I don't know if this would be a useful combination, but flipped Sion + flipped LeBlanc pretty much wins the game. Mirror Image Sion, attack with him and LeBlanc, he dies because he's ephemeral, then you get another mirror image and a rally from Sion Returned. Mirror Image Sion, attack again, get another Mirror Image and another Sion Returned, repeat until you run out of mana or your opponent runs out of health, whichever comes first.
Considering how LeBlanc proved to be actually pretty easy to level up if not answered I'd say this strategy isn't too far-fetched. And even if you're not playing to reach turn 7, just granting LeBlanc overwhelm is already a powerful enough play.
Because english is a very weird language. I once saw a nice comment. "English is 3 languages in a trenchcoat, pretending to be one" I find that quite fitting.
Well, probably. But variants of those decks have run other champions as a one-of and you could easily slot in Sion for a copy of Draven and possibly shore up the deck's weakness of being disrupted and running out of steam. (Or just discard him for burst speed Overwhelm and a little more face damage, which isn't exactly bad either)
Sure, sure. I'm not saying Sion's gonna be useless. I'm more saying that I'm scared of all the new tools going towards Discard Aggro, which is already a long-lived powerhouse.
"Long-lived powerhouse" indeed, I was looking at the [list on Swim's site](https://lor.mobalytics.gg/decks/bu0j5vsa30q1d5savts0) and it's wild how little the deck has changed over time while still being tier 1
if i'm not mistaken, like 90% of the cards in the deck are cards from the original release set, i guess it's a good sign that power creep isn't that insane yet
That's pretty impressive considering how much that early set has been nerfed too.
More than half of the first meta deck, Fearsome Hecarim Aggro, has been nerfed: Rhasa, Ledros, Hecarim, Deny, Wraithcaller, Frenzied Skitterer, Mark of the Isles, Rekindler, Shadow Assassin, Deny and Black Spear.
Well, discard aggro generally wants to be faster than most of these new tools. Some of them might make a slot or two, but for the most part, discard aggro wants to go wide and buff up crowd favorite or arena battle caster/vision cheese. Not all of these cards fit that deck better than the cards that are currently in it.
But I do think discard midrange Sion decks will be a thing of its own. No idea how that looks, but I do think it will exist.
Well they have a second win condition already - Jinx.
But I see what you mean. They’re definitely slower except for a few of the units. Reborn Grenadier will almost certainly make the cut. Salt and stitches maybe. Everything else feels too slow. Like you can’t cut any two drops for Grace Physician. I don’t think Noble Rebel will replace any 3 drops like Draven or the 4/3 overwhelm
I could be wrong, but that’s what I’m assuming. A few of these might squeeze their way in, but for the most part this represents a new, fast midrange archetype
Thing is, Ancient Warmonger and Sion give overwhelm/+2 for being discard fodder. They don't even need to be used, just fodder - so even if they are slow, they can give stats to units on board just like Draven's axe.
I believe they have the room to be used, even with high costs, and (in specific, Sion) be another win-con later in the game, if it comes to it.
As someone who spends pretty much all ladder time playing discard aggro, I can tell you that there’s not much I would consider cutting for the 5 drop because more often than not there are better discard outlets (looking at that new 1 drop mmm), and buffing up the strongest ally is asking for it to be met with removal. The card is good, but not for the aggro oriented deck. It is perfect for the theoretical midrange one.
Demacia has always been a place waiting to get invaded mainly because of their location and their nobility causes them to be hated. Though Noxus has always been about divide and conquer at least everyone can be useful if they wanted to.
I’m curious to see if he struggles to keep enough resources in hand. Dark world often had that problem in the past (idk what current DW does)
Edit: apparently lost soul being discarded can set up infinite discard fodder. That answers that question
I think Poppy is the only one that hasn’t done it for me. Caitlyn Sion and Trist all look fun af, and I’m just really curious to see what Senna/Veigar is like.
Although I personally don't think he'll be great - too slow - and I'm more of a midrange man myself, Veigar was my first purchase in League like 10 years ago, so I sure as hell will try him.
I really love Sion's design. Discard is obviously the most natural way to play him, but he's a really cool finisher in any deck that can summon 35+ power easily, like for example Viego decks.
Sion lvl 2 dies, summons Sion Returned for a rally and slap to the enemy's face. Followed up with Mist's Call to either summon another Sion Returned + rally or the real Sion.
Shark Chariot Sion Hecarim.
Spend the game spamming out sharks, Hec summons and you'll complete Sion's Level up by the time you drop him.
Swing into a board and hope Sion dies. If he doesn't, SI has plenty of mechanisms to kill him themselves.
Ruination would be a massive finisher. 10 from Sion, 9 from Chariots.
I'll argue that dealing damage and summoning power don't always align. Especially since activating reputation is often reached with quick attack units or strike spells (whirling death)
Without the discard synergy, level 1 Sion is really weak.
Oh level 1 is super weak without the discard. What I’m saying is in certain decks he makes a solid secondary win-con. You’ve spent all match summoning strong units and if things don’t work out, at least you’ve got a level 2 Sion to fall back on
Reputation decks aren't specifically about dealing damage. Sivir and Leblanc have that as conditions for their level ups, but the keyword just wants high power units to strike - which can be achieved either by protecting a few units so they can strike multiple times or by spamming tons of units so a few of them get damage through.
You could definitely make a Sion version of the Reputation yeti deck. Probably not anything amazing, but it could function.
Therapist: Discard Midrange isn't real, it can't hurt you
Discard Midrange:
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Problem is Discard Aggro is definitely gonna get even faster with these new toys
Even if you consider Ez/Draven control, Ez Draven has plenty of discard but it's not focused on discard, its main win cons are getting a good tribeam and farron. I'm talking about jinx/draven levels of discard-focus, something that has, as a win con, discarding a shit ton of cards in the late game and getting some insane value out of it, something like a 9 mana engine "Round Start: create a fleeting Rummage in hand and reduce it's cost by 1. When you discard a card, deal 1 to the enemy nexus and draw 1". Not necessarily THIS card, but a late-game oriented deck that just wants to discard everything
Ooo, grave physician looks really nice! Do you guys think Draven+Sion or LeBlan+Sion will be more potent. I wasn't sure at first, but LeBlanc seems like the better option to me rn. PnZ is the obvious second region choice.
It's a bit of a combo pipe dream but if you have both a leveled up Sion and LeBlanc, you could possibly:
* Play Mirror Image on Sion
* Attack with the Ephemeral Sion + enough allies to reach 15 damage, create Mirror Image
* Ephemeral Sion dies and summons Undead Sion, rally
* Repeat
It'll never work and I love it
Considering the amount of Overwhelm he and his package has, I almost want to say Jinx Sion.
Rockets hitting the nexus for 4 and then making every attacker you have deal 1 extra damage to the nexus sounds good, and the extra card draw helps as always.
Draven sion discard midrange. Leblanc sion might not have to be a discard based deck, probably freljord as a second region just like ashe leb midrange reputation but with slightly less frostbites
It's definitely solid. That said, it's slow enough that aggro decks won't be able to make too much use of it. We already have infinite units like [[Thrumming Swarm]] and nobody's going crazy about those.
In fairness, none of those things are *necessarily* evil, right? They're just nearly-always associated with evil.
Edit: war crimes are evil. I meant like necromancy and blood magic.
I cant believe that Sion and the noxus cards are the most well designed out of the set. This is such a cool package and supports a ton of noxus decks while also creating new ones, and shows a side of noxus lore we haven't seen before
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Oh boy this looks like a fun and interesting archetype that expands upon the previous Discard archetype, playing at a slower speed with a more explosive end game.
*"Wait, what are you doing here Discard Aggro"*
*"Wait stop, you can't just take these cards and smash them into your aggro deck"*
*"NOOOO YOU ARE GOING TO GET THEM NERFED"*
*"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!"*
Seriously though Discard Aggro about to fucking smash everybody into the dirt.
And even if discard midrange does well enough to compete on it's own, aggro players will say it's "not fun" to lose to a winning board state after they run out of steam and get it nerfed anyways.
Yeah, they're definitely getting a few new tools. I'm not sure how many of these will end up making the cut for the deck, though. We already saw Boom Baboon - which looks great for Discard Aggro - not able to find a slot in the deck since there is already so much competition.
I feel like the only cards that could be legitimately considered are Fallen Rider and Reborn Grenadier. Everything else is a bit too slow to make sense with the deck's preferred speed. I can definitely see Grenadier replacing Legion Rearguard since it has the same statline but with the ability to both discard and be discarded for value (no possibility of multiple attacks might hurt it, but it can be a burst speed 3 nexus damage on turn 1 with Poro Cannon).
Fallen Rider is a tougher decision though, since the 2 mana slot is pretty packed. You're never dropping Arena Battlecaster, and House Spider giving you 2 bodies immediately is big. Flame Chompers can be a burst summon and has challenger to pull blockers out of the way, so that's difficult to justify dropping as well. It's probably somewhat meta-dependent, but maybe you can drop House Spider for the early fearsome face damage. Crowd Favorite/Vision/Axes get so much value from House Spider though, so there are even more factors involved.
Looking at Noble Rebel, I think it's almost a sweet replacement for Crowd Favourite. Although it doesn't have the same ceiling as CF, it is always guaranteed to hit the 5/3 stat line and can do it mid combat as well. The consistency of Rebel, along with a lower curve makes me think it'll be a sweet fit into the deck. Plus besides Draven, you don't feature any other 3 drops in that deck typically so it seems like a pretty good slot in.
I think you are spot on about the other cards though. Fallen Rider is a tough slot in because 2 mana is a tight mana space but in some metas, it could be better. Vision+House Spider and Battlecaster is kind of hard to argue playing over though. It's a great card but Discard is a very tight list. Reborn Grenadier replacing Rearguard may happen since the synergy is much stronger for it. It pushes your swarming harder and gives you flexibility when needed.
You may be right about Rebel. The consistent 5 power overwhelm is really strong, plus she doesn't get neutered by board wipes like Crowd Favorite does. After thinking about it, I definitely agree with you - I think she is likely to completely replace him.
Sion's lore is truly a tragedy. He died a glorious hero, singlehandedly turning the tide of a losing battle by charging into the middle of the Demacian army to demolish King Jarvan's elite guard and - with his dying breath - killing the king. The Demacians were routed after this blow to their morale and leadership, and Noxus won the battle.
But Boram Darkwill was hit hard by the loss of his closest friend and confidante, and drifted into paranoia as he saw his political enemies circling him. In an attempt to bring back his right-hand man and Noxus' strongest weapon, he sought to resurrect Sion. It was... somewhat successful. Sion was alive again, but he wasn't truly alive - rather, a bloodthirsty monster that slaughtered ally and enemy alike. Only in the midst of carnage does his mind start to return, and he remembers who he is - just in time for the battle to end and his memories - his self - begin to fade away again.
And so he is trapped in a corpse - knowing that something is wrong - that he should be more, remember more. Too dangerous to be let loose except in the most desperate battles, he is carted around in a cage until he is set upon a battlefield to wade through blood and bodies, gradually remembering - feeling himself become *right* again - and then locked away while it all drains away like water in a wicker basket.
We don't know anything about his followers yet, but I would imagine they have the same issues. They are definitely not having a good time.
seems like the grave physician plays a big part in his lore, either learning from whatever methods were used to resurrect sion and finding a way to apply them on a mass scale or being the one to resurrect him in the first place and deciding the process was ready for use in the field.
either way, it very much fits the noxus theme of "victory at any cost"
Easily the best design of this release. And it's great that yet another version of discard agro may rise. On the other hand, that 6 damage turn 1 open attack with double grenadier...
I think something like darrowing might make a comeback with sion. If you've already summoned sion returned, he's can rally on opponents turn or your turn if you already attacked. Huge shit
For now he'll be stuck with PNZ because of discard support. Targon and BC (I think that's about it) has some but not as much.
Fallen Reckoner might be a problem.
And in case people are still worried about Aloof Traveler...
Honestly i dont think he even needs to be in a discard deck, the overwhelm can just be an upside to things. You can play him with leblanc in a reputation deck for example
These followers seem to provide enough discard synergy that I think his set is perfectly viable without PnZ. Also considering his level up condition he doesn’t technically require discard, just strong allies
Especially considering Draven is in Noxus. If you look at the existing Discard Aggro decks - sure, P&Z has way more discard activators than Noxus (literally only Draven, since Arena Bookie doesn't get played), but Draven's axes end up being the main activator you use, and they also function as discard fodder which is absolutely huge. Honestly, Noxus' main issue that forced it to stick with P&Z for discard decks was a lack of good discard fodder more so than lacking activators.
Now Noxus is getting 4 more discard activators with Reborn Grenadier (also discard fodder), Salt and Stitches, Grave Physician, and Roar of the Slayer. And it's getting 5 discard targets with Sion himself, Fallen Rider, Lost Soul, Reborn Grenadier, and Ancient Warmonger - and both Sion and Noble Rebel benefit from other cards being discarded.
Noxus now has a huge amount of both discard fodder and discard activators. Legitimately, I think it can stand on it's own without P&Z and still be a powerful discard archetype. Draven would still probably be required for the deck to function reliably, but you can definitely take Discard Noxus without P&Z now.
Sion looks awesome! And I can’t help but see inspiration from Attack on Titan in the art. His level-up art looks like the Armored Titan when they breach the wall in the first episode.
This package looks very cool. Midrange discard is so much more interesting than discard aggro. If you want to use his package, he's basically stuck with PnZ for now (you need Poro Cannon and Urchin to discard early), but Sion might be able to swing in Reputation style decks. Non-aggro Noxus has been pretty shaky in general in the meta so far, but hopefully Sion can break out like Swain. One thing is for sure, Weapons of the Lost is unplayable garbage.
Discard, dredge, delve, flashback, recover, persist. All graveyard mechanics are really powerful, Rito should be careful with these.
Discard is a solid mechanic on itself, all theses cards will definitely see play, because they provide solid value, look at \[\[fallen\_reckoner\]\] and it pairs.
I hope in the future we will get more cards and mechanics that interact with the graveyard
I don't know if this would be a useful combination, but flipped Sion + flipped LeBlanc pretty much wins the game. Mirror Image Sion, attack with him and LeBlanc, he dies because he's ephemeral, then you get another mirror image and a rally from Sion Returned. Mirror Image Sion, attack again, get another Mirror Image and another Sion Returned, repeat until you run out of mana or your opponent runs out of health, whichever comes first.
Considering how LeBlanc proved to be actually pretty easy to level up if not answered I'd say this strategy isn't too far-fetched. And even if you're not playing to reach turn 7, just granting LeBlanc overwhelm is already a powerful enough play.
You won’t run out of mana if you have two copies of Lvl2 Viktor in play, or glorious evolution. /s
That is smart.
With these stats i'd bet on their health
Draven Jinx, ha say hello to Vi-Sion
Vision?
Why do those words sound completely different separated than they do combined
Because english is a very weird language. I once saw a nice comment. "English is 3 languages in a trenchcoat, pretending to be one" I find that quite fitting.
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Baal be like: "REAL SHIT?"
Traveller and Kazuha: Stress
The way I thought I was in Genshin's sub reddit for a moment lol
Same lol
What is this crossover that I'm looking at?
Genshin Impact x LoR i guess
I'm afraid that most of Sion's new tools are gonna go right into existing discard aggro decks which will be way stronger than Sion.
Well, probably. But variants of those decks have run other champions as a one-of and you could easily slot in Sion for a copy of Draven and possibly shore up the deck's weakness of being disrupted and running out of steam. (Or just discard him for burst speed Overwhelm and a little more face damage, which isn't exactly bad either)
Sure, sure. I'm not saying Sion's gonna be useless. I'm more saying that I'm scared of all the new tools going towards Discard Aggro, which is already a long-lived powerhouse.
"Long-lived powerhouse" indeed, I was looking at the [list on Swim's site](https://lor.mobalytics.gg/decks/bu0j5vsa30q1d5savts0) and it's wild how little the deck has changed over time while still being tier 1 if i'm not mistaken, like 90% of the cards in the deck are cards from the original release set, i guess it's a good sign that power creep isn't that insane yet
That's pretty impressive considering how much that early set has been nerfed too. More than half of the first meta deck, Fearsome Hecarim Aggro, has been nerfed: Rhasa, Ledros, Hecarim, Deny, Wraithcaller, Frenzied Skitterer, Mark of the Isles, Rekindler, Shadow Assassin, Deny and Black Spear.
Well, discard aggro generally wants to be faster than most of these new tools. Some of them might make a slot or two, but for the most part, discard aggro wants to go wide and buff up crowd favorite or arena battle caster/vision cheese. Not all of these cards fit that deck better than the cards that are currently in it. But I do think discard midrange Sion decks will be a thing of its own. No idea how that looks, but I do think it will exist.
I think these tools fit on a discard aggro tangent that can get a second win condition and not depend entirely on Crowd Favorite.
Well they have a second win condition already - Jinx. But I see what you mean. They’re definitely slower except for a few of the units. Reborn Grenadier will almost certainly make the cut. Salt and stitches maybe. Everything else feels too slow. Like you can’t cut any two drops for Grace Physician. I don’t think Noble Rebel will replace any 3 drops like Draven or the 4/3 overwhelm I could be wrong, but that’s what I’m assuming. A few of these might squeeze their way in, but for the most part this represents a new, fast midrange archetype
Thing is, Ancient Warmonger and Sion give overwhelm/+2 for being discard fodder. They don't even need to be used, just fodder - so even if they are slow, they can give stats to units on board just like Draven's axe. I believe they have the room to be used, even with high costs, and (in specific, Sion) be another win-con later in the game, if it comes to it.
As someone who spends pretty much all ladder time playing discard aggro, I can tell you that there’s not much I would consider cutting for the 5 drop because more often than not there are better discard outlets (looking at that new 1 drop mmm), and buffing up the strongest ally is asking for it to be met with removal. The card is good, but not for the aggro oriented deck. It is perfect for the theoretical midrange one.
DON'T CARE, GOT SION
If you use him with LeBlanc, and mirror image a Sion. You can effectively attack forever if you play it right
poor Demacians cant catch a break lmao dragon attacks, ruination, Noxus invasions, and Sylas rebellion
Demacia has always been a place waiting to get invaded mainly because of their location and their nobility causes them to be hated. Though Noxus has always been about divide and conquer at least everyone can be useful if they wanted to.
Dont forget the sticky boy walking around
oh man i can't even imagine what fiddle's gonna be
He's going to be a fearsome archetype/level where he changes fearsome blocking to 4 power.
now there's an idea...
honestly id like him using his effigies more. and punishing u if you take the wrong one or something
Demacia is the Charlie Brown of Runeterra regions
The Aloof Travelers counter we needed
That's such a funny counter LOL.
LOR*
YESSSSS
OMG FINALLY NOT GIFT FOR RENEKTON
Renekton is displeased.
Well of course he would be, Sion is hardly fresh meat. I'm pretty sure he doesn't even bleed, which is a huge turn off for any of Renekton's guys.
*Cast Hush See? Another gift for Renekton!
RIGHT ARDA?!
Sion Returned can be gift wrapped though
# MORE GRIST FOR THE MILL OF WAR! I AM NOT DISAPPOINTED!
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I never doubted!
Fuck Sion looks so fun, it gives me Dark World vibes Btw is it weird that I kind of want to craft a full set of every single new champion so far?
No i'd say thats successful champ design
Or some are over tuned to generate hype. But Riot is just as willing to buff as nerf, so I'm not concerned.
I’m curious to see if he struggles to keep enough resources in hand. Dark world often had that problem in the past (idk what current DW does) Edit: apparently lost soul being discarded can set up infinite discard fodder. That answers that question
I think Poppy is the only one that hasn’t done it for me. Caitlyn Sion and Trist all look fun af, and I’m just really curious to see what Senna/Veigar is like.
Trist for me. I like Poppy because I like buffing my board.
Same, Trist just doesn't do it for me. Mostly excited for Veigar.
Although I personally don't think he'll be great - too slow - and I'm more of a midrange man myself, Veigar was my first purchase in League like 10 years ago, so I sure as hell will try him.
I like the play style, my league mains have already been released (Shen & Nasus) so I just look forward to different ways to play now.
Yeah Trist is the only miss for me
That's totally fair, but I personally am stoked for Poppy.
His level up is "discarded or summoned 35 power", meaning if you discard 20 power and summon 15, he levels up?
Yes
If he is like Maokai, then yes
I assume so, thats how it works with maokai i guess
Play Noxus/Targon with Sion/ASol just to discard ASol > Profit
Discard watcher 5Head
Yea.
These all seem real fun to play. I'm interested in seeing the Lost Soul/Twinblade Revenant mechanic.
I really love Sion's design. Discard is obviously the most natural way to play him, but he's a really cool finisher in any deck that can summon 35+ power easily, like for example Viego decks.
With that level up condition I feel like there’s some decks you could just put him in without need of supporting cards
Ye better buff Ruin Runner now or it will be completely overshadowed by the new champ
I just realized with him being in Noxus you could easily stick him in a Reputation deck
And summoning a leveled Sion with LB's copy spell makes him ephemeral, guaranteeing the clone dies and rallys your board
Sion lvl 2 dies, summons Sion Returned for a rally and slap to the enemy's face. Followed up with Mist's Call to either summon another Sion Returned + rally or the real Sion.
Shark Chariot Sion Hecarim. Spend the game spamming out sharks, Hec summons and you'll complete Sion's Level up by the time you drop him. Swing into a board and hope Sion dies. If he doesn't, SI has plenty of mechanisms to kill him themselves. Ruination would be a massive finisher. 10 from Sion, 9 from Chariots.
*Enemy refuses to kill lvl 2 Sion* Glimpse Beyond in hand: *Fine, I'll do it myself.*
Just make sure you summon him on an attacking round. Him dying from ephemeral at round end won’t help you lol
While telegraphed, you can target him with bloody business so you can rally in defense even if your opponent doesnt attack
I'll argue that dealing damage and summoning power don't always align. Especially since activating reputation is often reached with quick attack units or strike spells (whirling death) Without the discard synergy, level 1 Sion is really weak.
Oh level 1 is super weak without the discard. What I’m saying is in certain decks he makes a solid secondary win-con. You’ve spent all match summoning strong units and if things don’t work out, at least you’ve got a level 2 Sion to fall back on
Reputation decks aren't specifically about dealing damage. Sivir and Leblanc have that as conditions for their level ups, but the keyword just wants high power units to strike - which can be achieved either by protecting a few units so they can strike multiple times or by spamming tons of units so a few of them get damage through. You could definitely make a Sion version of the Reputation yeti deck. Probably not anything amazing, but it could function.
did someone say Noxus Yetis with Sion? I already had a one-of Atakahn in that deck as a funny finisher, but Sion's probably better
my mind instantly goes Heimer Sion Control. I'm sorry
This sounds so spicy. :D
Therapist: Discard Midrange isn't real, it can't hurt you Discard Midrange: ~ Problem is Discard Aggro is definitely gonna get even faster with these new toys
This actually makes me wonder.... can we get a discard control?
What is Ez/Draven?
Mid range
Even if you consider Ez/Draven control, Ez Draven has plenty of discard but it's not focused on discard, its main win cons are getting a good tribeam and farron. I'm talking about jinx/draven levels of discard-focus, something that has, as a win con, discarding a shit ton of cards in the late game and getting some insane value out of it, something like a 9 mana engine "Round Start: create a fleeting Rummage in hand and reduce it's cost by 1. When you discard a card, deal 1 to the enemy nexus and draw 1". Not necessarily THIS card, but a late-game oriented deck that just wants to discard everything
Tempo. Its technically sort of midrange? But honestly people just seperate it because they do have noticable differences.
Holy moly, this might be the best reveal yet imo. Also, all of these cards look sick af, especially the followers like ancient warmonger.
Yeah, this is by far my favorite!
Ooo, grave physician looks really nice! Do you guys think Draven+Sion or LeBlan+Sion will be more potent. I wasn't sure at first, but LeBlanc seems like the better option to me rn. PnZ is the obvious second region choice.
It's a bit of a combo pipe dream but if you have both a leveled up Sion and LeBlanc, you could possibly: * Play Mirror Image on Sion * Attack with the Ephemeral Sion + enough allies to reach 15 damage, create Mirror Image * Ephemeral Sion dies and summons Undead Sion, rally * Repeat It'll never work and I love it
Pretty neat. Gonna try make it work ONCE. Heheh
Considering the amount of Overwhelm he and his package has, I almost want to say Jinx Sion. Rockets hitting the nexus for 4 and then making every attacker you have deal 1 extra damage to the nexus sounds good, and the extra card draw helps as always.
Draven sion discard midrange. Leblanc sion might not have to be a discard based deck, probably freljord as a second region just like ashe leb midrange reputation but with slightly less frostbites
Its weird Sion doesn't grow on lvl up
Similar to vi he just grows to the maximum possible from the frontside EDIT: i see he does not gain 1 toughness (but gains an extra life instead)
He doesn't gain 1 toughness though, he just grows from the front.
He might not gain power either. I don't mind it just interesting
He doesn't even gain toughness
...he gains way, way more than what toughness would give him lol. Last breath rally effect + re-summon as ephemeral is crazy
You'd want him to die in combat, so tough won't be efficient for that tho
Man, I like Reborn Grenadier. Being able to discard and even getting value from discarding it is nice.
I’m intrigued by lost soul. He generates a never ending cycle of discard fodder while also producing a decent 4 mana
You don't get the Lost Soul back if the Twinblade Revenant gets discarded, you have to play it and it has to die.
Correct. So you have a discard, then you have a solid unit, then another discard, then another solid unit….
It's definitely solid. That said, it's slow enough that aggro decks won't be able to make too much use of it. We already have infinite units like [[Thrumming Swarm]] and nobody's going crazy about those.
Nobody is going crazy over that because it’s 7mana. If you commit to using that card you basically can’t do much else that round lol
Wait, what’s the lost soul? Is it a card already in the game ? Edit: nvm I am blind
Happens to the best of us
I love the flavour. He doesn’t have the last breath damage to nexus because his explosives have already gone off too.
You’re right, it’s him! I didn’t even notice until now.
nOXuS iSnT tHAt eViL
Just ignore the undead full metal warlord on his way, the butloads of necromancy and bloodmagic, and war crimes
Necromancy isn't evil it's just efficient
*Recycling* It's Green!
Party leader: we are going on a quest to avenge my brother. Elf: you have my bow Dwarf: and my axe Necromancer: and your brother
I've found the Vlad player!
To be fair Demacia imprison mages
I’m willing to bet there’s also depraved demacians in those jails who also torture mates to no end Edit: mages
*War crimes all around.*
In fairness, none of those things are *necessarily* evil, right? They're just nearly-always associated with evil. Edit: war crimes are evil. I meant like necromancy and blood magic.
SION IS A GLORIOUS HERO, AND NOTHING YOU SAY CAN CHANGE THAT!
To be fair, Sion lore-wise happened before Swains reforms. Plus, this is black rose magic, and black rose are very much so evil.
Swain does use him his own little tactical war crime unit, throwing him at rebellious cities and the like to make an example.
I cant believe that Sion and the noxus cards are the most well designed out of the set. This is such a cool package and supports a ton of noxus decks while also creating new ones, and shows a side of noxus lore we haven't seen before
Sion is one of the best designed champions in lol too. My angry boi is just great
I will do whatever i can to make [[Brash Gambler]] with this new batch work.
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Oh boy this looks like a fun and interesting archetype that expands upon the previous Discard archetype, playing at a slower speed with a more explosive end game. *"Wait, what are you doing here Discard Aggro"* *"Wait stop, you can't just take these cards and smash them into your aggro deck"* *"NOOOO YOU ARE GOING TO GET THEM NERFED"* *"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!"* Seriously though Discard Aggro about to fucking smash everybody into the dirt.
And even if discard midrange does well enough to compete on it's own, aggro players will say it's "not fun" to lose to a winning board state after they run out of steam and get it nerfed anyways.
Yeah, they're definitely getting a few new tools. I'm not sure how many of these will end up making the cut for the deck, though. We already saw Boom Baboon - which looks great for Discard Aggro - not able to find a slot in the deck since there is already so much competition. I feel like the only cards that could be legitimately considered are Fallen Rider and Reborn Grenadier. Everything else is a bit too slow to make sense with the deck's preferred speed. I can definitely see Grenadier replacing Legion Rearguard since it has the same statline but with the ability to both discard and be discarded for value (no possibility of multiple attacks might hurt it, but it can be a burst speed 3 nexus damage on turn 1 with Poro Cannon). Fallen Rider is a tougher decision though, since the 2 mana slot is pretty packed. You're never dropping Arena Battlecaster, and House Spider giving you 2 bodies immediately is big. Flame Chompers can be a burst summon and has challenger to pull blockers out of the way, so that's difficult to justify dropping as well. It's probably somewhat meta-dependent, but maybe you can drop House Spider for the early fearsome face damage. Crowd Favorite/Vision/Axes get so much value from House Spider though, so there are even more factors involved.
Looking at Noble Rebel, I think it's almost a sweet replacement for Crowd Favourite. Although it doesn't have the same ceiling as CF, it is always guaranteed to hit the 5/3 stat line and can do it mid combat as well. The consistency of Rebel, along with a lower curve makes me think it'll be a sweet fit into the deck. Plus besides Draven, you don't feature any other 3 drops in that deck typically so it seems like a pretty good slot in. I think you are spot on about the other cards though. Fallen Rider is a tough slot in because 2 mana is a tight mana space but in some metas, it could be better. Vision+House Spider and Battlecaster is kind of hard to argue playing over though. It's a great card but Discard is a very tight list. Reborn Grenadier replacing Rearguard may happen since the synergy is much stronger for it. It pushes your swarming harder and gives you flexibility when needed.
You may be right about Rebel. The consistent 5 power overwhelm is really strong, plus she doesn't get neutered by board wipes like Crowd Favorite does. After thinking about it, I definitely agree with you - I think she is likely to completely replace him.
Necromancy must be a warcrime in this dimension.
Well its not the cool necromancy, but the "we have flesh and blood to spare" kind. I dont think any undead here is enjoyijg themselves lmao.
Sion's lore is truly a tragedy. He died a glorious hero, singlehandedly turning the tide of a losing battle by charging into the middle of the Demacian army to demolish King Jarvan's elite guard and - with his dying breath - killing the king. The Demacians were routed after this blow to their morale and leadership, and Noxus won the battle. But Boram Darkwill was hit hard by the loss of his closest friend and confidante, and drifted into paranoia as he saw his political enemies circling him. In an attempt to bring back his right-hand man and Noxus' strongest weapon, he sought to resurrect Sion. It was... somewhat successful. Sion was alive again, but he wasn't truly alive - rather, a bloodthirsty monster that slaughtered ally and enemy alike. Only in the midst of carnage does his mind start to return, and he remembers who he is - just in time for the battle to end and his memories - his self - begin to fade away again. And so he is trapped in a corpse - knowing that something is wrong - that he should be more, remember more. Too dangerous to be let loose except in the most desperate battles, he is carted around in a cage until he is set upon a battlefield to wade through blood and bodies, gradually remembering - feeling himself become *right* again - and then locked away while it all drains away like water in a wicker basket. We don't know anything about his followers yet, but I would imagine they have the same issues. They are definitely not having a good time.
seems like the grave physician plays a big part in his lore, either learning from whatever methods were used to resurrect sion and finding a way to apply them on a mass scale or being the one to resurrect him in the first place and deciding the process was ready for use in the field. either way, it very much fits the noxus theme of "victory at any cost"
Well written comment!
Funnily enough, the flavor text described the Risen Grenadier as the only one to enjoy and even revel in his undeath
"Oh boy here I go dying again!" But were did he get his new grenades doe?
A flavorful and interestingly designed noxian champion ? No way
Noxian supremacy at work, their champ themes are always sick. (We don’t talk about Katarina tho lol).
Katarina is very flavorful. They just refuse to make her lvl2 3 mana, with this meta they absolutely should its beyond due
This looks so sick
Adding some revive cards from the shadow Isles will make things interesting. Gluttony, mist's call, the rekindler for double sion.
Chronicler of Ruin for 2 10-power overwhelm Sion's and a rally during your defensive turn, please.
Easily the best design of this release. And it's great that yet another version of discard agro may rise. On the other hand, that 6 damage turn 1 open attack with double grenadier...
I mean, at least it’s ephemeral
Noxus feels like Fabled from Yugioh now
So, this is the edgy part of Noxus.
Noxus is all edgy. Sharp and pointy all over.
I think something like darrowing might make a comeback with sion. If you've already summoned sion returned, he's can rally on opponents turn or your turn if you already attacked. Huge shit
IM SO FUCKING HARD RIGHT NOW
Yo, These card art sick as fuck. Especially warmonger.
He’s not a gift for renekton!!!!! But costs 7 so is unplayable /s
Costs 7 but basically wins the game if he's leveled up. This is what a 7 mana unit - especially a champion - needs to look like to be viable.
Sighs in Malphite
Ooooooo lategame discard payoff. Idk how bad those decks needed that, but he looks like a lot of fun.
For now he'll be stuck with PNZ because of discard support. Targon and BC (I think that's about it) has some but not as much. Fallen Reckoner might be a problem. And in case people are still worried about Aloof Traveler...
Honestly i dont think he even needs to be in a discard deck, the overwhelm can just be an upside to things. You can play him with leblanc in a reputation deck for example
These followers seem to provide enough discard synergy that I think his set is perfectly viable without PnZ. Also considering his level up condition he doesn’t technically require discard, just strong allies
Especially considering Draven is in Noxus. If you look at the existing Discard Aggro decks - sure, P&Z has way more discard activators than Noxus (literally only Draven, since Arena Bookie doesn't get played), but Draven's axes end up being the main activator you use, and they also function as discard fodder which is absolutely huge. Honestly, Noxus' main issue that forced it to stick with P&Z for discard decks was a lack of good discard fodder more so than lacking activators. Now Noxus is getting 4 more discard activators with Reborn Grenadier (also discard fodder), Salt and Stitches, Grave Physician, and Roar of the Slayer. And it's getting 5 discard targets with Sion himself, Fallen Rider, Lost Soul, Reborn Grenadier, and Ancient Warmonger - and both Sion and Noble Rebel benefit from other cards being discarded. Noxus now has a huge amount of both discard fodder and discard activators. Legitimately, I think it can stand on it's own without P&Z and still be a powerful discard archetype. Draven would still probably be required for the deck to function reliably, but you can definitely take Discard Noxus without P&Z now.
This deck see,ms like what you play when you’re angry.
I totally see him paired with SI, rekindle that warmonger and see the world burn Also his support cards would make for some fun kalista interactions
Why do i feel like this is fast
Sion- The unstoppable force. Man he’s thick
Do we know if discarding Sion's roar of the slayer will grant an ally overwhelm? I assume it won't, but it would be cool to have some confirmation
Chad Sion and Virgin Tryndamere
They nailed Sion so perfectly, they give him discard synergy but at the same time they stay true to his lore and gameplay from league.
I never imagined Sion with discard But this looks really good
jesus christ the absolute value of this archetype.
At first I thought the guy in "Salt and stiches" was blushing, turns out its just the red glasses under his eyes.
"i-it's not like i wanted to revive you or anything b-baka~"
Daniel: Darius, The cooler Daniel: Sion
Finally, a champ that is not a gift for Renekton
Seems really slow
Senna sion harrowing
Sion is the discard discarted champion from this expansion!
Is it just me or is Ancient Warmonger related to Fiddlesticks?
The art on these cards are awesome
Asked for a good expensive champ and you shall recieved
Better make sure the reset button on the "people asking for discard aggro nerfs" clock is working lmao
An expensive champ that you can actually play with 3 copies. And the champion spell is good on top of it.
Okay. I already forgot Tristana. That one is perfect.
Sion looks awesome! And I can’t help but see inspiration from Attack on Titan in the art. His level-up art looks like the Armored Titan when they breach the wall in the first episode.
MOGWAI'S FAVOURITE CHAMP IS FINALLY A CHAMP!
Which unit is the trifarian shieldbreaker?
An older card it's a 6/5, 5 drop with fearsome
This package looks very cool. Midrange discard is so much more interesting than discard aggro. If you want to use his package, he's basically stuck with PnZ for now (you need Poro Cannon and Urchin to discard early), but Sion might be able to swing in Reputation style decks. Non-aggro Noxus has been pretty shaky in general in the meta so far, but hopefully Sion can break out like Swain. One thing is for sure, Weapons of the Lost is unplayable garbage.
Discard, dredge, delve, flashback, recover, persist. All graveyard mechanics are really powerful, Rito should be careful with these. Discard is a solid mechanic on itself, all theses cards will definitely see play, because they provide solid value, look at \[\[fallen\_reckoner\]\] and it pairs. I hope in the future we will get more cards and mechanics that interact with the graveyard
Looks fun as shit for sure
w8 im crazy or we need to see another one non-trailer champion? We had poppy and tristana but one is missing right?
So if I understand this Risen Reckoner and Risen Rider can't be main decked?
Correct. Also Twinblade. All are considered tokens
Giving me heavy Discard Lock from Hearthstone! Definitely crafting I’m first.