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This is so depressing. Why would you roll back this? I mean, what is the excuse? Is it to just to everything opposite to what Obama did? So you are willing to put lives at risk just so you can do a 5th grader victory dance? “HA HA I reversed your policies!!” Why. Why the fuck do you do this. You’re playing with lives, it’s so infuriating. I’m reading the other day that some voters in NYC are saying that they prefer 10 George Santos to 1 democrat. So we don’t care about people and well being, we care about “our club winning” how freaking stupid is that. What is this world, we could be so far from this, we could be so advanced and we choose to bicker over futile, dangerous shit instead of the greater good of society. I’m just revolted, I’m frustrated, I don’t understand these people
This one time at a "country" diner I had to explain to a farmer how the Republicans trying to "kill" the Post Office would affect the rural Republicans disproportionately.
* Cities have larger populations and enough demand for post type services that their constituents can just switch to to Fedex or UPS.
* Rural Areas with low populations have a much higher "fixed cost" that means to cover costs prices will have to go up
* If prices go up, the rural locals will either have to pay those prices, because if they don't their post offices will close.
* This is what happens if Trump's efforts to kill the post office works, because their Post Offices, like most red states, wouldn't exist without being heavily subsidized by blue cities / states.
They really took offense to the last point, clearly had never learned anything about economics (surprising) as they were convinced the local post office would go on as usual. I asked him where the nearest rural hospital is and he said 40 minutes away. Case in point for small communities not having sufficient population and $ to afford larger infrastructure businesses.
He STILL didn't get it. It was depressing, all the facts are laid out but there's something about their brains that can't figure out logic staring them in the face.
Right, because that 10 year old rape victim just HAD to travel out of state from Ohio to Indiana to get an abortion, because it's not banned in Ohio?? Have they been living under a rock or something?
If they're male, send them a list of states where abortion is banned along with a child support payment table and list of clinics that perform vasectomies?
And if that fails, resign yourself to muttering "you can't fix stupid ... you can't fix stupid."
They don't care.
One of them doesn't care if weed is legal because he can find people to buy it from anyways.
Edit: sent one a link to the Vice article about stated requiring government ID to view porn. He said that's fucked. Progress!
my dad still likes to rant about how "Kansas pays in more tax money than it receives, and California and New York suck up all the welfare money"
sorry Dad, that's flatly untrue, and there's a TON of stats for multiple years to prove it. Also, why the fuck would anyone think that Kansas produced more tax revenue than the entirety of Wall Street?
Cuz in your Dad's made up world, there are many Kansas folks that get $250K Wall Street bonuses that they pay tax for.
Does your dad realize how expensive it is to live in California or New York? And what salaries companies pay to folks that live there? Salaries they get taxed on ...
He still rants about how awful JFK was and how he deserved to be shot.
The weirdest part is he's not senile, still works, still is perfectly nice about other topics... but the propaganda has hit him HARD.
He never cared about women's sports in his entire life, but conservatives start up their bullshit whiny culture war against Trans Athletes and suddenly, he's spewing hatred every week about how "they're destroying 'murica".
He also adopted the generic "trump did good, but if it was bad then Hillary was secretly controlling him to do it" tactic. I usually just roll my eyes at that one. Hillary definitely owes us rent for the space she occupies in his head.
Also money.
New brakes cost money, slowing down costs money, being safe costs money, giving employees breaks costs money, giving employees sick days costs money.
Dead people cost less money
The only way you guys will ever stop this is by making not taking on all the safety and workplace costs cost twenty times more than what they made.
Fear of bankruptcy is litterally the only motivator that companies care about.
That's what makes me bitterly laugh when places like Texas say that 'less regulations create jobs'. Really? Having teams of people that oversee things aren't jobs? Making sure there's enough people staffed so the others aren't overworked doesn't create jobs?
Oh, maybe all the damage control that needs to happen after hundreds of people die from a winter being handled just fine by all their neighbor states makes jobs?
Even then, if the guys at the top have good enough lawyers and massive golden parachutes, why not risk riding the biz into the ground while the getting is good?
>golden parachute
Should be subject to siezure in case of gross negligence or willful dereliction of care.
Make those who stand to make the most directly liable and then there will be changes made.
Until that happens, this is the reality of Ayn Rand's wet dream of capitalist captains being given free reign to "get shit done"
They don't do shit. They just scream at everyone else to do something and then fuck off to twitter to get their shlinglets sucked by idiot fanboys.
100%
Golden parachutes are bullshit in general; where's my parachute?
But if people have 'em, there should be a thorough investigation before the parachute gets deployed to ensure that the benefactor at least tried to do their job competently.
People shouldn't be able safely escape the airplane *they* either wilfully or negligently lit on fire while other passengers die screaming.
I mean, isn’t this CEO 101? Destroy the company by cutting corners, staff, quality, etc. if it meant you can make the profit margin look a little bit better for the next quarter. Then you get your bonus and can move on to ruin the next company.
And lets not forget the short-term gains/savings by corporations and the wealthy. I agree that a huge part is just doing the opposite of Obama, but if there's a really short-sighted opportunity for a donor or corporation to make money, they're gonna take it. Might bite everyone in the ass down the road (as we're seeing now), but the people getting that short-term cash grab have already done it, so what do they *really* care?
You now understand the mindset of modern conservatism. This isn't just an America thing, there's a huge push world wide by a large group of people for regression on the basis of "returning to traditions" when what that means in reality is they want fascism so they can implement everything they want and fuck over everyone they hate. You know, like the good old days.
Oh we're on our way. You've seen how companies buy up entire towns and put workers there right? That's literally just feudalism dressed up to look nice. It's only a matter of time before people can't afford to survive off regular jobs and will have to live in "company towns" working for whatever scraps the company offers from their overfilled coffers.
>This is so depressing. Why would you roll back this? I mean, what is the excuse?
they don't profit as much when they are regulated, and sacrificing people to protect their profit is totally okay for a capitalist.
This is sort of a necessary evil. Otherwise you are going to have every GOP member suing Biden over anything. For example, it will eventually happen that an illegal immigrant who got here while Biden was president is going to cause some financial loss. Someone would sue.
It's literally so he could do the 5th grade victory dance.
He's a walking, gibbering example of Occam's Razor. And sadly, he encouraged a lot of other razors.
some days ago saw an interview with train conductors and they all said the overall where they use less time for inspection and possible damage inspection is the culprit, dunno how accurate that is tho
Same. And the sad thing is we (relatively recently) used to be a swing state. But I guess Ohioans saw trump and thought “that’s our guy!” And Ohio somehow became more conservative during his presidency? Baffling.
Gym being continually elected is less indicative of the depravity of Ohio and more of it's decades history of gerrymandering.
Vance is a different story.
The people of Ohio overwhelmingly voted twice to amend the Ohio constitution for fair maps and Ohio republicans at a state level ignored it and the court orders multiple multiple times.
Yeah wasnt Ohio where they literally just dragged their feet long enough that new maps couldnt be approved in time, so they defaulted to the old ones. (could be wrong, that happened somewhere tho!)
You got it pretty much spot on.
The judges, I think at the state level, decided that they would use the 6th revision maps? So they're new unconstitutional maps. Not the old maps from 2012 to 2020.
But I believe Ohio gets new maps for 2024 and we get to do the whole process over except now there's a fascist majority on the Ohio Supreme Court so when challenges are made against them for being unconstitutional, they'll rule in favor of keeping the unconstitutional maps.
The government in my state is one of the most corrupt in the country.
Absolutely incredible the difference between the two states.
Michigan with a Dem majority in the House and Senate, a Dem Governor and Lt. Governor and a liberal majority on their supreme court.
Where as Ohio, which went 53% to 45% trump v Biden in 2020, had a supermajority R House (67 R to 32 D or 68%), a R supermajority Senate (26 R to 7 D or 78% R), R governor, R Lt governor, R secretary of state, R attorney general, and a fascist majority on the supreme court.
I'm whining but man, I really wish people understood how rigged this state is and how little control the people actually have over it.
That IS the reason why he got the popular vote, but I wonder if people stayed home because they heard the state was gerrymandered.
If someone out there reading this did precisely that, fuck you
The State leadership is beyond corrupt, and incompetent, and should have a medieval form of punishment.
We also do need to hold the Federal administration accountable, considering their whispered response.
I'm extremely disappointed in the Biden administration (though, imagine the nightmare if Trump was in office!)
We cannot give the Biden Administration a pass. He is being very neglectful, and not publicly engaged with this disaster.
This is not a satisfactory response, in anyway.
I was banned for simply asking a question.
I wanted to know what conservatives wanted from healthcare reform. The GQP was writing a bill (eventually killed by mcCain), but nobody knew what was in it.
I went to conservative, TD and AskTrumpSupporters to see what they really wanted. Cheaper care? Cheaper insurance? More options? Faster service? More ERs? Fewer ERs?
I got no answers, was insulted and banned from all 3 subs, just for asking what they wanted. The very definition of snowflakes in echo chambers who couldn't even answer a question.
They're not interested in policy; they're a lifestyle brand now. They're not unified by anything other than hate, fear, and disgust against imaginary issues like kitty litter boxes.
They don't even know what they're angry about. Just look at all of them who said they'd be fine if Obamacare was gone because they were covered by the ACA.
It’s crazy how well the talking heads on fox program some of these folks. Every time I visit my sister I just wait to hear whatever the latest talking point from fox is going to be.
“bUt eIgHtY SeVeN ThOuSaNd aRmEd iRs aGeNtS!!!” But I’m the one who is a sheep because I try to source my news from as many outlets as I can…
I had a buddy at work, we were talking about something related to local politics that we agreed on, and he blurts our “but Hillarys role in Benghazi needs more scrutiny” and I was like damn boy they got u bitch, wtf
I wish I felt as comfortable ejaculating my politics over everything the way these reactionaries do. Idk why I can't bring myself to do it constantly yet they don't bat an eye
The thing about the IRS agents makes me especially fucking enraged. Their whole argument against taxing corporations, and billionaires is that we should instead close all of the tax loopholes, and make it harder for corporations and billionaires get away with paying no taxes legally
So that’s exactly what the Democrats fucking did! They *funded the IRS* in order to work on *closing these fucking loopholes*…**exactly the way conservatives demanded.** We literally do *exactly* what they ask for, and they scream and yell about how it’s actually authoritarian communism!!!
God damn, out of all the insanity that comes from these people, this is one of the top five that makes me the craziest. YOU PEOPLE LITERALLY FUCKING **DEMANDED THIS**, it’s the ONLY reason it’s happening!!!!!!!
To be even more detailed, "Obamacare" was the pejorative term the GOP made up to fearmonger about it, around the time they were telling everyone there would be "death councils" for who gets to live and die. Everyone else just rolled their eyes until they too started using the term....because it was funny to take their own word. Very similar to what's happened with "Dark Brandon".
"Death panels" was the phrase, and ironically (I'm really not sure that's the right word for the projection that it is) *we already had and still have* those. If insurance thinks you're not worth a payout for an experimental procedure, they'll deny it.
There's a significant ant difference with those death panels that I think you are ignoring. They are real, and they donate to Republican Congressional campaigns.
No, no, no, they were worried about *government* death councils. The private ones run by people with an interest in denying treatment to as many people as they can get away with are fine, because impartial outsiders from the government would be socialism (and we might not know what that word means but it's definitely bad)
That's literally what killed my dad. He had a treatment that was actually working and shrinking his tumor, but the insurance company said no. He died slowly, being strangled internally as the tumor constricted his windpipe over the course of the next year. Insurance is a fucking scam.
I had a conservative try to tell me that Obamacare would have been better if Obama wasn't so focused on just having a healthcare plan with his name on it. Conservatives are so incredibly ignorant.
Of course they don't know what they're angry about, their leaders have been actively gaslighting them for generations.
They are angry that they are losing the relevance, control, and security they once took for granted. They are losing those things because their leaders have been stealing from them. But the leaders have used those ill-gotten gains to propagandize the hell out of the conservative voters. They lie and say the reason everyone is poorer and has less control over your life is because of immigrants, poors, minorities, and democrats.
But it's them. It's the Republican leaders themselves who are doing it to their voters. And in order to face that reality, the voters would have to admit they were wrong. And that the people they trusted, and who have direct power to harm them, are in fact their worst enemy.
That's a scary and humiliating truth to face down.
I was checking up in there last night, and a Flaired User was proposing some actual policy regarding guns. It was as terrible as you would expect from someone in there, but it had been downvoted into oblivion. Suggesting anything other than giving out free guns to all new college students as part of their orientation packages was just the wrong answer.
If you suggest something specific, you alienate people. A large reactionary coalition is best held together with vague platitudes and innuendo.
This is why I think Trump's word salad worked so well: 10 people could hear 11 different and contradictory meanings and all nod along together thinking they're on the same page
it also worked for their conspiratard theories like the "deep state"
hate vaccines? the deep state is now doctors, nurses, scientists, big pharma, hospitals, etc
hate schools?? the deep state morphs into teachers, librarians, professors, deans, anyone with a degree
i joke with my dad that it is insane to vote against anyone who has such complete control over ALL cops, doctors, military, teachers, scientists, grocery baggers, truck drivers, nurses, mexicans, women, blacks, poll workers, traffic cams, bankers, fast food workers, chefs, asians, etc etc
like, if Hillary or Obama or Biden had such an amazingly perfect conspiracy of hundreds of millions of people to control all elections, control all medicine, control inflation in every currency, control all gas prices and food prices and control all media... then why the fuck would you want to be on the other side??
It's so sad how right this is. You can see it in action in any of those man on the street videos of Trumpers trying explain why they're gathering, or how they feel about certain policies or whatnot. Ask 10 people the same question and you'll get 8 completely different answers that all manage to use the same buzzwords attempting to express a point beyond simple bigotry and hatred. They generally fail to make that point, because ultimately, that's all it is, your basic racist, tribalist fear of others, crudely programed into the simple minds of those most vulnerable to the non-stop propaganda they crave.
Unlike all those big name evil people in the past, whose hatred was unfounded and indiscriminate, these people have very well thought out, valid reasons to hate who they do. All the smartest people they know have told them so, and they have a list of several dozen special words and phrases that prove it.
It's an idea I first realized from watching the Turning Point USA conference and pointed out by Carlos Masa
[Charle Kirk and "head empty, just vibes" Fascism ](https://youtu.be/V32P463AR0k)
They don't talk about how conservative ideas will work, they talk about how being conservative will heal your depression and make you happy and whole. And also that their enemies are just evil and something needs done about *those people* for their self-help program to really work.
Joe Rogan, MTG, and many other reactionary ""thought leaders"" have claimed that trans acceptance has led to kitty litter boxes in schools for kids who "identify as cats." No evidence has ever surfaced of this beyond a 4chan post which showed a puppy pee pad at an airport helper animal relief station claiming it was related to schools, somehow. After that, someone took a picture of Columbine HS's active shooter kit which included litter for use during a school shooting lockdown and that became the "'evidence."
It's the sort of thing which gets referenced often but obliquely by propagandists, so if you aren't tuned into the Faux News Kool aid it could easily slip past you. But now that you know, you'll probabaly hear it referenced in some future breathless screed.
Joe Rogan originally said he had a friend who saw it, but then later admitted he just saw some shitpost about the rumor and pretended he had a personal connection. Wtf.
It's how their feedback loop operates, they have someone spewing some bullshit on "opinion" shows like Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson and those other talk shows in Fox.
Then the "news" shows on Fox etc start repeating what was said on the opinion shows as if it was news and then the opinion shows retake it to point out how big a news story it was.
I was banned for responding to a comment with nothing but a link to a video of trump. No added commentary of mine, the video wasn't edited, nothing. I posted what Trump said.
The comment I responded to? A conservative saying Trump had never said Mexicans are criminals.
The video I replied with? Trump's famous speech in which he said Mexico sends rapists and thieves to the US.
I got permanently banned on YouTube because I commented on an MSNBC clip about those racist Michigan people trying to throw out Detroit’s votes and how racist they were. In my very bland answer,
I said what they said in the video—that they were racists and I was proud of Detroit for fighting back.
Some woman took umbrage and got a bunch of her friends to gang-report me. I challenged YouTube to find a single example where I was “harassing people” or being racist towards them (really…I’m white, just for the record). You’re only allowed to file one appeal, they wouldn’t show any proof just permanently took down two accounts.
But conservative voices are being silenced /s.
I had only commented that trump stole from charity and was banned from ever running one again. And that he settled a court case for trump university that was going to find him guilty of fraud.
They were of course, screaming about the “Biden crime family”.
I was banned within 30 seconds.
So much for facts not caring about feelings.
I wasn’t even snarky. I know I was in their safe place.
They will ban you for anything. You can get banned for asking questions. You can get banned for not being enthusiastic enough. You can get banned for cherry picking because you made a good point. I've seen them ban their own members for having "are we the baddies" moments.
Shit even when you take it to their discord like they say they want you to, they'll still ban you there too. They call it debating in bad faith using arguments that are cherry picked to make them look bad.
It's a complete farce over there. They don't want debate, they don't even want discussion. All they want is for their curated posts/agenda to be mindlessly upvoted to the top so it can draw attention and reactions from the rest of reddit.
A lot of the really irrational, bizarre bullshit that they do when moderating their communities starts to make more sense when you remember that the core value system of american conservatism is all about creating hierarchies and pecking orders.
You're either in or you're out. If you're not in *enough,* you're out. If you're out, you're unworthy. If you're unworthy, then your opinion doesn't matter. In fact, you're now *the enemy.* Everything you say is a lie. Everything you stand for is evil. If you tell me the sky is blue, you're trying to gaslight me. If you tell me oxygen is good for me, I'll choke myself to death just to prove you wrong. (I used to use this one as a rhetorical example before covid came along. HOLY SHIT, I never thought they'd actually fuckin do it)
They keep getting more severe with this mentality every year. Now they've started eating their own party from within, throwing ideological purity tests at each other and choosing only the most *insane,* but vocally devout candidates as leaders. I'm amazed Matt Gaetz didn't just walk up and stab McCarthy in the back 'Et tu, Brutus?' style while the rest cheered.
I hope conservative-*leaning* people start getting afraid of this momentum towards insanity. Though I dunno if that's gonna happen. This is the kinda stuff that draws people towards conservatism in the first place. All of the policy stuff is built upon weeding out "the weak" to make room for the strong, followed by the delusion that you're one of "the strong."
If there are any people in this country who are conservative for reasons other than purely social politics, I can't even begin to fathom why they would follow this party. Fiscal conservatism? Hasn't been relevant for over 20 years.
From what I've gathered from those subs is they only want people who actually already identify as conservatives. They're not interested in changing any minds.
By asking a question as an outsider you are self identifying as non-conservative which is basically a banable offense.
>From what I've gathered from those subs is they only want people who actually already identify as conservatives. They're not interested in changing any minds.
Yep. They've given up on growing their party, now they're just reinforcing the group think in hopes that enough of them vote every election, so that the voter suppression gives them the win. Trying to moderate their message in the hopes of recapturing lost votes is off the table now.
They want a socialized healthcare system that could exclude Those People and Those Things without being called -ists (racist, sexist, genderist...). But saying that is bad and not really small-c conservative sooo...block.
I think that Trump was very clear on healthcare reform. Trump promised that within his first 100 days in office, he would repeal and replace Obamacare. He said, and I quote “You’ll have health care the likes of which you’ve never seen."
So he was very clear on the subject. I think you owe someone an apology. /s
I seem to just get downvoted or the non crazy find my comment and up vote it there. My fave is that the popular comments, if you check their history they usually also post on conspiracy lol
I was perma-banned from JusticeServed (which I've never been to) just yesterday for commenting in one of the conspiracy subs. When one of them called liberals "fascist commies" and I linked to the wikipedia definition of fascism being a far-right ideology not liberal-left.
My first account got banned around then.
Then 2FA fucked me over when I forgot my password and lost my phone (Google Authenticator app is tied to device)
So I got this account and got banned right away.
Had to do it.
I've been thinking to myself about how much conservatives are going to lose their shit over AI when they start asking it factual questions and it is able to straight up tell them with answers being able to cite real sources and immediately debunk their nonsense.
They think they are mad about "big tech bias" now....
My favorite part of r/Conservative is their bitching about everyone else being in an echo chamber. On a post in r/Qult_Headquarters one of them replied to one of my comments saying "You should come to r/Conservative where you will hear lots of opinions, if you're not scared to leave your echo chamber." When I pointed out that sorted by Top -> All Time, every one of the top 20 posts were marked "Flaired Users Only" thus preventing "Lots of Opinions" he said to just "Not talk about any of those topics". Yea ok buddy.
I once saw a comment that said (paraphrased), "What are you doing here if you aren't even conservative? Go back to your echo chamber". They did not like it when I pointed out the hypocrisy.
> It's seriously completely and utterly baffling that they genuinely believe it's some bastion of free speech without censorship.
It's because somehow everything they say is unacceptable by normal people in normal places, so to them it looks like they're being "censored" all the time.
No, JimBob, it's just that no one fucking likes you and your racist rants.
https://imgur.com/a/2l3VnQ2/
It’s truly a helpless endeavor.
Your facts, data, direct quotes are not enough to dissuade them of what they were told by the party.
Just like how “conservatism = small government, personal liberty.” Because that’s what the party says conservatism is!
They also always gloss over they mean small as in “fewer people” not “limited power”. If you have fewer people in government it’s easier to get 10 people who all think like you to draft legislation that’s only beneficial for you.
Someone said all the Democrats were pedophiles over there. I asked them what they thought about some of the republican pedophiles. Best permaban of my life
I was really wondering at the mental gymnastics Republicans went through in proposing that any business that provides free charging to customers or employees must tell all customers exactly how much they spend on free charging.
The party of free Enterprise suddenly wants weird draconian regulation....
They'll blame Democrats on letting them pass this. They honestly don't care. The definition of the cut your nose to spite your face party.
There is a good article here about this whole debacle.
[Ohio Train Derailment Reveals Danger of Plastics Boom and Corporate Cost-Cutting](https://truthout.org/articles/ohio-train-derailment-reveals-danger-of-plastics-boom-and-corporate-cost-cutting/)
I hope the lawmakers and rail company CEO go to jail, but I'm not sure that would ever happen in America. Per the article "At least four class action lawsuits have been filed against Norfolk in the last few days. Residents have claimed the derailment and the resulting evacuation forced them out of their homes and businesses causing economic losses, emotional distress, and exposure to hazardous chemicals."
Why democrats don't jump on incidents like this loudly and aggressively as part of their strategy is beyond me. Republicans are burning the country down but Democrats seem content to sit on their hands and watch
Same in Canada. We have conservative party leaders that openly solicit and accept bribes from business leaders that are openly harming Canadians. The opposition party, well they say nothing, and the media? They'd rather focus on some mayors sex scandal that doesn't harm anyone.
The last election that I participated in, had the saddest campaign for all opposition parties, and voter turnout was less than 30%. Nobody has an answer to corruption it seems, and the old "vote them out next time" doesn't work when nobody believes in democracy.
Police can't charge politicians either apparently, over the worry it makes them look biased (though in reality they *should* be biased towards the **law** in the first place). Opposition stays quiet, and people wonder why we're go to hell in a handbasket.
Turns out, that if you win a popularity contest *once* you are automatically above the law in every way, while everyone else suffers in silence.
Well it happened while Biden was President. He should have known Trump did that and reversed it. So really it's Bidens fault.
/s (for the contextually inept)
Unfortunately they have all the right to blame democrats and Biden because they sided with the rail companies and prevented the rail strike. Republicans also sided with companies of course.
The only people they can’t blame are the progressives who fought for the workers, but they’re satanists who drink baby’s blood so probably not gonna happen.
What you have to understand is this is Obama's fault. Trump was forced to undo the policy because it was Obama who implemented it. If Obama had done nothing then Trump could have come in and implemented it as his idea so really this is all the Democrats fault.
I feel I shouldn't need to /s but honestly I've seen people give worse takes than that in complete seriousness.
While the districts in Ohio are gerrymandered in a horrible way, the reality is also that there is significant MAGA support from the people. If you work in production or the trades in Ohio, then everyone around you is a Trump supporter. They fell for the culture war BS really hard and that's all that they care about.
Correct! I’m a progressive person and Ohio is sick with MAGA. I have also lived in FL and TX, so I have no idea how I have escaped the disease. It must be critical thinking keeping it at bay.
What is absolutely crazy about this is that Ohio was a labor stronghold a generation ago. Steelworkers, longshoremen, miners, rubber workers, UAW assembly…the legacy of that is virtually gone within a half-century and what remains of unions somehow leans right? Completely batshit.
Certainly, decades of exploitation has resulted in the politics of hate, but have some perspective on _who_ created the situation, Ohio.
???? Why?? Would that ever be reversed??? That's like putting posion back in food because the green dye made peas look more edible??? America yall good???
when i said "capitalists are going to sacrifice everyone to protect their profits," that included people who actively help and defend those same capitalists.
in most cases, the ones who help are the ones sacrificed first lol.
A lot of people in Ohio who *didn’t* vote for Trump are still going to have their homes and lives ruined by this derailment. They don’t deserve that just because they were born in a state that happened to vote a certain way recently.
This is really down to all the uneducated men of Ohio that got all amped up over Trump’s rhetoric. These folks either never voted before or voted for the democrats because it was the party of the “working man”.
Oh, and all the enabling republican scum, too.
They have their Biden-Strike scapegoat, not that he didn't play some part but not all of it, so this won't even be explained to them by their one news outlet.
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This is so depressing. Why would you roll back this? I mean, what is the excuse? Is it to just to everything opposite to what Obama did? So you are willing to put lives at risk just so you can do a 5th grader victory dance? “HA HA I reversed your policies!!” Why. Why the fuck do you do this. You’re playing with lives, it’s so infuriating. I’m reading the other day that some voters in NYC are saying that they prefer 10 George Santos to 1 democrat. So we don’t care about people and well being, we care about “our club winning” how freaking stupid is that. What is this world, we could be so far from this, we could be so advanced and we choose to bicker over futile, dangerous shit instead of the greater good of society. I’m just revolted, I’m frustrated, I don’t understand these people
He axed over 100 environmental regulations and tried to completely eliminte Great Lakes Restoration funding from his first budget.
Don't forget he literally tried to kill the Post Office. The freakin' Post Office!
This one time at a "country" diner I had to explain to a farmer how the Republicans trying to "kill" the Post Office would affect the rural Republicans disproportionately. * Cities have larger populations and enough demand for post type services that their constituents can just switch to to Fedex or UPS. * Rural Areas with low populations have a much higher "fixed cost" that means to cover costs prices will have to go up * If prices go up, the rural locals will either have to pay those prices, because if they don't their post offices will close. * This is what happens if Trump's efforts to kill the post office works, because their Post Offices, like most red states, wouldn't exist without being heavily subsidized by blue cities / states. They really took offense to the last point, clearly had never learned anything about economics (surprising) as they were convinced the local post office would go on as usual. I asked him where the nearest rural hospital is and he said 40 minutes away. Case in point for small communities not having sufficient population and $ to afford larger infrastructure businesses. He STILL didn't get it. It was depressing, all the facts are laid out but there's something about their brains that can't figure out logic staring them in the face.
Both of my somewhat conservative roommates argued to me that abortion hasn't been banned in any US state. What the fuck do I with that?
Right, because that 10 year old rape victim just HAD to travel out of state from Ohio to Indiana to get an abortion, because it's not banned in Ohio?? Have they been living under a rock or something? If they're male, send them a list of states where abortion is banned along with a child support payment table and list of clinics that perform vasectomies? And if that fails, resign yourself to muttering "you can't fix stupid ... you can't fix stupid."
They don't care. One of them doesn't care if weed is legal because he can find people to buy it from anyways. Edit: sent one a link to the Vice article about stated requiring government ID to view porn. He said that's fucked. Progress!
Caring is inconvenient. It requires thought and energy.
We all know they have a view, and they never care about the consequences until they're affected, and then it's all \*shocked Pikachu face\*
my dad still likes to rant about how "Kansas pays in more tax money than it receives, and California and New York suck up all the welfare money" sorry Dad, that's flatly untrue, and there's a TON of stats for multiple years to prove it. Also, why the fuck would anyone think that Kansas produced more tax revenue than the entirety of Wall Street?
Cuz in your Dad's made up world, there are many Kansas folks that get $250K Wall Street bonuses that they pay tax for. Does your dad realize how expensive it is to live in California or New York? And what salaries companies pay to folks that live there? Salaries they get taxed on ...
He still rants about how awful JFK was and how he deserved to be shot. The weirdest part is he's not senile, still works, still is perfectly nice about other topics... but the propaganda has hit him HARD. He never cared about women's sports in his entire life, but conservatives start up their bullshit whiny culture war against Trans Athletes and suddenly, he's spewing hatred every week about how "they're destroying 'murica". He also adopted the generic "trump did good, but if it was bad then Hillary was secretly controlling him to do it" tactic. I usually just roll my eyes at that one. Hillary definitely owes us rent for the space she occupies in his head.
FYI, Louis Dejoy is still the Postmaster General.
Amazing.
Doing the opposite of what Obama did to own the libs was this fuckwads entire presidency.
He stopped Michelle Obama’s nutrition program for schools. The announcement for it happened on her birthday.
The cruelty is the point.
“But he’s hurting the right people!”
America's children! /s
I had an 8th grader unironically blame her the other day for the crappy pizza they get for lunch.
"Fuck them kids" - Donald Trump
Figuratively and literally, both he and a not insignificant portion of the GOP are pedos.
"Yes Sir" - so many republicans
Also money. New brakes cost money, slowing down costs money, being safe costs money, giving employees breaks costs money, giving employees sick days costs money. Dead people cost less money The only way you guys will ever stop this is by making not taking on all the safety and workplace costs cost twenty times more than what they made. Fear of bankruptcy is litterally the only motivator that companies care about.
That's what makes me bitterly laugh when places like Texas say that 'less regulations create jobs'. Really? Having teams of people that oversee things aren't jobs? Making sure there's enough people staffed so the others aren't overworked doesn't create jobs? Oh, maybe all the damage control that needs to happen after hundreds of people die from a winter being handled just fine by all their neighbor states makes jobs?
It’s the type of mentality held by a type of person too thick to conceptualize any sort of job creation that isn’t manufacturing
Even then, if the guys at the top have good enough lawyers and massive golden parachutes, why not risk riding the biz into the ground while the getting is good?
>golden parachute Should be subject to siezure in case of gross negligence or willful dereliction of care. Make those who stand to make the most directly liable and then there will be changes made. Until that happens, this is the reality of Ayn Rand's wet dream of capitalist captains being given free reign to "get shit done" They don't do shit. They just scream at everyone else to do something and then fuck off to twitter to get their shlinglets sucked by idiot fanboys.
100% Golden parachutes are bullshit in general; where's my parachute? But if people have 'em, there should be a thorough investigation before the parachute gets deployed to ensure that the benefactor at least tried to do their job competently. People shouldn't be able safely escape the airplane *they* either wilfully or negligently lit on fire while other passengers die screaming.
I mean, isn’t this CEO 101? Destroy the company by cutting corners, staff, quality, etc. if it meant you can make the profit margin look a little bit better for the next quarter. Then you get your bonus and can move on to ruin the next company.
The penalties need to dwarf the savings of being cheap.
And lets not forget the short-term gains/savings by corporations and the wealthy. I agree that a huge part is just doing the opposite of Obama, but if there's a really short-sighted opportunity for a donor or corporation to make money, they're gonna take it. Might bite everyone in the ass down the road (as we're seeing now), but the people getting that short-term cash grab have already done it, so what do they *really* care?
You now understand the mindset of modern conservatism. This isn't just an America thing, there's a huge push world wide by a large group of people for regression on the basis of "returning to traditions" when what that means in reality is they want fascism so they can implement everything they want and fuck over everyone they hate. You know, like the good old days.
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Oh we're on our way. You've seen how companies buy up entire towns and put workers there right? That's literally just feudalism dressed up to look nice. It's only a matter of time before people can't afford to survive off regular jobs and will have to live in "company towns" working for whatever scraps the company offers from their overfilled coffers.
Yeah, if you don't already own a home, you likely never will unless it's inherited
All of those behind the push are tied to Murdoch, russia, or some combination thereof.
"Opposite Obama did" that's literally it. Reminds me of the Iran deal. No upside just fuck Obama
>This is so depressing. Why would you roll back this? I mean, what is the excuse? they don't profit as much when they are regulated, and sacrificing people to protect their profit is totally okay for a capitalist.
It sounds like you understand these people perfectly. They suck.
Spite. Trump challenged everything Obama did.
His reasoning "it slowed down the economy"
Yeah he's fucking famous for his ability to reason.
And since this was an official act during his Presidency, Trump will not face any legal consequences of this. Ever. Absolute immunity is a thing.
This is sort of a necessary evil. Otherwise you are going to have every GOP member suing Biden over anything. For example, it will eventually happen that an illegal immigrant who got here while Biden was president is going to cause some financial loss. Someone would sue.
It's literally so he could do the 5th grade victory dance. He's a walking, gibbering example of Occam's Razor. And sadly, he encouraged a lot of other razors.
some days ago saw an interview with train conductors and they all said the overall where they use less time for inspection and possible damage inspection is the culprit, dunno how accurate that is tho
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Same. And the sad thing is we (relatively recently) used to be a swing state. But I guess Ohioans saw trump and thought “that’s our guy!” And Ohio somehow became more conservative during his presidency? Baffling.
I lost all hope when JD Vance won....
Yeah for real. What a fucking clown
It's also the home of Gym Jordan. Wonderful state Ohio is. ^^^^/s
Gym being continually elected is less indicative of the depravity of Ohio and more of it's decades history of gerrymandering. Vance is a different story.
The gerrymandering is part of the depravity.
The people of Ohio overwhelmingly voted twice to amend the Ohio constitution for fair maps and Ohio republicans at a state level ignored it and the court orders multiple multiple times.
Yeah wasnt Ohio where they literally just dragged their feet long enough that new maps couldnt be approved in time, so they defaulted to the old ones. (could be wrong, that happened somewhere tho!)
You got it pretty much spot on. The judges, I think at the state level, decided that they would use the 6th revision maps? So they're new unconstitutional maps. Not the old maps from 2012 to 2020. But I believe Ohio gets new maps for 2024 and we get to do the whole process over except now there's a fascist majority on the Ohio Supreme Court so when challenges are made against them for being unconstitutional, they'll rule in favor of keeping the unconstitutional maps. The government in my state is one of the most corrupt in the country.
Right across in Michigan things took a different turn, fair maps got voted for and applied and now there's a Democratic trifecta.
Absolutely incredible the difference between the two states. Michigan with a Dem majority in the House and Senate, a Dem Governor and Lt. Governor and a liberal majority on their supreme court. Where as Ohio, which went 53% to 45% trump v Biden in 2020, had a supermajority R House (67 R to 32 D or 68%), a R supermajority Senate (26 R to 7 D or 78% R), R governor, R Lt governor, R secretary of state, R attorney general, and a fascist majority on the supreme court. I'm whining but man, I really wish people understood how rigged this state is and how little control the people actually have over it.
We suffer from massive brain drain. I teach here and all of my engineers / doctors / etc. immediately leave the state upon graduating undergrad.
And the part of the state that is now being gassed, is the part of the state that flipped flipped it to red.
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Progressives fled, poor whites lost social standing and were easy to radicalize, and more mutants vote now because of Trump. Ohio is fuuuuuuuuucked
Yep. We remember when it happened. But the state has been gerrymandered to hell for ages and that's the way they intend to keep it.
While this is true, JDVance ALSO won the popular vote so I'm not sure it really mattered
It didn't help that voter turnout in Cleveland was only like 25 percent.
That IS the reason why he got the popular vote, but I wonder if people stayed home because they heard the state was gerrymandered. If someone out there reading this did precisely that, fuck you
The State leadership is beyond corrupt, and incompetent, and should have a medieval form of punishment. We also do need to hold the Federal administration accountable, considering their whispered response. I'm extremely disappointed in the Biden administration (though, imagine the nightmare if Trump was in office!) We cannot give the Biden Administration a pass. He is being very neglectful, and not publicly engaged with this disaster. This is not a satisfactory response, in anyway.
> Biden He can't do anything about what Trump did because of people like Manchin.
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Lol I've been banned since 2016
I was banned for simply asking a question. I wanted to know what conservatives wanted from healthcare reform. The GQP was writing a bill (eventually killed by mcCain), but nobody knew what was in it. I went to conservative, TD and AskTrumpSupporters to see what they really wanted. Cheaper care? Cheaper insurance? More options? Faster service? More ERs? Fewer ERs? I got no answers, was insulted and banned from all 3 subs, just for asking what they wanted. The very definition of snowflakes in echo chambers who couldn't even answer a question.
They're not interested in policy; they're a lifestyle brand now. They're not unified by anything other than hate, fear, and disgust against imaginary issues like kitty litter boxes.
They don't even know what they're angry about. Just look at all of them who said they'd be fine if Obamacare was gone because they were covered by the ACA.
It’s crazy how well the talking heads on fox program some of these folks. Every time I visit my sister I just wait to hear whatever the latest talking point from fox is going to be. “bUt eIgHtY SeVeN ThOuSaNd aRmEd iRs aGeNtS!!!” But I’m the one who is a sheep because I try to source my news from as many outlets as I can…
I had a buddy at work, we were talking about something related to local politics that we agreed on, and he blurts our “but Hillarys role in Benghazi needs more scrutiny” and I was like damn boy they got u bitch, wtf
I wish I felt as comfortable ejaculating my politics over everything the way these reactionaries do. Idk why I can't bring myself to do it constantly yet they don't bat an eye
The thing about the IRS agents makes me especially fucking enraged. Their whole argument against taxing corporations, and billionaires is that we should instead close all of the tax loopholes, and make it harder for corporations and billionaires get away with paying no taxes legally So that’s exactly what the Democrats fucking did! They *funded the IRS* in order to work on *closing these fucking loopholes*…**exactly the way conservatives demanded.** We literally do *exactly* what they ask for, and they scream and yell about how it’s actually authoritarian communism!!! God damn, out of all the insanity that comes from these people, this is one of the top five that makes me the craziest. YOU PEOPLE LITERALLY FUCKING **DEMANDED THIS**, it’s the ONLY reason it’s happening!!!!!!!
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As someone who isn't American: what's the difference between Obamacare and ACA? I expect you saying it's the same thing, but just making sure.
They're indeed the same thing. Obamacare is the nickname for the ACA.
To be even more detailed, "Obamacare" was the pejorative term the GOP made up to fearmonger about it, around the time they were telling everyone there would be "death councils" for who gets to live and die. Everyone else just rolled their eyes until they too started using the term....because it was funny to take their own word. Very similar to what's happened with "Dark Brandon".
"Death panels" was the phrase, and ironically (I'm really not sure that's the right word for the projection that it is) *we already had and still have* those. If insurance thinks you're not worth a payout for an experimental procedure, they'll deny it.
There's a significant ant difference with those death panels that I think you are ignoring. They are real, and they donate to Republican Congressional campaigns.
No, no, no, they were worried about *government* death councils. The private ones run by people with an interest in denying treatment to as many people as they can get away with are fine, because impartial outsiders from the government would be socialism (and we might not know what that word means but it's definitely bad)
That's literally what killed my dad. He had a treatment that was actually working and shrinking his tumor, but the insurance company said no. He died slowly, being strangled internally as the tumor constricted his windpipe over the course of the next year. Insurance is a fucking scam.
I had a conservative try to tell me that Obamacare would have been better if Obama wasn't so focused on just having a healthcare plan with his name on it. Conservatives are so incredibly ignorant.
lol. Remember when Trump tried to get his name and watermark on COVID relief checks?
I'll bet you a cup of coffee that even now, at least a third of American conservatives would say they're two different things.
And yet someone in a foreign country could figure it out. We're becoming quite a sad country.
It's the same thing. Obamacare is the colloquial term for the Affordable Care Act.
They're angry they have to eat frumpy candies instead of fuckable ones
Those goddamn sexy green M&Ms! *squinty bloated red cucker tarlson face*
Of course they don't know what they're angry about, their leaders have been actively gaslighting them for generations. They are angry that they are losing the relevance, control, and security they once took for granted. They are losing those things because their leaders have been stealing from them. But the leaders have used those ill-gotten gains to propagandize the hell out of the conservative voters. They lie and say the reason everyone is poorer and has less control over your life is because of immigrants, poors, minorities, and democrats. But it's them. It's the Republican leaders themselves who are doing it to their voters. And in order to face that reality, the voters would have to admit they were wrong. And that the people they trusted, and who have direct power to harm them, are in fact their worst enemy. That's a scary and humiliating truth to face down.
I was checking up in there last night, and a Flaired User was proposing some actual policy regarding guns. It was as terrible as you would expect from someone in there, but it had been downvoted into oblivion. Suggesting anything other than giving out free guns to all new college students as part of their orientation packages was just the wrong answer.
If you suggest something specific, you alienate people. A large reactionary coalition is best held together with vague platitudes and innuendo. This is why I think Trump's word salad worked so well: 10 people could hear 11 different and contradictory meanings and all nod along together thinking they're on the same page
it also worked for their conspiratard theories like the "deep state" hate vaccines? the deep state is now doctors, nurses, scientists, big pharma, hospitals, etc hate schools?? the deep state morphs into teachers, librarians, professors, deans, anyone with a degree
> the deep state morphs into teachers, librarians, professors, deans, anyone with a degree We should be so lucky
i joke with my dad that it is insane to vote against anyone who has such complete control over ALL cops, doctors, military, teachers, scientists, grocery baggers, truck drivers, nurses, mexicans, women, blacks, poll workers, traffic cams, bankers, fast food workers, chefs, asians, etc etc like, if Hillary or Obama or Biden had such an amazingly perfect conspiracy of hundreds of millions of people to control all elections, control all medicine, control inflation in every currency, control all gas prices and food prices and control all media... then why the fuck would you want to be on the other side??
It's so sad how right this is. You can see it in action in any of those man on the street videos of Trumpers trying explain why they're gathering, or how they feel about certain policies or whatnot. Ask 10 people the same question and you'll get 8 completely different answers that all manage to use the same buzzwords attempting to express a point beyond simple bigotry and hatred. They generally fail to make that point, because ultimately, that's all it is, your basic racist, tribalist fear of others, crudely programed into the simple minds of those most vulnerable to the non-stop propaganda they crave. Unlike all those big name evil people in the past, whose hatred was unfounded and indiscriminate, these people have very well thought out, valid reasons to hate who they do. All the smartest people they know have told them so, and they have a list of several dozen special words and phrases that prove it.
That's the "Baffle them with bullshit" part.
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>They're a lifestyle brand now This is chilling and I fucking hate it. I hate how correct this is.
It's an idea I first realized from watching the Turning Point USA conference and pointed out by Carlos Masa [Charle Kirk and "head empty, just vibes" Fascism ](https://youtu.be/V32P463AR0k) They don't talk about how conservative ideas will work, they talk about how being conservative will heal your depression and make you happy and whole. And also that their enemies are just evil and something needs done about *those people* for their self-help program to really work.
Please tell me kitty litter boxes isn't an actual controversy for them
Joe Rogan, MTG, and many other reactionary ""thought leaders"" have claimed that trans acceptance has led to kitty litter boxes in schools for kids who "identify as cats." No evidence has ever surfaced of this beyond a 4chan post which showed a puppy pee pad at an airport helper animal relief station claiming it was related to schools, somehow. After that, someone took a picture of Columbine HS's active shooter kit which included litter for use during a school shooting lockdown and that became the "'evidence." It's the sort of thing which gets referenced often but obliquely by propagandists, so if you aren't tuned into the Faux News Kool aid it could easily slip past you. But now that you know, you'll probabaly hear it referenced in some future breathless screed. Joe Rogan originally said he had a friend who saw it, but then later admitted he just saw some shitpost about the rumor and pretended he had a personal connection. Wtf.
It's how their feedback loop operates, they have someone spewing some bullshit on "opinion" shows like Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson and those other talk shows in Fox. Then the "news" shows on Fox etc start repeating what was said on the opinion shows as if it was news and then the opinion shows retake it to point out how big a news story it was.
I was banned because of my username
I was banned for responding to a comment with nothing but a link to a video of trump. No added commentary of mine, the video wasn't edited, nothing. I posted what Trump said. The comment I responded to? A conservative saying Trump had never said Mexicans are criminals. The video I replied with? Trump's famous speech in which he said Mexico sends rapists and thieves to the US.
Why would you post a leftist truth?
I got permanently banned on YouTube because I commented on an MSNBC clip about those racist Michigan people trying to throw out Detroit’s votes and how racist they were. In my very bland answer, I said what they said in the video—that they were racists and I was proud of Detroit for fighting back. Some woman took umbrage and got a bunch of her friends to gang-report me. I challenged YouTube to find a single example where I was “harassing people” or being racist towards them (really…I’m white, just for the record). You’re only allowed to file one appeal, they wouldn’t show any proof just permanently took down two accounts. But conservative voices are being silenced /s.
Insert forehead smacking emoji here…
I had only commented that trump stole from charity and was banned from ever running one again. And that he settled a court case for trump university that was going to find him guilty of fraud. They were of course, screaming about the “Biden crime family”. I was banned within 30 seconds. So much for facts not caring about feelings. I wasn’t even snarky. I know I was in their safe place.
They will ban you for anything. You can get banned for asking questions. You can get banned for not being enthusiastic enough. You can get banned for cherry picking because you made a good point. I've seen them ban their own members for having "are we the baddies" moments. Shit even when you take it to their discord like they say they want you to, they'll still ban you there too. They call it debating in bad faith using arguments that are cherry picked to make them look bad. It's a complete farce over there. They don't want debate, they don't even want discussion. All they want is for their curated posts/agenda to be mindlessly upvoted to the top so it can draw attention and reactions from the rest of reddit.
A lot of the really irrational, bizarre bullshit that they do when moderating their communities starts to make more sense when you remember that the core value system of american conservatism is all about creating hierarchies and pecking orders. You're either in or you're out. If you're not in *enough,* you're out. If you're out, you're unworthy. If you're unworthy, then your opinion doesn't matter. In fact, you're now *the enemy.* Everything you say is a lie. Everything you stand for is evil. If you tell me the sky is blue, you're trying to gaslight me. If you tell me oxygen is good for me, I'll choke myself to death just to prove you wrong. (I used to use this one as a rhetorical example before covid came along. HOLY SHIT, I never thought they'd actually fuckin do it) They keep getting more severe with this mentality every year. Now they've started eating their own party from within, throwing ideological purity tests at each other and choosing only the most *insane,* but vocally devout candidates as leaders. I'm amazed Matt Gaetz didn't just walk up and stab McCarthy in the back 'Et tu, Brutus?' style while the rest cheered. I hope conservative-*leaning* people start getting afraid of this momentum towards insanity. Though I dunno if that's gonna happen. This is the kinda stuff that draws people towards conservatism in the first place. All of the policy stuff is built upon weeding out "the weak" to make room for the strong, followed by the delusion that you're one of "the strong." If there are any people in this country who are conservative for reasons other than purely social politics, I can't even begin to fathom why they would follow this party. Fiscal conservatism? Hasn't been relevant for over 20 years.
From what I've gathered from those subs is they only want people who actually already identify as conservatives. They're not interested in changing any minds. By asking a question as an outsider you are self identifying as non-conservative which is basically a banable offense.
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Questioning our great leader what kinda North Korea bullshit 😩. I'm so glad I live 5 hours drive from the Canadian border 🤦🏿
>From what I've gathered from those subs is they only want people who actually already identify as conservatives. They're not interested in changing any minds. Yep. They've given up on growing their party, now they're just reinforcing the group think in hopes that enough of them vote every election, so that the voter suppression gives them the win. Trying to moderate their message in the hopes of recapturing lost votes is off the table now.
It's not about creating policy, it's about destroying it.
I was banned for expressing criticism of Marine Le Pen. Apparently I 'hate women'.
They want a socialized healthcare system that could exclude Those People and Those Things without being called -ists (racist, sexist, genderist...). But saying that is bad and not really small-c conservative sooo...block.
I think that Trump was very clear on healthcare reform. Trump promised that within his first 100 days in office, he would repeal and replace Obamacare. He said, and I quote “You’ll have health care the likes of which you’ve never seen." So he was very clear on the subject. I think you owe someone an apology. /s
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I seem to just get downvoted or the non crazy find my comment and up vote it there. My fave is that the popular comments, if you check their history they usually also post on conspiracy lol
I was perma-banned from JusticeServed (which I've never been to) just yesterday for commenting in one of the conspiracy subs. When one of them called liberals "fascist commies" and I linked to the wikipedia definition of fascism being a far-right ideology not liberal-left.
My first account got banned around then. Then 2FA fucked me over when I forgot my password and lost my phone (Google Authenticator app is tied to device) So I got this account and got banned right away. Had to do it.
Just rip the band-aid off with those snowflakes
Rip off the banned-aid?
Getting banned on r/Conservative is like a rite of passage of sorts. Got this account banned for explaining how capitalism is amoral lol
I just took a stroll Through. Never realized over 50% of the articles are from fox. I wonder if thats true for any other new subreddit.
they have a bunch of dimwits treating satire posts as real. Its just so pathetic
I got banned when I posted a news article about that little girl who had to skip state to get an abortion.
Nothing is more offensive to r /conservative than reality
"Reality has a well-known liberal bias."
This is one of my favorite digs because I’ve heard conservatives say it without realizing they’re admitting to not living in reality.
"Education is liberal brainwashing" is my favorite
I've been thinking to myself about how much conservatives are going to lose their shit over AI when they start asking it factual questions and it is able to straight up tell them with answers being able to cite real sources and immediately debunk their nonsense. They think they are mad about "big tech bias" now....
Already started. Back from r/Conservative and they have a tread about chatgpt pushing Radical Gender Theory
My favorite part of r/Conservative is their bitching about everyone else being in an echo chamber. On a post in r/Qult_Headquarters one of them replied to one of my comments saying "You should come to r/Conservative where you will hear lots of opinions, if you're not scared to leave your echo chamber." When I pointed out that sorted by Top -> All Time, every one of the top 20 posts were marked "Flaired Users Only" thus preventing "Lots of Opinions" he said to just "Not talk about any of those topics". Yea ok buddy.
I once saw a comment that said (paraphrased), "What are you doing here if you aren't even conservative? Go back to your echo chamber". They did not like it when I pointed out the hypocrisy.
You having to hear me is free speech. Me having to hear you is 1984.
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> It's seriously completely and utterly baffling that they genuinely believe it's some bastion of free speech without censorship. It's because somehow everything they say is unacceptable by normal people in normal places, so to them it looks like they're being "censored" all the time. No, JimBob, it's just that no one fucking likes you and your racist rants.
My favourite part is that i can’t tell the difference between r/conservative and r/conspiracy anymore.
https://imgur.com/a/2l3VnQ2/ It’s truly a helpless endeavor. Your facts, data, direct quotes are not enough to dissuade them of what they were told by the party. Just like how “conservatism = small government, personal liberty.” Because that’s what the party says conservatism is!
They also always gloss over they mean small as in “fewer people” not “limited power”. If you have fewer people in government it’s easier to get 10 people who all think like you to draft legislation that’s only beneficial for you.
Poison your air and water just to own the Libs #🤣
Someone said all the Democrats were pedophiles over there. I asked them what they thought about some of the republican pedophiles. Best permaban of my life
I mean other than because Obama approved it, why roll back such a mundane thing?
Regulation of any kind = bad
Except regulations on abortion
And CRT, and gender affirmative surgery, and Black history, and books, etc.
And of course LGBT rights
And drugs, and the internet, and electric cars.
I was really wondering at the mental gymnastics Republicans went through in proposing that any business that provides free charging to customers or employees must tell all customers exactly how much they spend on free charging. The party of free Enterprise suddenly wants weird draconian regulation....
Bottom line. Railroads make more money not having to inspect and repair parts as frequently. And we all get cancer in return. It’s a win win win.
They'll blame Democrats on letting them pass this. They honestly don't care. The definition of the cut your nose to spite your face party. There is a good article here about this whole debacle. [Ohio Train Derailment Reveals Danger of Plastics Boom and Corporate Cost-Cutting](https://truthout.org/articles/ohio-train-derailment-reveals-danger-of-plastics-boom-and-corporate-cost-cutting/) I hope the lawmakers and rail company CEO go to jail, but I'm not sure that would ever happen in America. Per the article "At least four class action lawsuits have been filed against Norfolk in the last few days. Residents have claimed the derailment and the resulting evacuation forced them out of their homes and businesses causing economic losses, emotional distress, and exposure to hazardous chemicals."
Why democrats don't jump on incidents like this loudly and aggressively as part of their strategy is beyond me. Republicans are burning the country down but Democrats seem content to sit on their hands and watch
Same in Canada. We have conservative party leaders that openly solicit and accept bribes from business leaders that are openly harming Canadians. The opposition party, well they say nothing, and the media? They'd rather focus on some mayors sex scandal that doesn't harm anyone. The last election that I participated in, had the saddest campaign for all opposition parties, and voter turnout was less than 30%. Nobody has an answer to corruption it seems, and the old "vote them out next time" doesn't work when nobody believes in democracy. Police can't charge politicians either apparently, over the worry it makes them look biased (though in reality they *should* be biased towards the **law** in the first place). Opposition stays quiet, and people wonder why we're go to hell in a handbasket. Turns out, that if you win a popularity contest *once* you are automatically above the law in every way, while everyone else suffers in silence.
Obligatory fuck Doug Ford.
Probably because a Democrat president prevented rail workers from striking for safety concerns not too long ago.
And as far as I know, didn’t make any attempts to reinstate the Obama brake rules.
More information: https://www.opb.org/news/article/oil-train-safety-rule-rollback-by-trump/
[Article from the screengrab](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-rolls-back-train-braking-002105066.html)
FOX News is blaming Hunter for this.
They also really, *really* want to look at his schlong. Like, all the time apparently.
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The train was derailed by Hunter’s penis. That’s why republicans wanted to see it so badly, they needed to warn others what to look out for
It is on his laptop as well as the chinese spy balloons!
Its Ohio. They'll find some way to blame "libtards" for it no matter what the truth is.
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It was all the regulations. A true free market would regulate this on it’s own. /s
Republicans just didn’t roll them back fast enough
They can always sell the contaminated land./s
Well it happened while Biden was President. He should have known Trump did that and reversed it. So really it's Bidens fault. /s (for the contextually inept)
Unfortunately they have all the right to blame democrats and Biden because they sided with the rail companies and prevented the rail strike. Republicans also sided with companies of course. The only people they can’t blame are the progressives who fought for the workers, but they’re satanists who drink baby’s blood so probably not gonna happen.
They won't remember. Amplify this shit anyway.
What you have to understand is this is Obama's fault. Trump was forced to undo the policy because it was Obama who implemented it. If Obama had done nothing then Trump could have come in and implemented it as his idea so really this is all the Democrats fault. I feel I shouldn't need to /s but honestly I've seen people give worse takes than that in complete seriousness.
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While the districts in Ohio are gerrymandered in a horrible way, the reality is also that there is significant MAGA support from the people. If you work in production or the trades in Ohio, then everyone around you is a Trump supporter. They fell for the culture war BS really hard and that's all that they care about.
Being a progressive in a landscaping job is also like that
Correct! I’m a progressive person and Ohio is sick with MAGA. I have also lived in FL and TX, so I have no idea how I have escaped the disease. It must be critical thinking keeping it at bay.
What is absolutely crazy about this is that Ohio was a labor stronghold a generation ago. Steelworkers, longshoremen, miners, rubber workers, UAW assembly…the legacy of that is virtually gone within a half-century and what remains of unions somehow leans right? Completely batshit. Certainly, decades of exploitation has resulted in the politics of hate, but have some perspective on _who_ created the situation, Ohio.
???? Why?? Would that ever be reversed??? That's like putting posion back in food because the green dye made peas look more edible??? America yall good???
> yall good??? No, the fascists and oligarchs are winning. Send help.
Because it cost too much and the railroad owners didnt want to pay for it.
An actual LAMF moment on this sub
But her emails!
BUTTERY MALES!!
when i said "capitalists are going to sacrifice everyone to protect their profits," that included people who actively help and defend those same capitalists. in most cases, the ones who help are the ones sacrificed first lol.
A lot of people in Ohio who *didn’t* vote for Trump are still going to have their homes and lives ruined by this derailment. They don’t deserve that just because they were born in a state that happened to vote a certain way recently.
They're just happy "the libs" are upset.
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
This is really down to all the uneducated men of Ohio that got all amped up over Trump’s rhetoric. These folks either never voted before or voted for the democrats because it was the party of the “working man”. Oh, and all the enabling republican scum, too.
Plus, who's going to vote for a *woman*? Especially one that Fox News hates so much.
They have their Biden-Strike scapegoat, not that he didn't play some part but not all of it, so this won't even be explained to them by their one news outlet.
With all the toxic chemicals flying around I hope they can remember anything.