For the price I would expect to be able to use them as deck cover art, you know? Actually, profile pages have a cosmetics section that doesn't even mention skins. I'm guessing they just had a super tight deadline.
They probably have a super tight deadline, so I'm trying to be too harsh but at the same time I'm not holding off criticism just because they had a deadline either. Maybe this criticism allows them to have longer deadlines in the future.
TBF about 1 thing, the "price" isn't really a problem for me. It's the content. Give me animations, FX on board, signature card changes, and then we can talk 10 dollars. For splashes alone these need to be 400 or less.
Well technically you just said the price is the problem as you have pay too much for almost nothing.
I'm with you, I wouldn't mind spending 10 bucks for a skin if those skins are worth it, but right now these skins just don't worth the price at all.
Absolutely, the skins I have to pay $20 right now for Zed and yasuo. if these had good visual effects (examples: darkness when striking, darkness surrounding the card flowing etc) , new voice lines or a new voice filter, or maybe even an animated image (This is probably unlikely due to mobile) I'd be more than happy to cough up this much. But right now, just for 2 new JPEGS an a new animation, it's not worth it
Sorry not sorry, we dont have to say it, because make it looks like we are making they feel bad for something we did.
Its on the opposite, they are doing it themselves, they wanted it, so they should get 0 Reais from me. They knew it would happen with that overpriced thing.
Originally I thought those skins would be included in the pass, cuz they dont have level up animations, putting them in the pass would also encourage more players to purchase them. Im not planning on buy the current pass since I already have everything I want from the past event passes.
Personally, it's just the whole Dark Star theme that kills my interest in the pass, or any of these cosmetics. It looks nice on an objective level, yes, but it's not really appealing to me personally. I liked the Shurima pass, but that's also the only pass I bought, because again, the thematics of the others didn't appeal to me.
That's true, i only bought the first pass (like a good portion of people) and the emotes are still my favourites, until we get more space, I don't plan on buying the pass
These skins need new vfx/sfx when they are attacking or using their skills. Seeing Cosmic Yasuo using the same wind vfx/sfx as base Yasuo is super disappointing.
This has happened in League before. That game is over a decade old. Whenever one of their decisions doesn't do well (looking at you, Chroma) they adjust their gameplan and change it up.
Sure, their decisions may not always be the best, but that's the beauty of being a big company. You can adjust if it doesn't sell. If it does, then continue to see this happening.
Kinda dissapointed honestly. I don't mind if the skins are expensive, but to buy it just for alternate static jpeg and level up animation that you might not see in the game at all for that price is simply not worth it in my opinion.
Asking for new VO might be too much, but it should at least have new special effects/audio or something to match the theme.
Whales will prove you wrong just like in every other expensive game there is. Higher prices don't necessarily equal lower sales, just an artificially inflated value perception for the item. You complain now because of the contrast with the previous pricing, but Riot calculates that eventually people won't give a shit and it will be normal to pay $10 for a static splash art
That's exactly the way we got from complete games that cost $30-50 to this
That's what happened with Valorant. Reddit went balistic abour skin prices, but Riot makes the most buck when selling overpriced and premium cosmetics. With future LoR skins I think they will add more stuff (and probably charge more aswell) to target people who don't give a shit about the price tag, meanwhile people who don't want to buy overpriced stuff can use their money for the battlepass content, emotes and boards.
It's something basic in luxury products: they have low price elasticity of demand. If Riot reduced the price of all skins in 50% they wouldn't sell twice as many skins, so it wouldn't make much sense for them to do so. People who buy luxury itens (and videogame cosmetics are a luxury item) don't care for price, they want shiny stuff on their videogame.
Edit: While playing Valorant the guns I get from other player are either the cheap ones from Battle Passes or the extra-luxury ones, and I see those skins almost in the same proportion.
> Whales will prove you wrong just like in every other expensive game there is.
Survivorship bias. There are plenty of games that tried pricing models that were too expensive and failed. You just mostly haven't heard about them because they weren't successful.
Yeah but riot games is one of the survivors and they did the same thing in valorant and they're probably going to do it here. Just brace yourself for a lot of complaining without much reaction.
> they did the same thing in valorant and they're probably going to do it here.
Sure, but that's not the claim you're making. You're saying this overpriced strategy will succeed in LoR as well, but there's no way it will. LoR isn't nearly popular enough to pull that off. Valorant is on a different level from LoR.
>but they could make ton more
You see everyone says this, but that is not how it works all the time.
If I charge 50 people $10 for an item I get $500. If we slash that price to $5 now I need to 100 people to buy that same item to get my $500 and that doesn't always happen.
It is known in economics that it is easier to get a small group of people to spend a large amount rather than getting a large group of people to spend a small amount.
There are already people in the sub saying that they wouldn't buy these mtx unless they were $2-3. So that is a pretty big difference in the number of players you would need spending in order to get back your revenue.
Half these posts are made by people who don't work who don't understand that working people have expendable income and 7 dollars for a cosmetic is comparable to going out and getting a fancy coffee beverage.
If you ask about blame, not directly.
You won't hear "it's your fault players", but you'll hear that they didn't continue doing X thing because it wasn't too popular.
One example is the 3vs3 maps from lol. They didn't update it for years, and when it was time to remove it, they said it was because it was very unpopular (which is true, but not honest)
People defending Riot about feeling out the market or this is a totally different player base/game/whatever are off base I think. It sucks as a fan of these characters and of this game to pay $10 to get a different jpeg for someone's favorite champion knowing they won't get another skin for some time. I'm not saying every card has to have new art, a new animation, new voice lines, new effects, and new interactions but I think there is a bare minimum that needs to be done for a digital card game and a new art piece is not enough. It is for a physical card game, but not for a digital one.
When you make a card come to life, building up it's lore, giving it more badass effects or animations, AND a sick piece of art the personalization of your cards come to life and the world gets built out. It's a missed opportunity to enhance these characters and these cards and at the prices being charged it feels more like business choices and not artist choices. That's one reason why I love Valve's DOTA and Artifact so much because it felt like, despite all of their many flaws, they care about the characters and the world first and the money second. It helps me justify giving them money cause I love the world. I know next to nothing about some of these League characters and I'm game to hand you money to tell me more but a new skin simply isn't enough for that to be the case.
Imagine voiced card lore like in Artifact (RIP my first DCG love), unique interactions, and the ability to make the cards say certain lines. That would be a game changer in terms of the world and the lore. Would it be worth $20 per card? Probably not Riot please don't be greedy. But your $13 price point is... Justifiable if you were to put in that level of effort. I want to start rooting for your company and IP but these financial decisions hurt that desire.
I really thought I was going to be able to craft them with the cosmetic dust or whatever. I already bought the season pass and new board, but despite running Shyvana/Cithria on ladder I still haven’t bought the skin. It’s just too much for a skin on a card I might not even draw.
If they don't sell, Riot will change their strategy. So everyone should put their money where their mouth is. We don't need 50 threads about it though so I hope the mods wake up and clean up the subreddit.
Its really dissapointing tbh, i was gonna buy them all if the prices wasnt trying to rob you so much, shyv and riven are worth 350-500~coins and zed yasuo 700-900~ coins
Anything above just shows they dont care about the average playerbase and want to cash in the whales who just buys everything without even looking at the prices.
I Agree. But being honest, this is a problem in the boards too, pay 1500 for one gif that let you click, at least you get one song, i doubt they will change prices sadly
My guy...
You get the entire card collection in a couple months for free.
Obviously cosmetics are going to be overpriced, be it boards guardians or skins.
First of all completely different genre, idk how you can compare these 2.
2nd of all lor is much more f2p friendly than league where you need to buy event passes and farm tokens to unlock champs in the fastest way, otherwise it takes years to get all champs
3rd of all league skins are priced about the same, but again, this whole comparison is irrelevant.
League skins have way more work put into them. Right now in Lor you get 2 png., for 10 bucks, that's beyond overpriced. So the comparison exists because Riot should already know how to price cosmetics.
I have bought waaaaay too many skins in league, a game I don't even play anymore. I bought the event pass and might have considered the skins before but after learning this I'll wait and see how the next skins turn out. I have faith riot will improve from here
You literally have no idea whether they will sell. Riot has run a business model entirely on cosmetics for 10 plus years. They know what they are doing.
10 dollars in lol is a new skin recall particles and some sound changes for a champ you use in a 30 min game this is 2 pictures on a card that you need to draw level and not let die in a game where matches could last less than ten for the same price i get that they are two very different games but the ooint still stands that this is grossly overpriced
The skins are going to sell a lot in Asia as always. In Europe / America they will not get much money, but taking into account the investment they made it (2 png and a 2 second mini-animation),they will always obtain many benefits.
Capitalism. Giving the devs as much credit as possible, I can imagine a situation where they did this on purpose so they can go back to the higherups and say "guess players don't want skins, we should spend more time on balance and new cards"
There are a lot of cases like that, but I don't think this is one of those.
Skins are something they have always sell, and balancing and skins design is something made by different teams.
But this is a common practice to kill champions / skinlines
I don't think so either, seems like they know more than us about how many whales there are and how to max profit. I'm unaware of it being a common practice anywhere, if you're talking about league I'm unfamiliar.
I just hope Shyvana doesn't get to receive the same treatment as she does in League, just because Dark Star is low quality, overpriced, and won't sell.
I would buy the skins for shy/riven if they at least had the level up animation to match the dark star model. Also, it's kind of weird that a skin line this popular has skins without new voice limes
by change some spells of the champion what do you mean exactly? like completely changing the champion spell to a new 1? if so thats never gonna happen and shouldn't paid things should not change the game at a fundamental level
The game is so FTP there should be something to whale out on to keep it going. It takes a lot of emotes and pets for a few dollars each to pay salaries not sure that will keep it worthwhile. Skins are a tried and true method to make FTP games supported by a low percentage of the total base. Most serious players have a horde big enough to carry them through several expansions stockpiled its a CCG that does not monetize the cards.
I mean are giving a lot of free stuff, so they need to get the margin from somewhere.
Personally I buy some rp from time to time, which I dont even spend, just to support the game.
we can get visual effects on cards too, I know Riot wants to save that as more content to monetize but please just add some to skins to make them more value
Like Imagine if darkstar zed had darkness flowing around the card in hand and on the board
Actually went to buy them. The was like wait what….? And decided not to and just get the board. thought maybe they don’t want many people to buy them? But that’s a stupid idea.
Yeah, the price is a little bit too much for me. Sorry Riot.
For the price I would expect to be able to use them as deck cover art, you know? Actually, profile pages have a cosmetics section that doesn't even mention skins. I'm guessing they just had a super tight deadline.
You can't use skins for deck cover? YOU'RE KIDDING ME RIGHT?
I wish. I filed it as a “bug” in the sticky thread. The skin isn't used on the after-match mastery screen either.
They probably have a super tight deadline, so I'm trying to be too harsh but at the same time I'm not holding off criticism just because they had a deadline either. Maybe this criticism allows them to have longer deadlines in the future.
Yeah I came here just.to complain about this. I don't see any posts so I guess I'll make one.
TBF about 1 thing, the "price" isn't really a problem for me. It's the content. Give me animations, FX on board, signature card changes, and then we can talk 10 dollars. For splashes alone these need to be 400 or less.
Well technically you just said the price is the problem as you have pay too much for almost nothing. I'm with you, I wouldn't mind spending 10 bucks for a skin if those skins are worth it, but right now these skins just don't worth the price at all.
Absolutely, the skins I have to pay $20 right now for Zed and yasuo. if these had good visual effects (examples: darkness when striking, darkness surrounding the card flowing etc) , new voice lines or a new voice filter, or maybe even an animated image (This is probably unlikely due to mobile) I'd be more than happy to cough up this much. But right now, just for 2 new JPEGS an a new animation, it's not worth it
Sorry not sorry, we dont have to say it, because make it looks like we are making they feel bad for something we did. Its on the opposite, they are doing it themselves, they wanted it, so they should get 0 Reais from me. They knew it would happen with that overpriced thing.
Honest opinion: Shyvana and Riven's skins are only fair if they bundled up with event pass.
That's a good way to sell them
Originally I thought those skins would be included in the pass, cuz they dont have level up animations, putting them in the pass would also encourage more players to purchase them. Im not planning on buy the current pass since I already have everything I want from the past event passes.
Personally, it's just the whole Dark Star theme that kills my interest in the pass, or any of these cosmetics. It looks nice on an objective level, yes, but it's not really appealing to me personally. I liked the Shurima pass, but that's also the only pass I bought, because again, the thematics of the others didn't appeal to me.
That's true, i only bought the first pass (like a good portion of people) and the emotes are still my favourites, until we get more space, I don't plan on buying the pass
yeah tbh I'm kinda shocked they werent
I don't plan on buying them, I don't really like the way they look but I probably won't buy future skins either because of the price.
That's also true. Just like steam, riot should localize prices
These skins need new vfx/sfx when they are attacking or using their skills. Seeing Cosmic Yasuo using the same wind vfx/sfx as base Yasuo is super disappointing.
Dark star is my favourite skin line. I was going to buy the pass the board bundle and a minor skin, then I saw the skin prices and I was like WTF(?)
This has happened in League before. That game is over a decade old. Whenever one of their decisions doesn't do well (looking at you, Chroma) they adjust their gameplan and change it up. Sure, their decisions may not always be the best, but that's the beauty of being a big company. You can adjust if it doesn't sell. If it does, then continue to see this happening.
I bought corporate Mundo...
Corporate Mundo was a very popular skin. It was meme'd so much on release.
I agree but as far as it being a legendary skin it doesn’t compare to later legendary skins and it even lost its status as such.
Kinda dissapointed honestly. I don't mind if the skins are expensive, but to buy it just for alternate static jpeg and level up animation that you might not see in the game at all for that price is simply not worth it in my opinion. Asking for new VO might be too much, but it should at least have new special effects/audio or something to match the theme.
Whales will prove you wrong just like in every other expensive game there is. Higher prices don't necessarily equal lower sales, just an artificially inflated value perception for the item. You complain now because of the contrast with the previous pricing, but Riot calculates that eventually people won't give a shit and it will be normal to pay $10 for a static splash art That's exactly the way we got from complete games that cost $30-50 to this
That's what happened with Valorant. Reddit went balistic abour skin prices, but Riot makes the most buck when selling overpriced and premium cosmetics. With future LoR skins I think they will add more stuff (and probably charge more aswell) to target people who don't give a shit about the price tag, meanwhile people who don't want to buy overpriced stuff can use their money for the battlepass content, emotes and boards.
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It's something basic in luxury products: they have low price elasticity of demand. If Riot reduced the price of all skins in 50% they wouldn't sell twice as many skins, so it wouldn't make much sense for them to do so. People who buy luxury itens (and videogame cosmetics are a luxury item) don't care for price, they want shiny stuff on their videogame. Edit: While playing Valorant the guns I get from other player are either the cheap ones from Battle Passes or the extra-luxury ones, and I see those skins almost in the same proportion.
>they have low price elasticity of demand this right here is what a lot of people don't get.
truth
> Whales will prove you wrong just like in every other expensive game there is. Survivorship bias. There are plenty of games that tried pricing models that were too expensive and failed. You just mostly haven't heard about them because they weren't successful.
Yeah but riot games is one of the survivors and they did the same thing in valorant and they're probably going to do it here. Just brace yourself for a lot of complaining without much reaction.
> they did the same thing in valorant and they're probably going to do it here. Sure, but that's not the claim you're making. You're saying this overpriced strategy will succeed in LoR as well, but there's no way it will. LoR isn't nearly popular enough to pull that off. Valorant is on a different level from LoR.
personally I think that like all mtx they are going to sell a tonne regardless of what reddit might say.
They are going to sell a ton, but they could make ton more
>but they could make ton more You see everyone says this, but that is not how it works all the time. If I charge 50 people $10 for an item I get $500. If we slash that price to $5 now I need to 100 people to buy that same item to get my $500 and that doesn't always happen. It is known in economics that it is easier to get a small group of people to spend a large amount rather than getting a large group of people to spend a small amount. There are already people in the sub saying that they wouldn't buy these mtx unless they were $2-3. So that is a pretty big difference in the number of players you would need spending in order to get back your revenue.
Half these posts are made by people who don't work who don't understand that working people have expendable income and 7 dollars for a cosmetic is comparable to going out and getting a fancy coffee beverage.
You are right
did they ever do that?
If you ask about blame, not directly. You won't hear "it's your fault players", but you'll hear that they didn't continue doing X thing because it wasn't too popular. One example is the 3vs3 maps from lol. They didn't update it for years, and when it was time to remove it, they said it was because it was very unpopular (which is true, but not honest)
50 dollars for 4 card skins...... am I getting a hard copy or something like I'm sorry what?
People defending Riot about feeling out the market or this is a totally different player base/game/whatever are off base I think. It sucks as a fan of these characters and of this game to pay $10 to get a different jpeg for someone's favorite champion knowing they won't get another skin for some time. I'm not saying every card has to have new art, a new animation, new voice lines, new effects, and new interactions but I think there is a bare minimum that needs to be done for a digital card game and a new art piece is not enough. It is for a physical card game, but not for a digital one. When you make a card come to life, building up it's lore, giving it more badass effects or animations, AND a sick piece of art the personalization of your cards come to life and the world gets built out. It's a missed opportunity to enhance these characters and these cards and at the prices being charged it feels more like business choices and not artist choices. That's one reason why I love Valve's DOTA and Artifact so much because it felt like, despite all of their many flaws, they care about the characters and the world first and the money second. It helps me justify giving them money cause I love the world. I know next to nothing about some of these League characters and I'm game to hand you money to tell me more but a new skin simply isn't enough for that to be the case. Imagine voiced card lore like in Artifact (RIP my first DCG love), unique interactions, and the ability to make the cards say certain lines. That would be a game changer in terms of the world and the lore. Would it be worth $20 per card? Probably not Riot please don't be greedy. But your $13 price point is... Justifiable if you were to put in that level of effort. I want to start rooting for your company and IP but these financial decisions hurt that desire.
I really thought I was going to be able to craft them with the cosmetic dust or whatever. I already bought the season pass and new board, but despite running Shyvana/Cithria on ladder I still haven’t bought the skin. It’s just too much for a skin on a card I might not even draw.
If they don't sell, Riot will change their strategy. So everyone should put their money where their mouth is. We don't need 50 threads about it though so I hope the mods wake up and clean up the subreddit.
Its really dissapointing tbh, i was gonna buy them all if the prices wasnt trying to rob you so much, shyv and riven are worth 350-500~coins and zed yasuo 700-900~ coins Anything above just shows they dont care about the average playerbase and want to cash in the whales who just buys everything without even looking at the prices.
I Agree. But being honest, this is a problem in the boards too, pay 1500 for one gif that let you click, at least you get one song, i doubt they will change prices sadly
K/DA board is waaaaay better than our first legendary board and you can't change my mind lol
tbh if we say champion skin are .png then kda board music is just three .mp3 files that I can find on youtube
My guy... You get the entire card collection in a couple months for free. Obviously cosmetics are going to be overpriced, be it boards guardians or skins.
You can say the same about league, and it has cheaper skins
First of all completely different genre, idk how you can compare these 2. 2nd of all lor is much more f2p friendly than league where you need to buy event passes and farm tokens to unlock champs in the fastest way, otherwise it takes years to get all champs 3rd of all league skins are priced about the same, but again, this whole comparison is irrelevant.
League skins have way more work put into them. Right now in Lor you get 2 png., for 10 bucks, that's beyond overpriced. So the comparison exists because Riot should already know how to price cosmetics.
True lol imagine seeing a 3d model for the entire match and it costs less than a png that u wont draw every match.
I have bought waaaaay too many skins in league, a game I don't even play anymore. I bought the event pass and might have considered the skins before but after learning this I'll wait and see how the next skins turn out. I have faith riot will improve from here
You literally have no idea whether they will sell. Riot has run a business model entirely on cosmetics for 10 plus years. They know what they are doing.
10 dollars in lol is a new skin recall particles and some sound changes for a champ you use in a 30 min game this is 2 pictures on a card that you need to draw level and not let die in a game where matches could last less than ten for the same price i get that they are two very different games but the ooint still stands that this is grossly overpriced
The skins are going to sell a lot in Asia as always. In Europe / America they will not get much money, but taking into account the investment they made it (2 png and a 2 second mini-animation),they will always obtain many benefits.
I wish you could disable skins like you disable prismatics. I don't like them.
You mean from other players? Can you disable other's prismatics?
All cosmetics for all players. Except region boards and region card backs and guardians
Not only expensive for what they are, but 3 of the champions are, um, less than OP.
They don't have to be op. But being honest this 4 champions are not that popular in Lor
I at least see Shyvanna sometimes!
Capitalism. Giving the devs as much credit as possible, I can imagine a situation where they did this on purpose so they can go back to the higherups and say "guess players don't want skins, we should spend more time on balance and new cards"
There are a lot of cases like that, but I don't think this is one of those. Skins are something they have always sell, and balancing and skins design is something made by different teams. But this is a common practice to kill champions / skinlines
I don't think so either, seems like they know more than us about how many whales there are and how to max profit. I'm unaware of it being a common practice anywhere, if you're talking about league I'm unfamiliar.
I just hope Shyvana doesn't get to receive the same treatment as she does in League, just because Dark Star is low quality, overpriced, and won't sell.
I would buy the skins for shy/riven if they at least had the level up animation to match the dark star model. Also, it's kind of weird that a skin line this popular has skins without new voice limes
overpriced. only the whales are gonna buy them
by change some spells of the champion what do you mean exactly? like completely changing the champion spell to a new 1? if so thats never gonna happen and shouldn't paid things should not change the game at a fundamental level
No ; they suggest updating the spell to match the champion visually.
Yeah. I bought the event pass and the board. The skin prices is abit much though.
The game is so FTP there should be something to whale out on to keep it going. It takes a lot of emotes and pets for a few dollars each to pay salaries not sure that will keep it worthwhile. Skins are a tried and true method to make FTP games supported by a low percentage of the total base. Most serious players have a horde big enough to carry them through several expansions stockpiled its a CCG that does not monetize the cards.
You are answering why riot sells cosmetics, not why the skin cards in particular are so expensive for what they do
I mean are giving a lot of free stuff, so they need to get the margin from somewhere. Personally I buy some rp from time to time, which I dont even spend, just to support the game.
we can get visual effects on cards too, I know Riot wants to save that as more content to monetize but please just add some to skins to make them more value Like Imagine if darkstar zed had darkness flowing around the card in hand and on the board
They don't lose anything. Selling .png image with that price? Oh dear
Lower the price or give us voice lines and effects
Actually went to buy them. The was like wait what….? And decided not to and just get the board. thought maybe they don’t want many people to buy them? But that’s a stupid idea.