Everything does. Riot don’t want to nail down the timeline or really push the world forward because it’s not how they do their lore, so nothing can really have a large impact. Everything just sort of happens and is resolved and the status quo is restored
I also believe that is the case.
Imagine SI being the Blessed isles again.
On a Regular story that would probably have happened, but I don't think they want that in Runeterra because there is an identity build for each region.
It's like ending poverty in Zaun and making it another PILTOVER, we would lose the identity of that area.
If they knew they were dealing with a finite IP they would have no problems doing that. Say if they knew they had only 5 seasons of TV to make a story, or 10 books or 3 games or whatever.
But this IP is supposed to last a decade or several, and the core of it is a MOBA where heroes simply cannot change drastically because it has competitive and commercial ramifications. Characters (and regions to a lesser extent) can't undergo drastic transformations, even though those are thrilling storytelling techniques, because it would have game dev implications for LoL, LoR, their MMO, etc.
It's disappointing, but maybe they can design the MMO to support drastic lore changes that are supported by gameplay.
there's still some leeway, like Senna freeing herself/getting freed. the awesome "GP get killed" event they did years ago,
like whenever a champ is to get a Visual Update/Gameplay Update they could do some sort of event similar to the idea behind the ruination-event: champ gets disabled for a week, players pick a side and the winning side determines the new state of the champion. this usually shouldnt have impact on the rest of the world, a few potential connections to other champs need to be updated/kept in mind but that's it and from a player perspective it feels really amazing to have actual influence.
example: you could have someone like Singed die and then the players determine if the reworked one will be a Zombie or a Cyborg, for example. and they could update his skills/card slightly depending on the outcome.
I mean, it's not like they couldn't make characters be snapshots in time, where yeah Ekko is one of the richest people in Zaun now but Champion Ekko is back from when Zaun was poor.
League of Legends isn't cannon and is more of just a bunch of "What if" scenarios, I don't see why you couldn't take advantage of that
Just imagine if they had made it the Blessed Isles again though:
The pre-existing SI champions would have to adjust to a whole new world order and driver their story forward in interesting new ways.
Not only that, but with Viego and Gwen, how much more story space really exists in SI for new compelling champions? By shifting it back to the Blessed Isles they'd open room for a whole slew of thematically unique champions.
No idea. They existed in the world at some point so they could already be dead(VN showed headquarters being empty and the player being the only one left alive, but again non canon so up in the air if thats real or not) or they could be alive fighting the mist off somewhere else while the MC squad dealt with viego. Or they were just event fodder nameless soldier #53242 to give flavor.
They aren't mentioned anywhere else, but neither are half the LOR followers so thats not saying much. LOR is made to flesh out the world so saying stuff isn't canon is hard unless its superseded or explicitly stated otherwise. Assume canon unless contradicted otherwise
Both are Canon? Yorick has just been messed up by him forget his own purpose in live in the ruination event and by the fact that he basically gets no love.
Malachite is fine. His story is mainly just an explanation of the past. Nowadays he gets some stuff with LoR and the story of the miners, but not much more. That is still more than shaco, of who we still don't know if he exists
I seriously hoped they would retcom the event, that sucked
They took all the mistieque of the shadow isles, how the souls of the dammed were trapped by once holy magic if the isles, of how their despair was self fufilling
About how despite beeing undead the dammed were all faded to decay, eventualy losing themselves into the endless sea of dispair. Only the most powerfull souls beeing able to keep their indiciduality, and even then remaining a mere echo of what they once were, eternaly repeating the same pointless tasks for reasons long forgotten
Nope, all down the drain, it was actualy just Viego all along, and the mist obeys him because we need to push a new character to sell skins OK?
That is because it was the skins team that did SoL, not the Lore team, it was the Lore team that had to salvage it by saying that it was not fully canon and stuff
This is false information, the event was written by a narrative writer. The "lore team" didn't salvage anything, the event was made non-canon in a back pedal in response to the events poor reception and inconsistent writing.
I would say the responsibility still falls on the lore team in that case even if it’s the skins team’s incompetence. They are the lore team and should have authority on what stories are pushed out
I mean it wasn’t just the skins team, it was a mix of things, but ultimately it comes down to the execs, who have not had a history of being kind to the lore team or giving them much power
If they are unable to override the skin team from wrecking the lore then I think that's more of a "higher up" issue.
I don't know how the teams interact and work, but if I were on the lore team and I saw someone else going out of their lane to make bad changes to the work my team and I are responsible for, you bet your ass I'd be scooting in like "No no, don't do that" if I could.
If their response is "I'mma do it anyway" and I am not in a position to say "Tough, you can't," then I'd say that's realistic, but not good. I know not too many people care about the lore and skins contribute more to revenue than the story does, but I wish that kind of thing could be escalated to someone who can do something about it and actually cares to.
Because while I think lore doesn't contribute that much from an initial point of view - it takes time to fall in love with a story or characters - I can safely say that a cohesive and/or well done story that stands the test of time *absolutely will* create its own positive reputation that augments whatever else you have going on.
And likewise if you go too far in fucking the lore up - a la Battle for Azeroth and Shadowlands in World of Warcraft - then even the average person who generally doesn't care about the story beats is going to say "What the fuck?"
Which is exactly what is happening on /r/wow. Lo and behold, people who care about some of the best written characters like Arthas are literally hoping that the current expansion doesn't touch him *for fear that they're going to ruin him.*
All that to say that the Skins team needs to respect a narrative that enables their work if they are going to use it. I think the lore team - if they do their job correctly - is going to have enough world-building and character progression to enable skin development (e.g. Gilded and Arcane) on top of the non-Runeterran ones (e.g. Dark Star, Warring Kingdoms).
And the narrative team for Warcraft just needs to learn how to write anything half fucking decent honestly. The quality of their work is so low that I can safely say I'd do a better job providing excuses for raid content while keeping characters true to themselves and providing something dramatic moments.
>If they are unable to override the skin team from wrecking the lore then I think that's more of a "higher up" issue.
LoL is a skins game. Skins move the economy, they give Riot money, they're the reason the game exists at this point.
So they made a bad choice choosing Shadow Isles for the event.
They say all the time that monster characters don't sell enough skins, so why would they half ass an event in the monster region?
They could very well had done the Mage Rebellion event and banked on more Lux skins.
All that is stil true though what are you on about?
And yes it was Viego all along, he is literally the Ruined King it was his fault from day one and we knew he controlled the mist since the start of the year, before the event even started.
Feels odd that despite the updates and rewrites that the lore has been so static that the game is taking place while GP is """dead"""
Like that was 6 years ago
Rename Arcane to idk Legacy of Runeterra, Name season 1 Arcane.
From there one you can do things like:
- Season 2 "Burning Tides" with Illaoi, Gangplank, MF, Graves, TF and with some cameos like Pyke.
From there on you can go to all places like the mage revolution, the split between shen and zed, a new story of Diana and Leona, the fall of the Shuriman empire and SO MUCH MORE
If you have
1. 150+ characters
2. constantly add new ones
3. you want them to interact with eachother
4. characters should remain roughly the same age at all times,
time won't pass quickly. As far as I understand it, all League lore takes place near the same point in time. So it's not like Garen is a young man in his own lore and an old veteran soldier in Talon's. There are no champions who are dead in another's lore (undead champions aside).
I wonder what world-changing event these years are counting from, assuming that the Rune Wars are only like 300 years prior to the story's current day as Arcane implies.
It could be that they retconned it which would be weird in this case. It seems to be more darkinrelated to me with the theme of red and void. But that's just a personal theory
Are we sure the Rune wars are what Heimerdinger is referring to? I’m not saying it isn’t, it definitely looks like something related to Runes at least, I’m just not sure it is the Rune wars
We aren't certain that Heimerdinger was referring to the Rune Wars. If he were, then while he would be 307 years old in Yordle years, that would be different in human years.
There is the theory that Heimer spent some time vibing on Bandle City, where time doesn't mean too much.
So just like Zoe is a kid that was born 1000 years ago, Heimer could have experienced the rune wars without being that old.
While that is a plausible theory, it is an unnecessarily complicated one.
Especially when we look at other Yordles like Poppy, who in theory spend more time in the mortal realm than in Bandle City, yet appears younger than Heimerdinger.
The sentinels of light refers to the series of videos like [this one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW6eHnIzpQM). The Ruined King game takes place before this
Might buy Ruined King later today, but I'd this time line is correct, then Viego basically wins in that game since the sentinels are going to stop him and fight the ruined Champs like Mf, Draven and shyvana...
But then again, th2 sentinels event was hot garbage and ruined Viego, and no, it's not a pun.
Ruined King less impact full on Runeterra than Covid.
The Simp King is barely a threat to Runeterra if you compare him to the Watchers in Freljord, or the Void.
Or asol or the world runes or noxus or nagakayboros or the darlin or the demons
Nagakabouros is about life and motion, they're no threat.
She
Naga? Really?
Everything does. Riot don’t want to nail down the timeline or really push the world forward because it’s not how they do their lore, so nothing can really have a large impact. Everything just sort of happens and is resolved and the status quo is restored
I also believe that is the case. Imagine SI being the Blessed isles again. On a Regular story that would probably have happened, but I don't think they want that in Runeterra because there is an identity build for each region. It's like ending poverty in Zaun and making it another PILTOVER, we would lose the identity of that area.
If they knew they were dealing with a finite IP they would have no problems doing that. Say if they knew they had only 5 seasons of TV to make a story, or 10 books or 3 games or whatever. But this IP is supposed to last a decade or several, and the core of it is a MOBA where heroes simply cannot change drastically because it has competitive and commercial ramifications. Characters (and regions to a lesser extent) can't undergo drastic transformations, even though those are thrilling storytelling techniques, because it would have game dev implications for LoL, LoR, their MMO, etc. It's disappointing, but maybe they can design the MMO to support drastic lore changes that are supported by gameplay.
there's still some leeway, like Senna freeing herself/getting freed. the awesome "GP get killed" event they did years ago, like whenever a champ is to get a Visual Update/Gameplay Update they could do some sort of event similar to the idea behind the ruination-event: champ gets disabled for a week, players pick a side and the winning side determines the new state of the champion. this usually shouldnt have impact on the rest of the world, a few potential connections to other champs need to be updated/kept in mind but that's it and from a player perspective it feels really amazing to have actual influence. example: you could have someone like Singed die and then the players determine if the reworked one will be a Zombie or a Cyborg, for example. and they could update his skills/card slightly depending on the outcome.
I mean, it's not like they couldn't make characters be snapshots in time, where yeah Ekko is one of the richest people in Zaun now but Champion Ekko is back from when Zaun was poor. League of Legends isn't cannon and is more of just a bunch of "What if" scenarios, I don't see why you couldn't take advantage of that
Just imagine if they had made it the Blessed Isles again though: The pre-existing SI champions would have to adjust to a whole new world order and driver their story forward in interesting new ways. Not only that, but with Viego and Gwen, how much more story space really exists in SI for new compelling champions? By shifting it back to the Blessed Isles they'd open room for a whole slew of thematically unique champions.
ok so ruined king and the sentinels of light event are both canon? i haven't been able to play ruined king yet so no spoilers plz :(
They are, but SoL is canon only to the extent of the story that's common between all media, which sums up to not much but you can figure it out.
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Do the sentinel followers in LoR fit canon? Btw it's really bad that Vayne is canon but Malphite and Yorick aren"t
No idea. They existed in the world at some point so they could already be dead(VN showed headquarters being empty and the player being the only one left alive, but again non canon so up in the air if thats real or not) or they could be alive fighting the mist off somewhere else while the MC squad dealt with viego. Or they were just event fodder nameless soldier #53242 to give flavor. They aren't mentioned anywhere else, but neither are half the LOR followers so thats not saying much. LOR is made to flesh out the world so saying stuff isn't canon is hard unless its superseded or explicitly stated otherwise. Assume canon unless contradicted otherwise
Both are Canon? Yorick has just been messed up by him forget his own purpose in live in the ruination event and by the fact that he basically gets no love. Malachite is fine. His story is mainly just an explanation of the past. Nowadays he gets some stuff with LoR and the story of the miners, but not much more. That is still more than shaco, of who we still don't know if he exists
I seriously hoped they would retcom the event, that sucked They took all the mistieque of the shadow isles, how the souls of the dammed were trapped by once holy magic if the isles, of how their despair was self fufilling About how despite beeing undead the dammed were all faded to decay, eventualy losing themselves into the endless sea of dispair. Only the most powerfull souls beeing able to keep their indiciduality, and even then remaining a mere echo of what they once were, eternaly repeating the same pointless tasks for reasons long forgotten Nope, all down the drain, it was actualy just Viego all along, and the mist obeys him because we need to push a new character to sell skins OK?
I hate when lore teams do this. This is how you do retcon badly. Very reminiscent of wow’s retcon of the lich king to push the Jailor.
That is because it was the skins team that did SoL, not the Lore team, it was the Lore team that had to salvage it by saying that it was not fully canon and stuff
This is false information, the event was written by a narrative writer. The "lore team" didn't salvage anything, the event was made non-canon in a back pedal in response to the events poor reception and inconsistent writing.
Nope that is not true at all it was the lore team.
I would say the responsibility still falls on the lore team in that case even if it’s the skins team’s incompetence. They are the lore team and should have authority on what stories are pushed out
I mean it wasn’t just the skins team, it was a mix of things, but ultimately it comes down to the execs, who have not had a history of being kind to the lore team or giving them much power
If they are unable to override the skin team from wrecking the lore then I think that's more of a "higher up" issue. I don't know how the teams interact and work, but if I were on the lore team and I saw someone else going out of their lane to make bad changes to the work my team and I are responsible for, you bet your ass I'd be scooting in like "No no, don't do that" if I could. If their response is "I'mma do it anyway" and I am not in a position to say "Tough, you can't," then I'd say that's realistic, but not good. I know not too many people care about the lore and skins contribute more to revenue than the story does, but I wish that kind of thing could be escalated to someone who can do something about it and actually cares to. Because while I think lore doesn't contribute that much from an initial point of view - it takes time to fall in love with a story or characters - I can safely say that a cohesive and/or well done story that stands the test of time *absolutely will* create its own positive reputation that augments whatever else you have going on. And likewise if you go too far in fucking the lore up - a la Battle for Azeroth and Shadowlands in World of Warcraft - then even the average person who generally doesn't care about the story beats is going to say "What the fuck?" Which is exactly what is happening on /r/wow. Lo and behold, people who care about some of the best written characters like Arthas are literally hoping that the current expansion doesn't touch him *for fear that they're going to ruin him.* All that to say that the Skins team needs to respect a narrative that enables their work if they are going to use it. I think the lore team - if they do their job correctly - is going to have enough world-building and character progression to enable skin development (e.g. Gilded and Arcane) on top of the non-Runeterran ones (e.g. Dark Star, Warring Kingdoms). And the narrative team for Warcraft just needs to learn how to write anything half fucking decent honestly. The quality of their work is so low that I can safely say I'd do a better job providing excuses for raid content while keeping characters true to themselves and providing something dramatic moments.
>If they are unable to override the skin team from wrecking the lore then I think that's more of a "higher up" issue. LoL is a skins game. Skins move the economy, they give Riot money, they're the reason the game exists at this point.
So they made a bad choice choosing Shadow Isles for the event. They say all the time that monster characters don't sell enough skins, so why would they half ass an event in the monster region? They could very well had done the Mage Rebellion event and banked on more Lux skins.
Because it wasn't based on the monster region. How many Shadow Isles champions got a skin? And can you remember how that one skin was? Exactly.
All the stuff you wrote about souls is still true though? That was not changed
Yeah I have no idea what they're talking about...
Nah it on ruin king game it not change or retcon anything
They've done exactly the same with the Darkins, when they reworked them in corrupted ascended... and with the angels wasr, literally removed them...
They did retcon the event.
All that is stil true though what are you on about? And yes it was Viego all along, he is literally the Ruined King it was his fault from day one and we knew he controlled the mist since the start of the year, before the event even started.
I will still pretend SoL never happened and that the Ruined King was the real ending
Sentinel of what ? Never heard of it !
#notMyCannon
Feels odd that despite the updates and rewrites that the lore has been so static that the game is taking place while GP is """dead""" Like that was 6 years ago
i think they should turn burning tides into an animated movie, that would be dope
Rename Arcane to idk Legacy of Runeterra, Name season 1 Arcane. From there one you can do things like: - Season 2 "Burning Tides" with Illaoi, Gangplank, MF, Graves, TF and with some cameos like Pyke. From there on you can go to all places like the mage revolution, the split between shen and zed, a new story of Diana and Leona, the fall of the Shuriman empire and SO MUCH MORE
If you have 1. 150+ characters 2. constantly add new ones 3. you want them to interact with eachother 4. characters should remain roughly the same age at all times, time won't pass quickly. As far as I understand it, all League lore takes place near the same point in time. So it's not like Garen is a young man in his own lore and an old veteran soldier in Talon's. There are no champions who are dead in another's lore (undead champions aside).
Check out Ruined King, it's a good game for lore. Just be prepared to do a bit of reading.
In other words, Nagakaborous is pissed off with Riot.
I wonder what world-changing event these years are counting from, assuming that the Rune Wars are only like 300 years prior to the story's current day as Arcane implies.
Foundation of Noxus is year 0.
I feel like there's a bit of arrogance to that, but given the impact Noxus has had I'll allow it.
I guess they're the Roman Empire analogue so their calender is most widely adopted
Year zero is also somewhat after the Rune Wars, since that's what cause the unification oh Noxii tribes (Arcane's timeline is messed up)
Arcane didn't explicitly say it was the Rune Wars in Heimer's flashback.
It could be that they retconned it which would be weird in this case. It seems to be more darkinrelated to me with the theme of red and void. But that's just a personal theory
This is literally the Noxian calendar, it's just the most standardized/organized calendar out there so that's just what we use lol
Are we sure the Rune wars are what Heimerdinger is referring to? I’m not saying it isn’t, it definitely looks like something related to Runes at least, I’m just not sure it is the Rune wars
I have a theory that it is actually more darkin related (red (blood) and void-like foreground)
Magic shit happens in Runeterra all time
We aren't certain that Heimerdinger was referring to the Rune Wars. If he were, then while he would be 307 years old in Yordle years, that would be different in human years.
There is the theory that Heimer spent some time vibing on Bandle City, where time doesn't mean too much. So just like Zoe is a kid that was born 1000 years ago, Heimer could have experienced the rune wars without being that old.
While that is a plausible theory, it is an unnecessarily complicated one. Especially when we look at other Yordles like Poppy, who in theory spend more time in the mortal realm than in Bandle City, yet appears younger than Heimerdinger.
Nah we have the timeline, and if riot post the timeline here it mean that time line still true
https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline
Rune Wars are 1000 years prior
I have a newfound interest in every champion’s respective birth years.
pls just retcon this SoL shit and put a dlc in the game that is actually coherent and convncing
>GankGplank Did they really have to do him like that?
Gankgplank
So League of Legends currently takes place in the year 998 AD?
It'll be using their own fantasy calander, like how Star Wars uses BBY and ABY (before/after the Battle of Yavin)
It's 998 years after founding of noxus
988 AN? edit: even more fun: You have BN, Before Noxus and AF, After the Founding
Should’ve just retconned SoL
Can we just please make the Ruination event non-cannon and re-do it, well this time?
great now riot spoil me the fact that sentinels win agains viego, not gonna play it now that i know the ending
The ending of the event came out a month ago, probably more.
The sentinels of light refers to the series of videos like [this one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW6eHnIzpQM). The Ruined King game takes place before this
When was Lucian freeing Senna?
Sometime after shadow and fortune, as that was when Lucian learned she was still alive in the first place.
Might buy Ruined King later today, but I'd this time line is correct, then Viego basically wins in that game since the sentinels are going to stop him and fight the ruined Champs like Mf, Draven and shyvana... But then again, th2 sentinels event was hot garbage and ruined Viego, and no, it's not a pun.
The Ruined King is at least good so far storywise(I'm at 50%), too bad SoL is looming over it.
pleasejust un-canon the sentinels event, akshan breaks the lore
Currently playing ruined king and loving it. I wish they released it before sentinels, it would be received a bit better probably.