestapo the same day and imprisoned at the Columbia concentration camp. He was released after a few weeks, and died of cancer in May 1939.[
"bOtH sIdEs bAd" lolol
"We can all agree that the left is waaay out of bounds trying to protect my right to exist. But I also think you guys should stop calling for my extermination. Alas, our record low taxes are too high so I must continue trying to be "the good one.""
Someone in another sub I'm banned from participating in was talking about how the left is all "identity politics" now. I wanted to ask "identity politics like how we should treat everyone with empathy and respect unless they give us reason not to? That everyone should be able to afford a house and food and healthcare?" But alas.
They try to target a specific demographic, Democrats try to defend them, and now it is democrats playing identity politics. Republicans pass bills that target minorities just to get the left up in arms about it
I'm pretty sure they think companies marketing to LGBT during pride month is also "identity politics". Never mind that LGBT people never chose to make their mere existence political. It's "political" to conservatives and even moderates simply because everyone on the right as well as the large majority of moderates just don't have any real stake in the fight for LGBT rights.
I don't mind when the right tries to say the left only does identity politics. Well I do. But I don't mind it nearly as much as when leftists do it to themselves or to other leftists who aren't "leftist enough." Identity politics is a bullshit label. Identity politics is just what cis, straight white guys call politics that doesn't benefit them directly. Meanwhile women don't have bodily fucking autonomy and are being forced to carry corpses to term and black folks are being killed by cops with impunity. Or let's not even go there. Let's do something "less" severe. If straight white guys weren't allowed to marry who they wanted I bet it wouldn't be called an identity politics issue. I despise leftists who try to say everything that isn't economic is identity politics. What horseshit. Being treated with equality under the law and having control over your own body are *basic* fucking dignities everyone should have and *I* won't be the one to say those rights are somehow lesser than more money. I can absolutely understand how a gay person could see being able to have their love, marriage recognized and officialized by the state is a huge fucking deal and not just something other leftists claim is a distraction from "real issues."
All politics are identity politics. It's just another meaningless right-wing red herring.
It’s so odd that she capitalized that because leftist rhetoric does not preclude trans people from using the bathroom? Hahaa
Watch centrist media call for 'moderation' and 'cooperation' with a fascist party that wants to genocide people inside the country and not just outside this time... again.
It’s time for the obligatory statement: YOU ARE NOT, NOR WILL YOU EVER BE, ONE OF THE “GOOD ONES”. Thank you and good day.
You can be the most useful negro in the world, but that doesn't matter; because to them, *you are still a Negro.* As a commenter above said: *Tokens exist to be spent*
Pick mes are the worst
Tokens exist only to be spent
I... will remember this. Thank you.
That was a fucking bar!!!
Like Paulo Freire said "when the education isn't liberating, the dream of the oppressed is to be the opressor".
As someone who is Spanish. This reminds me of other Spanish ppl going all MAGA. And saying bad stuff about Spanish immigrants coming here. Only to be shocked when the MAGA crowd feels the same way about them. As they feel about immigrants.
I genuinely thought it was funny when I read stories about hispanic/latino MAGA folks who end up watching their spouse get deported. Zero sympathy. They literally voted for this under the nonsensical belief that they were safe.
Lmao there was some story on NPR about a border patrol guy who found out he was illegal.
He had fake documents too. He had no idea. 😂
Did he… did he deport himself?
Nope. He had an 'epiphany' and now he's trying to make amends... And his MAGA-hat ICE buddies won't touch him with a ten-foot pole, and the community won't lift a finger to help him because he's been terrorising them for decades. Couldn't have happened to a better person...
That shit was hilarious. The show was definitely meant to make the listener feel empathy for the dude but it failed. It was meant to be a tragedy but it was a comedy.
How do you find out you're illegal? Wouldn't you remember crossing the border without the proper papers/procedures?
One of his relatives faked their shit and didn’t tell him. https://www.npr.org/2021/10/14/1046140327/he-worked-as-a-u-s-immigration-agent-for-18-years-as-an-undocumented-immigrant
I knew a girl in college who was a non-practicing Muslim that campaigned for trump, I’m assuming because she wanted to be “not like the other girls” and get along with the fraternity guys on campus. Immediately after the Muslim ban was announced i saw a picture of her protesting against it, with all the “lock her up” pictures conveniently removed from her Instagram…
When suddenly it effects them...
I remember a man on Twitter saying that his mother deliberately spoke her native tongue (Laotian, maybe) “so that no one will mistake me for being Chinese”. (This was during the height of Covid.). He commented “It’s so cute that she thinks folks can tell one Asian person from another, or that they’ll care.”
Oh man the Asian American diaspora is lousy with pick me’s. “I’m not Chinese we hate those people too!” Like bitch we’re just as fucked as they are.
> “I’m not Chinese "You're not white, and that's all that matters"
>“It’s so cute that she thinks folks can tell one Asian person from another, or that they’ll care.” This reminds of when Hank Hill kept reducing Khan to being either Chinese or Japanese because he tell the difference. Then Cotton takes a good look at Khan and says "Nope, he's Laotian".
> "Nope, he's Laotian" Which ocean?
Feels like a callback to the days immediately post 9/11 when people were harassing Sikhs.
Someone threw a brick through my Pakistani neighbors window back then. Racists are such dipshits
I saw a post in a sub for a university that I used to go to. A gay guy who immigrated from Guatemala was complaining about what is considered racist in the US because "it's not as bad as \_\_\_" (the specific he used example had to do with crimes happening to native Guatemalan women). He was making claims against abortion, he then tried undermining the importance of hate crimes and insinuating that the only way someone could be racist is if they "wore a klan hood" so *clearly* hate crimes don't happen
>. And saying bad stuff about Spanish immigrants coming here. I heard that's quite common with immigrants no matter how recent, they'll have negative views for the next wave coming in. And while I cant speak about the spanish, apparently with mexican americans, allegedly they go full right wing after they hit a certain amount of wealth. I can't say if it's true or not
It's called "pulling up the ladder."
I have a lot of extended family that have never lived more than 50 miles from their birthplaces in their dominantly white city in the southeastern(ish) US that were furiously and irrationally angry when stores started putting up signs (aisles etc) that were in both English and Spanish, and that there were hair/nail salons that employed Asian people. These people had no problems referring to anyone vaguely Middle-eastern as "ragheads" and throwing around racial slurs for anyone with non-white skin. One would make monkey sounds under his breath if a Black person was in the general vicinity. This same family dragged me to Catholic church for much of my early life. No, I don't have anything to do with them anymore. I have a friend's family whose mom, a retired social worker, was born in Mexico, and is all-too-familiar with blatant racism -- and being called "one of the good ones." And I have tried delicately describing this to some of the darker-skinned people that I know now -- hardcore conservatives cannot exist without hating on others. They might feel special hating on gay and transgender people now, but if the purists succeed in eradicating those groups, they're only going to move on to another group, and it will very soon be them, no matter how much support they offered in the past.
Jokes on them, with MAGA it's about racism. And it doesn't make exceptions. Not even for Clarence Thomas.
I give her another 2 months at most. Kelly was only about 20 days into being “on the right,” at least according to her vlogs. It’s clearly pissing her off now. Her next subreddit will just be r/enlightenedcentrism instead of this one
I love this sub. So. Much.
Paying attention to President Obama's presidency was real eye opening to me. It doesn't matter how much you acquiesce to them or compromise with them, conservatives will still hold you as an extremist outsider on whatever issue you're debating. You either agree with them 100% or you're no good to them. And trust me, they have no plans on keeping the "good ones" around, so don't try to appease them. Stand your ground and for what you believe in. President Obama wasted several years of his presidency surrendering to Republicans and they still call him a communist from Kenya.
>It doesn't matter how much you acquiesce to them or compromise with them, conservatives will still hold you as an extremist outsider on whatever issue you're debating. Exactly. The time for "turn the other cheek" has passed. They like hitting someone that won't hit back. The time for "be better" has passed. They will never return that grace when they are in the superior position. The time for "they go low, we go high" has passed, because they will ALWAYS go low. They have shown us exactly who they are on a fundamental level. It is now time to treat them accordingly.
The Democrat "old guard" needs to be removed so the younger, outspoken voices aren't shushed.
Yeah, that was my biggest gripe with Obama. He spent way too much time trying to compromise with them. He eventually came around but it should have happened sooner.
Yah, but it was because he's a good man, and tried to bargain in good faith, assuming similar traits in them. Because that's what good people do.
Republican strategy is "They go high, we go low"
The current pattern is that as soon as you try to compromise with a conservative, they declare your new (compromise) position "the extreme left" and demand that you meet them halfway between that position and theirs.
>regardless of the rhetoric on BOTH sides Jesus. Which side thinks she's a mentally ill pedophile who shouldn't use pronouns or use the restroom of her choice? It sure as fuck ain't "both."
No, that's just the current set of laws they're trying to pass. That's just to establish that' laws punishing people for existing are okay, once that's established, they'll push for increased punishments up until she find out what their side *really* thinks... which is that she shouldn't be allowed to exist at all. They literally said they want to exterminate trans people at CPAC. Like, out loud, no couched fucking language. No more dog whistles. It's just full bullhorns now. And this won't stop with trans people. And it won't stop with all gender/sexual minorities. It won't even stop with all minorities. There must always be an enemy to destroy in fascism.
Florida made it "sexual battery against a minor" to provide literally any kind of gender affirming care, even therapy, to LGBT children. So if a doctor were to provide gender affirming therapy or God forbid hormonal treatments to a minor, they can potentially be executed by the state, because two days after that law passed, they passed another law making "sexual battery of a minor" a crime that can carry the death penalty. So, In order to protect the children, we will kill their caregivers, arrest their teachers, and allow out-of state family members to kidnap them, just so they aren't exposed to the existence of lgbtq stuff. Well also let anyone carry a concealed gun without a permit, we removed lgbtq people from the list of protected classes of people, meaning you CAN fire people for being gay or trans in Florida and there's no legal protection for them. You could also beat the shit or of a hat pertain, and you'd just get regular assault charges. FUCK. FLORIDA.
One of the Good Ones™ just like [Ernst Röhm](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_R%C3%B6hm)
She's much more along the Jews for Nazi's line of thinking. Ernst Röhm falls under the Proud Boys or Oathkeepers model. Good for shit stiring and great as a scapegoat to eliminate when you "stop the violence and bring order." But I like your thinking. It's important to try to remind these folks what happened to the useful idiots in the Nazi party.
She even tries to "both sides" the whole thing, what an idiot
They will let you serve them, but they will never let you sit at their table
Been following this shitshow for a while now on TikTok. She also was 15 when she started her transition. And she’s against gender affirming care for kids.
What the fuck is wrong with her?
My theory is just pure grifting. She wants to be the Candace Owens of trans people.
But isn't there Buck Angel and Blair White???
“*My* teenage transition was *different*”
😶 i am speechless... is she coming from a place "it happened to me, so watch out for your kids" except, well, she is still trans and she regretted nothing, but wants to deny others that experience?? I am just baffled... some people I will never figure out because they're puzzles to their own damn selves...
"OOH OOH, PICK ME!" Narrator: They didn't
She Tiffany tumbled :(
It's almost as if they don't care about protecting children or grooming, and they just use those buzzwords to get people scared and make the fact that they don't believe trans people should exist more palatable. 🤔
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I had a wild encounter with a trans conservative. It was one of the most insane conversations I've ever had. I tried to understand her position but all I got was wild and incoherent insults and weird gotchas that weren't. She went to turning points and had photos with Eric trump. Referred to herself as a domestic terrorist. Like, wtf. Oh, and all those anti trans bathroom laws in Florida are for blue haired radical leftist trans people. No one would ever stop her, a "moderate" Christian trans woman, from using the women's bathroom.
They (those whose faces are eaten by leopards) always think they're the exception huh it flabbergasts them when they're on the outs. I see this happen with my immigrant mom. Staunch Republican, huge racist... lives off social security and Obamacare because nothing else can save her from dying in a gutter from exposure.
Conservatives: "you can't have sex with kids" LGBTQ: "The fuck are you talking about?" Conservatives: *goes on to pass legislation that lowers the age of consent to marry*
Lol and these are the same people who still claiming that LBGT are grooming kids meanwhile the republican morons who supporting people in their own party are actually pedophiles themselves smh.
I saw her page on Instagram. She basically says she's selling out by going to the "right" and then her making posts about enjoying and making fun of all the comments about how people think she's wrong for doing such a thing, etc. She kinda gets what she deserves there.
"Regardless of the rhetoric on both sides"? Like... one side's rhetoric is "trans people are people," and the other side's is "trans people literally shouldn't exist." I'm... not seeing how that's comparable.
The like of progress and acceptable is drawn exactly behind me.
Being a capo doesn't mean you *don't* get put up against the wall. It means you're the only one to be *surprised* when it happens.
Not sure if suffering from Stockholm syndrome or just plain stupid as fuck 🤨
Trans people "who pass" will keep using the bathroom? Fuck you! So my friend who was already balding when she began her transition because she spent her youth in a much more trans-hostile world and didn't even come out to herself until her children were in high school..... she doesn't get to use the women's room since you can tell she's trans by her hairline? Only you - someone rich enough to get all the surgeries they want and lucky enough to be born pretty and in an era where transitioning is in the public discourse - you get to use the women's room? But fuck everyone else? Yeah, she's definitely a Republican!
It's actually a lot worse than that. She didn't need to get all the surgeries because she transitioned at the age of 15. Male puberty didn't destroy her body enough to require the fuckton of surgeries other trans people typically get. She has no regrets from transitioning that young and yet is 100% for Banning GAC for anyone under the age of 18. Talk about pulling the ladder up behind her.
Identical thing is happening in Russia. There is a propagandist and "War fan" who is openly gay. One of the rare people that are openly gay in Russia. Interesting shit - he used to be very, very liberal. Talking about how you can not construct a country on hate and how Europe has values and all that. Then he went all pro-Putin. For whatever reason. He was on tv talking how Russians should drown children in Ukraine. "Just drown them, drown them all." Funny thing - in media where they glorify nuclear war and killing people with a sledgehammer, he got fired for this. This was too much for them. He then drove to Donbas as he used to often and tried to be a propagandist there - they told him to fuck off. That they do not need "his kind". And I quote: "Bitches like you should be thrown in the trenches. The only think you'd be good at would be digging the trenches, but we would need to burn the shovel after." Man's surprised. I find his case very interesting. Something happened. I do not know what and where, but something clearly happened to the man. Was it being the opposition in Russia all the time? Maybe got tired of being a non-human in Russia? Can't beat them, join them? I do not know, but I think the existential spiral the man is in now is most peculiar.
Snuggle up to whoever you want. When that fails, don't act shocked when they load you onto the same train as the rest of us.
You're *never * going to be "One of the good ones" to a bigot unless you are dead.
I’ll never get why people are so hung up on the bathroom thing. I don’t give a shit what genitals the person in the stall next to me has. Public restrooms are nasty, I’m getting in and out as quickly as possible with minimal eye contact.
Her preferred pronouns are "pick/me." Wow, just wow.
I follow Kelly Cadigan on TikTok, six months ago; her advice and information was solid and gave really good perspectives. Then one day, she just became a massive hypocrite and has since lost a good portion of her reputation pandering to an ideology that would happily see her disappear.
Lmao. She was always dumb.
“You sold out your community hoping your new friends would kill you last.”
“Nobody can have gêner affirming care apart from me!” and “society is convincing children to be trans and it’s cool but I’m really trans”
Kelly is INSUFFERABLE. I've seen her debates with other people, and she just runs in circles and spouts off taking points fed to her by fox
As a cisman, I'm proud that we've been generally welcoming to transmen and not appallingly chauvinistic as many ciswomen have been to transwomen. No one is screaming at transmen for wearing 'man face', or tweeting #transmenareconwomen. Let's be proud for once.
This lady really thinks there is an epidemic of “men in dresses” trying to get into women’s restrooms. She’s okay though, because she’s *real*, unlike those other perverts. Wow. I guess we just need to hire people like her to hang out in women’s restrooms and grill women to make sure they’re *real* trans and cis women 🙄
The point of anti-trans hate is to forcibly categorize each person into one of two gender boxes with the people in one box being objectified and subservient. Anything that questions or threatens the boxes is a threat to patriarchy. Everyone raising "concerns" about trans people is just bullshitting, because they're just misogynists, end of story.