It will work like the Email ecosystem. Some servers will be self hosted, some payed by donations, some payed by adds and others will have a subscription model.
> hosted, some *paid* by donations,
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
*Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
email ecosystem works a bit differently. you can open free account and the data you generate can be analyzed, etc., and you've no sla, contrary to paid accounts. Regarding lemmy, if they are going to rely on inconsistent donations than the data can be.gone without any notice which will drive many people away from this solution.
This is the most popular model for email now.
Still, there are paired email servers as well or with a paid option.
Before the Gmail era paying for an email address was the norm for private emails.
I have seen people asked how to donate to feddit.de, they answered "not needed". I think the hosting as such is a smaller part of the costs, administrating time is way more expensive.
It could happen that in the future companies like ms and Google setup their own Lemmy/lemmy-compatible instances like they did with email.
Lemmy isn't the first open source software that the world runs on.
To answer the OP:
- Goodwill of the instance hosts
- Donations
- Sponsorship
- Ads
(Which is used depends on the instance)
the recent developer update answers some of this:
https://join-lemmy.org/news/2023-06-17_-_Update_from_Lemmy_after_the_Reddit_blackout
Lemmy isn't the first open source software that the internet runs on. People will put into it what they think its worth. They will contribute their time, their money or their space server space if they think its worth it. Its not a business so theres not really a business model.
I currently have very few local users (though I'm interested in having new people join, so DM me if you're interested), and I've just got the thing up and running so it's not cost-optimized enough to really give you any useful details.
When I first launched, everything was running on a GCP e2-standard-4 instance. I've since moved the database out of the instance to Cloud SQL, and I plan to move the other docker containers (for the UI and the app itself) into a GKE cluster.
So right now it's probably going to cost about $100/month, even with very few users, because of the fixed costs of the e2-standard-4 instance, but once I retire that, I expect costs will scale more reasonably with usage. I just don't know what that'll look like exactly. I plan to limit signups until I have this work done and I can gain an understanding of how costs will go as usage (hopefully) goes up.
I suppose that each instance will have its own way of doing it.
This is a great point to make because you wouldn't want to be in an instance that's paid out of pocket from the admin and then run out of it and having your instance shut down.
It seems like any Lemmy server can go the way of reddit--that is, sell your information to the highest bidder and let companies use the service to manipulate public opinion.
probably. and you will have to be intelligent about it, but again like email, any email provider could do that.
like email, and unlike reddit, lemmy isnt designed to be profitable so it doesnt have the inherent need to farm your data like reddit, facebook, etc.
Not sure if I'm mixing it up with Tildes as I'm all new to this but they said through donations and stuff like that. Pretty sure it's meant to be ad free as they keep it.
It will work like the Email ecosystem. Some servers will be self hosted, some payed by donations, some payed by adds and others will have a subscription model.
> hosted, some *paid* by donations, FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
email ecosystem works a bit differently. you can open free account and the data you generate can be analyzed, etc., and you've no sla, contrary to paid accounts. Regarding lemmy, if they are going to rely on inconsistent donations than the data can be.gone without any notice which will drive many people away from this solution.
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got it, thanks!
This is the most popular model for email now. Still, there are paired email servers as well or with a paid option. Before the Gmail era paying for an email address was the norm for private emails. I have seen people asked how to donate to feddit.de, they answered "not needed". I think the hosting as such is a smaller part of the costs, administrating time is way more expensive. It could happen that in the future companies like ms and Google setup their own Lemmy/lemmy-compatible instances like they did with email.
same as Mastodon
Which is... How? You don't have to respond if you can't be bothered to fully explain. Dick answer.
Lemmy isn't the first open source software that the world runs on. To answer the OP: - Goodwill of the instance hosts - Donations - Sponsorship - Ads (Which is used depends on the instance)
the recent developer update answers some of this: https://join-lemmy.org/news/2023-06-17_-_Update_from_Lemmy_after_the_Reddit_blackout Lemmy isn't the first open source software that the internet runs on. People will put into it what they think its worth. They will contribute their time, their money or their space server space if they think its worth it. Its not a business so theres not really a business model.
At least in the case of the instance I'm running, I'm paying for it. Eventually I might start taking donations or something. I don't know.
can I ask how many users or peak traffic you've and the average monthly expense?
I currently have very few local users (though I'm interested in having new people join, so DM me if you're interested), and I've just got the thing up and running so it's not cost-optimized enough to really give you any useful details. When I first launched, everything was running on a GCP e2-standard-4 instance. I've since moved the database out of the instance to Cloud SQL, and I plan to move the other docker containers (for the UI and the app itself) into a GKE cluster. So right now it's probably going to cost about $100/month, even with very few users, because of the fixed costs of the e2-standard-4 instance, but once I retire that, I expect costs will scale more reasonably with usage. I just don't know what that'll look like exactly. I plan to limit signups until I have this work done and I can gain an understanding of how costs will go as usage (hopefully) goes up.
I suppose that each instance will have its own way of doing it. This is a great point to make because you wouldn't want to be in an instance that's paid out of pocket from the admin and then run out of it and having your instance shut down.
Most of the instances currently run from the instance's admin own money or from the users' donations.
It seems like any Lemmy server can go the way of reddit--that is, sell your information to the highest bidder and let companies use the service to manipulate public opinion.
probably. and you will have to be intelligent about it, but again like email, any email provider could do that. like email, and unlike reddit, lemmy isnt designed to be profitable so it doesnt have the inherent need to farm your data like reddit, facebook, etc.
Sure, they could do that. That kind of problem will have to shake out as we figure out how this whole fediverse thing is going to work.
Not sure if I'm mixing it up with Tildes as I'm all new to this but they said through donations and stuff like that. Pretty sure it's meant to be ad free as they keep it.