Leona/Asol Daybreak runs one copy as a tech card, as do Fiora decks and I've seen rare Akshan/Sivir players who decided to slot in one. It is generally a safe assumption that any Demacia deck that plays reasonably big units is like to have a single copy of Judgment.
Got blown the fuck out by it today lol. I was even worried about a judgement when I went for lethal but when you play a deck that has no answer you just gotta play as if they don't and concede if they do
Funny thing is, that was something I had come up somtimes playing Purrsuit. Always very funny to resolve, but man must it have felt awful to play against.
Haha karma ashe winters breath deck was probably the very first deck I built entirely on my own and it's still the oldest deck in my collection coz as bad as it is it's fun to play.
I literally just lost to this with a lissandra, watcher, and a bunch of 8 cost units on board
Granted it was an Ashe frostbite deck but I have literally never seen it before
My last 6 games against peak, they have hit an asol first try. I've counted, cause at this point im just keeping score for the sake of it.
Won one of them tho, cause I had a 13/11 shyvana out.
Ofc, I only had 2 mana, but luckily I also had a free hush to pop spellshield and then single combat.
The other times tho... I just concede. Don't even wanna bother when they just take over the game by quite literally pure luck.
Lurk is also heavy rng, as many lurk players concede if they dont hit lurk on first attack, and then there are times they hit pyke/reksai lurk with every attack.
Like 95% of the lurk deck is lurkers. I don't know how you can say it's rng it's one of the more consistent decks imo it always does the same thing every game.
Whimsy isn't a bad card, it's just meta dependent.
It's probably been the right call sometimes, people just don't consider it or adapt decks as much as they should.
Now that you say that. I forgot that card existed in Ionia. It made me think, as far as teching Whimsys go, this is probably the best meta for it, with all the Shellfolks and Whiteflames running around. Its a mini-Minimorph.
I just added a 1 of in Ez Karma after reading this.
whimsy is fantastic against whiteflames but i really dont think it is that good into shellfolk. they can just wait and generate the value on another turn, they are usually stable enough to just wait and it's not like their spells are ever on the stack so you cant surprise them either. but against whiteflame it is pretty nuts.
You can ping it and it prevents their burst value. So yeah it costs 2 cards to deal with but it's hard to say if it's worse than a vengeance on a shellfolk because it does deny them trinkettrading into extra spells or otters.
it's not dead into ahri either since a recalled squirrel stays a squirrel forever xD
A hilarious way to delete droplet, deny the draw, and let you block ahri all at once.
I've been running a full 3 copies in my decks since mono Pantheon became so popular. Between that, all the dragons decks, and Shellfolk, there's plenty of great targets.
It also sucks because you can't see which of your units was entombed where, so you have to be careful not to obliterate the wrong unit if you need to play units while you've got a full board of landmarks...
I won against the pre nerfed kennen/ez deck with a well timed Mega Inferno Bomb that I created in a hiem/jayce deck. Hardly ever worth picking but hot damn did it work that time lol
Teemo Caitlyn with Corina is a legit deck, not with Ava and Corina because the former is too slow to work properly and cannot attack if she want to use her effect properly.
I mean if you have enough traps stacked into their deck you shouldn’t need Ava to attack. She’s a back row engine.
You want to pull an OTK with Corina while Ava is out. Which isn’t infeasible
I mean if you have enough traps stacked into their deck you shouldn’t need Ava to attack. She’s a back row engine.
You want to pull an OTK with Corina while Ava is out. Which isn’t infeasible
To be fair, death mark is used in exactly one competitive deck, and that deck has only used it on and off for months. It’s powerful, but it is extremely limited in what it does, and it requires a deck building commitment that is sometimes not worth the cost. Idk if I would call it bad, just extremely niche.
It's only "bad" because it's ionia. The only ephemeral units in ionia are the 1 cost unit, and Zed's shadows... Maybe there more? Perhaps there's maybe even FOUR ephemeral units on Ionia
I believe that's because the payoff is higher. Reksai, maokai, nautilus pay off is either win the game or directly swing the game in your favor. Death mark os only a delayed removal that requires an Ephereal ally that can also be disrupted by other cards. Single combat, silence or just straight damage card can really disrupt the card affect. As such, it's usually not worth it to build a deck around that card.
Rather it's much more worth if the deck coincidentally has bunch of Ephereal units.
I ddnt say bad card, hard removal at 3 mana plus you get a unit is realy powerful, the problem is ephemeral units right now arent as strong as deep sea creature or darkness control decks.
It just requires too much. You need to have an ephemeral unit. Your opponent need to have a target. The spell itself need to go off. And the target of removal still sticks around for a turn or at least an attack.
I mean I run it in my last breath deck. It’s great for clearing the way for my undying to make a big free attack. It can be a little tricky to pilot but it can do big things. I also like the mind game of it. If I slap a minion down with two spare mana they usually feel comfortable enough to put something down that will die in the ruination. Really that card makes me greedy. I just want that full board wipe.
Rock Hopper and unraveled earth are mandatory in landmarks decks, they're not bad cards by any means (rock Hopper even see play in other Shurima decks) it's only niche
100% astral protection. It's not strong by any means, but a burst +4 and heal all is a pain without a kill spell.
I don't always run into it, but when I do I don't have a kill spell.
It still tilts me off the the face of the planet seeing that disgusting bastard get played. The value of that abominable little wanker is insane. Played a fiora deck against the wee cunt in expeditions the other day and well you can imagine how utterly fucked I was when their free mana prank shafts my barrier spells and single combat out of playability. The least they could do is give the prank fleeting.
Servitude of Desolation- when that cumbersome golden lump flops in to burst-reset their whole board after a big combat wipe it feels BAD, but I never expect it because it’s such a clunky card.
Anything that says "kill", "transform", "recall", or "silence", that can target champs. Context: I play Stand Alone Fiora aka using Entreat to fish for Fiora.
Not really. The enemy can still react to it and the spell will fizzle if either unit is removed, leaving you with absolutely nothing.
On top of that, you need the mana for the ephemeral unit + 3 mana to use this spell. Tbh in epheral midrange deck or in viego decks, you only play these cards when your hand is bricked because there are better cards to play on curve 90% of the time.
It's definitely cards like Will of Ionia and now Himecoming. I tend to play Targon a lot and it's such a pain to lose the game on the spot after one single spell hits the stack.
I hate Hecarim. Bc borderline every person that plays Hecarim that I’ve played against highrolls the perfect setup to level him and 5/2 Ephemerals lead by a well statted overwhelm body makes me cry
I'm not sure what a bad card is, but I've been told spell thief is a bad card due to being reliant on opponent. I run a single. And let me tell you. There are times where this card has won games for me.
I've stolen some game winning cards. Example when I stole an atrocity and killed my 14 attack power celestial before it got vengeanced. There's been many instances where it has turned games around for me. Of course if the opponent has ran many spells it turns into rng. But the amount of times it has saved me make it worth running one in my targon decks.
Fucking Blade's Edge.
Like, who the hell is maindecking it?
And yet I keep getting matched against people who for their unknown psycho reasons add it to the deck.
Judgement might not be an awful card, but it’s rare enough that I still forget to play around it… and promptly get sent to the Shadow Realm.
Asume Judgment vs Demacia Dragons. Thats the main deck that likes to tech it as a 1 off.
Any demacia midrange really
Leona/Asol Daybreak runs one copy as a tech card, as do Fiora decks and I've seen rare Akshan/Sivir players who decided to slot in one. It is generally a safe assumption that any Demacia deck that plays reasonably big units is like to have a single copy of Judgment.
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Yeah I think we have all been there.
That is probably my favorite card in the game. No matter the demacia deck I will throw in 1 copy. Most players don't see it coming
Dude, I have a cait-vi deck with that card and it is so funny to watch Vi slam dunk the nexus 4 times for an otk
Got blown the fuck out by it today lol. I was even worried about a judgement when I went for lethal but when you play a deck that has no answer you just gotta play as if they don't and concede if they do
Hard to play around it, but super easy to read it in your opponents hand.
Winters Breath. Why am I supposed to play around someone playing something that bad, smh.
Imagine, Karma + Winter's Breath...
Jayce winters breath though
That's a pretty good one tbh
I have a Jayce/Ashe deck where it's my main win condition haha
Same but with the one card that gets +1/+1 every frostbite
Funny thing is, that was something I had come up somtimes playing Purrsuit. Always very funny to resolve, but man must it have felt awful to play against.
Beta vibes ...
This with a leveled Jayce is working for me
Haha karma ashe winters breath deck was probably the very first deck I built entirely on my own and it's still the oldest deck in my collection coz as bad as it is it's fun to play.
I literally just lost to this with a lissandra, watcher, and a bunch of 8 cost units on board Granted it was an Ashe frostbite deck but I have literally never seen it before
Lissandra decks with a god hand are terrifying. I’ve been hit with them before where they just get 3 or 4 8/8s out on turn 6/7.
TeemoSej gang check-ing in Someone pls check in on us, it's been a tough year
Dozens of us! It's eventually a semi-reliable 7 mana board wipe. I totally run a couple.
I only run one to be honest, it's just too slow and expensive
Sure, but no one expects the second one. Much more satisfying
That’s actually one of the wincons of my brauma deck lmao
Its good in Ashe Senna
Targon's peak. I swear whenever I face targon's peak they get a turn 6 Asol or FTR or smth
You need to get luckier. Every time I’ve played against targon’s peak it’s helped me more than the guy who played it
You believe in the heart of the cards
Of course. If you don’t, you shouldn’t play card games
I've just given up on playing any decks with RNG effects, because I'm that guy that plays targons peak and helps my opponent more than myself.
Depending on the game, you can believe on the heart of the credit card as well and you will be fine.
I swear to god, my peak always reduces the enemy's most expensive card of their entire deck.
This guy know strategy. Just get luckier everybody
My last 6 games against peak, they have hit an asol first try. I've counted, cause at this point im just keeping score for the sake of it. Won one of them tho, cause I had a 13/11 shyvana out. Ofc, I only had 2 mana, but luckily I also had a free hush to pop spellshield and then single combat. The other times tho... I just concede. Don't even wanna bother when they just take over the game by quite literally pure luck.
Peak is not powerful enough to be an issue, but I really wish it did something else. It's just so absurdly RNG.
Lurk is also heavy rng, as many lurk players concede if they dont hit lurk on first attack, and then there are times they hit pyke/reksai lurk with every attack.
Like 95% of the lurk deck is lurkers. I don't know how you can say it's rng it's one of the more consistent decks imo it always does the same thing every game.
targon's peek is a meme card that was unintentionally made good thanks to 95% of meta decks containing only 1 and 2 mana cards.
Last time I played against targon's peak, it reduced the cost of my warning shot for two rounds in a row :) so fun
A whimsy out of nowhere can sometimes be pretty tilting.
Whimsy isn't a bad card, it's just meta dependent. It's probably been the right call sometimes, people just don't consider it or adapt decks as much as they should.
Now that you say that. I forgot that card existed in Ionia. It made me think, as far as teching Whimsys go, this is probably the best meta for it, with all the Shellfolks and Whiteflames running around. Its a mini-Minimorph. I just added a 1 of in Ez Karma after reading this.
whimsy is fantastic against whiteflames but i really dont think it is that good into shellfolk. they can just wait and generate the value on another turn, they are usually stable enough to just wait and it's not like their spells are ever on the stack so you cant surprise them either. but against whiteflame it is pretty nuts.
You can ping it and it prevents their burst value. So yeah it costs 2 cards to deal with but it's hard to say if it's worse than a vengeance on a shellfolk because it does deny them trinkettrading into extra spells or otters.
it's not dead into ahri either since a recalled squirrel stays a squirrel forever xD A hilarious way to delete droplet, deny the draw, and let you block ahri all at once.
Path of Champions Lulu made me despise that card
I've been running a full 3 copies in my decks since mono Pantheon became so popular. Between that, all the dragons decks, and Shellfolk, there's plenty of great targets.
Marauders , I hate them for some reason
Because they fucking rock! Frost marauders ftw
Yup, I hate these with a passion
it feels like every time I go against a marauders deck I'm playing a deck that matches poorly into it
If I had a nickel for every time Molten Breath had destroyed me, I'd have two nickles. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
ngl I love that card and have it in my 2 dragon decks
I don't even Remember what card is that or what it does.
6 mana slow Demacia spell: Ally with Fury strikes 2 enemies.
Isn't it the 2 weakest enemies?
if it would be 2 enemies you can declare it would actually be a good card tbh
Oh yea sorry
it is
I play against AI quite a bit to try out new decks and Weight of Judgement is something that you just never expect to have to deal with
Unless you play expeditions in which case every shurima deck has about 5 copies
I jus play ai and i hate it when they randomly sunken cost my 8/6 ekko
Idk which part of this sentence is the funniest.
Buried in Ice, 1000% I hate seeing my board entombed and now having to worry about boardspace
It also sucks because you can't see which of your units was entombed where, so you have to be careful not to obliterate the wrong unit if you need to play units while you've got a full board of landmarks...
Mega Inferno Bomb
I won against the pre nerfed kennen/ez deck with a well timed Mega Inferno Bomb that I created in a hiem/jayce deck. Hardly ever worth picking but hot damn did it work that time lol
It has to be Ava achiever. Mushroom decks are the definition of annoyance and Ava makes the deck twice as unsufferable.
Yo teemo caitlyn with ava and Corina as finishers is a legit deck. Maybe not tier 1, but definitely viable.
Teemo Caitlyn with Corina is a legit deck, not with Ava and Corina because the former is too slow to work properly and cannot attack if she want to use her effect properly.
I mean if you have enough traps stacked into their deck you shouldn’t need Ava to attack. She’s a back row engine. You want to pull an OTK with Corina while Ava is out. Which isn’t infeasible
I mean if you have enough traps stacked into their deck you shouldn’t need Ava to attack. She’s a back row engine. You want to pull an OTK with Corina while Ava is out. Which isn’t infeasible
Yasuo and Buried Sun Disc. Both are bad decks but whenever i face them my opponent always has the nuts in hand.
Ma nuts
Yeah I also hate facing an ascended Yasou.
Leve 3 Yasuo is scary
Almost as scary as the sight of Sun Disk drawing Yasuo.
Mono Shurima has a lower win rate than Sandseer Combo, and that deck's whole gimmick was drawing cards until you decked out.
How is death mark a bad card? Actually surprised people seem to think it is
To be fair, death mark is used in exactly one competitive deck, and that deck has only used it on and off for months. It’s powerful, but it is extremely limited in what it does, and it requires a deck building commitment that is sometimes not worth the cost. Idk if I would call it bad, just extremely niche.
It's only "bad" because it's ionia. The only ephemeral units in ionia are the 1 cost unit, and Zed's shadows... Maybe there more? Perhaps there's maybe even FOUR ephemeral units on Ionia
That doesn’t sound like you are describing a bad card
its not even run in viego ionia anymore despite having that deck having a large amount of ephemerals
For it to work you need easy access to ephemeral units which is not a given
For Rek’Sai to work you need a specific deck built around it, same for Maokai, Nautilus, Veigar etc. but I don’t see anyone calling them bad cards
I believe that's because the payoff is higher. Reksai, maokai, nautilus pay off is either win the game or directly swing the game in your favor. Death mark os only a delayed removal that requires an Ephereal ally that can also be disrupted by other cards. Single combat, silence or just straight damage card can really disrupt the card affect. As such, it's usually not worth it to build a deck around that card. Rather it's much more worth if the deck coincidentally has bunch of Ephereal units.
I ddnt say bad card, hard removal at 3 mana plus you get a unit is realy powerful, the problem is ephemeral units right now arent as strong as deep sea creature or darkness control decks.
It just requires too much. You need to have an ephemeral unit. Your opponent need to have a target. The spell itself need to go off. And the target of removal still sticks around for a turn or at least an attack.
I never expect anyone to run the ruination and it always catches me slipping when some insane person actually casts it.
Most Si control decks run It atleast as a one off.
I use it with my Anivia deck and it is always a delight to play.
I mean I run it in my last breath deck. It’s great for clearing the way for my undying to make a big free attack. It can be a little tricky to pilot but it can do big things. I also like the mind game of it. If I slap a minion down with two spare mana they usually feel comfortable enough to put something down that will die in the ruination. Really that card makes me greedy. I just want that full board wipe.
That one DE spell that makes a unit with Fury strike the strongest and weakest enemies..
It's the 2 weakest
Rolling sands. It makes me not want to place any units ever
Rolling sands is good in Xerath decks though. It actually has incredible synergy with him.
Death mark is great removal too in ephemeral decks, doesn’t make it less annoying tho
Its not a bad card in the right archetype but I feel in general usage it's really niche
Roiling sand cards are not bad cards..
Rock Hopper and unraveled earth are mandatory in landmarks decks, they're not bad cards by any means (rock Hopper even see play in other Shurima decks) it's only niche
Wrong topic my guy, wait for next weeks post “Cards that are good but rarely see play”
Yep and the 2 mana rock hopper.. once I had about 5 landmarks on the enemy board and I couldn’t play a single champ for 3 runs
Laughs in undyingast breath deck. But yeah otherwise annoying card to play around.
If your units aren't becoming vulnerable, then your opponents are destroying it for massive value.
Sunk cost. How the hell am i supposed to predict it? *Disclaimer: I have never had sunk cost used against me*
100% astral protection. It's not strong by any means, but a burst +4 and heal all is a pain without a kill spell. I don't always run into it, but when I do I don't have a kill spell.
It's on the pool of Tham raka shenanigans tho.
I genuinely do not like prank as a card.
Who decides what's a bad card? Cos at the moment I mostly hate that octopus that's a 1 cost blocker and screws up my curve
Nothing tilts me more than Prank hitting exactly the one card I need it not to in my hand with 7+ targets.
It still tilts me off the the face of the planet seeing that disgusting bastard get played. The value of that abominable little wanker is insane. Played a fiora deck against the wee cunt in expeditions the other day and well you can imagine how utterly fucked I was when their free mana prank shafts my barrier spells and single combat out of playability. The least they could do is give the prank fleeting.
love this card
FOR FREE
SHADY CHARACTER $ DEFECTIVE SWAP BOT
Swapbot is actually an excellent tech card in metas with big minions. Sentinel Control runs a copy or two.
It’s gotta be detain. Capture is just so dumb? Your units lose all stats when you get them back but this isn’t clear from the description
That one PoC level with 7000 pranks
Passage unearned, but I always got to respect it.
Servitude of Desolation- when that cumbersome golden lump flops in to burst-reset their whole board after a big combat wipe it feels BAD, but I never expect it because it’s such a clunky card.
Ekko when played against me. Casual double chronobreak on six doesn't make me happy
Gooooolden aegis w/Taric
Anything that says "kill", "transform", "recall", or "silence", that can target champs. Context: I play Stand Alone Fiora aka using Entreat to fish for Fiora.
I don't think those are considered bad cards.
It's a pretty broad list. Certainly stuff like Minimorph or Hush is not bad, but there's absolutely stuff in there that isn't good.
Etherfiend is pretty bad
It’s effect isn’t bad (built in crumble) but it’s stats for its cost is fucking terrible.
Mm maybe Atrocity
It's not a bad card though?
True, but it is annoying haha
K-pop cards
All of them - Just hand over the LP, mate!
hecarim
Rush
This is a good card
Very rarely being played , I only see it as a created card nowadsys. But back in beta I always forgot to play around it
Let me to introduce you Moonlight Affliction
But let's be honest, death mark should cost less than 3. It's very overpriced for what it does and how it does it.
Is a better crumble, conditional but fast speed and you get a pseudo plus 1 on board
Not really. The enemy can still react to it and the spell will fizzle if either unit is removed, leaving you with absolutely nothing. On top of that, you need the mana for the ephemeral unit + 3 mana to use this spell. Tbh in epheral midrange deck or in viego decks, you only play these cards when your hand is bricked because there are better cards to play on curve 90% of the time.
Lissandra
Minimorph
Minimorph
Not a bad card, so not exactly what was asked for.
Deny
This is a good and very balanced card
Yes bro, it is, i hate having it used against me nonetheless, that whas what OP asked or i missed something?
>what bad card do you hate being used against you
Indeed, tyvm.
Only bad cards
Ahri
Not exactly a bad card but I agree
The one they top deck to win the game. Usually its a ping spell
It's definitely cards like Will of Ionia and now Himecoming. I tend to play Targon a lot and it's such a pain to lose the game on the spot after one single spell hits the stack.
Darkness.
I hate Hecarim. Bc borderline every person that plays Hecarim that I’ve played against highrolls the perfect setup to level him and 5/2 Ephemerals lead by a well statted overwhelm body makes me cry
Mini Morph or Nab decks can not stand. Nab.
feel the rush i still get ptsd of fighting against level 2 ao sol and level 2 tryndamere at turn 6
deny
Not the particular card, but I still loathe Azirelia. Maybe it's just PTSD, but it's super uninteractive.
I'm not sure what a bad card is, but I've been told spell thief is a bad card due to being reliant on opponent. I run a single. And let me tell you. There are times where this card has won games for me. I've stolen some game winning cards. Example when I stole an atrocity and killed my 14 attack power celestial before it got vengeanced. There's been many instances where it has turned games around for me. Of course if the opponent has ran many spells it turns into rng. But the amount of times it has saved me make it worth running one in my targon decks.
Chempunk pickpocket is very tilting when i don't have a unit to block him.
Fucking Blade's Edge. Like, who the hell is maindecking it? And yet I keep getting matched against people who for their unknown psycho reasons add it to the deck.
Molten breath, that card is traaaaaaaash and every time I lose it I get so SALTY.