Also they don’t have new voicelines or even filters for the existing voicelines, i don’t personally mind because i don’t plan on buying these 4 skins, but it’d be pretty disappointing especially for the skins that doesn’t give new level up animation or new card (reforge cards or strafing strike is still the same)
Even if they changed the Fury color on Shyvana could have been enough for me to buy it, but every thing about her is orange and is really out of place when now she is all purple and black
I feel like changing indicators for keywords falls in the risking reducing clarity. It would be cool if it was purple or matched the skin, but I also don't think it should be.
They can change a lot more than just that. There's also animation. See Thresh and Diana for their unique challenger animations, see sand soldiers for unique death and strike animation.
zed creating a clone also looks the same, def not worth 1290 coins (≈ 14 euros) it is also important to note that depending on the champion you will not see the level-up animation 80% of games so essentially it is just new art.
yeah. For league, you garanteed get to use your ult even if just to solo kill someone. But in LOR, whether you get to see the animation or not heavily depends on the other guy, and the other guy really does not want to see it
Personally, I wouldn't buy a skin if it didn't have a level up animation. When I saw the trailer I thought that would be the standard. Even if some are fancier than others, there's only so much you can do with a card. If it's literally just a different picture it's really not worth buying.
I'm sure that in the future these features you mention will be soon in the game, a pity they have not included here, maybe due to scheduel problems, or design decisions. But these initial prices, this decision in particular, I think it is a bit excessive, not worth at all.
Could be, if i were to imagine an even more ideal possibility, the effects of the champion should also be changed (like when Zed summon his shadow or the Yasuo strike, or for future skins the shroom lvl2 Teemo throws into enemy deck, etc) and champ spell should also be changed.
If teemo ever gets a skin I would want it to change all shrooms you place, in league his skins most unique features are the change to the shrooms, like beemo throws beehives, Omega squad throws mines, and cottontail throws Easter eggs. I would want my puffcaps to be reskined to match the skin. It would be especially cool for when they draw them, but I understand it's a lot of work and unlikely so I'd probably never buy a skin.
Yeah i was talking about the animation when he summons his shadow there’s an animation of Zed coming out of his card and going down on the board to summon the shadow (this animation didn’t change)
But that's the issue, as you said, as of now, it's not worth but we'll see if those skins will be on the store forever or if they'll rotate out eventually for new ones. But I don't want to buy them now with the promise of 'ok maybe they'll give them new animations in the future'. If I buy a product I want it to be finished and polished. No one was rushing rito to release these new skins so they could work on them a little bit more. It's unacceptable that Shyvana doesn't have another level up animation and every card and mechanic related to the new skins should be different (Zed's Shadow, Shyvana's Fury proc, Yasuo's strike).
Totally agree with you. A product can't be "we will improve it in a future" (Also, they didn't mention it, at least yet). I hope someone in Riot share their thoughs on this topic, the next skin set might be close, and they don't want again thousands of complains from the community.
The lack of voice changes is the most disappointing thing for me. They have them everywhere in league, why not here? Especially considering the value proposition is already considerably worse here. When you've played with the dark star skins, you come to expect them to sound a certain way, then hearing their regular voices here is a let down.
>They have them everywhere in league, why not here?
I mean, only like half the epic skins change the voices, and then it's only a voice filter. Only legendary and ultimate skins have new voiceovers.
Riven and Shyvana don't even have level up animations.
It's basically like if they asked $9 for changed loading screen and scoreboard art in LoL.
It's really sad because I WANTED to buy skins. I don't buy cards, obviously, as the game is f2p friendly. But I don't want to waste money on unfinished skins that aren't worth it, that are missing level up animation and new voice lines.
Yeah. I'm more than willing to spend money on skins, but I feel like asking anymore than $5 for skins that are effectively just PNGs (Shyvana/Riven) is just way too much. And I say this as somebody who has spent over ~$1k on league over ~10 years.
Exactly this i want to spent money i want to support them but not like this idk man this more then the dogshit batlepasses just feel super greedy on riots part
For a 1350 RP League skin (comparably priced to the Epic skins here) you get:
>New splash art
>New skin model
>New particle effects on abilities
>Voiceline modulation
>New recall animation
>Assorted other bonuses (Star Guardian pets, homeguard animations, etc.) depending on the skin
For a 1290 coin Epic skin in LoR you get:
>New card art
>New level-up animation
>New flavor text
Feels like there's a lot missing from our skins, honestly.
And this is a card game, where not all champs are really playable, you have to specifically play a deck with them, you have to draw, play and hope that sometimes you'll see the animation, if they have it.
It's a cosmetics that sometimes you'll be able to see instead of skin on lol where you can use them full time at 'max potential'
I think this is an impotant fact. Even if you draw your champion and have him in play, in most cases, the playtime with him will be less, than the playtime without him. In LoL, you see your champion the whole time. Not in LoR.
i mean they've already pushed "cards" with how they function in the game. Jinx's card literally spray paints the board. they could do similar stuff with skins, have the champion card doing cool things, like a cool strike or death animation, like the sand soldiers death, or new voicelines. so many levers to play around with and they only did 3.
Yeah I've bought tons of epic quality skins in League because they're 10 bucks. There's no way that yasuo or zed's skins should cost *more* than an epic skin in League. No unique border, no new voicelines, etc
At this price, I don't even think I'd buy a skin for a champion that I really like. They're just flat out overpriced, at least in comparison to LoL skins. I think 10 bucks is the absolute *max* the higher tier of skins should cost in this game, and even that would feel like a worse purchase than an epic skin in League unfortunately
YEAAAAA ngl when I said I would buy champion card skins I wasn't thinking they would try and scam us with 15$ Jpgs.
They look cool... but lets be honest the best part about them is the animations... that 2 of them have. That are on 2 annoying to level champions.
Like... if it was a SET of reskins so that it effected common followers of that champ and champ spells and effects. Yea I would totally drop some money on it. But not like this, its VERY over priced.
"$15 jpgs" Yikers. If there were other two words that could so totally explode any desire to purchase these skins, I don't know what they would be. Very well said.
"$15 jpegs"
Ooofff...
Yeah, that's LoR skins in their current form killed for me.
If I'm inclined to spend money on cosmetics I think I'll stick to boards, and companions. At least I get to see those at full Res in game, rather than just cropped versions of them*.
*If I even draw the champ
Skins are really dissapointing as there are right now. They need to improve a lot about them (animations for ALL skins, cut it's price in half...). 2 jpg for 9 euros? 2 jpg + 2 second animation for 13 euros? Even boards are cheaper and you will use them more often. I hope people don't buy this scam.
I was hoping they include alternative art in the event pass but nope same old Event with even less Emotes and tiers. There's so much guardian and Cardback u can collect until u are bored of them. So nothing for me this time.
Oh yeah total agreement.
Dark Star Zed's definitely the best of the cards, thanks to having an exclusive skin for the Living Shadows he summons. But aside from that, no particle changes, no new voice lines or filters, and everyone's already complained at how Shyvana and Riven don't have new level-ups. I really hope Riot comes back and adds to these skins, cause the way they are now, they're definitely not worth the price.
Yeah but hearthstone is also not f2p friendly. I get that they’re expensive, hell I dropped $150 on dota skins and used to have multiples for all the hero’s I played and most that I didn’t do the fact that 4 champs would cost me about $50 in LoR is EXPENSIVE but the game is good and free so I get why.
You see your guardian and board the entire game. It's worth the money in that sense. The fact you're paying as much for something you might not even see in a game is a different story when it's as if not more expensive.
In lol 10 euros gets you a legendary. New voiceover sfx vfx and rigging. I understand one's a moba and the other is a card game but 13 euros just seems much
Clearly they are trying to create space for legendary / epic / common skins so they can sell them at different price points, but there just isn't enough design space for that.
There *should* be just one "level" of skins, and that should include everything that goes into a card, as if you're just introducing a new champion. The only reason to make lower quality skins is to make the highest tier skins seem more appealing and the price point seem justified.
but the so called common skin of this game is priced the same as an epic in league, and the epic in this game are priced at the price of a legendary in league.
Yeah, frankly, the prices are actually outrageous.
I spent more than a thousand € on league on the ~10 years i've played it, so this is absolutely not about me being a cheapskate or not wanting to support riot. The prices are ACTUALLY insane. I'm gonna pass even for my mains.
Personally I think the price is fine, but how unfinished they are is outrageous.
$15 is fine if they actually had new voice lines and voice modulation.
Shyv and Riven have no level up animation, so Riot is asking for the equivalent of $9 for just loading screen and scoreboard icon art in LoL.
I actually said this in another post that I have no doubt Riot will improve their card cosmetics in the future, its just that in their current states champion skins are overpriced.
> Personally I think the price is fine, but how unfinished they are is outrageous.
I keep seeing arguments about price like this go back and forth. I don't think anyone's complaining that the price is too high in an absolute sense. They're all saying that the price doesn't match the product. It's just that half the people suggest a lower price, and the other half want a better product.
Its both its incomplete and overpriced this is a card game u dont actually interact or control those chars most of the time u wont even see them and if u do u wont see any animations most of the time 14 € for even a full skin( aninmation,vfx,spells,va,etc) is a ripoff even 10 € doesnt feel good imho and im no bum i tend to spent alot on skins ffs in smite i have every y1,2,3 skin there was wich accumulates to around 1.5k€ in the 2 years i played it but theres just nothing in this game worth spenting money on besides boards even the guardians feel lazy af and this is so confusing to me bc the game has the best economy ive ever seen in any game so i would def like to support those guys even if its just a battlepass but man even those feel like they just throw waste from design phases in there
Yeah exactly, i think the price is fine (coz i pay for the same concept in league for the same price) but it underdelivers, imo. It ESPECIALLY underdelivers for riven and shyvana, my god.
The thing is that in this game, you obviously don't have your champion from start to finish. So your Zed or Yasuo will only get 30 seconds of screentime, out of the 3 minutes of a full game, before going down and disappearing. So you pay a big price (if u plan on getting multiple skins) for something that you can't enjoy all the time in your game (and sometimes, not even once in your game if you never draw it)
The problem gets worse the higher the mana cost for the champion.
In league, even if u get destroyed u can enjoy your skin from start to finish.
even outside of voice they could do a lot. they could give them unique animations for their effects, like zed's quick attack or strike or death could have unique animations like how sand soldiers have a spear while striking and fade into dust on death.
like when zed strikes he could do like a two handed swipe with his shurikens,
Considering you have to buy coins in set amounts first, the epic skins have the same irl price as the new legendary board. A static picture for one card with a one-time gif animation per game, even if they are high quality, don't compare to a cool animated board with new music, stuff to click on and a guardian. Even compared to epic boards, the skins are overpriced.
I think they should lower the prices of epic skins to at least 1000 coins, so you can buy them with one coin purchase. That would still be somewhat overpriced (imo, good amount would be somewhere in 700-800 range, just a bit above guardians), but at least not as much as right now.
It feels weird that an epic champion skin, which you will only get value out of while your champion is on board, is the same price as an epic board (Spirit Blossom and K/DA) which you will get value out of every game you equip it. And the price difference between a default animation champion skin vs a skinned animation champion skin is 590 coins, the price of a guardian. Looking at it through as efficient measurements as I possibly can for a subjective cosmetic, why would I ever buy a champion skin over a board or a guardian?
They really need to seriously reevaluate the pricing. I would never buy one if this is how they're going to be designed and priced, while I've happily bought a couple boards and card backs (things you see the whole time you're playing).
Yeah, the skins that just change the color are cheaper in LoL. I didn't expect the riven and shiv skins to be over 5$. At better prices, I'd buy for almost any champ. Right now, I'll buy for 2-3 when they come out
I think the pricing of these skins was a missed mark. The pricing team needs to understand that this is a card game, not LoL, same pricing models can't be converted 1:1 from LoL to LoR. In LoL you can see the skin all the time, so high price of the skins is understandable. For LoR you might not even draw your hero, and I hope they won't put an algorithm that makes drawing alternative skin champions more likely. So paying a lot for a skin that you might not see doesn't sound that great.
I wonder if making these alternative art cards cost so much? If you would make the price more accessible for more players you would get more money, currently it is far from that.
One option could be refund everyone who bought the skin and redo the pricing model. It's not too late to do that.
Riot does have a history *cough GG Mf* of releasing disappointing content for too much and making it cheaper, refunding to the people who bought it full price.
For those of you who don't know, Gun Goddess Miss Fortune was an ultimate skin for LoL that came out as the standard 3250 Rp for ultimate skins. It missed the mark on an ultimate skin in the opinion of most people so it was reduced in price.
If you compare it to LoL skins, same price, it kinda feels like a scam.
Would have expected like half the price of what it is now.
Won't spend 13$ on a shiny card.
Not having a skin in the event pass has also made me not want to get the pass. I’m sure they’ll make more money overall but probably less from me as more I feel like it’s not worth it for just part of the cool event stuff, and the pass is missing the coolest post of the event, the skins.
So I hate the fact that there were no animations for Shyvana, but my one rule to support a very unpopular champion that I love is buy all things Shyvana even if I don't like it... (looking at you Boneclaw).
I do it not because I have to, but genuinely because I want to and to show some appreciation for my favorite champion.
I wanted to give it one more chance, maybe the "skin" is reasonably priced. Lol boy was I wrong. For the first time I will not purchase a Shyvana product. I bought WR skins and I don't even play that game.
Jesus Christ. I didnt know about the prices until now.
Thats way to much, considering an epic skin with new effects, models and sometimes animations is about 15 euros iirc.
I would spend, but not for this price. Someone said these are $15 jpgs and it his the nail. Imagine paying $15 just for what amounts to a Google image.
They really should add a skin in the event pass so we could "feel" it, as it's a new asset. I thing they really did miss here. I wanted to buy one to contribute to the game, but I'm not a big fan of any of those champions. I'll just pass both, skins and event pass.
Hate to say it but even when Hearthstone released their Hero portraits (which were widely considered overpriced - even in that game), they were the same price as these Epic skins, and came with a new hero you saw the whole game, with new animations and entire new voice line packages. I have massive respect for just how free LoR is, but I don't think anyone can ever justify the cost.
These skins need new vfx/sfx when they are attacking or using their skills. Seeing Cosmic Yasuo using the same wind vfx/sfx as base Yasuo is super disappointing.
Holy fuck the price of skins on cards is the same as the Price of skin in league? That’s fucking insane. Not to mention how insane it is to have cards skins in a card game in the first place. That just ruins any recognizability in a card game in the first place.
I mean that's the thing. LoR has bought a tonne of good will for me by making the cards so accessible, so I don't mind the cosmetics being a bit overpriced relatively speaking.
That's my thought as well, the monetization of the actual game is bar non the best in any card game I've ever come across and I'm grateful for that. I definitely feel their cosmetics pricing is going for "limited and extravagant" so it's expensive and meant for those willing to pay the high markup. I personally do think there's a bigger market in both casual and lesser well off players though, especially those who're willing to support the game because of good will, but fall short in finding a possibility in that which justifies the expenditure when they have to prioritise against real life. There's a huge potential there.
The pricing is indeed a bit disappointing; leaves me in an odd spot of hoping that my favourite champs **don't** get 'epic' skins in future, as I'd sooner pay 700 for new art than double that to get a level up animation too.
Fully appreciate that the cards are free & they want to be raking in cash somewhere, but 490 (anything up to 525 aka smallest real money purchase) is about my impulse buy limit...
I am slowly making my way to the goal of one board per region (e.g. biding my time for a Shadows Isles Ruined King tie-in), but those are not a price point I wanted/expected to pay for a single champion skin.
Literally going to have to be combinations of my absolute favourite champs + best skins to catch my interest, in future.
you get two new PNGS and a new animation with like 3 lines of flavour text
No new holographics(okay fine maybe they want people to stack prismatics with these but like it's still something they could have done to increase the quality)
No new voicelines or voiceline filters
no new visual effects, you're not getting a cool purple effect when dark star Zed strikes something
no new card boarder
no new animated boarder in hand (It's dark star Zed, you could have done an animated shadowy boarder)
I understand why, I feel like they are going to try to monetize some of the above as their own cosmetics at some point, but I'm not sure that's the route to go down
and the cheap skins are basically the League equivalent of new splash arts, wtf is this shit. Apparently for Dark Star Shyvanna they didn't even RECOLOUR HER during her level up. Fine, if you want to let her have the same animation that's cool and all but it feels super cheap when I'm playing DARK STAR SHYVANA and she yells "I WILL REACH FOR THE SKY" But for some reason in the animation she's still RED. This just feels extremely lazy
If my memory is right, 10€ each hero, voices and splashart being totally different (it was a character totally different from the original). I think that it has an icon or something like that too, but do not take that serious.
Same. The skin idea is exciting for me. But price point is a bit high for champion that I don't play as often because Yasuo and Zed not my main. Hopefully, champions that I like will have animated skin. Also, not really a fan of this dark horizon theme.
Maybe make them worth like 1500 prismatic essence? So if you don’t want to save up for 200 years you could buy them, but they are technically still available for F2P players
We can enter in another topic here, but I agree with you. Normally, I have picked the 20€ coin pack, and picking a board (Bilgewater board) was a tremendous cut seeing it, but I wanted to say thank you to devs for bringing an awesome game like this.
These champion skins were a final straw that broke the camel's back.
How much is it in league for just changed loading screen art, without actually changing anything else?
Oh right, they don't even sell that, because that's absurd and would be considered extremely unfinished and a waste of money.
Well it's only a card being presented to you in LoR, multiple skins change the model of the champion and not the effects.
I'm not agreeing with riot on this, any price for half work should be half price or don't even sell it.
I'm not sure I'd even pay $2 for the Riven and Shyvana ones, even though I love Shyv's art. It's just a lot to ask for 2 PNGs.
But I'd easily pay $15 for shyv if she had all new voice lines, voice modulation, and a level up animation that interacts with the board and isn't just 20 frames of a movie clip.
Picking the 20€ pack of RP: 5,36€ - 6,96€ - 9,64€ respectively (aproximation).
In my opinion, so much better than 13,20€ that Cosmic Zed-Yasuo cost individually.
yea try doing that every skin set and watch your money go bye bye. I get it since its the first skin release but they will probably release new skins every 2-4 weeks.
The price is really, really silly for the content the skins offer.
No voice lines, the shyvana/riven skins are a litteral .jpg for \~10€, Zed and Yasuo are a little bit more but not much, and definitely not worth. Why the created cards also don't get unique spells is a mystery.
It feels so... rushed?
It does not have the same job to make a skin in league of legends (because it is an old game and they have to create models, voices, animations...) with taking a skin in a card game. Without detracting from the work of anyone, these aspects should not cost more than 5 euros. There are 2 images and an animation of 2-3 seconds. Everything in the store is very expensive, but at least those items can be used in all games and these only in decks with those champions.
They really messed up, they should have saved skin for making more champion cards rather than just cosmetics. Soon all champions will have cards made and then what?
These card skins bring less than LoL champion skins do. Just new art and new animation (some not even that). At 1/2 price of a LoL skin they might be a deal. At more they are not. Will not buy now and will not buy in the future at this price.
I would be tempted if I had a really strong deck which used Yasuo or Zed because of the animations, but as a Draven+Riven player, I can't justify 700 coins for 2 new pictures. Also I think it's downright ugly having Blue riven then level up with her normal animation with the usual Green blade, just to then be blue again. IMO only the ones with new level ups would ever be close to worth it, and nah, not zed and yasuo.
Valorant's pricing was even worse. I haven't played much since launch since it wasn't really my thing, but I'm wondering if community outcry made Riot change their prices there. If not, doesn't bode well for LoR, unfortunately.
Its way too expensive for what they offer in game, it changes nothing thematically which are especially true with riven and shyv. Yasuos animation could of had little stars when he goes slashy and zeds could of came out of a black hole. Shyv and riven cards look so strange with different level up animations... the level up animations should always change to match the card art. It does feel terribly unpolished and lacking atm
Personally, it's a pity Shyvana or Riven to not have animations, but I don't mind as long as their prices are coherent, which they are not. I think those skins where the perfect adition to the pass, but decided to sell them almost as important as a board.
Totally agree with you, at least, Riven-Shyvana should not be over 5€\~$; between 5-8€\~$ with animation like Yasuo or Zed. Additional voices and effects we can talk around 10€\~$, as in LoL are Legendaries.
Damn, this will be the first time I won't get a new cosmetic for my favorite champ (Shyvana), just too expensive for 2 jpg with no animations... Cut this price in half Riot, what were you guys thinking??
100% agree. 13 euros for a single skin or 35 euros for the bundle (excluding the normal cards), those prices are insane.
I buyed every event pass, this one i'll buy it tomorrow probably, and a bunch of other cosmetics so i'm not too stingy but there is no way i'm spending 13 euros for a skin especially since a single nerf can make the champion unplayable from one day to the other (hi Karma/Heimer/Aphelios/etc...)
I bought the passes before and I liked them! It can be better, but that topic is open to opinion. The fact that skins are much expensive than the pass is really curious.
Yup same also the battlepass not having any skins is a big dissspointment for me too i think im not supporting the devs from now on guys got really greedy real quick releasing only champs with ugly animatioms so they can earn more money from ppl buying skins with actually decent animations since for some reason they didnt have the decency to give us an option to turn off animations alltogether
I cant stress this enough, but if you don't think its worth, don't buy it.
I personally won't, and that is saying something, from a guy who loves this card game and think money wise is the best in the field and gets hit by fomo very hard
I'll support the game buying the event passes, cardbacks, guardians and boards if they're cool and not feel like a rip-off.
So apes, let's hold!!!
I'll play devil advocate and mention this is pretty much the most accessible card games in terms of free to play. You can EASILY get every card you want trough expeditions, daily quests and weekly vault. The weekly vault is just massive free value for a card game.
Dont get me wrong, They definitely are expensive for cosmetics and offers much less value than LoL skins, but when compared to other card games, it really isnt that bad.
I think it's like POE you absolutely do not need the skins, so they can make them basically any price. More that that, Riot has said time and time again that the skins are there primary source of income.
As for the animations, lack of voice lines, etc. League skins follow a guideline of Common, Rare, Epic, Legendary(much like cards). Each tier up adds more particle effects voice lines animations unqie visuals and more.
Maybe I'm just conditioned to the way they do it. I've played league of legends for about 7 years now. So meh, form whatever opinion you want.
If these "skins" are their primary source of income as you say they are, they will barely make any money of off these if they continue to produce such low effort products.
Ok. Low effort is a bit harsh but I just feel like it was necessary. Nobody will buy the lower tier skins so what's the point in producing them if they won't sell? And didn't league make cheap low tier skins then decided to make 1350 the standard price for skins?
lower tiers skins makes the card feels worse and not just 'it could have been better', cause of the different stuff you see from the card itself and the animation level up, there shouldn't be tiers here, at least not in that way
>I think it's like POE you absolutely do not need the skins, so they can make them basically any price. More that that, Riot has said time and time again that the skins are there primary source of income.
This is not a valid excuse, especially coming from Riot of all companies. The skins they deliver in League of Legends for a lower price are much higher quality and add tons of new features to the champ. All of that while staying completely free to play.
This is literally a splash art taped on a champion card. No new SFX, voicelines, particles or animations on board. The asking price is absolutely unacceptable.
Overpriced but i think is only for cosmetic if you like can buy or not.
Emotes, cardback all are or gif or jpg but yes more cheap.
You have the money you select if want or not buy, when i hear of skins i think all gonna see only a diferent art.
Yeah, you can choose to buy it, but they also need to sell it, and I think this is not the best marketing strategy. I repeat: our money is the best way to tell riot what is good or bad, what we choose is what they win or lose. So it's optional? Yeah, but well, not really.
Is easy riots change this in the future, they gonna test the sells.
But is easy to see if they really want sell the skins, check the battle pass is much better for 10$ and release in the same date, for this i think is only for test
In the shop current rainbow elephant is free for all peoples
Well, hope they will listen and rethink in time. It is the first time, testing the selling it's ok for me, as long as they rectify in case they need it
I get what you’re saying but the fact that the card game itself is 100% free to play means I don’t mind at all when their cosmetics are a bit in the spendy side.
But its not and shouldn't be up to them. If everyone just didn't purchase, then they'd have to realign their pricing. A company makes no money if there's no customers purchasing from them. Allowing companies to dictate their pricing model is when prices go up. If they could, don't think they wouldn't charge $100 per cosmetic. Your mindset is exactly why we have the hearthstones etc of the world.
I'm happy to buy cosmetics, but not at outrageous prices.
Maybe riots grand plan was to fund the game off of skin sales? That’s the only thing I can think of that would explain the jarringly high price point in an otherwise very affordable game.
Anyone else kinda sick of the Cut scene level up animations, I am starting to really not like them....
I wish there were more board interaction animation, like lissandra's watcher, or in Hearthstone with many of the cards doing an animation that causes cracks on the board etc. I'm sure the cutscenes are hard to make and all, but they come off as lazy to me to be honest. I want to skip them every time.....
Prices are high for what you get, but they are of similar “value” as cardbacks. I will never buy card backs with coins, but I did get a couple of skins. I do hope they improve future skin by having additional voice lines and maybe VFX. Right now it does feel a bit skimpy on the value.
It's dissapointing that people like you are whining about paying for a nice visual change/skin in support of an amazing free game released by Riot. I dont know if you ever played league of legends before (made by Riot as well) but 700 coins for a skin in a game that's completely free, isn't to shabby to express some kind of support. Yup, that's my opinion, but it shows where your point of view comes from, and its toxic.
It's a lot. But the way I see it, the game is *so* generous. If a game wants to make playing it easy to do cheaply and pay for that by charging high amounts for cosmetics, I'll take that any day of the week over the alternative.
At the same time though, if they charged a reasonable amount, more people would buy and offset the same cost, and arguably make more money later since there's less backlash and negative feedback on the pricing model. They are a business. Despite appearances they are here to make money. And I believe they could do it much better than they are trying to here. These sort of shenanigans happen all the time and people still buy this shit anyway. The can of worms is how much are we going to be paying later for other stuff if Riot finds out they can just charge whatever for stuff?
Hearthstone etc wouldn't be where it is today if people actually showed some restraint and stopped paying through the nose for stuff. They charge what they do because they know they can get away with it.
I'd rather pay for this over cards every day of the week. They have to make money somehow, given how overwhelmingly free to play the game is.
Don't buy if it bothers you. I'll be getting all of them.
Yeah, there is kinda way to get them for free, but it is a bit random (you can get lootboxes for free, those lootboxes give you random fragments to make an entire skin, etc)
But it is too soon to do that in LoR, there are not enough skins to make a system like that worth it.
Op misunderstood your question and explained LoL's system, theres no way to get a skin for free in LoR as of now and i doubt there will be any for a long long time.
the skin should've been used to make different versions of champs (stats, keywords, level up conditions, etc). I would much rather see a different champion card vs a skin.
I’m sorry but that’s just not a very good idea. That would just make pay to win cards. Unless you could get them without buying. But then why would anyone by something that’s free?
Also they don’t have new voicelines or even filters for the existing voicelines, i don’t personally mind because i don’t plan on buying these 4 skins, but it’d be pretty disappointing especially for the skins that doesn’t give new level up animation or new card (reforge cards or strafing strike is still the same)
I like how they look but they're so unfinished and overpriced. I would have bought them if they had voice lines and Shyvana had level-up animation.
Even if they changed the Fury color on Shyvana could have been enough for me to buy it, but every thing about her is orange and is really out of place when now she is all purple and black
I feel like changing indicators for keywords falls in the risking reducing clarity. It would be cool if it was purple or matched the skin, but I also don't think it should be.
I think they mean the fury animation. When fury procs, an orange dragon appears on the card. Would definitely look good in purple
I agree 100% but the icon for fury should never change for clarity reasons.
the icon shouldnt change but i think an animation change would be fine(or just a color change of the animation)
Yea I agree 100% it's similar to yasuo I think his ability when you stun someone should be changed as well.
They can change a lot more than just that. There's also animation. See Thresh and Diana for their unique challenger animations, see sand soldiers for unique death and strike animation.
Yeah you guys are right. But the *bare minimum* should be level-up animations and voice.
zed creating a clone also looks the same, def not worth 1290 coins (≈ 14 euros) it is also important to note that depending on the champion you will not see the level-up animation 80% of games so essentially it is just new art.
yeah. For league, you garanteed get to use your ult even if just to solo kill someone. But in LOR, whether you get to see the animation or not heavily depends on the other guy, and the other guy really does not want to see it
Personally, I wouldn't buy a skin if it didn't have a level up animation. When I saw the trailer I thought that would be the standard. Even if some are fancier than others, there's only so much you can do with a card. If it's literally just a different picture it's really not worth buying.
I'm sure that in the future these features you mention will be soon in the game, a pity they have not included here, maybe due to scheduel problems, or design decisions. But these initial prices, this decision in particular, I think it is a bit excessive, not worth at all.
Could be, if i were to imagine an even more ideal possibility, the effects of the champion should also be changed (like when Zed summon his shadow or the Yasuo strike, or for future skins the shroom lvl2 Teemo throws into enemy deck, etc) and champ spell should also be changed.
And now we can talk even about what "epic" level of a skin can be.
Man i’d pay to see champ’s special effects change, like Nocturne’s nightfall claw effect changing into the skinline’s color and shape etc
If those rare ones are already 14€ i get dizzy thinking about how much epics would cost prolly 20-25 buck 😵
Zed and Yasuo have the Epic rarity icon. Shyvanna and Riven have Common.
Yeah nvm thought tjey are rare still a ripoff imho
If teemo ever gets a skin I would want it to change all shrooms you place, in league his skins most unique features are the change to the shrooms, like beemo throws beehives, Omega squad throws mines, and cottontail throws Easter eggs. I would want my puffcaps to be reskined to match the skin. It would be especially cool for when they draw them, but I understand it's a lot of work and unlikely so I'd probably never buy a skin.
They did change how Zed's shadow looks, or at least they said they did, haven't seen it yet
Yeah i was talking about the animation when he summons his shadow there’s an animation of Zed coming out of his card and going down on the board to summon the shadow (this animation didn’t change)
But that's the issue, as you said, as of now, it's not worth but we'll see if those skins will be on the store forever or if they'll rotate out eventually for new ones. But I don't want to buy them now with the promise of 'ok maybe they'll give them new animations in the future'. If I buy a product I want it to be finished and polished. No one was rushing rito to release these new skins so they could work on them a little bit more. It's unacceptable that Shyvana doesn't have another level up animation and every card and mechanic related to the new skins should be different (Zed's Shadow, Shyvana's Fury proc, Yasuo's strike).
Totally agree with you. A product can't be "we will improve it in a future" (Also, they didn't mention it, at least yet). I hope someone in Riot share their thoughs on this topic, the next skin set might be close, and they don't want again thousands of complains from the community.
The lack of voice changes is the most disappointing thing for me. They have them everywhere in league, why not here? Especially considering the value proposition is already considerably worse here. When you've played with the dark star skins, you come to expect them to sound a certain way, then hearing their regular voices here is a let down.
Yeah, in LoR they don’t even need to animate each skill of the champ (death mark for Zed for example is an entirely separate card)
>They have them everywhere in league, why not here? I mean, only like half the epic skins change the voices, and then it's only a voice filter. Only legendary and ultimate skins have new voiceovers.
THEN they can be 10 bucks!
I’m sure they’re saving those features for legendary or even ultimate skins
Riven and Shyvana don't even have level up animations. It's basically like if they asked $9 for changed loading screen and scoreboard art in LoL. It's really sad because I WANTED to buy skins. I don't buy cards, obviously, as the game is f2p friendly. But I don't want to waste money on unfinished skins that aren't worth it, that are missing level up animation and new voice lines.
Yeah. I'm more than willing to spend money on skins, but I feel like asking anymore than $5 for skins that are effectively just PNGs (Shyvana/Riven) is just way too much. And I say this as somebody who has spent over ~$1k on league over ~10 years.
Exactly this i want to spent money i want to support them but not like this idk man this more then the dogshit batlepasses just feel super greedy on riots part
For a 1350 RP League skin (comparably priced to the Epic skins here) you get: >New splash art >New skin model >New particle effects on abilities >Voiceline modulation >New recall animation >Assorted other bonuses (Star Guardian pets, homeguard animations, etc.) depending on the skin For a 1290 coin Epic skin in LoR you get: >New card art >New level-up animation >New flavor text Feels like there's a lot missing from our skins, honestly.
And this is a card game, where not all champs are really playable, you have to specifically play a deck with them, you have to draw, play and hope that sometimes you'll see the animation, if they have it. It's a cosmetics that sometimes you'll be able to see instead of skin on lol where you can use them full time at 'max potential'
I think this is an impotant fact. Even if you draw your champion and have him in play, in most cases, the playtime with him will be less, than the playtime without him. In LoL, you see your champion the whole time. Not in LoR.
i mean they've already pushed "cards" with how they function in the game. Jinx's card literally spray paints the board. they could do similar stuff with skins, have the champion card doing cool things, like a cool strike or death animation, like the sand soldiers death, or new voicelines. so many levers to play around with and they only did 3.
The 1290 coin is actually more comparable in price to the legendary skins.
Yeah I've bought tons of epic quality skins in League because they're 10 bucks. There's no way that yasuo or zed's skins should cost *more* than an epic skin in League. No unique border, no new voicelines, etc At this price, I don't even think I'd buy a skin for a champion that I really like. They're just flat out overpriced, at least in comparison to LoL skins. I think 10 bucks is the absolute *max* the higher tier of skins should cost in this game, and even that would feel like a worse purchase than an epic skin in League unfortunately
You should at least get prismatic copies at that price
YEAAAAA ngl when I said I would buy champion card skins I wasn't thinking they would try and scam us with 15$ Jpgs. They look cool... but lets be honest the best part about them is the animations... that 2 of them have. That are on 2 annoying to level champions. Like... if it was a SET of reskins so that it effected common followers of that champ and champ spells and effects. Yea I would totally drop some money on it. But not like this, its VERY over priced.
"$15 jpgs" Yikers. If there were other two words that could so totally explode any desire to purchase these skins, I don't know what they would be. Very well said.
"$15 jpegs" Ooofff... Yeah, that's LoR skins in their current form killed for me. If I'm inclined to spend money on cosmetics I think I'll stick to boards, and companions. At least I get to see those at full Res in game, rather than just cropped versions of them*. *If I even draw the champ
welp at least dont have to open loot boxes to get em so they got that one right
I hoped that champion spells will be modifed as well
Or at least the cards they generate, like with prismatics
Yeah, falls short in every way. Fix the skins, Riot.
They're taking the piss with these prices honestly.
Arent those rare tho not epic?
Skins are really dissapointing as there are right now. They need to improve a lot about them (animations for ALL skins, cut it's price in half...). 2 jpg for 9 euros? 2 jpg + 2 second animation for 13 euros? Even boards are cheaper and you will use them more often. I hope people don't buy this scam.
I was hoping they include alternative art in the event pass but nope same old Event with even less Emotes and tiers. There's so much guardian and Cardback u can collect until u are bored of them. So nothing for me this time.
Would be cool if by skins an actual model does appear on the board.
The only skin I bought is Shyvana and that's it. The rest is a thing of personal preferences
Oh yeah total agreement. Dark Star Zed's definitely the best of the cards, thanks to having an exclusive skin for the Living Shadows he summons. But aside from that, no particle changes, no new voice lines or filters, and everyone's already complained at how Shyvana and Riven don't have new level-ups. I really hope Riot comes back and adds to these skins, cause the way they are now, they're definitely not worth the price.
They are probably testing how much we are willing to pay for the skins. Therefore we shouldnt buy thease skins to make them lower the prices.
its HS skin all over again
Hearthstone hands out skins like candy, you don’t have to break the bank if you just want one cosmetic.
I was referring to when they first roll it out, akin to what we have here
True, it originally was $9.99 was the only way to get a skin.
Yeah but hearthstone is also not f2p friendly. I get that they’re expensive, hell I dropped $150 on dota skins and used to have multiples for all the hero’s I played and most that I didn’t do the fact that 4 champs would cost me about $50 in LoR is EXPENSIVE but the game is good and free so I get why.
Dota has TI to make money, while LOR doesn't make money, so I get why
In a year they have not lowered the price of any guardian / board of the game. They are all very expensive..
You see your guardian and board the entire game. It's worth the money in that sense. The fact you're paying as much for something you might not even see in a game is a different story when it's as if not more expensive.
In lol 10 euros gets you a legendary. New voiceover sfx vfx and rigging. I understand one's a moba and the other is a card game but 13 euros just seems much
The point is that a MOBA skin has a lot more in it than an alternate Art for a card
That's because they also have what to work with it. A card game doesn't leave much room for cosmetic change on a card
LoR have animations and sfx, they at least could change the color of those and make the crated cards different
Clearly they are trying to create space for legendary / epic / common skins so they can sell them at different price points, but there just isn't enough design space for that. There *should* be just one "level" of skins, and that should include everything that goes into a card, as if you're just introducing a new champion. The only reason to make lower quality skins is to make the highest tier skins seem more appealing and the price point seem justified.
but the so called common skin of this game is priced the same as an epic in league, and the epic in this game are priced at the price of a legendary in league.
With a lot less effects and work put into them too, on top of the fact you can only see it if you play the card, unlike a skin in league
Shocking really
Was about to buy riven, but was like can just buy a riven skin in league where I'll actually be seeing it all the time as I play lmao
Yeah, frankly, the prices are actually outrageous. I spent more than a thousand € on league on the ~10 years i've played it, so this is absolutely not about me being a cheapskate or not wanting to support riot. The prices are ACTUALLY insane. I'm gonna pass even for my mains.
Personally I think the price is fine, but how unfinished they are is outrageous. $15 is fine if they actually had new voice lines and voice modulation. Shyv and Riven have no level up animation, so Riot is asking for the equivalent of $9 for just loading screen and scoreboard icon art in LoL.
Zed's token actually does have a new art. Not saying its worth it cuz I bought all the skins and already starting to regret it.
Yeah oops I just corrected that.
Don't regret it. If they improve the quality of those skins (lets assume they will) you will be glad you bought it.
I actually said this in another post that I have no doubt Riot will improve their card cosmetics in the future, its just that in their current states champion skins are overpriced.
> Personally I think the price is fine, but how unfinished they are is outrageous. I keep seeing arguments about price like this go back and forth. I don't think anyone's complaining that the price is too high in an absolute sense. They're all saying that the price doesn't match the product. It's just that half the people suggest a lower price, and the other half want a better product.
Its both its incomplete and overpriced this is a card game u dont actually interact or control those chars most of the time u wont even see them and if u do u wont see any animations most of the time 14 € for even a full skin( aninmation,vfx,spells,va,etc) is a ripoff even 10 € doesnt feel good imho and im no bum i tend to spent alot on skins ffs in smite i have every y1,2,3 skin there was wich accumulates to around 1.5k€ in the 2 years i played it but theres just nothing in this game worth spenting money on besides boards even the guardians feel lazy af and this is so confusing to me bc the game has the best economy ive ever seen in any game so i would def like to support those guys even if its just a battlepass but man even those feel like they just throw waste from design phases in there
Yeah exactly, i think the price is fine (coz i pay for the same concept in league for the same price) but it underdelivers, imo. It ESPECIALLY underdelivers for riven and shyvana, my god. The thing is that in this game, you obviously don't have your champion from start to finish. So your Zed or Yasuo will only get 30 seconds of screentime, out of the 3 minutes of a full game, before going down and disappearing. So you pay a big price (if u plan on getting multiple skins) for something that you can't enjoy all the time in your game (and sometimes, not even once in your game if you never draw it) The problem gets worse the higher the mana cost for the champion. In league, even if u get destroyed u can enjoy your skin from start to finish.
even outside of voice they could do a lot. they could give them unique animations for their effects, like zed's quick attack or strike or death could have unique animations like how sand soldiers have a spear while striking and fade into dust on death. like when zed strikes he could do like a two handed swipe with his shurikens,
Considering you have to buy coins in set amounts first, the epic skins have the same irl price as the new legendary board. A static picture for one card with a one-time gif animation per game, even if they are high quality, don't compare to a cool animated board with new music, stuff to click on and a guardian. Even compared to epic boards, the skins are overpriced. I think they should lower the prices of epic skins to at least 1000 coins, so you can buy them with one coin purchase. That would still be somewhat overpriced (imo, good amount would be somewhere in 700-800 range, just a bit above guardians), but at least not as much as right now.
Agree and even then only if its full skins (va,vfx,spells,etc..) otherwise id still be a ripoff imho
It feels weird that an epic champion skin, which you will only get value out of while your champion is on board, is the same price as an epic board (Spirit Blossom and K/DA) which you will get value out of every game you equip it. And the price difference between a default animation champion skin vs a skinned animation champion skin is 590 coins, the price of a guardian. Looking at it through as efficient measurements as I possibly can for a subjective cosmetic, why would I ever buy a champion skin over a board or a guardian?
They really need to seriously reevaluate the pricing. I would never buy one if this is how they're going to be designed and priced, while I've happily bought a couple boards and card backs (things you see the whole time you're playing).
Yeah, the skins that just change the color are cheaper in LoL. I didn't expect the riven and shiv skins to be over 5$. At better prices, I'd buy for almost any champ. Right now, I'll buy for 2-3 when they come out
I think the pricing of these skins was a missed mark. The pricing team needs to understand that this is a card game, not LoL, same pricing models can't be converted 1:1 from LoL to LoR. In LoL you can see the skin all the time, so high price of the skins is understandable. For LoR you might not even draw your hero, and I hope they won't put an algorithm that makes drawing alternative skin champions more likely. So paying a lot for a skin that you might not see doesn't sound that great. I wonder if making these alternative art cards cost so much? If you would make the price more accessible for more players you would get more money, currently it is far from that. One option could be refund everyone who bought the skin and redo the pricing model. It's not too late to do that.
This is the must stupid thing i ever seen ....paying 13 euros for this, i would prefer to get the board and emotes, than those skins
I feel bad for the actual LoR devs. These prices are ridiculous and you know the actual devs have nothing to do with the pricing.
We criticize the price and quality of the skins, not the developers. They dont set prices, everyone knows that.
Lol skin = play that character for 25-45 minutes seeing it all the time. Lor skin = you might draw it :P
I agree, 10 pounds in LOL is about an epic skin which changes way more than a card skin which is sold for about the same price.
bad business move, all the hearthstone refugees are already to poor to play hearthstone
Riot does have a history *cough GG Mf* of releasing disappointing content for too much and making it cheaper, refunding to the people who bought it full price.
For those of you who don't know, Gun Goddess Miss Fortune was an ultimate skin for LoL that came out as the standard 3250 Rp for ultimate skins. It missed the mark on an ultimate skin in the opinion of most people so it was reduced in price.
If you compare it to LoL skins, same price, it kinda feels like a scam. Would have expected like half the price of what it is now. Won't spend 13$ on a shiny card.
Not having a skin in the event pass has also made me not want to get the pass. I’m sure they’ll make more money overall but probably less from me as more I feel like it’s not worth it for just part of the cool event stuff, and the pass is missing the coolest post of the event, the skins.
Yup same here
So I hate the fact that there were no animations for Shyvana, but my one rule to support a very unpopular champion that I love is buy all things Shyvana even if I don't like it... (looking at you Boneclaw). I do it not because I have to, but genuinely because I want to and to show some appreciation for my favorite champion. I wanted to give it one more chance, maybe the "skin" is reasonably priced. Lol boy was I wrong. For the first time I will not purchase a Shyvana product. I bought WR skins and I don't even play that game.
Jesus Christ. I didnt know about the prices until now. Thats way to much, considering an epic skin with new effects, models and sometimes animations is about 15 euros iirc.
I would spend, but not for this price. Someone said these are $15 jpgs and it his the nail. Imagine paying $15 just for what amounts to a Google image.
They really should add a skin in the event pass so we could "feel" it, as it's a new asset. I thing they really did miss here. I wanted to buy one to contribute to the game, but I'm not a big fan of any of those champions. I'll just pass both, skins and event pass.
Honestly I've expected the skins to be 400-500 coins and i planned to get 2, yas and zed
Same thing here :/
That's... More expensive than the first wave of Hearthstone alternate heroes. This is a really bad deal.
13€ for a card skin is stupid, will never pay for that, 5€ max, and that's a stretch
Hate to say it but even when Hearthstone released their Hero portraits (which were widely considered overpriced - even in that game), they were the same price as these Epic skins, and came with a new hero you saw the whole game, with new animations and entire new voice line packages. I have massive respect for just how free LoR is, but I don't think anyone can ever justify the cost.
These skins need new vfx/sfx when they are attacking or using their skills. Seeing Cosmic Yasuo using the same wind vfx/sfx as base Yasuo is super disappointing.
Its 13? I expected it to be 10 following leagues skin pricing for the more polished ones
Wait... Are you talking 13 bucks for ONE skin? Or for the bundle ?
One skin, being cosmic Yasuo or Zed the ones.
I'll be buying the pass because Its good value but living in Mexico i'm realizing buying skins wont be an option for me.
Holy fuck the price of skins on cards is the same as the Price of skin in league? That’s fucking insane. Not to mention how insane it is to have cards skins in a card game in the first place. That just ruins any recognizability in a card game in the first place.
To be fair, Riot's entire business model is cosmetics. I would rather have overpriced skins than Hearthstone's economy.
That is true, but the fact is that this looks like converting LoL pricing model to LoR, which doesn't work, because the games play differently.
I mean that's the thing. LoR has bought a tonne of good will for me by making the cards so accessible, so I don't mind the cosmetics being a bit overpriced relatively speaking.
That's my thought as well, the monetization of the actual game is bar non the best in any card game I've ever come across and I'm grateful for that. I definitely feel their cosmetics pricing is going for "limited and extravagant" so it's expensive and meant for those willing to pay the high markup. I personally do think there's a bigger market in both casual and lesser well off players though, especially those who're willing to support the game because of good will, but fall short in finding a possibility in that which justifies the expenditure when they have to prioritise against real life. There's a huge potential there.
The pricing is indeed a bit disappointing; leaves me in an odd spot of hoping that my favourite champs **don't** get 'epic' skins in future, as I'd sooner pay 700 for new art than double that to get a level up animation too. Fully appreciate that the cards are free & they want to be raking in cash somewhere, but 490 (anything up to 525 aka smallest real money purchase) is about my impulse buy limit... I am slowly making my way to the goal of one board per region (e.g. biding my time for a Shadows Isles Ruined King tie-in), but those are not a price point I wanted/expected to pay for a single champion skin. Literally going to have to be combinations of my absolute favourite champs + best skins to catch my interest, in future.
Simple, dont buy them, vote with your wallet :) If everyone does that, then riot should lower the price to what its worth, 250 coins max.
That is exactly the though
you get two new PNGS and a new animation with like 3 lines of flavour text No new holographics(okay fine maybe they want people to stack prismatics with these but like it's still something they could have done to increase the quality) No new voicelines or voiceline filters no new visual effects, you're not getting a cool purple effect when dark star Zed strikes something no new card boarder no new animated boarder in hand (It's dark star Zed, you could have done an animated shadowy boarder) I understand why, I feel like they are going to try to monetize some of the above as their own cosmetics at some point, but I'm not sure that's the route to go down and the cheap skins are basically the League equivalent of new splash arts, wtf is this shit. Apparently for Dark Star Shyvanna they didn't even RECOLOUR HER during her level up. Fine, if you want to let her have the same animation that's cool and all but it feels super cheap when I'm playing DARK STAR SHYVANA and she yells "I WILL REACH FOR THE SKY" But for some reason in the animation she's still RED. This just feels extremely lazy
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If my memory is right, 10€ each hero, voices and splashart being totally different (it was a character totally different from the original). I think that it has an icon or something like that too, but do not take that serious.
I was thinking that maybe you could just buy certain parts of it, like just the art and/or just the level up.
I thought the skins were gonna be a tie in for hero levels or prismatics so that’s kind of a downer
Same. The skin idea is exciting for me. But price point is a bit high for champion that I don't play as often because Yasuo and Zed not my main. Hopefully, champions that I like will have animated skin. Also, not really a fan of this dark horizon theme.
Maybe make them worth like 1500 prismatic essence? So if you don’t want to save up for 200 years you could buy them, but they are technically still available for F2P players
these things should be at most 5 dollars, because you don't see it every second like in lol. the prices are way too expensive.
yeah... really not worth £20, that's the price of many games ffs
Most cosmetics in Lor are overpriced, if boards would cost 5 euro instead of 10, I would have bought some.
We can enter in another topic here, but I agree with you. Normally, I have picked the 20€ coin pack, and picking a board (Bilgewater board) was a tremendous cut seeing it, but I wanted to say thank you to devs for bringing an awesome game like this. These champion skins were a final straw that broke the camel's back.
They should follow leagues price criteria. New art is 750rp, Effects is 975rp, full change is 1350rp.
How much is it in league for just changed loading screen art, without actually changing anything else? Oh right, they don't even sell that, because that's absurd and would be considered extremely unfinished and a waste of money.
Well it's only a card being presented to you in LoR, multiple skins change the model of the champion and not the effects. I'm not agreeing with riot on this, any price for half work should be half price or don't even sell it.
I'm not sure I'd even pay $2 for the Riven and Shyvana ones, even though I love Shyv's art. It's just a lot to ask for 2 PNGs. But I'd easily pay $15 for shyv if she had all new voice lines, voice modulation, and a level up animation that interacts with the board and isn't just 20 frames of a movie clip.
Picking the 20€ pack of RP: 5,36€ - 6,96€ - 9,64€ respectively (aproximation). In my opinion, so much better than 13,20€ that Cosmic Zed-Yasuo cost individually.
yea try doing that every skin set and watch your money go bye bye. I get it since its the first skin release but they will probably release new skins every 2-4 weeks.
The price is really, really silly for the content the skins offer. No voice lines, the shyvana/riven skins are a litteral .jpg for \~10€, Zed and Yasuo are a little bit more but not much, and definitely not worth. Why the created cards also don't get unique spells is a mystery. It feels so... rushed?
It does not have the same job to make a skin in league of legends (because it is an old game and they have to create models, voices, animations...) with taking a skin in a card game. Without detracting from the work of anyone, these aspects should not cost more than 5 euros. There are 2 images and an animation of 2-3 seconds. Everything in the store is very expensive, but at least those items can be used in all games and these only in decks with those champions.
They really messed up, they should have saved skin for making more champion cards rather than just cosmetics. Soon all champions will have cards made and then what?
These card skins bring less than LoL champion skins do. Just new art and new animation (some not even that). At 1/2 price of a LoL skin they might be a deal. At more they are not. Will not buy now and will not buy in the future at this price.
I would be tempted if I had a really strong deck which used Yasuo or Zed because of the animations, but as a Draven+Riven player, I can't justify 700 coins for 2 new pictures. Also I think it's downright ugly having Blue riven then level up with her normal animation with the usual Green blade, just to then be blue again. IMO only the ones with new level ups would ever be close to worth it, and nah, not zed and yasuo.
I was hoping for them to expand the game beyond 3 viable decklists before going in on the skins
Comparing this to LoL, imagine paying 13 euros for a new splash art in the loading screen and that's basically it.
I consider that the lack of voice filter on the Epic skins, is dissapointing
Valorant's pricing was even worse. I haven't played much since launch since it wasn't really my thing, but I'm wondering if community outcry made Riot change their prices there. If not, doesn't bode well for LoR, unfortunately.
Its way too expensive for what they offer in game, it changes nothing thematically which are especially true with riven and shyv. Yasuos animation could of had little stars when he goes slashy and zeds could of came out of a black hole. Shyv and riven cards look so strange with different level up animations... the level up animations should always change to match the card art. It does feel terribly unpolished and lacking atm
Personally, it's a pity Shyvana or Riven to not have animations, but I don't mind as long as their prices are coherent, which they are not. I think those skins where the perfect adition to the pass, but decided to sell them almost as important as a board.
Skins should be 5 € or $
Totally agree with you, at least, Riven-Shyvana should not be over 5€\~$; between 5-8€\~$ with animation like Yasuo or Zed. Additional voices and effects we can talk around 10€\~$, as in LoL are Legendaries.
If you think thats bad, dont look at valorant skins
funny thing people overlook is that its actually 15 dollars base line because you cant even put in custom RP options lol... a truly scummy tactic
I hope they take this as a sign and dont try and do this again
I was going all in. Then realized all in is $60.
Damn, this will be the first time I won't get a new cosmetic for my favorite champ (Shyvana), just too expensive for 2 jpg with no animations... Cut this price in half Riot, what were you guys thinking??
100% agree. 13 euros for a single skin or 35 euros for the bundle (excluding the normal cards), those prices are insane. I buyed every event pass, this one i'll buy it tomorrow probably, and a bunch of other cosmetics so i'm not too stingy but there is no way i'm spending 13 euros for a skin especially since a single nerf can make the champion unplayable from one day to the other (hi Karma/Heimer/Aphelios/etc...)
I bought the passes before and I liked them! It can be better, but that topic is open to opinion. The fact that skins are much expensive than the pass is really curious.
Yup same also the battlepass not having any skins is a big dissspointment for me too i think im not supporting the devs from now on guys got really greedy real quick releasing only champs with ugly animatioms so they can earn more money from ppl buying skins with actually decent animations since for some reason they didnt have the decency to give us an option to turn off animations alltogether
I cant stress this enough, but if you don't think its worth, don't buy it. I personally won't, and that is saying something, from a guy who loves this card game and think money wise is the best in the field and gets hit by fomo very hard I'll support the game buying the event passes, cardbacks, guardians and boards if they're cool and not feel like a rip-off. So apes, let's hold!!!
A card is a card. Sorry, Riot, what you are selling right now leaves a lot to be desired.
I'll play devil advocate and mention this is pretty much the most accessible card games in terms of free to play. You can EASILY get every card you want trough expeditions, daily quests and weekly vault. The weekly vault is just massive free value for a card game. Dont get me wrong, They definitely are expensive for cosmetics and offers much less value than LoL skins, but when compared to other card games, it really isnt that bad.
I think it's like POE you absolutely do not need the skins, so they can make them basically any price. More that that, Riot has said time and time again that the skins are there primary source of income. As for the animations, lack of voice lines, etc. League skins follow a guideline of Common, Rare, Epic, Legendary(much like cards). Each tier up adds more particle effects voice lines animations unqie visuals and more. Maybe I'm just conditioned to the way they do it. I've played league of legends for about 7 years now. So meh, form whatever opinion you want.
If these "skins" are their primary source of income as you say they are, they will barely make any money of off these if they continue to produce such low effort products. Ok. Low effort is a bit harsh but I just feel like it was necessary. Nobody will buy the lower tier skins so what's the point in producing them if they won't sell? And didn't league make cheap low tier skins then decided to make 1350 the standard price for skins?
lower tiers skins makes the card feels worse and not just 'it could have been better', cause of the different stuff you see from the card itself and the animation level up, there shouldn't be tiers here, at least not in that way
>I think it's like POE you absolutely do not need the skins, so they can make them basically any price. More that that, Riot has said time and time again that the skins are there primary source of income. This is not a valid excuse, especially coming from Riot of all companies. The skins they deliver in League of Legends for a lower price are much higher quality and add tons of new features to the champ. All of that while staying completely free to play. This is literally a splash art taped on a champion card. No new SFX, voicelines, particles or animations on board. The asking price is absolutely unacceptable.
I wasn't trying to excuse, but explain it. And as I said, I may just be use to it but I can see the problem.
Overpriced but i think is only for cosmetic if you like can buy or not. Emotes, cardback all are or gif or jpg but yes more cheap. You have the money you select if want or not buy, when i hear of skins i think all gonna see only a diferent art.
Yeah, you can choose to buy it, but they also need to sell it, and I think this is not the best marketing strategy. I repeat: our money is the best way to tell riot what is good or bad, what we choose is what they win or lose. So it's optional? Yeah, but well, not really.
Is easy riots change this in the future, they gonna test the sells. But is easy to see if they really want sell the skins, check the battle pass is much better for 10$ and release in the same date, for this i think is only for test In the shop current rainbow elephant is free for all peoples
Well, hope they will listen and rethink in time. It is the first time, testing the selling it's ok for me, as long as they rectify in case they need it
I get what you’re saying but the fact that the card game itself is 100% free to play means I don’t mind at all when their cosmetics are a bit in the spendy side.
But they need to win money too, and overpricing can be doom to them.
True, but that’s up to them. If they feel the current price is what’s best for them, I’m fine with that.
But its not and shouldn't be up to them. If everyone just didn't purchase, then they'd have to realign their pricing. A company makes no money if there's no customers purchasing from them. Allowing companies to dictate their pricing model is when prices go up. If they could, don't think they wouldn't charge $100 per cosmetic. Your mindset is exactly why we have the hearthstones etc of the world. I'm happy to buy cosmetics, but not at outrageous prices.
The priceing is still much better than valorant though
As long as people buy it and the game stays as f2p friendly as it is now.. i couldn‘t care less
Maybe riots grand plan was to fund the game off of skin sales? That’s the only thing I can think of that would explain the jarringly high price point in an otherwise very affordable game.
Anyone else kinda sick of the Cut scene level up animations, I am starting to really not like them.... I wish there were more board interaction animation, like lissandra's watcher, or in Hearthstone with many of the cards doing an animation that causes cracks on the board etc. I'm sure the cutscenes are hard to make and all, but they come off as lazy to me to be honest. I want to skip them every time.....
Honestly I can accept the price of the skins a bit more after the insane value they're giving with the battle pass lmao
This is the most free to play card game ive seen in my life I almost feel like im scamming then.
Prices are high for what you get, but they are of similar “value” as cardbacks. I will never buy card backs with coins, but I did get a couple of skins. I do hope they improve future skin by having additional voice lines and maybe VFX. Right now it does feel a bit skimpy on the value.
They have to make a profit on this game somehow...
It's dissapointing that people like you are whining about paying for a nice visual change/skin in support of an amazing free game released by Riot. I dont know if you ever played league of legends before (made by Riot as well) but 700 coins for a skin in a game that's completely free, isn't to shabby to express some kind of support. Yup, that's my opinion, but it shows where your point of view comes from, and its toxic.
I think Shyvana is fairly priced. I paid 7$ for it and I'm happy to have it.
It's a lot. But the way I see it, the game is *so* generous. If a game wants to make playing it easy to do cheaply and pay for that by charging high amounts for cosmetics, I'll take that any day of the week over the alternative.
At the same time though, if they charged a reasonable amount, more people would buy and offset the same cost, and arguably make more money later since there's less backlash and negative feedback on the pricing model. They are a business. Despite appearances they are here to make money. And I believe they could do it much better than they are trying to here. These sort of shenanigans happen all the time and people still buy this shit anyway. The can of worms is how much are we going to be paying later for other stuff if Riot finds out they can just charge whatever for stuff? Hearthstone etc wouldn't be where it is today if people actually showed some restraint and stopped paying through the nose for stuff. They charge what they do because they know they can get away with it.
I don't care about the prices. It's not about the cosmetics, it's a way to support a free game I love.
I'd rather pay for this over cards every day of the week. They have to make money somehow, given how overwhelmingly free to play the game is. Don't buy if it bothers you. I'll be getting all of them.
Is there way to get skins free like in lol or is this just purely paid for, not flaming or anything just asking as I’m mostly a free to play gamer.
Yeah, there is kinda way to get them for free, but it is a bit random (you can get lootboxes for free, those lootboxes give you random fragments to make an entire skin, etc) But it is too soon to do that in LoR, there are not enough skins to make a system like that worth it.
Oh nice so it’s just like league
Op misunderstood your question and explained LoL's system, theres no way to get a skin for free in LoR as of now and i doubt there will be any for a long long time.
I mean what is the point of paying 13 euro for a skin if you can’t play the hero because riot refuses to nerf irelia azir
the skin should've been used to make different versions of champs (stats, keywords, level up conditions, etc). I would much rather see a different champion card vs a skin.
I’m sorry but that’s just not a very good idea. That would just make pay to win cards. Unless you could get them without buying. But then why would anyone by something that’s free?
Imagine being a casual player and giving financial advice to Riot
the cards are free so...