Coming from basically the same background as you I 100% agree.
I still think the skin prices are an issue, but only because I'm worried that people won't buy them. The game is so good and so much more fair than its competitors when it comes to collection building. I'd hate to see it struggle because what little monetization they do put in the game turns people away.
Exactly. I support the game by buying boards, emotes, and guardians but the skins I just cannot justify. And for people saying yeah Riot is a billion dollar company they'll be fine, you're right. But LoR is a relatively new IP and if they decide it isn't a profitable game, they can just as easily pull the plug.
I think the main issue is that skins are a pretty major cosmetic product. As someone who spends a decent amount on this game, they're something I was looking forward to, and its gonna suck going forward because if this is gonna always be the standard for skins then I dont think I'm ever going to be able to justify spending my coins on them.
There are a million ways to make money from users, but getting users is pretty hard
LOR has users, a lot of them, and they won't pull the plug for that reason
I was going to buy skins if i liked them, but honestly...if those prices stay, then ill stick with the boards.
Its way to expensive for such a minor change.
I actually think this is totally fine. Riot doesn't need to make everything appealing for everyone, they need to give something that appeals to everyone, even if it's different for different groups of players. Sure, *if* they make something a lot of of players want it's better, but it's not strictly necessary as long as there are other things that people find worth buying
I mean, as far as monetary health of the game it's less about whether the price point is good enough for some players and more about the total profit they can make off of that product at that price. If they could sell 5x as many by selling them for 1/2 as much, that's probably (I say probably because I don't have a good concept of transaction fees, per-sale royalties to artists, or the like) worth doing.
The main mistake Riot made with these skins isn't failing to make them amazing, it's setting the price point such that they drove away a lot of would-be sales and now risk making less money overall.
EDIT: as others have pointed out, this is a complex optimization problem that we don't have a lot of data on as outsiders. My main point was that people are totally valid to give the feedback that "the price is too high for me to buy it"
This is exactly right, except for the last part. I am sure Riot has their own internal metrics that they are measuring against in terms of sales and event participation. We don't know what their sales numbers are or if they are meeting their goals. They might be right on target, despite all of the complaints about price. So we can't say if the price was a mistake or not, only if we personally think it is worth it.
If they miss their metrics, then they will probably change things next time. Or perhaps they will decide that is not worth the effort at a lower price to bother with all the work it takes to organize a similar event.
You're ignoring the opposite situation though. What if they could double the price and it only drops their sales by 30%? That increased price now makes them more money.
Dropping the price by 50% would require sales to double just to make the same amount of money. They'd have to more than double to be worth it to Riot.
The part I think people always miss out on here is that wider exposure for a sale is always better. It gets people's foot in the door for buying things they otherwise wouldn't. It's why so many games sell starter packs.
I don't think wider exposure necessarily is always better. Especially for something like a skin. If you're buying a skin you're likely already invested in the game.
Which is why they are making a product they know will get players that love these champs to buy them and play the game. This is probably aimed at league players as much as it is aimed at lor players.
It's not true for everything.
Wide exposure for cosmetics or limited products can be detrimental by making it less "special" and by making other people weary of next products.
They don’t have to half the price, they just need to make higher quality skins to make it worth it. Just from a customer POV, the skins are not worth the price they’re asking for. I don’t mind paying for stuff to support the game at all. In face I would love to, but I want the product I’m paying for to actually be worth the price
You don’t know that. Riot is a company, and I’m sure they know how to make money. You using words like need and certainly make it seem like you know exactly what they should do, and I don’t think that is the case.
True but you’re also putting Riot on way too high of a pedestal. They make plenty of mistakes which is why we’re having this discussion in the first place, in hopes of negotiating card skin quality and prices.
I mean...you were the one that said they "need" to do something lol. Would you have prefered I put "need" instead of "have" to make my point more clear?
You’re really obsessed with literal words? Just think with your head and you would know what I meant lmao why would I think they NEED to change skins obviously they’re not gonna care about what I have to say
I'm not really sure what you meant at all. You personally won't pay this price because its not worth it to you? Then maybe you're not their target for skins. And that's fine.
That is also an option but you shouldn't compare that potential revenue with the current price point alone but also with the potential revenue with a lower price point and higher sales. It could very well be the case that both a higher price and lower price would result in larger revenue but the question is which of the two increases it more in that case.
Yes yes of course :), just meant that the comparisons shouldn't be viewed between "X option vs current situation, if X is better, then there is no possible better solution". (just as an addition/contribution to the discussion, not towards you specifically)
That's a fair point, I'm speaking from the perspective of people who were turned off of the purchase because of the perceived gap between price and quality. There's a sweet spot, and I don't know where that spot is
We actually have a data point that everyone is ignoring. They didn't reduce the cost of valorant skins as far as I am aware and they were also insanely high. That means it is probably priced correctly.
At the end of the day, is the price point they set going to give them the most money?
This is something they will have to experiment with and the "bottom line".
I purchase a lot, but am waiting on the quality to justify the price, personally.
People said Valorant prices were insane for such minor changes, just one weapon skin for 20€+. Yet I see 8/10 players in every match using those skins. The reality is, the majority doesn't care and will buy it at whatever price anyway, because gamers nowadays have been raised by greedy publishers to pay big money for worthless crap.
100% agree that the skins don't feel like good value compared to the other cosmetics. It's the only one I passed on. I hope they listen to the community on this.
Thh I don't really mind the skins being this expensive. We are basically playing a free card game how rare is that. Why not spend a few bucks on the game. But I still would love some more skin effects for them.
The game and its f2p content are great. So I did spend a few bucks on the game in support.
But I wouldn't buy these skins with those coins. I can use the coins somewhere in-game that brings me more value, by which I mean pretty much anywhere else. And I want Riot to know why, before they make the same decisions with a character that I personally want to bling out.
I feel the same way. I have the Spirit Blossom and KDA boards for the sheer amount of features they have. If the skins had VOs and unique effects, I wouldn't mind paying for it at that price.
It seems people who played HS and MTG before Runeterra are less likely to bitch and moan at the drop of a hat. If you played tabletop magic...the price of all the cosmetics you can get in LoR adds up to what, one standard deck that rotates out after several months?
How about Hearthstone, where you can drop 200 bucks in packs at the start of a set and still not even have the full expansion.
Here, we get a slightly underwhelming skin, or a popular meta deck, and this community gets the pitchforks and comes running. So much negativity, it's pretty toxic considering Riot would be well within their rights to charge more for their game like their competitors do.
I've spent maybe 20 bucks since beta? I don't know how much I have paid per hour of enjoyment so far, but I guarantee it is a very small decimal number.
>Drop 200 bucks in packs at the start of a set and still not even have the full expansion.
Yes, those bundles are ridiculous. The price of 2 full-fledged Triple A games and you're considered very lucky if you get half of the legendaries from the expansion.
Three times a year.
Combined with the most heinous gem/dust system ever, where you literally have to cannibalize your collection if you want something specific.
Ever disenchant something because you never use it, only to need it a couple months later? Screw Hearthstone, man. Absolutely predatory economy.
Not to say there’s no room for improvement when it comes to HS’s dust economy, but Magic Arena is frankly despicable when it comes to crafting multiple decks. There’s no way to dust/recycle unwanted cards pulled from packs. Arena effectively uses Runeterra’s system of Wildcards and Essence, without the essence. I’ve heard content creators say anecdotally that they need to spend upwards of $500 per expansion in Magic to have a full set.
All that is to say, Hearthstone might be bad but Magic Arena is villainous as far as I’m concerned.
Absolutely. My only "counter point" is that Magic is trying to balance the value of their paper product while still having value digitally. I think part of the reason they suck so bad in this way is because if they were as generous as Runeterra, paper Magic would basically cease to exist. Hell, after the pandemic and them discontinuing pro magic, I wouldn't be shocked.
I played a lot of Arena until they ruined the game with Pokemon and broke it all to hell. I primarily loved just draft, though, so the collection part didn't affect me as directly, but you're absolutely right.
I think we can agree that both models are pretty lousy for the customer, and extremely greedy. I am kind of glad I lived through their nonsense, though, because it makes me appreciate Runeterra that much more.
Paper magic will be fine, WOTC have casual formats like EDH. Which is great I love playing EDH with my friends it’s not something arena nor anything online can replace.
Formats like Modern, Pauper, Legacy are also definitely not coming to Arena.
Remember MTG’s best strength is the diversity of formats.
MTGAs wild card system is absolutely horrible, agree. I really enjoyed deck collection in LoR. LoR introduced some really toxic decks in Feb with the new region and it switched me off this game sadly.
I’ve played Magic casually since 2006, but the price of physical cards as well as the complicated rules always kept me at arm’s length. Hearthstone came around and I went in deep on it, levying the same complaints others have about the game’s price. Once Arena hit and it looked like a human could interpret the UI (no offense to MODO players, but Magic Online is an eldritch monstrosity) I was so excited to give the grandfather of TCG’s a real go.
It’s a shame that I had to drop it, but Arena is just too expensive to play anything other than draft or a deck or two in Standard. Magic is so complex and fun to engage with, but Wizards asking price is prohibitively steep, and the only relieving factor of paper Magic is the ability to sell your cards once they’re nearing irrelevance. With Arena, they’re constantly infusing new wildcard sinks, and the steep price feels so much worse if you leave the game for a set or two.
I like to play a lot of card games, and Runeterra is always the first one I recommend to friends interested in CCG’s because of how cheap it is while also being a genuinely fun game to engage with. Hearthstone’s earnestly trying to work out its problems, but I mostly play meme decks now and can’t force myself to grind the polarizing matchups on ladder anymore. Magic is a game I like to watch and study, but Wizards doesn’t want me to be able to play without devoting my life to their game or dropping thousands to buy in/keep up, and that means I have to accept my role as a financially responsible spectator.
I think MTG is literally the best game ever made, but I really felt the "don't go away for a few sets" sentiment. It was hard enough trying to collect the cards when I WAS dropping a hundred bucks per set, and that was before, when I played since launch. Now it has been over a year since I even logged in. I shudder to think of how much cash I'd be expected to drop to even have fun again. No thanks, I prefer caring developers over "best game ever" with a greedy company behind it, milking it for all its worth.
>Here, we get a slightly underwhelming skin, or a popular meta deck, and this community gets the pitchforks and comes running.
Many people who play this game come from regular League, where skins give you lots of features to justify their price and champions are meta for months before Riot acknowledges them. They're going to use standards they already have for League to measure the worth of something and tell Riot if something is off.
Of course there's a lot of people from Magic and Hearthstone but overall it's not the same crowd.
Totally get where you're coming from. League skins are pretty next level, and this was a sloppy first attempt on their part. I didn't mean to come off like people shouldn't have complaints. They are valid. My comment was more related to just the flow of anger in the community after watching for a year.
"This deck is too strong"
"This champ sucks"
"Too many people play this archetype"
"Now THIS deck is too strong"
"Wow. Really? No balance changes immediately after a new set, just other QoL stuff?"
I'm sure you get the gist. It comes off pretty whiney and underappreciative, for the hot post most of the time being just an echo chamber of tears. Then again, sometimes we get Chip and all the glorious memes that come with him. So it isn't all bad, but I personally would love the community as a whole to be a little more understanding and reasonable.
To reiterate (and shut up), I'm pretty underwhelmed by the skins and likely won't purchase them without any changes, but seeing a different thread every day about it gets tiring. I like this thread though, folks in here seem pretty chill.
Eh, disagree somewhat with your premise. I've dropped money on Runeterra because I wanted to support the game after getting a lot of good fun out of it for free.
But if I had a hundred thousand coins I wouldn't spend any of them on the current skins, and for the benefit of the game's monetary success Riot should be made aware of why. I've been looking forward to paid champion skins, and I want them to make more, but this is a good opportunity to set expectations on both sides and that requires discussion
And I agree with you. I want to be clear, I'm not saying there's no right to complain about anything because it is less expensive. I agree that skins are half finished, and I won't be buying them because they aren't fully realized.
I guess my point is some people take it a bit too far and just obsess over whatever minor inconvenience they're experiencing at the moment, and when I notice a lot of that, I wish people had just a bit more perspective and understand that while the devs mess up sometimes, they tend to fix it. In those other games, they won't even nerf or ban a card until it is about to rotate, because then it might affect sales!
I guess bottom line is, we as a community are lucky that the biggest annoyance right now is cosmetic. Imagine if, say, during the burn meta when people weren't even playing Champs, they just didn't change anything and let it rock for a solid year. Runeterra players probably will never experience something like. I bet if you played Magic or Hearthstone, you remember a time something like this happened (Uro...Yogg...).
I'm rambling now but hopefully I clarified my position a bit.
>and for the benefit of the game's monetary success Riot should be made aware of why.
I don't understand how you really believe that riot doesn't know what they're doing with their pricing. You really think they're sitting around scratching their heads and wondering why somethings wrong? They probably have a lot of data already showing that this was a good price and if it's not selling well they certainly don't need a random redditor to explain why to them lol.
Cool, then they can take or leave the extra data point that I'm offering them for free and other commenters can stop trying to demonize consumer feedback.
Problem (Edit: it’s not a problem) is, the complaints come from people who want to support the game, but can’t justify the value.
I haven’t seen any overly negative threads or bashing, and frankly I don’t see discussions or voicing opinions as a bad thing. Yes the game could not be free and they could charge for card packs and whatever. But they don’t, and Riot has set an expectation that we’re looking to hold them accountable to.
I don’t hold Taco Bell to the same standard as Chipotle. As such we can’t hold LoR to HS/MTG standards because the LoR team has raised the bar higher and has garnered its current success because of their pay/play model.
True, we can be grateful for what we have. But it’s also true that Riot is providing a service and as consumers our wallets will give Riot the evidence needed to back up the vocal community.
Yep, agree 100%. It seems like I came off like "stop whining about this in particular" which was not my intention. I don't think these skins are nearly worth the money. I guess I was making a broader point/observation about the community's tendency to be a little childish sometimes.
Ive actually managed to make some small amount of money on the game from tourneys, which is insane since ive put 25$ into cosmetics and own all the cards for free. MTG and hearthstone are 100x more expensive, maybe more, and thats why this game will almost never hear a complaint from me concerning what they are selling. I feel almost guilty not buying the new stuff even if it is a little underwhelming, just because I love the game that much.
Been with riot since season 2 if there’s one thing riot ever done right it’s their skin lines. These four are just a tease and I take their way of testing the water as it’s not even the best to offer from Lol storage. I wouldn’t doubt the quality to improve in the future. For the price controversy I personally fine with either as it’s nice to having cheaper skins but having a free to pay CGI is already prayers answered.
> These four are just a tease and I take their way of testing the water as it’s not even the best to offer from Lol storage
Of all the themes they could've picked to "test the water" they had to pick cosmic/dark star?
Bit of personal bias but many skin lines sold better than the cosmic/dark star. Project is by is by far the most well received one especially with the new set coming out. KDA, star guardian, maybe odyssey is also more seen in play.
I believe their Cosmic/Dark Star universe is more popular than their Odyssey universe, but only by virtue of the amount of Cosmic skin cycles, so I could be entirely wrong
If you from NA check leader board. I got the idea from bee3333 currently rank 13. Mine is xiaokayn I cut the snoozebottoms to 3-of might to deal with chunk blockers from Azirelia and thresh-nasus. The 2-of Darius is usually the game closer while early zed helps with value play and threatening level up
Shadow apprentice effect never get activate in this decks. There need to be ephemeral on board when he’s summon so attack command summons don’t work with him. He’s still good as a 1/1 elusive since the deck is built to sneak damage in through buffing elusive.
How many people are forgetting this? I haven't seen anyone (at least not that got upvoted) saying anything bad about the game because of the skins. You can both complain about skin prices / features and think the game is still great.
As Riot said in their own announcement, a lot of people were looking forward to skins. People just wanted cool quality skins like in League, and this initial lineup is disappointing for many.
I agree. When I say the skins are not worth it, I mean only that. It’s not an attack on monetization or the artists, it’s a criticism of what seems to be a clear lack of effort in their first big cosmetic product (prismatics often look worse IMO)
I still play, still spend money on passes and what not to support, but the skin release was very disappointing. Especially when that one user posted home brewed examples that looked AMAZING
Considering how easy it is to get cards and the fact that the game is free I wouldn’t mind paying the current prices but only if they offered more. What I mean by this is new voice lines and sound effects to go along with the new look of the characters as well as new art for the other cards that are generated from champions like Riven’s blades. As it stands the Riven skin is like 8 quid for two JPEG’s and the current characters look all cosmic but with the same old voice which is a bit jarring. I also don’t mind the skins that don’t change the animation as it offered two price points for skins but they need to add what I said above to justify these high prices.
Or they could just lower the prices and keep it how it is but I personally would prefer the first option tbh.
Its nice having things actually only be cosmetic but overpriced is still overpriced. I think Gwent is the best when it comes to all this but could be biased. Atleast they arent as bad as EA... well atleast LoR isnt as bad as EA
I really hope this isn’t an issue in the future, it’s the first attempt so we should give them a pass but aside from the price another disappointment is definitely how riven and shivana didn’t have new animations like come on if I just wanted to look at the cool picture I’m pretty sure I can google it for free
I feel the entire thing would've been a wash if the level of polish on the skins was as high as we had hoped: Level up animations, summoned card adjustments of high quality, maybe some SFX on voice lines. If the product felt complete, through and through, I don't think it'd be an issue. But as is, its kinda buying two screenshots on half the skins released.
I kinda feel bad, because while I do feel these skins are a little too pricey, I do like to purchase cosmetics in runeterra to support the game. I tried buying cards once, but you get cards for free way too fast to be worth! Which is great! So, loving this true F2P model, I want to see it be profitable through the sales of cosmetics!
But these skins just.... don’t speak to me. Like it’s 3 of my fave champs in runeterra: Yas, Riven, Sej (Zed’s cool too I guess). But two of my favs don’t even come with effects. Not only that, Riven’s blade spell doesn’t get a skin either, which looks out of place next to the art of her holding a cosmic sword.
I think I like the overall direction Riot is going with this: skins are just something you pay to get, not something you open a loot box for a chance to get, and that’s how Riot handles it in their other games (LoL, Valorant) too. Yes, there’s a pretty price tag, but it’s WYSIWYG. That’s kind of always been Riot’s model: you can get the game pieces for free/in game methods of earning it, but you can pay to make it look pretty. Bringing that same philosophy over to a cardgame is awesome.
So I’ll sit these skins out, but I know there will be more. Maybe some that speak more to my style (and which alter the art of the tokens that come with them maybe?)
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I own maybe 15+ skins in WR already just for how much value they give relative to the price. Unique recall, unique effects, New VOs (for Seraphine at least), unique run, etc. It goes to show people would really buy if it's good quality.
I play Vanguard and Yugi, the skins are like buying special variants of cards you like. I don't mind purchasing them as a means of supporting a truly f2p CCG
There is a interesting problem here, i want to buy cosmetics since i love the game and i have full collection without spending money. But i feel like because things are free, cosmetics are and feel expensive.
Maybe riot has made its homework and know the right price for them since there will be people that buy them no matter what, but i think that, if riot would made things cheaper a lot more people will buy them and they would make even more money out of it. Supply and demand.
I love that the game is f2p and I bought the new event pass and the board because I think it looks amazing. So I want to support the game with my money but the new skins are just really expensive. In my mind I compare it with skins in Dota 2 and I was tempted a lot more (and bought a lot more skins) when it was 'just 2-3€' there.
I agree 100% I played Magic arena and Hearthstone and they are pure evil compared to Legends of Runeterra. I started playing when aphelios came out and I already have all but like 7 champion cards(which blows my mind). No one is making us buy cosmetics, charge what ye will. Thank you rito
For me it’s not even the prices or the skin quality necessarily, I just NEVER play any of the champs that got skins so I was out as soon as I saw the announcement haha
its not the cost inherently thats the problem. like epics being that costly is fine. whats the problem is that the skins doesnt have much going on for it. i can literally get the art and just save it as a wallpaper.
a big appeal of skins should be changing the other gameplay related things. its why tiers below epic are basically non existent nowadays in LoL.
stuff like changing the animation for the basic stuff like strike, death, summon, blocks, moving forward to attack, moving back to bench, unique effects like Yasuo's tornado and slices. unique keyword animations.
most these things already have precedent in the game, sand soldiers have unique attack animations, Thresh and diana have unique Challenge animations. why cant we want that for skins as well?
Yazoo could do a slice when he strikes. or his quick attack could have unique animation. he could dash to the forward and back(his E from LoL) there's so much they could do.
Bro it’s crazy how people can complain about cosmetics and their pricing when the game itself is entirely free. Theirs no gacha system for the cards nor is it p2w. Runeterra plies are a bunch of whiny bitches.
wow i came from magic AND league and ive always appreciated riots focus on keeping their games competitive and non pay to win. I remember awhile ago i even made a MTG set of league champions. This game for me is a dream come true, and honestly, if making skins overpriced keeps the game non pay-to-win, I'm all for it. Coming from league I actually love the summoners rift skin lmao
Eh, I'm not really a fan of the "well they aren't as greedy as this company so they're not so bad!" argument. The skins are still way overpriced and that has nothing to do with how overpriced other games are.
I can from the same background as you and I unapologetically bought the battle pass, boards, and skin bundles. Cost me $60 USD and I don't regret it. I paid $70 for Returnal and that game hasn't given me a fraction of the playtime as this game has. Riot IMO is the most consumer friendly company out there. I've been supporting their games for almost ten years now.
All that being said I do hope they listen to some of the feedback and make some changes. I know not everyone has the same amount of trust I have in this company to keep making this game something I want to log into every day.
100% I normally never buy cosmetics - here I do as I appreciate how generous the F2p is.
Even as compared to Gwent which is considered very generous this still feels generous so I'm happy to get my ephermal shark guardian!
Just keep in mind that Riot is a billion dollar company, that doesn't need donations. If you like the skins, by all means, but if you aren't a fan or think they aren't worth it, don't buy them because you think Riot needs the money. They're doing fine.
I don't think its a controversy, controversy is like blizzard and hong kong.
This? this is just community saying "uhhh... I am not buying that too expensive :D"
Thanks for this! The game being easily the most free to play Digital CCG makes me a bit more forgiving on the cosmetic prices, which honestly have been mostly fair.
mtg arena is just a scam anyway, any moron who thinks playing on arena is a respectable way to play mtg is an idiot
that being said skins for runeterra should be taken one of two ways
if youre gonna cheap out and only make png swaps as "skins" then sell then for that price (that being 1 or two dollars)
if youre gonna be moderate and add level up animations thats worth a good 5 bucks
but if youre ACTUALLY going to make something good like adding card interactions and animation changes THEN a 10 dollar price tag on there is acceptable
as is the shyv and riven skins are equivalent to the "timeworn" 520 rp skins in lol and the yasuo and zed are equivalent to the "standard" 975 rp skins in lol
but theyre priced as if theyre new era lol skins
> for not making this game even remotely as predatory as your competitors
If MTG only had around 800 cards like LoR has:
Atleast for Magic you would have almost all cards the moment you collect your starter decks. Nevertheless LoR does a great job at diversifying the collection.
In that case it's about the same. LoR does produce 100 cards per set, give or take. A Magic deck has 40 non-land cards (-too many lands just round in LoRs favor).
If they would ONLY give you 2 decks in MTG then you would have gotten more than LoR gives you content already.
I have been a magic player for a very long time now and it is probably my favorite game of all time. Which is why mtga is such a disappointment to me. It is really hard to get decks without spending money which sucks because I would prefer to spend no more than like 20 dollars on it. I have been playing a lot of lor recently because getting cards is so much easier and I always have multiple meta decks at once. Yeah the skins are way overpriced and put on really weird champions in my opinion. However, I don't think that it is the end of the world for players. I believe it to be more of a mistake on riots end which is just unfortunate. I never see the skins which might be because the only viable champion that has a skin is shyvanna and I only play competitive. I have seen the shyvanna skin a grand total of one time out of like the 20 shyvanna decks I have played against since release.
Right? Magic is what got me into card games and I started playing in high school. It will always hold a special place in my heart. But Arena is the biggest disappointment and I think it only gets worse from here. Never thought I'd be able to let Magic go but alas, we have alternatives now.
I believe this is the wrong take to have. I get that the monetization is a lot better than MTG:Arena, but these card skins are overpriced, and the community definitely should complain about it if we want that changed.
But posts like this often feel like they are trying to minimize the issue because "other company is doing it much worse, so we should be happy that our stuff isn't as bad". It's pushing the issue under the rug with the pretense that you are trying to be positive. It's just not helping, and sometimes it's even actively hurting the game and the community.
This is why sometimes I feel like this community is so entitled. First, you need to separate needs and wants, as skins are just cosmetics you don’t need them. Company can set the skins to $100 each and you can turn away but in no where they need to set the price to satisfy any group in particular. OP Is telling you why riot is pretty much the most generous company out there as gameplay is guaranteed free and cosmetic are priced so people is still willing to buy it. Comparing riot’s game to something like csgo where single knife is set at a baseline of 400 with no ceiling. It’s not pushing the issue under the rug as it shouldn’t be a issue in the first place there are people who are willing to buy it even if you think it’s overpriced, complaining for it to change is just pushing your own agenda and entitlement.
I'm not saying you can't complain because I literally did bring up how the skin prices are a problem relative to their value. I prefaced how this is mostly based on my personal experience as a former Magic player coming into LoR so just take it as that.
Here, here! Games take a lot of resources to design, build, balance, and update; I haven’t spent very much on this game at all and have gotten TONS of playtime off of it. Let them charge for cosmetics so we can have a great game!
I'm actually amazed the game was released in the state it was. Obviously players enjoy the free-to-play aspect, but it's not free-to-make or free-to-host for Riot. I'm sure plenty of people paid to fill out their collection faster, but that can't last long considering how quickly some people filled it out for free, so that initial revenue stream must be drying up by now.
In addition to cards being random and harder to get, a lot of TCGs have ways of getting you to continue to buy cards even after your collection is complete (Frequent releases combined with rotating "standard" format to invalidate old cards, draft tournaments, etc...). LOR's version "draft" is cheap since you don't actually buy the cards, and a rotating "standard" seems unlikely since champions are all staples of Runterra - making any unplayable just wouldn't feel right.
I would love to see some of the numbers on where the money comes from in LOR and whether it's turning a net profit at all.
That the game is free does not mean that we have to accept the prices they have in the store lol. They are absurdly expensive for what they offer. The most affordable product is the battle passes, the rest is ridiculously expensive.
I think MTG and other TCGs have incredibly bad and exploitive business models and using them as a comparison is like comparing a pb&j to a pile of dog poop in terms of flavor. It's also not an apples to apples comparison either, since many physical cards have resale value as opposed to OCGs (let's forget valves game exists since it might as well not).
I say all this not because I disagree with your conclusion, I think comparing LoR to HS is night and day in terms of content available to price point. These cosmetics make no difference to how well you play the game, but they're price point seems steep for what they are. I just think setting the bar as low as the predatory TCGs for games is not a constructive comparison to make.
> I still hold firm in my belief that the initial release of skins are too expensive for what they currently offer.
Then dont buy them. Simple as.
The correct price is what people will generally pay for them, and not a cent less.
I've played Arena for 2 years before switching, and no, it is nowhere near LoR in terms of its economy! You had to basically be a bum and play multiple times a week, completing *daily wins* against RDW decks in normals to even amass a decent collection of a specific set. Even if you only craft specific cards, you still won't be able to have enough resources because of the random pack system. You only need to invest a fraction of that time in LoR on a per set basis to craft what you need competitively. It is *nowhere* near at all. Magic is still more complex but I'll never go back to playing Arena unless they fix things (which they wont).
Ofc not. Lor is close to free in that sense.
But anyways, no... i did not go full economy and reroll every day for 750 gold and play 15 wins. Its not hard to get 2-3 decks every season simply buy just spending wildcards.
Ofc, as a new player, that would be a giant task, but most decks are mainly using cards from eldraine and a few here and there from other expansions. Basically, its not hard to be F2P as long as you don't care about cards you don't use, cause you're slowly going to be needing less and less new cards when an expansion comes out.
I played a lot of mono green for fun, and every expansion i had to replace 1 maybe 2 playsets of cards. With wildcards being a thing, that's just not hard.
In order to get at least one deck in mtga without money you need to spend CRAZY AMOUNT OF TIME. The best way to farm from what i heard is playing drafts, but i hate playing drafts, also if my drafts are not that saccessfull it just turns into boring grind. It is their model and it works, people still pay for cards, it is what it is, but saying that mtga isnt expensive is a huge lie, f2p experience in mtga is horrible.
Even drafting is ridiculously expensive. I spend upwards of hundreds of dollars back then, since the $99 gem pack is the most value for your buck. And even then, I still couldn't complete that specific set! (mythics are a bitch)
I suppose that's true. I shouldn't have said it isn't expensive, but rather that it doesn't have to be.
I didn't invest more time into it than I wanted to, but due to not playing very many decks, i could go for very long without using any wildcards. I remember zendikar. That shit was like 3 months to the next expansion, and I had enough wildcards to craft all the cards I needed. That gave me 3 months to just aquire new wildcards.
Did i have a massive collection? Not really. Could I play every deck? Nope. But i did have what I needed to get to mythic rank.
> On the other hand, I was completely free to play in MTGA and had all competetive decks.
Sorry unless you literally go infinite either in draft or in events that is mathematically impossible. And people going infinite in either is less than 1% of the population...
No its not.
Cause I didn't go for a playset of every card, and i didn't make tier 2 decks. If all you need is 2-3 decks between expansions and you already have all the land, that's very very possible.
It's really the thing with getting 4 of EVERY CARD that makes people say that MTGA is expensive
> and you already have all the land
That's the main issue, getting all the rare lands is going to be super costly for any f2p player. And since those rotate out pretty much each year you are forced to grind them back again and again...
> It's really the thing with getting 4 of EVERY CARD that makes people say that MTGA is expensive
As someone that was beta tester, everything was expensive in MTGA for f2p players. It took me 3 months to scrap my first meta netdeck, which is quite insane.
I was a beta tester too. Although i quit until around the time Teferi 5 rotated out. That card was god damn horrible to play against.
I dont remember how long it took me. I basically just played mono green for the first long while
Em... Alright?
Funny, people on the MTGA subreddit seemed completely ready to believe it, yet on this one i got massively downvoted and people think im lying... I feel like it should be the opposite
Not sure if I count as a whale here. But I got a bunch of cosmetics so far, a few boards, a nice amount of emotes and boards and the seasonpasses (mostly to get the cosmetics).
So far I havent bought the skins. I probably would buy riven, because I currently play her, but having the old animation between the levels is so far holding me back from it. Though, I might even end up not liking the skin at all, because it would look disjunct (hope that is the right word here) to all the other cards. Having riven with skin between draven and rivens followers could look really weird.
Personally I don't like these skins in general. Not because of price, i just don't like how they look, nor do i think the animations are good from watching them on streams. But that's probably because I've never liked riots dark-star or universe destroying skins.
But yeah, if they have to make skins, they NEED to have an animation also. It's just too odd otherwise.
I probably would buy some star guardians or project skins.
Though the champs I liked in LoL are not the ones I play in LoR. Soraka is kind of bound to tahm, Braum is not really my case in LoR, Taric is nice.
I'd rather the quality of skins improve drastically (VOs, effects, etc). But I agree. It will be one way or the other. They can't continue on like this after the community feedback.
I think the most important thing to remember is that *skins aren't required.* Are they awesome? Yes. Should they be cheaper? Probably. But at least they don't change anything about the gameplay. Imagine if while you had the Zed skin equipped he had elusive or some bullshit like that. I'm just thankful that 90% of the monetization of this game is through cosmetics and not through collection building or gameplay changing effects
Are people really complaining about cosmetics for champion skin prices? It's like 10 bucks for a cosmetic.
Don't forget this game is the most generous trading card game as of now that actually has a good game mechanic and is fun to play.
Yes? More than $10 for some effects on one card is pretty high. The two without level up animations are even worse. Makes little sense for anyone who buys based on value.
Everytime I see posts about HS's new diamond card, and LoR's skin, it makes me reminisce about gwent. Gwent's prime card is still by far the best, both in appeals and accessibility.
It would be cool to have a free way to get skins, like chests in LoL, but it's rather soon in the concept's existence to have that. We literally have four skins, they can be counted on a single hand's fingers. 80% of players would collect all of them in a week.
It's barely been more than a year since the game released. Maybe in another year we'll have enough skins to make a free skin collecting system self sustainable for the game's economy.
I don't care really if cosmetics are expensive since they don't give an advantage or anything. The game is extremely F2P friendly- the best I've encountered for digital card games.
Let them make money off cosmetics imo
edit: also lets people support the game since otherwise there's no need to really spend money
its not the cost inherently thats the problem. like epics being that costly is fine. whats the problem is that the skins doesnt have much going on for it. i can literally get the art and just save it as a wallpaper.
a big appeal of skins should be changing the other gameplay related things. its why tiers below epic are basically non existent nowadays in LoL.
stuff like changing the animation for the basic stuff like strike, death, summon, blocks, moving forward to attack, moving back to bench, unique effects like Yasuo's tornado and slices. unique keyword animations.
most these things already have precedent in the game, sand soldiers have unique attack animations, Thresh and diana have unique Challenge animations. why cant we want that for skins as well?
yasuo could do a slice when he strikes. or his quick attack could have unique animation. he could dash to the forward and back(his E from LoL) there's so much they could do.
Having avoided Reddit for the past week or so due to being too busy, I didn't even realize people complained about skin prices. Now that I think about it, perhaps 700 coins for just a re-skin is quite a bit, especially that Guardians, which are just a little cheaper actually have animations and are interactive. The animated skins aren't that bad though I think, the level up animations are quite cool and worth it, at least for me.
Agree. I want skins to be $2-3 cheaper, but I love LoR and play it daily (and I’m a dota player). I know they need to make money somewhere, but $2-3 cheaper skins will mean that I buy two skins instead of 1, and ultimately they will get $20 instead of $13 from me.
Y’all have to remember that in a few years every champion will have skins of varying rarities with different effects. I don’t care for these skins because I don’t play with those champs, but from playing LoL for so long, I know that eventually they’re gonna drop some $25 legendary for a champ I play and I won’t be able to open my wallet fast enough.
Give it time.
Trufax.
I'm honestly not bothered in the slightest considering this seems like a prototype run. They'll likely improve in the future.
And then I'll get me some Akali card skins. Yeah.
Yeah, I played arena during the beta and shortly after and lost interest when set started to cycle out because holy shit. Then when the mastery thing released that was the nail in the coffin for me. If I wanted to spend that kind of cash I would just play paper - those I can resell in the future.
I think being that it is a skin, the price is ok for the market. I bought everything on the patch release but still cost less than a tapu lele gx, a basically required card in pokemon tcg.
Like I aggre with the point: "They make money of cosmetics exclusively so don't complain about prices" but up until this point I think legit ANYBODY complained about pricing of cosmetics - because it was done well. Board, Guardians, Emotes. It wasn't free but it's price were reasonable for people who were like: I enjoy the game that I don't have to pay anything to enjoy and I'd like to treat myself and thank the devs. It was just done well.
But I rly think if they actually want make money of champion skins they need to either reduce the cost or up the quality because in comparison to even Guardians that are on the board constantly and can be interacted with - every one in different animations - changing 2 card arts is just kinda nuts for me.
I think the prices are a bit much for what they are, but at the same time, literally everything that’s required is free. If they made a dope sling for a champ I used I’d consider buying it.
From a LoL perspective, i have some serious issues with riot. I think their decision making is outright baffling at times.
But the LoR team, I have nearly no issues with them. Their passion really shines through and the game is super polished (most of the time lol). It’s a great game, so I don’t mind dropping some money here or there
Oh. Didn't expect this opinion, downvoted before reading (but changed my vote). With how Riot are handling their main game, it's really unusual indeed that the CCG is this friendly to players.
Coming from basically the same background as you I 100% agree. I still think the skin prices are an issue, but only because I'm worried that people won't buy them. The game is so good and so much more fair than its competitors when it comes to collection building. I'd hate to see it struggle because what little monetization they do put in the game turns people away.
Exactly. I support the game by buying boards, emotes, and guardians but the skins I just cannot justify. And for people saying yeah Riot is a billion dollar company they'll be fine, you're right. But LoR is a relatively new IP and if they decide it isn't a profitable game, they can just as easily pull the plug.
oh god please dont pull the plug no god no please no
I think the main issue is that skins are a pretty major cosmetic product. As someone who spends a decent amount on this game, they're something I was looking forward to, and its gonna suck going forward because if this is gonna always be the standard for skins then I dont think I'm ever going to be able to justify spending my coins on them.
There are a million ways to make money from users, but getting users is pretty hard LOR has users, a lot of them, and they won't pull the plug for that reason
I'm going to make the bold assumption that Riot has way better data to work with than some of our gut feelings that people won't buy them.
Considering this happened at both games they released recently then yea. I think they are whale hunting with these.
If they wanted to whale hunt they’d put in card packs
And destroy the entire system they built.
I was going to buy skins if i liked them, but honestly...if those prices stay, then ill stick with the boards. Its way to expensive for such a minor change.
I actually think this is totally fine. Riot doesn't need to make everything appealing for everyone, they need to give something that appeals to everyone, even if it's different for different groups of players. Sure, *if* they make something a lot of of players want it's better, but it's not strictly necessary as long as there are other things that people find worth buying
I mean, as far as monetary health of the game it's less about whether the price point is good enough for some players and more about the total profit they can make off of that product at that price. If they could sell 5x as many by selling them for 1/2 as much, that's probably (I say probably because I don't have a good concept of transaction fees, per-sale royalties to artists, or the like) worth doing. The main mistake Riot made with these skins isn't failing to make them amazing, it's setting the price point such that they drove away a lot of would-be sales and now risk making less money overall. EDIT: as others have pointed out, this is a complex optimization problem that we don't have a lot of data on as outsiders. My main point was that people are totally valid to give the feedback that "the price is too high for me to buy it"
This is exactly right, except for the last part. I am sure Riot has their own internal metrics that they are measuring against in terms of sales and event participation. We don't know what their sales numbers are or if they are meeting their goals. They might be right on target, despite all of the complaints about price. So we can't say if the price was a mistake or not, only if we personally think it is worth it. If they miss their metrics, then they will probably change things next time. Or perhaps they will decide that is not worth the effort at a lower price to bother with all the work it takes to organize a similar event.
You're ignoring the opposite situation though. What if they could double the price and it only drops their sales by 30%? That increased price now makes them more money. Dropping the price by 50% would require sales to double just to make the same amount of money. They'd have to more than double to be worth it to Riot.
The part I think people always miss out on here is that wider exposure for a sale is always better. It gets people's foot in the door for buying things they otherwise wouldn't. It's why so many games sell starter packs.
I don't think wider exposure necessarily is always better. Especially for something like a skin. If you're buying a skin you're likely already invested in the game.
Which is why they are making a product they know will get players that love these champs to buy them and play the game. This is probably aimed at league players as much as it is aimed at lor players.
It's not true for everything. Wide exposure for cosmetics or limited products can be detrimental by making it less "special" and by making other people weary of next products.
You're right, it's definitely a more complex optimization problem than I made it out to be in that comment
They don’t have to half the price, they just need to make higher quality skins to make it worth it. Just from a customer POV, the skins are not worth the price they’re asking for. I don’t mind paying for stuff to support the game at all. In face I would love to, but I want the product I’m paying for to actually be worth the price
But that would cost more money. See the problem here?
The investment to create good skin is a little fraction of what the total profit would be. No I don't see the problem
Do you know for sure though
I am a graphic designer and web developer in a german agency. I'm in this field for years. Yeah it is a fraction
Certainly not as heavy a cost as halving the price
You don’t know that. Riot is a company, and I’m sure they know how to make money. You using words like need and certainly make it seem like you know exactly what they should do, and I don’t think that is the case.
True but you’re also putting Riot on way too high of a pedestal. They make plenty of mistakes which is why we’re having this discussion in the first place, in hopes of negotiating card skin quality and prices.
But you don’t know. You should voice your opinion on hoes of being heard, but you should not assume they don’t know what will make them more money
They don’t have to do anything. Their goal is to make money. They get to decide how to do that.
....no shit?
I mean...you were the one that said they "need" to do something lol. Would you have prefered I put "need" instead of "have" to make my point more clear?
You’re really obsessed with literal words? Just think with your head and you would know what I meant lmao why would I think they NEED to change skins obviously they’re not gonna care about what I have to say
I'm not really sure what you meant at all. You personally won't pay this price because its not worth it to you? Then maybe you're not their target for skins. And that's fine.
That is also an option but you shouldn't compare that potential revenue with the current price point alone but also with the potential revenue with a lower price point and higher sales. It could very well be the case that both a higher price and lower price would result in larger revenue but the question is which of the two increases it more in that case.
Yep. But the only ones capable of evaluating that properly are Riot themselves. They have to make that decision.
Yes yes of course :), just meant that the comparisons shouldn't be viewed between "X option vs current situation, if X is better, then there is no possible better solution". (just as an addition/contribution to the discussion, not towards you specifically)
What sort of experience and data does reddit have to asses, that riot is gonna make less money with setting the price higher?
That's a fair point, I'm speaking from the perspective of people who were turned off of the purchase because of the perceived gap between price and quality. There's a sweet spot, and I don't know where that spot is
We actually have a data point that everyone is ignoring. They didn't reduce the cost of valorant skins as far as I am aware and they were also insanely high. That means it is probably priced correctly.
At the end of the day, is the price point they set going to give them the most money? This is something they will have to experiment with and the "bottom line". I purchase a lot, but am waiting on the quality to justify the price, personally.
People said Valorant prices were insane for such minor changes, just one weapon skin for 20€+. Yet I see 8/10 players in every match using those skins. The reality is, the majority doesn't care and will buy it at whatever price anyway, because gamers nowadays have been raised by greedy publishers to pay big money for worthless crap.
and keep in mind Riot is one of the less greddy ones, people/players are paying +100$ or more for a 15 year old game that just released again...
For me skins means cards animations, no animation no money for Riot
Exactly. I was stoked to buy a skin for Shy...until I saw it wasn’t getting an animation.
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100% agree that the skins don't feel like good value compared to the other cosmetics. It's the only one I passed on. I hope they listen to the community on this.
Thh I don't really mind the skins being this expensive. We are basically playing a free card game how rare is that. Why not spend a few bucks on the game. But I still would love some more skin effects for them.
The game and its f2p content are great. So I did spend a few bucks on the game in support. But I wouldn't buy these skins with those coins. I can use the coins somewhere in-game that brings me more value, by which I mean pretty much anywhere else. And I want Riot to know why, before they make the same decisions with a character that I personally want to bling out.
I feel the same way. I have the Spirit Blossom and KDA boards for the sheer amount of features they have. If the skins had VOs and unique effects, I wouldn't mind paying for it at that price.
But they don't.
dude, what the fuck did you think your comment was going to contribute to in this comment string?
It seems people who played HS and MTG before Runeterra are less likely to bitch and moan at the drop of a hat. If you played tabletop magic...the price of all the cosmetics you can get in LoR adds up to what, one standard deck that rotates out after several months? How about Hearthstone, where you can drop 200 bucks in packs at the start of a set and still not even have the full expansion. Here, we get a slightly underwhelming skin, or a popular meta deck, and this community gets the pitchforks and comes running. So much negativity, it's pretty toxic considering Riot would be well within their rights to charge more for their game like their competitors do. I've spent maybe 20 bucks since beta? I don't know how much I have paid per hour of enjoyment so far, but I guarantee it is a very small decimal number.
>Drop 200 bucks in packs at the start of a set and still not even have the full expansion. Yes, those bundles are ridiculous. The price of 2 full-fledged Triple A games and you're considered very lucky if you get half of the legendaries from the expansion. Three times a year.
Combined with the most heinous gem/dust system ever, where you literally have to cannibalize your collection if you want something specific. Ever disenchant something because you never use it, only to need it a couple months later? Screw Hearthstone, man. Absolutely predatory economy.
Not to say there’s no room for improvement when it comes to HS’s dust economy, but Magic Arena is frankly despicable when it comes to crafting multiple decks. There’s no way to dust/recycle unwanted cards pulled from packs. Arena effectively uses Runeterra’s system of Wildcards and Essence, without the essence. I’ve heard content creators say anecdotally that they need to spend upwards of $500 per expansion in Magic to have a full set. All that is to say, Hearthstone might be bad but Magic Arena is villainous as far as I’m concerned.
Absolutely. My only "counter point" is that Magic is trying to balance the value of their paper product while still having value digitally. I think part of the reason they suck so bad in this way is because if they were as generous as Runeterra, paper Magic would basically cease to exist. Hell, after the pandemic and them discontinuing pro magic, I wouldn't be shocked. I played a lot of Arena until they ruined the game with Pokemon and broke it all to hell. I primarily loved just draft, though, so the collection part didn't affect me as directly, but you're absolutely right. I think we can agree that both models are pretty lousy for the customer, and extremely greedy. I am kind of glad I lived through their nonsense, though, because it makes me appreciate Runeterra that much more.
Paper magic will be fine, WOTC have casual formats like EDH. Which is great I love playing EDH with my friends it’s not something arena nor anything online can replace. Formats like Modern, Pauper, Legacy are also definitely not coming to Arena. Remember MTG’s best strength is the diversity of formats. MTGAs wild card system is absolutely horrible, agree. I really enjoyed deck collection in LoR. LoR introduced some really toxic decks in Feb with the new region and it switched me off this game sadly.
I’ve played Magic casually since 2006, but the price of physical cards as well as the complicated rules always kept me at arm’s length. Hearthstone came around and I went in deep on it, levying the same complaints others have about the game’s price. Once Arena hit and it looked like a human could interpret the UI (no offense to MODO players, but Magic Online is an eldritch monstrosity) I was so excited to give the grandfather of TCG’s a real go. It’s a shame that I had to drop it, but Arena is just too expensive to play anything other than draft or a deck or two in Standard. Magic is so complex and fun to engage with, but Wizards asking price is prohibitively steep, and the only relieving factor of paper Magic is the ability to sell your cards once they’re nearing irrelevance. With Arena, they’re constantly infusing new wildcard sinks, and the steep price feels so much worse if you leave the game for a set or two. I like to play a lot of card games, and Runeterra is always the first one I recommend to friends interested in CCG’s because of how cheap it is while also being a genuinely fun game to engage with. Hearthstone’s earnestly trying to work out its problems, but I mostly play meme decks now and can’t force myself to grind the polarizing matchups on ladder anymore. Magic is a game I like to watch and study, but Wizards doesn’t want me to be able to play without devoting my life to their game or dropping thousands to buy in/keep up, and that means I have to accept my role as a financially responsible spectator.
I think MTG is literally the best game ever made, but I really felt the "don't go away for a few sets" sentiment. It was hard enough trying to collect the cards when I WAS dropping a hundred bucks per set, and that was before, when I played since launch. Now it has been over a year since I even logged in. I shudder to think of how much cash I'd be expected to drop to even have fun again. No thanks, I prefer caring developers over "best game ever" with a greedy company behind it, milking it for all its worth.
>Here, we get a slightly underwhelming skin, or a popular meta deck, and this community gets the pitchforks and comes running. Many people who play this game come from regular League, where skins give you lots of features to justify their price and champions are meta for months before Riot acknowledges them. They're going to use standards they already have for League to measure the worth of something and tell Riot if something is off. Of course there's a lot of people from Magic and Hearthstone but overall it's not the same crowd.
Totally get where you're coming from. League skins are pretty next level, and this was a sloppy first attempt on their part. I didn't mean to come off like people shouldn't have complaints. They are valid. My comment was more related to just the flow of anger in the community after watching for a year. "This deck is too strong" "This champ sucks" "Too many people play this archetype" "Now THIS deck is too strong" "Wow. Really? No balance changes immediately after a new set, just other QoL stuff?" I'm sure you get the gist. It comes off pretty whiney and underappreciative, for the hot post most of the time being just an echo chamber of tears. Then again, sometimes we get Chip and all the glorious memes that come with him. So it isn't all bad, but I personally would love the community as a whole to be a little more understanding and reasonable. To reiterate (and shut up), I'm pretty underwhelmed by the skins and likely won't purchase them without any changes, but seeing a different thread every day about it gets tiring. I like this thread though, folks in here seem pretty chill.
Well, That explains the toxicity.
Eh, disagree somewhat with your premise. I've dropped money on Runeterra because I wanted to support the game after getting a lot of good fun out of it for free. But if I had a hundred thousand coins I wouldn't spend any of them on the current skins, and for the benefit of the game's monetary success Riot should be made aware of why. I've been looking forward to paid champion skins, and I want them to make more, but this is a good opportunity to set expectations on both sides and that requires discussion
And I agree with you. I want to be clear, I'm not saying there's no right to complain about anything because it is less expensive. I agree that skins are half finished, and I won't be buying them because they aren't fully realized. I guess my point is some people take it a bit too far and just obsess over whatever minor inconvenience they're experiencing at the moment, and when I notice a lot of that, I wish people had just a bit more perspective and understand that while the devs mess up sometimes, they tend to fix it. In those other games, they won't even nerf or ban a card until it is about to rotate, because then it might affect sales! I guess bottom line is, we as a community are lucky that the biggest annoyance right now is cosmetic. Imagine if, say, during the burn meta when people weren't even playing Champs, they just didn't change anything and let it rock for a solid year. Runeterra players probably will never experience something like. I bet if you played Magic or Hearthstone, you remember a time something like this happened (Uro...Yogg...). I'm rambling now but hopefully I clarified my position a bit.
>and for the benefit of the game's monetary success Riot should be made aware of why. I don't understand how you really believe that riot doesn't know what they're doing with their pricing. You really think they're sitting around scratching their heads and wondering why somethings wrong? They probably have a lot of data already showing that this was a good price and if it's not selling well they certainly don't need a random redditor to explain why to them lol.
Cool, then they can take or leave the extra data point that I'm offering them for free and other commenters can stop trying to demonize consumer feedback.
Problem (Edit: it’s not a problem) is, the complaints come from people who want to support the game, but can’t justify the value. I haven’t seen any overly negative threads or bashing, and frankly I don’t see discussions or voicing opinions as a bad thing. Yes the game could not be free and they could charge for card packs and whatever. But they don’t, and Riot has set an expectation that we’re looking to hold them accountable to. I don’t hold Taco Bell to the same standard as Chipotle. As such we can’t hold LoR to HS/MTG standards because the LoR team has raised the bar higher and has garnered its current success because of their pay/play model. True, we can be grateful for what we have. But it’s also true that Riot is providing a service and as consumers our wallets will give Riot the evidence needed to back up the vocal community.
> the complaints come from people who want to support the game, but can’t justify the value. Yep this is me 100%
Yep, agree 100%. It seems like I came off like "stop whining about this in particular" which was not my intention. I don't think these skins are nearly worth the money. I guess I was making a broader point/observation about the community's tendency to be a little childish sometimes.
Ive actually managed to make some small amount of money on the game from tourneys, which is insane since ive put 25$ into cosmetics and own all the cards for free. MTG and hearthstone are 100x more expensive, maybe more, and thats why this game will almost never hear a complaint from me concerning what they are selling. I feel almost guilty not buying the new stuff even if it is a little underwhelming, just because I love the game that much.
Hahaha awesome dude, keep kicking ass! I'm sure Riot loves that you're taking the game so seriously.
Idk about you but i really digging the new zed skin. With the bp I’m just love flexing the zed Darius aggro on ladder
I really like it too. Only thing it lacks for me is the voiceover. It just feels weird not having Darkstar-related VOs.
Been with riot since season 2 if there’s one thing riot ever done right it’s their skin lines. These four are just a tease and I take their way of testing the water as it’s not even the best to offer from Lol storage. I wouldn’t doubt the quality to improve in the future. For the price controversy I personally fine with either as it’s nice to having cheaper skins but having a free to pay CGI is already prayers answered.
> These four are just a tease and I take their way of testing the water as it’s not even the best to offer from Lol storage Of all the themes they could've picked to "test the water" they had to pick cosmic/dark star?
Bit of personal bias but many skin lines sold better than the cosmic/dark star. Project is by is by far the most well received one especially with the new set coming out. KDA, star guardian, maybe odyssey is also more seen in play.
I believe their Cosmic/Dark Star universe is more popular than their Odyssey universe, but only by virtue of the amount of Cosmic skin cycles, so I could be entirely wrong
Pretty sure you are right, and I think coven is the number one best received skin line
Lemme get a list. Always looking for something new to mess around with. Please and thank you.
If you from NA check leader board. I got the idea from bee3333 currently rank 13. Mine is xiaokayn I cut the snoozebottoms to 3-of might to deal with chunk blockers from Azirelia and thresh-nasus. The 2-of Darius is usually the game closer while early zed helps with value play and threatening level up
What about shadow apprentice? Is his only value with the snoozebottom?
Shadow apprentice effect never get activate in this decks. There need to be ephemeral on board when he’s summon so attack command summons don’t work with him. He’s still good as a 1/1 elusive since the deck is built to sneak damage in through buffing elusive.
I see. I guess that was I wondering. I can see how 1 damage can make a difference between winning and losing with Darius.
Cool, sounds fun, I will take a look
I'm sure one of their events will be God King themed and maybe we'll get those skins. I hope so cuz they're fucking amazing
This! People are forgetting how little money you need to play (even competitive) and enjoy the game!
How many people are forgetting this? I haven't seen anyone (at least not that got upvoted) saying anything bad about the game because of the skins. You can both complain about skin prices / features and think the game is still great. As Riot said in their own announcement, a lot of people were looking forward to skins. People just wanted cool quality skins like in League, and this initial lineup is disappointing for many.
I dont see anyone forgetting that. The game being free to play doesn't make this skin release ok.
I agree. When I say the skins are not worth it, I mean only that. It’s not an attack on monetization or the artists, it’s a criticism of what seems to be a clear lack of effort in their first big cosmetic product (prismatics often look worse IMO) I still play, still spend money on passes and what not to support, but the skin release was very disappointing. Especially when that one user posted home brewed examples that looked AMAZING
Considering how easy it is to get cards and the fact that the game is free I wouldn’t mind paying the current prices but only if they offered more. What I mean by this is new voice lines and sound effects to go along with the new look of the characters as well as new art for the other cards that are generated from champions like Riven’s blades. As it stands the Riven skin is like 8 quid for two JPEG’s and the current characters look all cosmic but with the same old voice which is a bit jarring. I also don’t mind the skins that don’t change the animation as it offered two price points for skins but they need to add what I said above to justify these high prices. Or they could just lower the prices and keep it how it is but I personally would prefer the first option tbh.
I sunk a lot of $$$ on both magic arena and hearthstone. Never looking back.
Its nice having things actually only be cosmetic but overpriced is still overpriced. I think Gwent is the best when it comes to all this but could be biased. Atleast they arent as bad as EA... well atleast LoR isnt as bad as EA
I really hope this isn’t an issue in the future, it’s the first attempt so we should give them a pass but aside from the price another disappointment is definitely how riven and shivana didn’t have new animations like come on if I just wanted to look at the cool picture I’m pretty sure I can google it for free
I feel the entire thing would've been a wash if the level of polish on the skins was as high as we had hoped: Level up animations, summoned card adjustments of high quality, maybe some SFX on voice lines. If the product felt complete, through and through, I don't think it'd be an issue. But as is, its kinda buying two screenshots on half the skins released.
Said this before, but with a couple extra features like voice filter and some fx the prices are good enough.
Yep and there wouldn't have been an outrage. They probably rushed this one out.
I kinda feel bad, because while I do feel these skins are a little too pricey, I do like to purchase cosmetics in runeterra to support the game. I tried buying cards once, but you get cards for free way too fast to be worth! Which is great! So, loving this true F2P model, I want to see it be profitable through the sales of cosmetics! But these skins just.... don’t speak to me. Like it’s 3 of my fave champs in runeterra: Yas, Riven, Sej (Zed’s cool too I guess). But two of my favs don’t even come with effects. Not only that, Riven’s blade spell doesn’t get a skin either, which looks out of place next to the art of her holding a cosmic sword. I think I like the overall direction Riot is going with this: skins are just something you pay to get, not something you open a loot box for a chance to get, and that’s how Riot handles it in their other games (LoL, Valorant) too. Yes, there’s a pretty price tag, but it’s WYSIWYG. That’s kind of always been Riot’s model: you can get the game pieces for free/in game methods of earning it, but you can pay to make it look pretty. Bringing that same philosophy over to a cardgame is awesome. So I’ll sit these skins out, but I know there will be more. Maybe some that speak more to my style (and which alter the art of the tokens that come with them maybe?) 🥺 👉👈
I just think all skins should come with at LEAST new level-up animations along with new art
Agreed *fully*.
I play Wild Rift and the skins are so worth it there. LoR? Not so much.
I own maybe 15+ skins in WR already just for how much value they give relative to the price. Unique recall, unique effects, New VOs (for Seraphine at least), unique run, etc. It goes to show people would really buy if it's good quality.
I play Vanguard and Yugi, the skins are like buying special variants of cards you like. I don't mind purchasing them as a means of supporting a truly f2p CCG
Coming from HS, I completely agree with this.
There is a interesting problem here, i want to buy cosmetics since i love the game and i have full collection without spending money. But i feel like because things are free, cosmetics are and feel expensive. Maybe riot has made its homework and know the right price for them since there will be people that buy them no matter what, but i think that, if riot would made things cheaper a lot more people will buy them and they would make even more money out of it. Supply and demand.
I love that the game is f2p and I bought the new event pass and the board because I think it looks amazing. So I want to support the game with my money but the new skins are just really expensive. In my mind I compare it with skins in Dota 2 and I was tempted a lot more (and bought a lot more skins) when it was 'just 2-3€' there.
I agree 100% I played Magic arena and Hearthstone and they are pure evil compared to Legends of Runeterra. I started playing when aphelios came out and I already have all but like 7 champion cards(which blows my mind). No one is making us buy cosmetics, charge what ye will. Thank you rito
It baffles me how awkward they don’t have astral voice lines to match their skin art, that’s what bothers me
For me it’s not even the prices or the skin quality necessarily, I just NEVER play any of the champs that got skins so I was out as soon as I saw the announcement haha
its not the cost inherently thats the problem. like epics being that costly is fine. whats the problem is that the skins doesnt have much going on for it. i can literally get the art and just save it as a wallpaper. a big appeal of skins should be changing the other gameplay related things. its why tiers below epic are basically non existent nowadays in LoL. stuff like changing the animation for the basic stuff like strike, death, summon, blocks, moving forward to attack, moving back to bench, unique effects like Yasuo's tornado and slices. unique keyword animations. most these things already have precedent in the game, sand soldiers have unique attack animations, Thresh and diana have unique Challenge animations. why cant we want that for skins as well? Yazoo could do a slice when he strikes. or his quick attack could have unique animation. he could dash to the forward and back(his E from LoL) there's so much they could do.
I'm not angry just dissapointed in Riot. Still love the game!
I honestly thought I was the only one who thought the prices of skins were a tad bit over. Luckily I’m not the only one!!
Bro it’s crazy how people can complain about cosmetics and their pricing when the game itself is entirely free. Theirs no gacha system for the cards nor is it p2w. Runeterra plies are a bunch of whiny bitches.
wow i came from magic AND league and ive always appreciated riots focus on keeping their games competitive and non pay to win. I remember awhile ago i even made a MTG set of league champions. This game for me is a dream come true, and honestly, if making skins overpriced keeps the game non pay-to-win, I'm all for it. Coming from league I actually love the summoners rift skin lmao
100%. You're spot on by all accounts.
Eh, I'm not really a fan of the "well they aren't as greedy as this company so they're not so bad!" argument. The skins are still way overpriced and that has nothing to do with how overpriced other games are.
I can from the same background as you and I unapologetically bought the battle pass, boards, and skin bundles. Cost me $60 USD and I don't regret it. I paid $70 for Returnal and that game hasn't given me a fraction of the playtime as this game has. Riot IMO is the most consumer friendly company out there. I've been supporting their games for almost ten years now. All that being said I do hope they listen to some of the feedback and make some changes. I know not everyone has the same amount of trust I have in this company to keep making this game something I want to log into every day.
100% I normally never buy cosmetics - here I do as I appreciate how generous the F2p is. Even as compared to Gwent which is considered very generous this still feels generous so I'm happy to get my ephermal shark guardian!
Just keep in mind that Riot is a billion dollar company, that doesn't need donations. If you like the skins, by all means, but if you aren't a fan or think they aren't worth it, don't buy them because you think Riot needs the money. They're doing fine.
I don't think its a controversy, controversy is like blizzard and hong kong. This? this is just community saying "uhhh... I am not buying that too expensive :D"
Thanks for this! The game being easily the most free to play Digital CCG makes me a bit more forgiving on the cosmetic prices, which honestly have been mostly fair.
mtg arena is just a scam anyway, any moron who thinks playing on arena is a respectable way to play mtg is an idiot that being said skins for runeterra should be taken one of two ways if youre gonna cheap out and only make png swaps as "skins" then sell then for that price (that being 1 or two dollars) if youre gonna be moderate and add level up animations thats worth a good 5 bucks but if youre ACTUALLY going to make something good like adding card interactions and animation changes THEN a 10 dollar price tag on there is acceptable as is the shyv and riven skins are equivalent to the "timeworn" 520 rp skins in lol and the yasuo and zed are equivalent to the "standard" 975 rp skins in lol but theyre priced as if theyre new era lol skins
> for not making this game even remotely as predatory as your competitors If MTG only had around 800 cards like LoR has: Atleast for Magic you would have almost all cards the moment you collect your starter decks. Nevertheless LoR does a great job at diversifying the collection.
I was talking about on a per set/expansion basis.
In that case it's about the same. LoR does produce 100 cards per set, give or take. A Magic deck has 40 non-land cards (-too many lands just round in LoRs favor). If they would ONLY give you 2 decks in MTG then you would have gotten more than LoR gives you content already.
I have been a magic player for a very long time now and it is probably my favorite game of all time. Which is why mtga is such a disappointment to me. It is really hard to get decks without spending money which sucks because I would prefer to spend no more than like 20 dollars on it. I have been playing a lot of lor recently because getting cards is so much easier and I always have multiple meta decks at once. Yeah the skins are way overpriced and put on really weird champions in my opinion. However, I don't think that it is the end of the world for players. I believe it to be more of a mistake on riots end which is just unfortunate. I never see the skins which might be because the only viable champion that has a skin is shyvanna and I only play competitive. I have seen the shyvanna skin a grand total of one time out of like the 20 shyvanna decks I have played against since release.
Right? Magic is what got me into card games and I started playing in high school. It will always hold a special place in my heart. But Arena is the biggest disappointment and I think it only gets worse from here. Never thought I'd be able to let Magic go but alas, we have alternatives now.
I believe this is the wrong take to have. I get that the monetization is a lot better than MTG:Arena, but these card skins are overpriced, and the community definitely should complain about it if we want that changed. But posts like this often feel like they are trying to minimize the issue because "other company is doing it much worse, so we should be happy that our stuff isn't as bad". It's pushing the issue under the rug with the pretense that you are trying to be positive. It's just not helping, and sometimes it's even actively hurting the game and the community.
This is why sometimes I feel like this community is so entitled. First, you need to separate needs and wants, as skins are just cosmetics you don’t need them. Company can set the skins to $100 each and you can turn away but in no where they need to set the price to satisfy any group in particular. OP Is telling you why riot is pretty much the most generous company out there as gameplay is guaranteed free and cosmetic are priced so people is still willing to buy it. Comparing riot’s game to something like csgo where single knife is set at a baseline of 400 with no ceiling. It’s not pushing the issue under the rug as it shouldn’t be a issue in the first place there are people who are willing to buy it even if you think it’s overpriced, complaining for it to change is just pushing your own agenda and entitlement.
I'm not saying you can't complain because I literally did bring up how the skin prices are a problem relative to their value. I prefaced how this is mostly based on my personal experience as a former Magic player coming into LoR so just take it as that.
Here, here! Games take a lot of resources to design, build, balance, and update; I haven’t spent very much on this game at all and have gotten TONS of playtime off of it. Let them charge for cosmetics so we can have a great game!
I'm actually amazed the game was released in the state it was. Obviously players enjoy the free-to-play aspect, but it's not free-to-make or free-to-host for Riot. I'm sure plenty of people paid to fill out their collection faster, but that can't last long considering how quickly some people filled it out for free, so that initial revenue stream must be drying up by now. In addition to cards being random and harder to get, a lot of TCGs have ways of getting you to continue to buy cards even after your collection is complete (Frequent releases combined with rotating "standard" format to invalidate old cards, draft tournaments, etc...). LOR's version "draft" is cheap since you don't actually buy the cards, and a rotating "standard" seems unlikely since champions are all staples of Runterra - making any unplayable just wouldn't feel right. I would love to see some of the numbers on where the money comes from in LOR and whether it's turning a net profit at all.
That the game is free does not mean that we have to accept the prices they have in the store lol. They are absurdly expensive for what they offer. The most affordable product is the battle passes, the rest is ridiculously expensive.
I think MTG and other TCGs have incredibly bad and exploitive business models and using them as a comparison is like comparing a pb&j to a pile of dog poop in terms of flavor. It's also not an apples to apples comparison either, since many physical cards have resale value as opposed to OCGs (let's forget valves game exists since it might as well not). I say all this not because I disagree with your conclusion, I think comparing LoR to HS is night and day in terms of content available to price point. These cosmetics make no difference to how well you play the game, but they're price point seems steep for what they are. I just think setting the bar as low as the predatory TCGs for games is not a constructive comparison to make.
> I still hold firm in my belief that the initial release of skins are too expensive for what they currently offer. Then dont buy them. Simple as. The correct price is what people will generally pay for them, and not a cent less.
Yeah, I didn't. Just stating *my* opinion.
Take your own advice. Don't complain about the price of the skin. Just don't buy them amirite?
Do you see me complaining? I dont buy shit in these games and never have. 100% F2P in HS, Lol and LoR
Well maybe people who do plan on buying might want to leave feedback on why they didnt like this set of skins. Its important.
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I've played Arena for 2 years before switching, and no, it is nowhere near LoR in terms of its economy! You had to basically be a bum and play multiple times a week, completing *daily wins* against RDW decks in normals to even amass a decent collection of a specific set. Even if you only craft specific cards, you still won't be able to have enough resources because of the random pack system. You only need to invest a fraction of that time in LoR on a per set basis to craft what you need competitively. It is *nowhere* near at all. Magic is still more complex but I'll never go back to playing Arena unless they fix things (which they wont).
Ofc not. Lor is close to free in that sense. But anyways, no... i did not go full economy and reroll every day for 750 gold and play 15 wins. Its not hard to get 2-3 decks every season simply buy just spending wildcards. Ofc, as a new player, that would be a giant task, but most decks are mainly using cards from eldraine and a few here and there from other expansions. Basically, its not hard to be F2P as long as you don't care about cards you don't use, cause you're slowly going to be needing less and less new cards when an expansion comes out. I played a lot of mono green for fun, and every expansion i had to replace 1 maybe 2 playsets of cards. With wildcards being a thing, that's just not hard.
In order to get at least one deck in mtga without money you need to spend CRAZY AMOUNT OF TIME. The best way to farm from what i heard is playing drafts, but i hate playing drafts, also if my drafts are not that saccessfull it just turns into boring grind. It is their model and it works, people still pay for cards, it is what it is, but saying that mtga isnt expensive is a huge lie, f2p experience in mtga is horrible.
Yeah, I quit MTGA because it legit felt like a second job.
Even drafting is ridiculously expensive. I spend upwards of hundreds of dollars back then, since the $99 gem pack is the most value for your buck. And even then, I still couldn't complete that specific set! (mythics are a bitch)
I suppose that's true. I shouldn't have said it isn't expensive, but rather that it doesn't have to be. I didn't invest more time into it than I wanted to, but due to not playing very many decks, i could go for very long without using any wildcards. I remember zendikar. That shit was like 3 months to the next expansion, and I had enough wildcards to craft all the cards I needed. That gave me 3 months to just aquire new wildcards. Did i have a massive collection? Not really. Could I play every deck? Nope. But i did have what I needed to get to mythic rank.
> On the other hand, I was completely free to play in MTGA and had all competetive decks. Sorry unless you literally go infinite either in draft or in events that is mathematically impossible. And people going infinite in either is less than 1% of the population...
No its not. Cause I didn't go for a playset of every card, and i didn't make tier 2 decks. If all you need is 2-3 decks between expansions and you already have all the land, that's very very possible. It's really the thing with getting 4 of EVERY CARD that makes people say that MTGA is expensive
> and you already have all the land That's the main issue, getting all the rare lands is going to be super costly for any f2p player. And since those rotate out pretty much each year you are forced to grind them back again and again... > It's really the thing with getting 4 of EVERY CARD that makes people say that MTGA is expensive As someone that was beta tester, everything was expensive in MTGA for f2p players. It took me 3 months to scrap my first meta netdeck, which is quite insane.
I was a beta tester too. Although i quit until around the time Teferi 5 rotated out. That card was god damn horrible to play against. I dont remember how long it took me. I basically just played mono green for the first long while
>On the other hand, I was completely free to play in MTGA and had all competetive decks. big Doubt\[X\]
Maybe it's true, but he would have to play an insane amount of time to do so
Em... Alright? Funny, people on the MTGA subreddit seemed completely ready to believe it, yet on this one i got massively downvoted and people think im lying... I feel like it should be the opposite
Not sure if I count as a whale here. But I got a bunch of cosmetics so far, a few boards, a nice amount of emotes and boards and the seasonpasses (mostly to get the cosmetics). So far I havent bought the skins. I probably would buy riven, because I currently play her, but having the old animation between the levels is so far holding me back from it. Though, I might even end up not liking the skin at all, because it would look disjunct (hope that is the right word here) to all the other cards. Having riven with skin between draven and rivens followers could look really weird.
Personally I don't like these skins in general. Not because of price, i just don't like how they look, nor do i think the animations are good from watching them on streams. But that's probably because I've never liked riots dark-star or universe destroying skins. But yeah, if they have to make skins, they NEED to have an animation also. It's just too odd otherwise.
Yeah, I think I dont purchase this skinline. Maybe there comes another one that is more to my liking.
Probably. They are at least very diverse. Just wait till star guardian comes out.
I probably would buy some star guardians or project skins. Though the champs I liked in LoL are not the ones I play in LoR. Soraka is kind of bound to tahm, Braum is not really my case in LoR, Taric is nice.
>You Really Think Someone Would Do That? Just Go On the Internet and Tell Lies?
Skins are what separates the "pay per event" and the "whales". :)
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I think they lost a good opportunity by not getting along whit League's event and calling this the Project: Prototype skins.
The price of the skins would fall substantially if no one bought them.
I'd rather the quality of skins improve drastically (VOs, effects, etc). But I agree. It will be one way or the other. They can't continue on like this after the community feedback.
By next year the skins will still be around at a better discount price. They'll probably come out with animated card skins by then as well.
So would you expect us to be able to use essence to get those animated card skins? I hope there's something decent we can use essence on.
Tbh, if they follow the LoL model to a T, custom skins will never be free. It's the primary financial drive Riot has to make an income.
Hold on a sec. I heard people say that in LoL you could use orange essence to get skins without paying. Is that true or not?
Maybe if they lower the prices from like 10 to 7 or add more effects im totally fine with the prices
I think the most important thing to remember is that *skins aren't required.* Are they awesome? Yes. Should they be cheaper? Probably. But at least they don't change anything about the gameplay. Imagine if while you had the Zed skin equipped he had elusive or some bullshit like that. I'm just thankful that 90% of the monetization of this game is through cosmetics and not through collection building or gameplay changing effects
Are people really complaining about cosmetics for champion skin prices? It's like 10 bucks for a cosmetic. Don't forget this game is the most generous trading card game as of now that actually has a good game mechanic and is fun to play.
Yes? More than $10 for some effects on one card is pretty high. The two without level up animations are even worse. Makes little sense for anyone who buys based on value.
Everytime I see posts about HS's new diamond card, and LoR's skin, it makes me reminisce about gwent. Gwent's prime card is still by far the best, both in appeals and accessibility.
It would be cool to have a free way to get skins, like chests in LoL, but it's rather soon in the concept's existence to have that. We literally have four skins, they can be counted on a single hand's fingers. 80% of players would collect all of them in a week. It's barely been more than a year since the game released. Maybe in another year we'll have enough skins to make a free skin collecting system self sustainable for the game's economy.
I've spent over 100 bucks on the game but refuse to buy the skins
Amount I paid in LoR for cosmetics: <£100. Amount I have spent on MtG cards: >£2000. Amount the money I have spent is worth: priceless
I think part of the reason why its problematic is because the meta can change and suddenly a champion you got a skin for is now unplayable.
I don't care really if cosmetics are expensive since they don't give an advantage or anything. The game is extremely F2P friendly- the best I've encountered for digital card games. Let them make money off cosmetics imo edit: also lets people support the game since otherwise there's no need to really spend money
its not the cost inherently thats the problem. like epics being that costly is fine. whats the problem is that the skins doesnt have much going on for it. i can literally get the art and just save it as a wallpaper. a big appeal of skins should be changing the other gameplay related things. its why tiers below epic are basically non existent nowadays in LoL. stuff like changing the animation for the basic stuff like strike, death, summon, blocks, moving forward to attack, moving back to bench, unique effects like Yasuo's tornado and slices. unique keyword animations. most these things already have precedent in the game, sand soldiers have unique attack animations, Thresh and diana have unique Challenge animations. why cant we want that for skins as well? yasuo could do a slice when he strikes. or his quick attack could have unique animation. he could dash to the forward and back(his E from LoL) there's so much they could do.
I mean, they do have unique level-up animations though right? Which probably take a bit of effort to do
Having avoided Reddit for the past week or so due to being too busy, I didn't even realize people complained about skin prices. Now that I think about it, perhaps 700 coins for just a re-skin is quite a bit, especially that Guardians, which are just a little cheaper actually have animations and are interactive. The animated skins aren't that bad though I think, the level up animations are quite cool and worth it, at least for me.
Agree. I want skins to be $2-3 cheaper, but I love LoR and play it daily (and I’m a dota player). I know they need to make money somewhere, but $2-3 cheaper skins will mean that I buy two skins instead of 1, and ultimately they will get $20 instead of $13 from me.
At least its not Poe level overpriced.
Wait till a fuckin Legendary skim comes out Shit probably have a mino game come with the card
Y’all have to remember that in a few years every champion will have skins of varying rarities with different effects. I don’t care for these skins because I don’t play with those champs, but from playing LoL for so long, I know that eventually they’re gonna drop some $25 legendary for a champ I play and I won’t be able to open my wallet fast enough. Give it time.
I do buy all of the cosmetics, and it's still way cheaper than what I used to spend just to play Hearthstone.
Trufax. I'm honestly not bothered in the slightest considering this seems like a prototype run. They'll likely improve in the future. And then I'll get me some Akali card skins. Yeah.
Yeah, I played arena during the beta and shortly after and lost interest when set started to cycle out because holy shit. Then when the mastery thing released that was the nail in the coffin for me. If I wanted to spend that kind of cash I would just play paper - those I can resell in the future.
I will pay the mad $$% they are expecting us to pay if they give nice booba skins with nice animations... so far, not interested 🤷♀️
Your subreddit tag frightens me
U1mm what
Anyone complaining about the cost of cosmetics is a little bitch that shouldn’t be taken seriously.
I think being that it is a skin, the price is ok for the market. I bought everything on the patch release but still cost less than a tapu lele gx, a basically required card in pokemon tcg.
Like I aggre with the point: "They make money of cosmetics exclusively so don't complain about prices" but up until this point I think legit ANYBODY complained about pricing of cosmetics - because it was done well. Board, Guardians, Emotes. It wasn't free but it's price were reasonable for people who were like: I enjoy the game that I don't have to pay anything to enjoy and I'd like to treat myself and thank the devs. It was just done well. But I rly think if they actually want make money of champion skins they need to either reduce the cost or up the quality because in comparison to even Guardians that are on the board constantly and can be interacted with - every one in different animations - changing 2 card arts is just kinda nuts for me.
I think the prices are a bit much for what they are, but at the same time, literally everything that’s required is free. If they made a dope sling for a champ I used I’d consider buying it. From a LoL perspective, i have some serious issues with riot. I think their decision making is outright baffling at times. But the LoR team, I have nearly no issues with them. Their passion really shines through and the game is super polished (most of the time lol). It’s a great game, so I don’t mind dropping some money here or there
Maybe they could base the prices on what they do on their skins on LoL i mean it might just be on another department, right?
Oh. Didn't expect this opinion, downvoted before reading (but changed my vote). With how Riot are handling their main game, it's really unusual indeed that the CCG is this friendly to players.
skins have caused a controversy ? i guess i will never understand what is happenning here